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ive seen a few QBs YSU is targetting for next years class and a couple of them seem to be athletes/runners, and it got me thinking, has YSU ever had a real great dual threat qb?
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Really ? I'm only aware of the QB from Navarre Fairless who verbaled and I wouldn't call him dual threat. Who else ?
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While Kurt Hess is no RGBIII, we might not be giving Hess enough credit here. His running of the option isn't elegant, but it is effective, and he isn't afraid the keep ball and make the yards himself at crucial moments in the game. Not many QBs can do this. If I were to fault his option performance, it would be his failure to use the pass to have a true triple-threat option (or perhaps Wolford's failure to make this prominent in the game plan).
Hess's highs and lows actually come in the passing game, where he is either brilliant (Illinois St.) or downright embarrassing (W. Illinois). His bad judgments are usually related to the passing side of the game, which many think is his strongest.
I realize we have an incoming freshman who is a dual threat in high school, but success at one level does not always translate into success at the next.
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ive seen a few QBs YSU is targetting for next years class and a couple of them seem to be athletes/runners, and it got me thinking, has YSU ever had a real great dual threat qb?
Demond Tidwell
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If you go to the media guide, Jeff Ryan holds the record for career rushing yards by a quarterback. Yeah - I was surprised too.
Total plays / rush yards / pass yards / total yards
1998 Jeff Ryan 285 364 1,036 1,400
1999 Jeff Ryan 482 638 2,573 3,211
2000 Jeff Ryan 343 349 1,416 1,765
2001 Jeff Ryan 298 521 1,201 1,722
I would think of Ray Isaac as the best dual threat quarterback I saw at YSU. Of course, with Tamron Smith and Darnell Clark running the ball, Isaac didn't have to run as much as he probably could have.
Total plays / rush yards / pass yards / total yards
1989 Ray Isaac 409 462 1,642 2,104
1990 Ray Isaac 315 355 1,597 1,952
1991 Ray Isaac 381 471 1,383 1,854
Keith Snoddy was another QB who I seem to recall being a threat to run the ball. Of course, that was long ago and my memory could be fuzzy.
1977 Keith Snoddy 243 290 832 1,122
1978 Keith Snoddy 328 463 1,332 1,795
1979 Keith Snoddy 316 349 1,623 1,972
Surprising to me, Tidwell did not have as many rushing yards as I thought
1996 Demond Tidwell 198 24 921 945
1997 Demond Tidwell 356 272 1,961 2,233
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Really ? I'm only aware of the QB from Navarre Fairless who verbaled and I wouldn't call him dual threat. Who else ?
well i mean the 2015 class as 2014 is this years class, i know they like the fitch kid and told him to work on his accuracy, same thing with the QB from Hudson who had an outstanding year last year and is off to a good start this year
Mitchell Guadagnis Soph stats (last year)
151-257 59%
2,060 Yards
26 TDs
6 Ints
84 Rush attempts
491 yards
3 TDs
this year Hudson is 8-0 but i cant find all his stats
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Really ? I'm only aware of the QB from Navarre Fairless who verbaled and I wouldn't call him dual threat. Who else ?
What he said
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I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned anyone I see coming here.
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I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned anyone I see coming here.
again, try to keep up here, the 2014 class is this class, 2015 class isn't far off when its the next class. we will probably end up with the hudson kid since he's a bit bigger then the kid from fitch and has more experiance starting and needs less polish
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I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned anyone I see coming here.
again, try to keep up here, the 2014 class is this class, 2015 class isn't far off when its the next class. we will probably end up with the hudson kid since he's a bit bigger then the kid from fitch and has more experiance starting and needs less polish
Are you talking about Harris from Fitch??
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I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned anyone I see coming here.
What's wrong with Ricky Davis (FR)? I'm asking because I've never seen him but he was highly thought of coming out of HS...why the doom and gloom what did you see?
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and WARGO for that mater..!!...
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Your current back-up is Nania, a player they tried to convert to S this year. He was a Wing T QB in H.S. Can run and has good arm strength and some accuracy, but short and skill set not high. He is the best we have after Hess. Both Davis and Wargo show similar problems -- questionable accuracy, arm strength, trouble with reads and no play time. I'd rate Davis the better at this point. Neither is anywhere near ready to play next year. Davis is red-shirted and Wargo was. Garry is as good as Wargo. I rate them
Hess
Nania
Davis
tie- Garry
Wargo
Then we have a verbal from Navarre Fairless incoming next year. He'll need to be red-shirted and in serious need of a weight program. Arm is not strong and accuracy will be severely tested. Played at a weak level of play in H.S and speed of players will hurt him badly here .
Only Nania could be called a dual threat. None of the QBs have much speed and Hess was only pressed to play some option this year with some play series Montgomery put in off the same actions _- the read option, jet and play action passes of the same action. Hess now runs a speed option, which is new, going straight down the line with pitch or keep option.
