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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: A QUESTION

« on: September 21, 2011, 03:21:52 PM »

Her husband probably dragged her azz to the game.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: TSN Poll 9-19-2011

« on: September 20, 2011, 08:03:33 AM »

Very few sports writers have any grey matter and probably the reason they are sports writers.  They all drink eachother's kool aid too.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: ILS Post-Game

« on: September 18, 2011, 02:10:31 PM »

My wife thought he was Adam Sandler.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: ILS Post-Game

« on: September 18, 2011, 12:31:32 PM »

We will need to get better all around in order to have a shot at the conference title.  I enjoy watching the offense.  It can look like a well oiled machine at times.  It is really nice to watch us play without all of the penalties that we would have to endure in the past.

The coaching was a glaring difference between what I witnessed during the Ohio State Vs Miami game.  Someone hired Ray Finkel......I mean Luke Fickell.......and they looked inept in comparison to the level of execution the Penguins have displayed over the last 3 weeks.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: This weeks game

« on: September 15, 2011, 05:40:31 PM »

I think this is going to be a lower scoring battle.  Both defenses have been improved.  I think it is going to be something like 23-14 Penguins get the W

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Latest Top 25 Poll as of Sept. 12th

« on: September 12, 2011, 02:00:28 PM »

The Sports Network/Fathead.com FCS Top-25 College Football Poll
Team (First-place votes) Record Points Previous Rank
1. Georgia Southern Eagles (102)  2-0 3,622 2
2. Northern Iowa Panthers (16)  1-1 3,329 4
3. Appalachian State Mountaineers (10)  1-1 3,282 3
4. William & Mary Tribe (5)  1-1 3,048 5
5. Montana State Bobcats (2)  1-1 2,985 6
6. Richmond Spiders (9)  2-0 2,874 9
7. Delaware Blue Hens (1)  1-1 2,688 8
8. North Dakota State Bison (1)  2-0 2,553 11
9. Wofford Terriers  1-1 2,489 7
10. Eastern Washington Eagles (2)  0-2 2,218 1
11. New Hampshire Wildcats  1-1 2,202 13
12. Montana Grizzlies  1-1 1,913 15
13. James Madison Dukes  1-1 1,373 19
14. Chattanooga Mocs  1-1 1,349 23
15. Southern Illinois Salukis  1-1 1,289 17
16. Lehigh Mountain Hawks  1-1 1,222 14
17. Jacksonville State Gamecocks  1-1 1,147 10
18. Central Arkansas Bears  1-1 1,096 18
19. Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks  1-1 971 16
20. Sacramento State Hornets  1-1 959 11
21. Massachusetts Minutemen  1-0 897 21
22. Liberty Flames  1-1 714 24
23. McNeese State Cowboys  0-1 614 22
24. South Dakota Coyotes  1-1 603 NR
25. South Carolina State Bulldogs  1-1 555 NR
Others receiving votes: Southern Utah 289, Eastern Kentucky 224, Penn 199, Murray State 180, Sam Houston State 158, Villanova 128, Towson 116, Jackson State 106, Hampon 100, Youngstown State 98, Bethune-Cookman 62, Western Illinois 50, South Dakota State 45, Harvard 43, Old Dominion 34, Rhode Island 34, Grambling State 26, Maine 22, Morehead State 21, Stony Brook 19, Elon 16, Holy Cross 14, Brown 12, Yale 12, Coastal Carolina 11, Duquesne 10, Delaware State 10, Eastern Illinois 7, Indiana State 7, Georgetown 7, UC Davis 6, Portland State 6, The Citadel 6, Northern Arizona 5, Weber State 4, UT Martin 4, Central Connecticut State 4, Bucknell 3, Furman 3, Florida A&M 2, San Diego 2, Jacksonville 1, Dayton 1, Samford 1.
The Sports Network/Fathead.com FCS Top 25 Voters

