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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: peteonastick on October 25, 2018, 09:32:47 PM
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OK I'll start the thread.
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They stink. Should be a win since it's at home. But...
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Half their team is injured. Keys the leading rusher in the league out for the year, hip injury last week. His back up is out, 2 of three top receivers are not playing. And 3 starters on defense. UNI beat them 33-0, they are better than they have been, but chief is right, Indiana St is not good.
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Let MVG get healthy for next week and play the other QBs.
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Well let's win this one and then see what happens next. It certainly sounds do-able. I'll hang onto hope until L number 5.
Be safe and enjoy the game. The weather doesn't look great but what's new there?
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This defense absolutely sucks
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why have we not recruited a quarterback?
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offense is not any better than the defense
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offense is not any better than the defense
My god you are right. This is bad
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Indiana state has a horrible yet we cannot do anything against it. Seems like whenever we Face a very bad defense they seem to have there best defensive game against us. I believe it's time to clean house after this year
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Defense is worse. Can’t tackle
No spark. No emotion
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AD needs hold accountable for this as well. He hired Bo
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I would fire pelini now. A statement needs to be made.
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We used to beat the Sycamores like a drum every year. We have problems from lack of enough talent, game atmosphere, money to get quality coaches. The other night I watched GSU and Appy and they have moved up after having success at our level just like Boise, Marshall, Western Kentucky UCF, etc. The built their success to move up. How did we mess this up. Sad.
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I now know what it is like to be a Kent state football fan.....
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Complete embarrassment. And it's going to get worse. I had a lot of players want to leave after the end of season. What is that telling you? Coaching sucks
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With the first pick of the 2019 NFL draft the New York Giants select Ryan Boyle Quarterback Indiana St...Not really sure where to start in this game so I wont..Just thoroughly disgusted and sick to my stomach
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And mays just fumbled a snap on the 5 ish yard line which was returned for an ISU TD. What a comedy of errors
Should we give a freshman QB the start for the last 3 games to gain experience? With the new red shirt rule they’d still keep a year of eligibility right?
Seems like the only rational move. IMHO
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Chicken sh*t coaching. Fire this clown now. The entire coaching staff needs cleaned out. This team stinks. This program stinks. Embarrassing.
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Its no coincidence that whenever Pelini pulls one of his unsportsmanlike conduct penalties that the team quits playing. Its putting himself above the team--great trait for a football coach. Clear that he cant handle the challenges of coaching at this level. Some of you go to practices.Does the team really practice hard? Or does the effort reflect what happens on Saturdays?
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Once apathy sets in it is very difficult to turn things around. The program has been down a long time so there is no light at the end of the tunnel. It is troubling that this is what we are.
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It's always the players fault according to Bo....
BO GOTTA GO
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Chief that press conference was just incredible
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Chief that press conference was just incredible
He's about had it. He won't be back.
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I just watched it. Bo looked like a coach that knows he has lost his team. You can see he doesn’t know how to fix it or what to do. Pretty much said he will find people that want to play and that he would look at the freshman for that.
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He should find some new coaches while he's at it.
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I cannot believe that I sat in the rain to watch this fiasco. We were out played and out coached. This has to be the worse defensive secondary ever. Our players were poorly coached. Both OC and DC are way over their heads.
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And mays just fumbled a snap on the 5 ish yard line which was returned for an ISU TD. What a comedy of errors
Should we give a freshman QB the start for the last 3 games to gain experience? With the new red shirt rule they’d still keep a year of eligibility right?
Seems like the only rational move. IMHO
Correct you can play in 4 games and still RS.
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Does anyone know how many transfers are on the current roster and how many of them play a significant role on the team?
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Does anyone know how many transfers are on the current roster and how many of them play a significant role on the team?
Zach Farrar- Oklahoma-Best WR on the team but has been banged up and plays sparingly.
Jakkar Jackson- Central Michigan- Safety who came in late to star the season and plays now and then
Kierre Hawkins- Ohio State- Hurt
Justus Reed- Florida- Hurt
Chris Durkin- Virginia Tech- Plays now and then
VanGorder- Notre Dame- Starter
Charles Reeves- Pitt- Hasn't played in awhile, not sure if he's hurt or what
Charles Baldwin- Alabama/Kansas- Starter at RT
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There are several players on this roster who are wasting a scholarship to put it plain and simple. That's what Bo has created. He made this mess and now he can't get out of it and is only blaming the players. Arrogant azz hole. Needs a nice long look in the mirror.