YSU has recruited a QB every year Wolf has been here. Most are not working out. Hess was a holdover from the last coach. Seems they are trying to recruit the best they can and try to develop them. Not working out well. Talent level here now is subpar, especially in the MVFC. The level of play will seriously drop next year when Hess is gone. I don't see a running QB here next year ( unless they use Nania) and Montgomery will be challenged to control the QB to a short , control pass game to minimize INTs, incompletions on longer balls and easier reads. I's also suspect YSU will not be as balanced and focus on a run game, using the pass only as a change up. The "productive" pass game ends this year and maybe for quite a while till they get someone better than we currently have. THat is, unless they pull in a JUCO next year. That's one possibility.
BTW, Davis was a one year QB at Fenwick after transferring from Moeller where he didn't get to play. Wargo was also a one year QB after riding the bench until he was a Senior. Neither was that highly touted, only on message boards. Ohio is heavily recruited and neither drew much interest. Same with the current verbal from Navarre. QB next year will be an adventure.
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I say Davis and Nania are front runners for next year
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2,171 yards and 23 touchdowns in the air as a senior. He also rushed for 702 yards and another 12 touchdowns. He only played in 11-games as a senior or he would have easily been a 3,000-yarder, with about 1/3 coming on the ground. In a 3-year HS career (although only single-A) he through for over 4,500 yards and rushed for almost 1,100 yards.
Who is this player? He is your next starter.
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That would be Garry. A coaches son.
As I said, the drop off here will be extremely noticeable.
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That would be Garry. A coaches son.
As I said, the drop off here will be extremely noticeable.
Drop off is coming whoever the QB is
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Garry was a walk-on at BG. Pitt also talked to him about walking on. BG made a promise that if they liked his play, they would give him a scholly for his Soph. year. Never happened and he transferred here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLc76FF4DQM
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Need a JUCO. The QB that left the team in the spring threw a wrench in the plan.
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Pat Angle is the QB you are referring to...He has Ohio Northern out to a 6-2 start.....solid stats..
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Problem with bringing in a JUCO is can he learn Montgomery's offense quickly enough and take control of the offense?....
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Problem with bringing in a JUCO is can he learn Montgomery's offense quickly enough and take control of the offense?....
Hess learned quickly his sophomore year didn't he?
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ive seen a few QBs YSU is targetting for next years class and a couple of them seem to be athletes/runners, and it got me thinking, has YSU ever had a real great dual threat qb?
Tidwell was a good passer and an average runner--Zwick was there at the same time and was opposite--an average passer and great runner.
Demond Tidwell
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The last 2 times (02 and 08) we had to replace a 4 year starting QB it did not go well, but I feel better about it this time around with Coach M working with them.
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I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned anyone I see coming here.
again, try to keep up here, the 2014 class is this class, 2015 class isn't far off when its the next class. we will probably end up with the hudson kid since he's a bit bigger then the kid from fitch and has more experiance starting and needs less polish
Are you talking about Harris from Fitch??
Yes, YSU had coaches at the game, told him work on his accuracy and he's got an offer
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Your current back-up is Nania, a player they tried to convert to S this year. He was a Wing T QB in H.S. Can run and has good arm strength and some accuracy, but short and skill set not high. He is the best we have after Hess. Both Davis and Wargo show similar problems -- questionable accuracy, arm strength, trouble with reads and no play time. I'd rate Davis the better at this point. Neither is anywhere near ready to play next year. Davis is red-shirted and Wargo was. Garry is as good as Wargo. I rate them
Hess
Nania
Davis
tie- Garry
Wargo
Then we have a verbal from Navarre Fairless incoming next year. He'll need to be red-shirted and in serious need of a weight program. Arm is not strong and accuracy will be severely tested. Played at a weak level of play in H.S and speed of players will hurt him badly here .
Only Nania could be called a dual threat. None of the QBs have much speed and Hess was only pressed to play some option this year with some play series Montgomery put in off the same actions _- the read option, jet and play action passes of the same action. Hess now runs a speed option, which is new, going straight down the line with pitch or keep option.
YSU has recruited a QB every year Wolf has been here. Most are not working out. Hess was a holdover from the last coach. Seems they are trying to recruit the best they can and try to develop them. Not working out well. Talent level here now is subpar, especially in the MVFC. The level of play will seriously drop next year when Hess is gone. I don't see a running QB here next year ( unless they use Nania) and Montgomery will be challenged to control the QB to a short , control pass game to minimize INTs, incompletions on longer balls and easier reads. I's also suspect YSU will not be as balanced and focus on a run game, using the pass only as a change up. The "productive" pass game ends this year and maybe for quite a while till they get someone better than we currently have. THat is, unless they pull in a JUCO next year. That's one possibility.