The Sports Network: Aaron Corrill; Craig Haley; Sean Shapiro; Phil Sokol; Kevin Spiegel. Big Sky: Brian Berger; Brad Bugger; Dave Cook; Matt Gerrish; Paul Grua; Dave Guffey; Mick Holien; Jon Kasper; Heather Kennedy; Bill Lamberty; Jeff Lasky; Mike Lund; Scott Marsh; Fritz Neighbor; Steve Schaack; Steve Shaff; Mitch Strohman. Big South: John Avery; Wade Branner; Mike Cawood; Adam Gutes; Matt Hogue; Chris Lang; Marc Rabb; Mark Simpson; Todd Wetmore; Simon Whitaker; Alan York. CAA Football: Ted Alexander; Mike Barber; Pete Clawson; Mike DeGeorge; Glenn Frazer; Dean Kenefick; Allen Lessels; Andrew Mahoney; John Martin; Scott Meyer; Mike Murphy; Dan O'Connell; Rich Radford; Scott Selheimer; Tom Symonds; Kevin Tresolini; Matt Vautour; Kimberly Zivkovich. Great West: Eric Burdick; Ryan Burns; Jacque Cottrell; Neil Gardner; Ed Grom; Jeremy Hoeck; Doug Kelly; Ryan Powell; Randy Scovil; Kit Strief. Independents: Dave Cohen; Brian Fremund; Rick Poulter; Kyle Stephens. Ivy League: Rick Bender; Darlene Camacho; Eric Dolan; Chris Humm; Craig Larson; Dan Loney; Craig Sachson; Kurt Svoboda; Ron Vaccaro. MEAC: Thomas Grant; Leonard Hayes IV; Bill Hamilton; Ed Hill Jr.; Chris Hooks; Ronnie Johnson; Dennis Jones; Matt Michalec; Eric Moore; Patricia Porter; Dan Ryan; Michael Stambaugh; Maurice Williams; Brent Woronoff. Missouri Valley Football Conference: John Bohnenkamp; Jason Hove; Todd Hefferman; Ace Hunt; Mike Kern; Rick Kindhart; Colin McDonough; Tyler Merriam; Patrick Osterman; Trevor Parks; Randy Reinhardt; Jeff Schwartz; Tom Weber; Mike Williams; Terry Vandrovec. Northeast Conference: Brian DePasquale; Jim Duzyk; Matt Harmon; John McCarthy; Ben Mitchell; Bill Peterson; Andrew Santillo; Chris Shovlin; Jason Sullivan; Ralph Ventre; Greg Viscomi. Ohio Valley Conference: Neal Bradley; John Brush; Wallace Dooley; Michael Clark; Jeff Honza; Brad Kirtley; Joe Lofaro; Rich Moser: Brian Nielsen: Karl Park: Mike Parris: Rob Schabert: Kyle Schwartz: Greg Seitz: James Horne. Patriot League: Charles Bare; Bill Bowman; Joe DiBari; Matt Dougherty; Keith Groller; Jeremiah Hergott; Phil LaBella; Steve Lomangino; Eric Malanowski; Matt Markus; Ryan Sakamoto. Pioneer Football League: Cody Bush; Jack Cronin; Mike Ferraro; Marc Gignac; Ted Gosen; Doug Hauschild; Paul Kirk; James Nasella; Terry Norvelle; Joe Prisco; Matt Schabert; Ryan Wronkowicz. Southern Conference: Jay Blackman; Tommy Bowman; Mike Flynn; Barrett Gilham; Don Heath; David Jackson; Joey Mullins; Tyler Norris Goode; Noelle Orr-Blaney; Chris Rash; Brent Williamson. Southland Conference: Jason Barfield; Louis Bonnette; Jamie Bustos; Christopher Dabe; James Dixon; Steve East; Kevin Gore; Alex Hickey; Doug Ireland; Todd Lamb; Tyler Mayforth; Brent St. Germain; Matt Sullivan. Southwestern Athletic Conference: Santoria Black; Rodney Bush; Tom Galbraith; Chris Jones; Duane Lewis; Ryan McGinty; Leonard Moon; Roderick Mosley; Wesley Peterson; LaToya Shields; Brandon Willis. Other Representatives: Rolf Bertulies; Brian Brennan; Josh Buchanan; LeCounte Conaway; Jim Seman.
 
 

As of September 12, 2011, at 12:51 PM ET

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Early info on Valpo Football

« on: September 06, 2011, 09:24:59 PM »

NCAA FB
Valpo pressing on in face of adversity
Reid Forgrave

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Reid Forgrave has worked for the Des Moines Register, the Cincinnati Enquirer and the Seattle Times. His work has been recognized by Associated Press Sports Editors, the Livingston Awards for Young Journalists, and the American Association of Sunday and Feature Editors.

     
     
     
     
     
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Updated Sep 6, 2011 5:32 PM ET
VALPARAISO, Ind.

Sean McCarty hoists his 6-foot-6 frame up and over the chain-link fence enclosing Valparaiso University's football stadium, home of the worst team in Division I football.

The wide receiver walks past a field goal post that's slightly bent, past the empty sidelines, and sits in the front row of the bleachers, a new college football season just around the corner, a new semester having just begun, all of it filled with youth and innocence and the possibility of starting over.