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I am not sure but I think that it would be hard to play for Bo Pelini even if things were going well.
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I am not sure but I think that it would be hard to play for Bo Pelini even if things were going well.
Why do you think Nebraska wanted him gone even while he was winning 9-10 games a year? Strollo should have been gone years ago, but now he has godfather sweatervest there to protect him now
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“I’ve never been so disgusted in my whole life” - after Bo said that after Illinois state last year thought he’d turn the program around, but almost exactly 1 year to the date his team gave another disgusting performance and he said almost exactly the same thing... sigh.
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I am not sure but I think that it would be hard to play for Bo Pelini even if things were going well.
I heard from someone that a current player said Bo took the fun out of football at YSU
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After todays highlights its safe to say he has taken the fun out of watching YSU Football too!
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Mays fumbling three times on the same play and having it returned for a long TD is a perfect summation of the season.
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It would be nice if Bo took the podium yesterday and admitted that his offensive coordinator and defensive coordinators game plan was a collection of garbage. Last week Bo gave Donald D. a star award for coaching and said he's the best around
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It would be nice if Bo took the podium yesterday and admitted that his offensive coordinator and defensive coordinators game plan was a collection of garbage. Last week Bo gave Donald D. a star award for coaching and said he's the best around
As widely shared in the private industry..... If you did not recognize the right guy, you pissed off one person. If you recognize the wrong guy, you pissed off everyone.
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After todays highlights its safe to say he has taken the fun out of watching YSU Football too!
That's the worst part. I used to drive hundreds of miles to watch this team play. I looked forward to trips like that for MONTHS.
Yesterday I paused the game at half time and went outside for a couple hours. I had a pretty good feeling we would fade, and we did. The problem was I was already resigned to it, and worst of all its getting to the point where I wasn't even that upset.
I expect this kind of thing now. Its been normalized. I think I am going to see undisciplined play, and I do. I think I am going to see mistakes, and I do. I think I'm going to see our coach come unhinged on the sideline and I do.
I've been a fan for 28 years. I've been in that stadium in all kinds of weather, with some VERY small crowds, and watched some very bad teams. I've also seen some of the best football one could hope to see.
I'm to the point now where I can take it or leave it. And that should break my heart. But it doesn't, and I'm still trying to come to grips with why that is.
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Double ET that's a valid point!! Is it just me or can anyone else not see the proper adjustments being made in game and at halftime with this coaching staff? Boyle coming into this game was a very capable Qb throwing the ball..Did we just assume the sycamores would run all day? Bo should have put in Mays to start the second half..Not sure why O.C. let MVG sling the ball all over the place in the 3rd.. the running game was effective with Tevon and the sycamores could not stop it..seems like we get away with what works best on offense at times
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I tailgated 26 straight years. Gave more than my share of money. Built my fall around Penguins football. I moved last year and realized there is other things I could have done. We as supporters should have asked for accountability especially after the 90’s run. We didn’t capitalize on it and Penguin football has gone back to their traditional mediocrity. Sadly they have lost most of the fan base and I feel that the powers to be don’t care and don’t know what they are doing.
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I bet those verbal commits for next year are really excited to join such a vibrant program. Hahaha! Bo and the staff lost me last year. I haven't been to a game in two years and have ZERO plans to come back anytime soon. I will however attend some basketball games this year:) Winning and exciting play brings fans. Why would anybody want to sit in the cold and watch such an awful team?
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Haven't been to a game all year. Don't plan on it either as long as Bo and current staff are coaching. Why waste your money ?
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Bo has good relationships with his players. Not so much with administrators.
His problem is that he hired rookie coaches because we don't pay "Jack Squat" to the staff. You get what you pay for. We are getting what we deserve when it comes to coaching salaries
Sorry, but had to say it.
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If you do not win and get the support of boosters, alumni and the general public revenue will be down. This is not good for the athletic budget. When you let men's basketball and football become below average you are going to have money issues. Good results in basketball and football is also good PR for the university.