BTW, Davis was a one year QB at Fenwick after transferring from Moeller where he didn't get to play. Wargo was also a one year QB after riding the bench until he was a Senior. Neither was that highly touted, only on message boards. Ohio is heavily recruited and neither drew much interest. Same with the current verbal from Navarre. QB next year will be an adventure.
you really couldn't be more wrong about Davis, kids highly talented and he's probably the most talked about back up HS QB i've ever heard of when he was a Moeller, he just never got a fair chance to win the starting varsity job. he was invited to the US AA camp when he was a sophmore which only invites 250 kids or something like that
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
AF.......... is that the best you got ? "most talked about backup" ? "didn't get a fair chance at Moeller" ? Coach at Moeller wasn't really trying to win ? You really are a legend in your own mind.
The truth will be known shortly.
Pass the popcorn.
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I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned anyone I see coming here.
again, try to keep up here, the 2014 class is this class, 2015 class isn't far off when its the next class. we will probably end up with the hudson kid since he's a bit bigger then the kid from fitch and has more experiance starting and needs less polish
Are you talking about Harris from Fitch??
Yes, YSU had coaches at the game, told him work on his accuracy and he's got an offer
I've seen him play a couple of times.... Great runner, passing is ehhh
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
AF.......... is that the best you got ? "most talked about backup" ? "didn't get a fair chance at Moeller" ? Coach at Moeller wasn't really trying to win ? You really are a legend in your own mind.
The truth will be known shortly.
Pass the popcorn.
well its more informed then your opinion. he was getting college looks as a backup, says it all dont ya think?
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I wasn't aware they were after any H.S. QB for this upcoming class ( 2014) other than the Navarre kid. But a JUCO would not surprise me. They are in trouble at QB next year as it stands now. 2015 is far off and you haven't mentioned anyone I see coming here.
again, try to keep up here, the 2014 class is this class, 2015 class isn't far off when its the next class. we will probably end up with the hudson kid since he's a bit bigger then the kid from fitch and has more experiance starting and needs less polish
Are you talking about Harris from Fitch??
Yes, YSU had coaches at the game, told him work on his accuracy and he's got an offer
I've seen him play a couple of times.... Great runner, passing is ehhh
he could also be brought in as a RB/WR/Athlete if QB doesnt work out too which could be a plan for him
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You guys are turning this into a HS thread. GoGUINS!! Until they are taking snaps for YSU ...
I think QB for at least the next 2-years is already here. 9 out of 10 QBs recruited are brought in for defense.
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and not to mention Ricky Davis was the #4 QB in FCS recruiting last year and #41 overall for be a starter for only one year
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/fcs-football/recruiting
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i think Garry will have a tough time holding off Davis, Garry also didnt seem like a very accurate passer in HS,i haven't seen him over 60% for any season which is a huge negative
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The player that I would like to see as quarterback next season is the guy that our coaches select, and thus the guy that the coaches feel gives us the best opportunity to win games. I could care less who that individual might be.
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The O for next year will change. We won't look like the same team. Run oriented. Passing game limited. New plays. Many of the old ones gone.
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Amen Wick
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That would be Garry. A coaches son.
As I said, the drop off here will be extremely noticeable.
Drop off is coming whoever the QB is
::) Yea god forbid the next guy win's championships not just break records ;)
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That would be Garry. A coaches son.
As I said, the drop off here will be extremely noticeable.
Drop off is coming whoever the QB is
::) Yea god forbid the next guy win's championships not just break records ;)
we haven't had a championship level defense with Hess, hard to put the blame on him
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That would be Garry. A coaches son.
As I said, the drop off here will be extremely noticeable.
Drop off is coming whoever the QB is
::) Yea god forbid the next guy win's championships not just break records ;)
Isaac, Brungard, and Tidwell wouldn't have won any championships the past three years with this team either.
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That would be Garry. A coaches son.
As I said, the drop off here will be extremely noticeable.
Drop off is coming whoever the QB is
::) Yea god forbid the next guy win's championships not just break records ;)
Isaac, Brungard, and Tidwell wouldn't have won any championships the past three years with this team either.
Maybe not a championship but playoffs ;D
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That would be Garry. A coaches son.
As I said, the drop off here will be extremely noticeable.
Drop off is coming whoever the QB is
::) Yea god forbid the next guy win's championships not just break records ;)
we haven't had a championship level defense with Hess, hard to put the blame on him
This team and this coaching staff is not about defense.. It's all about the unstoppable offense remember. Awesome QB and the world's greatest O coordinator we should just simply out score everybody right? ::)
But that was then this is now... I like our chances this year to go at least into round two of the playoff's if not deeper.
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That would be Garry. A coaches son.
As I said, the drop off here will be extremely noticeable.
Drop off is coming whoever the QB is
::) Yea god forbid the next guy win's championships not just break records ;)
we haven't had a championship level defense with Hess, hard to put the blame on him
This team and this coaching staff is not about defense.. It's all about the unstoppable offense remember. Awesome QB and the world's greatest O coordinator we should just simply out score everybody right? ::)
But that was then this is now... I like our chances this year to go at least into round two of the playoff's if not deeper.
the offense was good enough to win a championship, the defense has cost them the playoffs 2 years in a row, lets see if it happens a third time.