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Once again the offense failed to live up to their end of the deal. Four 3 and outs with -2yards. Same pattern against any good defense. But actually it was worse because they really didn't do anything outside of Jodi Webbs big play in the 3rd.
Sickening. As bad as our punter is, and as bad as the special teams played, we still had a chance as long as the offense lives up to their end of the deal and once again they did not.
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NDSU came in here playing their best fb of the season--after beating WIU by 52 points last week it looked like we might be in for a real ass whooping--didn't happen--in spite of some costly errors we still went toe to toe with them--I'm rarely proud when we take a loss but I think we all know NDSU escaped with this one.We lost to Pitt by 1 score--NDSU by 3 pts and Nat'l Runner-Up Ill. State by 2pts.That tells me that we are not that far from being back in the upper echelon of the FCS.Although I don't believe in moral victories I'm extremely proud of how this team fought and never gave up.
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NDSU came in here playing their best fb of the season--after beating WIU by 52 points last week it looked like we might be in for a real a$$ whooping--didn't happen--in spite of some costly errors we still went toe to toe with them--I'm rarely proud when we take a loss but I think we all know NDSU escaped with this one.We lost to Pitt by 1 score--NDSU by 3 pts and Nat'l Runner-Up Ill. State by 2pts.That tells me that we are not that far from being back in the upper echelon of the FCS.Although I don't believe in moral victories I'm extremely proud of how this team fought and never gave up.
Great post..This is also the way I see it. I love the side of Bo with his agression but not to the point it hurts the team and he's running all over the field to search out official 's. It's getting to the point where my oldest daughter won't let me take my grandson unless he has ear muffs on..lol..I have know idea what the future holds for Bo at YSU..lets face it guys wins in the MVC are very hard to come by with know gurantee's. I just don't know if Bo would be willing to risk another season at the FCS level especially in this conference on his resume. But if he does stay it will tell alot about his desire to get the program turned around..We are playing good and I'm happy
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So let's see.
- We give up a 42-yard pass to the left side under the small scoreboard & the only reason NDSU had to wait one more play to score is because the player was down when he caught it.
- The very next series , #3 come back off of his man to cover a receiver that was already covered by#7 (or at least looked that way to me). This time we give up a TD pass for over 60-yards. The receive had no one near him.
- Oh ...and the series before both of these series we run another zone blitz, blow our coverage and give up an end-around left side that went all the way down to the 4-yard line ...subsequently moved back to the 11 & only resulted in a field goal.
So this 17-points that never should have happened, better blame the offensive coordinator.
But wait. NDSU moves into a typical i-formation and move up and down the field and scores twice on us. Gee ...this is the 4th time I have seen the Bison beat us with good old Tressel-ball. We were powerless to stop them, because we cannot tackle; but let's twice again call for the OC's head.
mmm ... was it once, maybe twice ...try door number 3 Jim that Jody Webb caught kick-offs within 1-foot (not yard) of the goal line ... AND HE NEVER EVEN SMELLED THE 20, LET ALONE THE 25 THAT IS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE BALL. Gee, let's not even think for a minute that you have to change your offense when you are starting at your own 10. Yet nooooo ...we will just blame the OC for not being aggressive in the shadow of his own end-zone on 2 of those occasions.
Gee what major blunder happened more than 3 times on special teams? How about the fact that we gave up mammoth returns 4 TIMES. yes 4 times we gave NDSU the ball well INSIDE YSU TERRITORY. It would have been 5 time, except they were pushed back to the 48 by an official's call.
So let's blame the OC for anything else? How about the fact that we could not tackle ...it was like watching the same defense that we had for the past 4 or 5 years. Put your shoulder down into it and hope the ball carrier miraculously tackles himself.
Now not to leave the offense untouched, we certainly could have went more aggressive, but that was really only one series. I thought the play-calling was quite aggressive. We saw that NDSU was dedicating themselves to going after Wells in Q3 and we were smart enough to take advantage of it. None the less, Ruiz was ineffective & although Wells had 2 nice throws dropped ...he tried to change-up the pace of the offense (the 2 delayed throws out into the flat, almost like some kind of long-distance option) and it failed. Davis also had a nice pass dropped, but he is far from a solid passer and his running off the left side was not wide enough in the second half, as NDSU brought in the ends and Davis had no vision. Yes running wide risked a 3-5 yard loss, but I would have tried it. Then again, I am talking as though we had time to redesign the offense in the middle of the game and also that our QB is an experience running back.