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If you do not win and get the support of boosters, alumni and the general public revenue will be down. This is not good for the athletic budget. When you let men's basketball and football become below average you are going to have money issues. Good results in basketball and football is also good PR for the university.
we should have .over up into the AAC if the MAC didnt want yo.
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If only there was a simple answer, obviously there are issues somewhere, talent, coaching, administration, I do not know.
Ironically withholding support whether it be money or presence at events only makes the whole situation worse and harder to recover from. Harder to impress recruits, less money for better coaches, pretty simple stuff.
Has to be a better more effective way to channel concerns and frustrations. Not even sure where to direct these efforts, athletic department, school administration, trustees or elsewhere?
Anyone know of a process?
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Is JT watching???????
Does he or Strollo have the balls to tell Bo to kick rocks and say see ya ?
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Is JT watching???????
Does he or Strollo have the balls to tell Bo to kick rocks and say see ya ?
Does he have the cajones to tell Strollo to kick rocks? He should have been gone years ago
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Bo has good relationships with his players. Not so much with administrators.
His problem is that he hired rookie coaches because we don't pay "Jack Squat" to the staff. You get what you pay for. We are getting what we deserve when it comes to coaching salaries
Sorry, but had to say it.
Power, these are the same salaries that coached us to a national championship game just a few years ago. They are right in the middle of the national average and slightly higher then North Dakota State and South Dakota state and the rest of the Missouri. That was part of the reason why Nic McKissic Luke joined the staff
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Bo has good relationships with his players. Not so much with administrators.
His problem is that he hired rookie coaches because we don't pay "Jack Squat" to the staff. You get what you pay for. We are getting what we deserve when it comes to coaching salaries
Sorry, but had to say it.
Power, these are the same salaries that coached us to a national championship game just a few years ago. They are right in the middle of the national average and slightly higher then North Dakota State and South Dakota state and the rest of the Missouri. That was part of the reason why Nic McKissic Luke joined the staff
I am not sure you are correct. We are paying only 60-70k for assistants a d Bo gave up some of his salary so he could pay his coordinators more (my understanding). You could be a truck driver and make more than the assistant coaches so why would anyone want to do it?
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YSU is an average FCS program at best, paying assistant coaches 60-70 K is reasonable. The goal for most of these coaches should be to prove yourself and then move on to be an FBS assistant or become a head coach.
That is part of working your way up the ladder in the coaching business. Pelini after the game on Saturday blamed everyone but himself and his staff. He is a joke as a head coaching, and our recruiting has been awful.
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I know he will never do it, but Bo should apologize for his post game conference at penguins playbook tonight(If he shows up) and J.T. and Strollo should demand that he does. Don't get me wrong players deserve corrective criticism at times but that was way overboard. This is the same kind of stuff that got him fired at Nebraska and it does nothing but give YSU a black eye. Everywhere you look on the internet RAW VIDEO BO PELINI!!
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YSU is an average FCS program at best, paying assistant coaches 60-70 K is reasonable. The goal for most of these coaches should be to prove yourself and then move on to be an FBS assistant or become a head coach.
That is part of working your way up the ladder in the coaching business. Pelini after the game on Saturday blamed everyone but himself and his staff. He is a joke as a head coaching, and our recruiting has been awful.
Saying he did not blame himself is simply not accurate. I just watched the presser and he did throw his name in as part of the blame. Believe me, I am not a fan of Bo but facts are facts.
Overall it’s a sad state of affairs right now all the way around.
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Some people on here are hitting this just to push an agenda. A few things:
1. We had only two fumbles in the game. one was the end-around drop (not sure which TB had the ball) and the other was by Mays. That was a terrible snap over his head. A few of you are just looking to spread hate for Mays because the team is performing better when he is brought in over VG. I could give a crap what you think of him, but this is obvious to anyone that watches the games. If you do not think Mays is the guy for 2019, that's fine, then lets get some frosh-blood in there. You cannot reinsert VG, as we did last weekend. as ISU is in an all-out blitz mode to stop Mays, VG does not stand a chance back there.
2. Why does the OC, stop the WR end-arounds once he inserts Mays, or brings VG back in? it is just killing both of them, especially VG as he is not an off-tackle runner.
