Running QBs

[AFGuin]

ive seen a few QBs YSU is targetting for next years class and a couple of them seem to be athletes/runners, and it got me thinking, has YSU ever had a real great dual threat qb?

[paladin]

Really ?  I'm only aware of the QB from Navarre Fairless who verbaled and I wouldn't call him dual threat. Who else ?

[Spiderlegs]

While Kurt Hess is no RGBIII, we might not be giving Hess enough credit here. His running of the option isn't elegant, but it is effective, and he isn't afraid the keep ball and make the yards himself at crucial moments in the game. Not many QBs can do this. If I were to fault his option performance, it would be his failure to use the pass to have a true triple-threat option (or perhaps Wolford's failure to make this prominent in the game plan).

Hess's highs and lows actually come in the passing game, where he is either brilliant (Illinois St.) or downright embarrassing (W. Illinois). His bad judgments are usually related to the passing side of the game, which many think is his strongest.

I realize we have an incoming freshman who is a dual threat in high school, but success at one level does not always translate into success at the next.

[penguinpower]

ive seen a few QBs YSU is targetting for next years class and a couple of them seem to be athletes/runners, and it got me thinking, has YSU ever had a real great dual threat qb?

Demond Tidwell

[ysuindy]

If you go to the media guide, Jeff Ryan holds the record for career rushing yards by a quarterback.  Yeah - I was surprised too.

Total plays / rush yards / pass yards / total yards

1998 Jeff Ryan 285 364 1,036 1,400
1999 Jeff Ryan 482 638 2,573 3,211
2000 Jeff Ryan 343 349 1,416 1,765
2001 Jeff Ryan 298 521 1,201 1,722

I would think of Ray Isaac as the best dual threat quarterback I saw at YSU.  Of course, with Tamron Smith and Darnell Clark running the ball, Isaac didn't have to run as much as he probably could have. 

Total plays / rush yards / pass yards / total yards

1989 Ray Isaac 409 462 1,642 2,104
1990 Ray Isaac 315 355 1,597 1,952
1991 Ray Isaac 381 471 1,383 1,854

Keith Snoddy was another QB who I seem to recall being a threat to run the ball.  Of course, that was long ago and my memory could be fuzzy.

1977 Keith Snoddy 243 290 832 1,122
1978 Keith Snoddy 328 463 1,332 1,795
1979 Keith Snoddy 316 349 1,623 1,972

Surprising to me, Tidwell did not have as many rushing yards as I thought

1996 Demond Tidwell 198 24 921 945
1997 Demond Tidwell 356 272 1,961 2,233

[AFGuin]

Really ?  I'm only aware of the QB from Navarre Fairless who verbaled and I wouldn't call him dual threat. Who else ?

well i mean the 2015 class as 2014 is this years class, i know they like the fitch kid and told him to work on his accuracy, same thing with the QB from Hudson who had an outstanding year last year and is off to a good start this year

Mitchell Guadagnis Soph stats (last year)
151-257 59%
2,060 Yards
26 TDs
6 Ints

84 Rush attempts
491 yards
3 TDs

this year Hudson is 8-0 but i cant find all his stats

[ysufan0505]

Really ?  I'm only aware of the QB from Navarre Fairless who verbaled and I wouldn't call him dual threat. Who else ?

What he said

[paladin]

I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned  anyone I see coming here.

[AFGuin]

I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned  anyone I see coming here.

again, try to keep up here, the 2014 class is this class, 2015 class isn't far off when its the next class.  we will probably end up with the hudson kid since he's a bit bigger then the kid from fitch and has more experiance starting and needs less polish

[ysufan0505]

I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned  anyone I see coming here.

again, try to keep up here, the 2014 class is this class, 2015 class isn't far off when its the next class.  we will probably end up with the hudson kid since he's a bit bigger then the kid from fitch and has more experiance starting and needs less polish

Are you talking about Harris from Fitch??

[HappyPenguin]

I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned  anyone I see coming here.

What's wrong with Ricky Davis (FR)? I'm asking because I've never seen him but he was highly thought of coming out of HS...why the doom and gloom what did you see?

[Train]

and WARGO for that mater..!!...

[paladin]

Your current back-up is Nania, a player they tried to convert to S this year. He was a Wing T QB in H.S. Can run and has good arm strength and some accuracy, but short and skill set not high. He is the best we have after Hess. Both Davis and Wargo show similar problems -- questionable accuracy, arm strength, trouble with reads and no play time. I'd rate Davis the better at this point. Neither is anywhere near ready  to play next year. Davis is red-shirted and Wargo was. Garry is as good as Wargo. I rate them

Hess
Nania
Davis
tie- Garry
      Wargo

Then we have a verbal from Navarre Fairless incoming next year. He'll need to be red-shirted and in serious need of a weight program. Arm is not strong and accuracy will be severely tested. Played at a weak level of play in H.S and speed of players  will hurt him badly  here .

Only Nania could be called a dual threat. None of the QBs have much speed and Hess was only pressed to play some option this  year with some play series Montgomery put in off the same actions _- the read option, jet and play action passes of the same action. Hess now runs a speed option, which is new, going straight down the line with pitch or keep option.

YSU has recruited a QB every year Wolf has been here. Most are not working  out. Hess was a holdover from the last coach. Seems they are trying to  recruit the best they can and try to develop them. Not working out well. Talent level here now is subpar, especially in the MVFC. The level of play will seriously drop next year when Hess is gone. I don't see a running QB here next year ( unless they use Nania) and Montgomery will be challenged to control the QB to a short , control pass game to minimize INTs, incompletions on longer balls and easier reads. I's also suspect YSU will not be as balanced and focus on a run game, using the pass only as a change up. The "productive" pass game ends this year and maybe for quite a  while till they get someone better than we currently have. THat is, unless they pull in a JUCO next year. That's one possibility. 

BTW, Davis was a one year QB at Fenwick  after transferring from Moeller where he didn't get to play. Wargo was also a one year QB after riding the bench until he was a Senior. Neither  was that highly  touted, only on message boards.  Ohio is heavily recruited and neither drew much interest. Same with the current verbal from Navarre. QB next year will be an adventure.     

[ysufan0505]

I say Davis and Nania are front runners for next year

[IAA Fan]

2,171 yards and 23 touchdowns in the air as a senior. He also rushed for 702 yards and another 12 touchdowns. He only played in 11-games as a senior or he would have easily been a 3,000-yarder, with about 1/3 coming on the ground. In a 3-year HS career (although only single-A) he through for over 4,500 yards and rushed for almost 1,100 yards.

Who is this player? He is your next starter.