So go ahead an keep your blinders on in thinking that your offense coordinator is your only issue. The reality is ...he is your only hope for a solution. Throwing in a new coordinator will do nothing.
We had good design on O & D, but kept shooting ourselves in the foot all game. Special teams? Who knows?
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I watched NDSU practice that deep pass play in warm-ups. They ran it ten times with both Quarterbacks
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Lots of dropped passes yesterday. I kept telling myself that at least they're not turnovers.
4 straight 3 and outs to end the game. No drive. No burning clock with a lead. No scoring.
Sure seems like there are problems with the offense. Special teams also. Lots of work to be done in the offseason. The hype created by the BP hire is squandered. Need to actually win now to fill the seats....and not come close.
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Blame the defense all you want I-AA. That's typical since you have to defend your BFF Mongtomery....
THE OFFENSE DID NOT GET A 1ST DOWN THE LAST 4 DRIVES OF THE GAME UP 14 POINTS. NDSU started their last 3 drives at or around the 50 freaking yard line. Open your eyes, jesus god. Montgomery is a chump, folds like a lawn chair when the game is on the line. Get this guy out of Youngstown. I've seen enough!!!
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Blame the defense all you want I-AA. That's typical since you have to defend your BFF Mongtomery....
THE OFFENSE DID NOT GET A 1ST DOWN THE LAST 4 DRIVES OF THE GAME UP 14 POINTS. NDSU started their last 3 drives at or around the 50 freaking yard line. Open your eyes, jesus god. Montgomery is a chump, folds like a lawn chair when the game is on the line. Get this guy out of Youngstown. I've seen enough!!!
You can't keep putting the defense in a bad position time after time because you can't get a first down. How about the complete inept call where the back-up QB attempts a difficult pass on 3rd and 6 and he overthrows the guy by 5 yards. How about running the ball on every ******* first down. Stupid. The post was open all day. Their safeties were the weak point.
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I can not figure out what you all want the offense to do. One week you are asking for Ricky Davis because Hunter Wells sucks. You are begging to let Ricky throw the ball. When he does you complain that Hunter should have been in throwing it. You want Tressel ball but when we run the ball you complain. This was a hard fought game by both teams and the officials decided it. With all of our offensive line issues I am very impressed how the guys up front did yesterday! They played toe to toe with NDSU and those guys were huge!
We are a few plays away from being 8-2! Yesterday we had dropped passes, blown coverage and bad bad special team play and still had a chance to win at the end. Football is a team sport and this loss is on the team (coaches and players) They will bounce back because they have a lot more character than many of you on this board!
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I Agree with Penguin power the post was open all day. We could've thrown all day and it was the best Wells has thrown all season. For him to be on the sidelines for a whole series and have 3 straight running plays in a crucial situation requires a explanation
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Is Ed Puskas a Monty hater too? Or does he see the obvious?
http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/nov/15/cold-offense-hot-pelini-combine-to-hurt-/
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Ed clearly states "is it play calling or execution?" If #9 catches that long pass it is a TD and we are not having this conversation. However, there are a lot of plays in a football game and it is a team sport.
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I can not figure out what you all want the offense to do. One week you are asking for Ricky Davis because Hunter Wells sucks. You are begging to let Ricky throw the ball. When he does you complain that Hunter should have been in throwing it. You want Tressel ball but when we run the ball you complain. This was a hard fought game by both teams and the officials decided it. With all of our offensive line issues I am very impressed how the guys up front did yesterday! They played toe to toe with NDSU and those guys were huge!
We are a few plays away from being 8-2! Yesterday we had dropped passes, blown coverage and bad bad special team play and still had a chance to win at the end. Football is a team sport and this loss is on the team (coaches and players) They will bounce back because they have a lot more character than many of you on this board!
Great post!
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Ed clearly states "is it play calling or execution?" If #9 catches that long pass it is a TD and we are not having this conversation. However, there are a lot of plays in a football game and it is a team sport.
The title oft he article includes the words "cold offense....hurt YSU." Who runs the offense?