3. Bo is this team's head-coach (until he wants to leave), you have to realize what he is working with:
-----As the HC for such a huge tradition as Nebraska, Bo's volunteers there where as good as any coach we have (less one). SO Bo can have issues and/or be only a fair coach and be successful for the Corn-huskers (2-3 losses). His coordinators there were great (compared to what you will find at the FCS level. When he came here, he had two tremendous coordinators (for the FCS level) in Carl and Shane. As with Nebraska, this took some heat off Bo. At our level half of the coaches are coming in with zero experience and many times even less talent. It is just as (if not more) important to keep solid staff than it is to recruit solid players. We do not have this at the higher end. I am not so sure that Bo is the capable of being a position coach, as most head-coaches are at this level.
4. Good question in the other thread about the bringing in of transfers. I feel that the transfers are fine, but in some cases they are not very good, even for I-AA/FCS. So this gives the young guys (we recruited and prep seniors) a false sense of security. They see these "so-so" guys from big programs that are not much better than they are ...and falsely feel they are playing at a big-time IA/FBS level. Here is proof. Avery Moss openly admitted that Derek Rivers was a better end than he (when Moss arrived at YSU), but he was smart enough to see that and stayed tight with Rivers and went in the NFL draft after improving his game.
5. The "state of Youngstown" is missing it's capitol. The Valley's HS's are not producing talent at a level anywhere near what is was in the 90's. Heck Heacock saw this is the early 2000's and cut way back on the local recruits. Sorry Bo, but it is no better now ...10-years later. On the contrary, it is 10-years worse.We have to find the best players available, no matter where they come from. Have a list of the top-10 at each position and work your way down. Then, once we develop our offensive and defensive identity (in terms of scheme). Then a coach can start looking for specific types of players ...just as coach Shane did with QB's and TB's. Heck that is all SDSU and NDSU do at this point is fill holes.
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Paying 70k is below average for a top tier FCS school. We say we are a top tier school with awesome facilities right. Again, like I said before we are trying to run a D1 program on a Dollar General budget.
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regarding 1AA comment regarding "The Valley's HS's are not producing talent at a level anywhere near what is was in the 90's." I took a quick look at OSU's roster. While they have a good representation from "NE Ohio" which includes Cleveland, I could find only 2 from what I would call the Mahoning Valley. Duarte, a SR TE from Poland and Kristan a SR P from Canfield That is, count it, ONE position player from the Valley. Good grief, they have 2 from Las Vegas and 4 from Powell OH (for any that are married, you'll know Powell as the home of the Polaris shipping center, but a very small community. of less than 12,000 people)
While I'm inclined to challenge blanket statements like 1AA's, the facts would seem to support him 100%. We'll have plenty of time to discuss this going forward, but I would be interested in theories of what is going on in HS football in the region. We have only DIII Canfield as a top seed in the playoffs this year. Pretty poor showing again.
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Given that Valley football is not what it used to be(doesnt matter why), the approach of the football program should be to hire assistants who have connections outside the Valley, instead of cronies.
One comment about Powell. It is indeed the location of Polaris, but using it as a hometown hides the fact that there numerous growing communities in and around it that have increasingly strong football programs. The town itself may have 12,000 people, but those kids are from the town in name only. THere is no Powell HS for example.
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Given that Valley football is not what it used to be(doesnt matter why), the approach of the football program should be to hire assistants who have connections outside the Valley, instead of cronies.
One comment about Powell. It is indeed the location of Polaris, but using it as a hometown hides the fact that there numerous growing communities in and around it that have increasingly strong football programs. The town itself may have 12,000 people, but those kids are from the town in name only. There is no Powell HS for example.
You seem to want to make Olentangy Liberty into some football juggernaut? It is almost exactly the size of Boardman or Austintown, and did make the playoffs as a 4 seed and a 7-4 record (Fitch is the valley's only D-1 qualifier as a 6th seed and a 8-2 record) OSU roster spots from Fitch and Boardman combined, 0 OLHS 4. Just doing my homework on 1AA's statement and found him 100% credible. I don't care about Powell football in the slightest.
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Talent in the area stinks. Yet Bo is still living in the late 80's/early 90's with the Mooney family.