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What I want the offense to do is get a 1st down in 4 drives. It's pathetic that this man is able to keep his job. Time and time again we always blame the defense because of the late game meltdowns. Only a few of us point out that playing defense in college football is hard enough, but you cannot put your defense in absolutely terrible positions late in the game. To get shutout in the 4th quarter of close games is unacceptable
4th quarter of the Southern Illinois game- 0 Points (And we all know about the failed HB pass in OT)
4th quarter of the Western Illinois game- 0 Points (Just 3 points in the 3rd)
4th quarter of the NDSU game- 0 Points (No first downs in the last 4 drives)
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I am not going to argue back and forth with any of you on whose fault it was/is. Like I said before football is a team sport and it takes a team effort to win every game. It is so easy for all of you to say what you would or wouldn't do but have you ever taken a snap at quarterback? Have you ever had 40 seconds to decide in the crucial part of the game whether you are going to blitz or stay back in coverage? It is not as easy as it looks. This team is playing with a lot of heart and they have a leader and a coaching staff that they believe in. Good things are coming to them all.
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I can not figure out what you all want the offense to do. One week you are asking for Ricky Davis because Hunter Wells sucks. You are begging to let Ricky throw the ball. When he does you complain that Hunter should have been in throwing it. You want Tressel ball but when we run the ball you complain. This was a hard fought game by both teams and the officials decided it. With all of our offensive line issues I am very impressed how the guys up front did yesterday! They played toe to toe with NDSU and those guys were huge!
We are a few plays away from being 8-2! Yesterday we had dropped passes, blown coverage and bad bad special team play and still had a chance to win at the end. Football is a team sport and this loss is on the team (coaches and players) They will bounce back because they have a lot more character than many of you on this board!
I have never stated I want Ricky Davis. I want Hunter to use his progressions and I want to run smash mouth football. If they stack the box like then did, then open it up and throw it. As I stated before, the post was open all day long.
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penguin power - I didn't mean I don't know what you want. I know you have supported the decision to start Wells. I just meant if you go back and read all the posts there isn't a coach in America that could please this crew! Unless we were 10-0 😉
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penguin power - I didn't mean I don't know what you want. I know you have supported the decision to start Wells. I just meant if you go back and read all the posts there isn't a coach in America that could please this crew! Unless we were 10-0 😉
True and winning helps with agreement on the site. Btw who is coaching special teams? They suckedticated all day long.
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If #9 catches the ball and if we didn't have 3 poor punts back to back to back which gave the Bison great field position we probably had a win. Yesterday special teams killed us from running out the Kick offs and our Kickoff coverage was pathetic. I have said this many times JT said special teams are 1/3 of the game u win that you usually win.
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I'm sorry folks but NDSU sucks this year and it's not even close. They shouldn't have even been in that game if it wasn't for our horrible special teams and inept offense in the 4th quarter.
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What I want the offense to do is get a 1st down in 4 drives. It's pathetic that this man is able to keep his job. Time and time again we always blame the defense because of the late game meltdowns. Only a few of us point out that playing defense in college football is hard enough, but you cannot put your defense in absolutely terrible positions late in the game. To get shutout in the 4th quarter of close games is unacceptable
4th quarter of the Southern Illinois game- 0 Points (And we all know about the failed HB pass in OT)
4th quarter of the Western Illinois game- 0 Points (Just 3 points in the 3rd)
4th quarter of the NDSU game- 0 Points (No first downs in the last 4 drives)
Let's be realistic. The final drive does not count. Bo had 2 15-yard penalties and also a half-the-distance. We needed 46-yards for the 1st-down. Clearly not possible in the remaining time or distance. So why don't you post the same drive summaries for our opposition?
Please post the last 4 NDSU drives. Don't bother ...here you go:
1. Punt kick returned to the NDSU 48. after we sack them and a penalty, a fair QB (at best) hits a man wide open after our coverage drops off. What was it about 62-yards?
2. punt return to the YSU 39 ...NDSU field goal. I was very pleased with the D on that.
3. NDSU punts & then penalty takes us back to the 6-yard line. On that one we had the bad pass from Davis and it was his series. I thought it was smart call to leave Davis in, but furious we did not capitalize after we got one of only 2 stops in the second half. If you want to hang it on Montgomery, go ahead, it is his call and he should suffer the wrath. None the less ...a bomb down to the 2.5 yard line an subsequent NDSU score.
4. They go into a simple I-formation and ram it down our throats for a TD.
The point is, we needed a stop and/or a drive & we got neither. I am quite aware that we could not move the ball; but I am equally aware that we could not stop NDSU. The two of you refuse to see the latter.
PS: The SIU half-back call was probably too aggressive, but it had to be thrown by the back ...a bootleg would have been blown-up right out of the gate. Let's not forget the Webb had the 1st-down if he ran, but he chose to stick with the script. I do not blame him ...that is how they practiced it.
Also, Itavious is a great receiver, probably only his second drop, but amplified. Then again, he is a short distance guy; but I was screaming with joy when he got behind their zone & even more when Wells nailed the pass. Such a shock to his him drop one. Harvin still has my vote for Offensive POY.
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I'm sorry folks but NDSU sucks this year and it's not even close. They shouldn't have even been in that game if it wasn't for our horrible special teams and inept offense in the 4th quarter.
SUCKS? 9-2 with 2 losses on last second field goals. cmon dude.
Now, based on the last 4 years of extreme domination by NDSU, then yea, maybe this year "sucks" but ill take that "sucking" all day, every day dude.
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I'm referring to you sucking in terms of how good you have been in years past. I am also taking into consideration that you have a back up QB. You guys are having a bad year in terms of other years. YSU has a long way to go unfortunately.
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What I want the offense to do is get a 1st down in 4 drives. It's pathetic that this man is able to keep his job. Time and time again we always blame the defense because of the late game meltdowns. Only a few of us point out that playing defense in college football is hard enough, but you cannot put your defense in absolutely terrible positions late in the game. To get shutout in the 4th quarter of close games is unacceptable
4th quarter of the Southern Illinois game- 0 Points (And we all know about the failed HB pass in OT)
4th quarter of the Western Illinois game- 0 Points (Just 3 points in the 3rd)
4th quarter of the NDSU game- 0 Points (No first downs in the last 4 drives)
Let's be realistic. The final drive does not count. Bo had 2 15-yard penalties and also a half-the-distance. We needed 46-yards for the 1st-down. Clearly not possible in the remaining time or distance. So why don't you post the same drive summaries for our opposition?
Please post the last 4 NDSU drives. Don't bother ...here you go:
1. Punt kick returned to the NDSU 48. after we sack them and a penalty, a fair QB (at best) hits a man wide open after our coverage drops off. What was it about 62-yards?
2. punt return to the YSU 39 ...NDSU field goal. I was very pleased with the D on that.
3. NDSU punts & then penalty takes us back to the 6-yard line. On that one we had the bad pass from Davis and it was his series. I thought it was smart call to leave Davis in, but furious we did not capitalize after we got one of only 2 stops in the second half. If you want to hang it on Montgomery, go ahead, it is his call and he should suffer the wrath. None the less ...a bomb down to the 2.5 yard line an subsequent NDSU score.
4. They go into a simple I-formation and ram it down our throats for a TD.
The point is, we needed a stop and/or a drive & we got neither. I am quite aware that we could not move the ball; but I am equally aware that we could not stop NDSU. The two of you refuse to see the latter.
PS: The SIU half-back call was probably too aggressive, but it had to be thrown by the back ...a bootleg would have been blown-up right out of the gate. Let's not forget the Webb had the 1st-down if he ran, but he chose to stick with the script. I do not blame him ...that is how they practiced it.
Also, Itavious is a great receiver, probably only his second drop, but amplified. Then again, he is a short distance guy; but I was screaming with joy when he got behind their zone & even more when Wells nailed the pass. Such a shock to his him drop one. Harvin still has my vote for Offensive POY.
#3 on your list is where the "retard" in Montgomery kicked in and probably cost us the game. If you are going to pass the ball on a 3rd and 6 then you put your best QB in there. Hunter was having a good day too. The back-up QB missed the throw by 5 yards and the safeties were beaten once again. How about the play calls before the throw on that series? Run up the middle against a stacked box? Just stupid, especially when the deep and intermediate pass was open because the safeties were out position and were slow. The only time we threw the ball in first down was when we were backed up against our own end zone and that doesn't make any sense to me, but it is a tendency that the OC has and NDSU was ready for it.
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What I want the offense to do is get a 1st down in 4 drives. It's pathetic that this man is able to keep his job. Time and time again we always blame the defense because of the late game meltdowns. Only a few of us point out that playing defense in college football is hard enough, but you cannot put your defense in absolutely terrible positions late in the game. To get shutout in the 4th quarter of close games is unacceptable
4th quarter of the Southern Illinois game- 0 Points (And we all know about the failed HB pass in OT)
4th quarter of the Western Illinois game- 0 Points (Just 3 points in the 3rd)
4th quarter of the NDSU game- 0 Points (No first downs in the last 4 drives)
Let's be realistic. The final drive does not count. Bo had 2 15-yard penalties and also a half-the-distance. We needed 46-yards for the 1st-down. Clearly not possible in the remaining time or distance. So why don't you post the same drive summaries for our opposition?
Please post the last 4 NDSU drives. Don't bother ...here you go:
1. Punt kick returned to the NDSU 48. after we sack them and a penalty, a fair QB (at best) hits a man wide open after our coverage drops off. What was it about 62-yards?
2. punt return to the YSU 39 ...NDSU field goal. I was very pleased with the D on that.
3. NDSU punts & then penalty takes us back to the 6-yard line. On that one we had the bad pass from Davis and it was his series. I thought it was smart call to leave Davis in, but furious we did not capitalize after we got one of only 2 stops in the second half. If you want to hang it on Montgomery, go ahead, it is his call and he should suffer the wrath. None the less ...a bomb down to the 2.5 yard line an subsequent NDSU score.
4. They go into a simple I-formation and ram it down our throats for a TD.
The point is, we needed a stop and/or a drive & we got neither. I am quite aware that we could not move the ball; but I am equally aware that we could not stop NDSU. The two of you refuse to see the latter.
PS: The SIU half-back call was probably too aggressive, but it had to be thrown by the back ...a bootleg would have been blown-up right out of the gate. Let's not forget the Webb had the 1st-down if he ran, but he chose to stick with the script. I do not blame him ...that is how they practiced it.
Also, Itavious is a great receiver, probably only his second drop, but amplified. Then again, he is a short distance guy; but I was screaming with joy when he got behind their zone & even more when Wells nailed the pass. Such a shock to his him drop one. Harvin still has my vote for Offensive POY.
Defense was put in a horrible position, again our inept offense. Held NDSU to a FG on the 1 drive and then the obvious BS penalty which cost us. I understand the dropped pass was a game changer but how does this man keep getting a pass for his inept play calling late in games?
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No we had back-to-back passes bad/dropped ...both were excellent calls. Both were not typical Montgomery & both were game-changers. You just do not like the man and clearly there is nothing he could do short of convincing Tressel to come down and call the offense. I like smash-mouth as much as you do, but am not willing to lose what we have to get it. BTW ...why does the DC always get a pass from you? NDSU scored on 4 of their last 5 drives. Be fair. Tressel used the offense as an extension of the defense ...he could have cared less if we scored, just as long as we ate up clock ...a main reason we lost most regular-season games to good teams and never won the conference. What hurts is watching a team that clearly patterns themselves off of our old successful style ...be successful. Well NDSU had to break the mold to be us ...something JT would not have done, but Montgomery has. Besides JT's real success came when we ran option ...and a nice infusion by Montgomery.
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Dropped passes are part of the game it just seems like there has been tons more this year then years past. What I notice with other conference receivers is they go up for the ball and extend themselves for balls just off there finger tips. Know disrespect to our receivers but I just don't see that with ours
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Yet another year of 4th quarter offense ineptitude.
We will have a new OC next year...doesn't look like a happy sideline.
Monty can then move on to the hall of fame or whatever big-time FBS job you think he deserves.
If he didn't have a potential NFL Hall of Fame QB at Miami Ohio his "reign" there would have been even shorter.
I don't believe they ever won the MAC either, but I don't care enough to check.
Someone with way more time might want to check his teams 4th quarter output in the games they blew that cost them the MAC titles (I'm pretty confident this is true...if only based on the conference wins he has cost us).
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It would have been nice to get at least one win at home against the big 3 of the conference NDSU, SDSU, and Illinois St. All 3 return alot and will be better next season and we pick up Northern Iowa and have to go on the road. I have know idea what the future holds for Montgomery. He also went absolutely crazy on the officials. Something I wasn't used to seeing because he's always in the box. Changes are coming I just don't know where
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One thing for sure our conference is the best FCS conference in the country.