Valpro Football

Outscored 514-100 last year, there's still an enduring spirit at Valpo.
Courtesy Valparaiso University

McCarty's eyes look toward the center of Brown Field, where a huge brown and gold Valparaiso Crusader logo is painted on the turf. Two groundskeepers are the only others in sight. In the stillness of morning, McCarty's mind goes back to mid-autumn the year before: the lowest point of a low season, the worst moment of his sporting life and the instant where he decided whether to return for a fifth year at Valpo and squeeze one more football season into his disappearing youth.

It was humiliating, McCarty recalls, that one game. Valpo's football team was already 0-6, struggling under a new head coach after winning only a single game the year before. Then Jacksonville University came to town, and everything went wrong. A punt was blocked and recovered in the end zone. An interception was returned for a touchdown, then another. Two and a half hours after opening kickoff, McCarty's team had lost, 86-7, and any optimism for a year that was supposed to be this struggling program's new beginning had vanished.

The team took a knee around their coach. Alumni and classmates had long since left the stands. McCarty's parents, who'd driven three hours to see their son's team get crushed, waited by the gate. The coach gave a short postgame pep talk, then players walked toward their locker room. McCarty could almost feel it: the moment when much of the team checked out.

McCarty lingered behind on the field that afternoon. He sat alone on top of the Crusader logo, and he wept.

Then he made his decision.

Yes, the 22-year-old would pay another $10,000 for one more fall semester's tuition and one more football season. He would return to a team that went 0-11 last year and finished 126th out of 126 teams in the FCS rankings. He wouldn't give up and put his love for football in the past. No. One more year, one more clean slate, one more chance to reinvent himself and this program.

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"I couldn't finish with that," McCarty says. "I couldn't give up there. I wanted to work to see this program turn around. It was easier to give up and walk away, but there's nothing like it, being part of a football team. And going through such tough times and being able to come back from it, it sets you up for the real world."

And really, whether you're playing for a team that's 0-11 or 11-0, who wouldn't take it — that opportunity to extend your youth just a little bit longer?

"Someone is going to have to tell me I can't play football anymore," McCarty says, and a few hours later, he's back on the field, wearing pads, catching quick slants, one more shot to make it right.

But why?

What is it about college football that brought Sean McCarty back after that embarrassing and painful season? Why did McCarty tell Target, which offered him a full-time managerial position after a summer internship, he would start the job only after one more season for a team that was outscored 514-100 last year?

Why were head coach Dale Carlson and his assistants able to travel the country — to Florida, to California, to Texas — and recruit a new freshman class, convincing them to pay private school tuition and play for a non-scholarship team that hasn't tasted winning in nearly two years?

The answers can be found all around the leafy campus of Valparaiso University, in a small town just outside the orbits of Chicago and Indianapolis, a place known more for being the home of Orville Redenbacher and an annual popcorn festival than for college football. The answers, you will find, lead you in a very different direction than you'd expect: Not toward the multi-billion dollar business that is big-time college football. Not toward the turmoil of scandal and conference realignment that's ruled the college football universe the past year. Not toward anything that even has to do with football, really.

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Instead, at a time when the best college football programs are bringing out the worst parts of the sport, one of the worst programs in college football can show us what's still good about this game — about how it teaches perseverance and commitment and holding your head high, even in the toughest of times.

Go past the signature campus landmark, which is not a giant football stadium, but instead the beautiful, humbling Chapel of the Resurrection. Go past students lazily tossing a football on the campus green. Walk into the president's office, with its fireplace and leather chairs and airs of higher education.

"These are extraordinary embarrassments for higher education, certainly embarrassments to the sport," Valparaiso president Mark A. Heckler said, talking not about wins and losses, but about recent scandals at schools like Ohio State and Miami. "What really bugs me about where all of that is going is that there are plenty of places like us who are doing a completely different thing ... We're trying to build young people of character. When they stop playing football, they've got a lot more of their lives."

The president thinks back to the year before. Yes, 0-11 was difficult. Players got teased on campus, and the coach counseled them to have a tough skin. Players quit. Opponents ran up the score. But when the football team had its senior banquet after the season, Heckler marveled at the players' reactions. They didn't speak of impressive victories or game-winning touchdowns, but of more important things: teamwork, brotherhood, solidarity and turning a year of seeming failures into something else.

"These particular years with the football program are really valuable because they're trying to rise up from real adversity," he says. "The guys who stuck that out, who saw people come and saw people go, who saw those who couldn't grasp the change or weren't up to the task, the ones that went through all of that transition and got to the other side, that's what life is."

Losing 86-7 one day, facing classmates and another grueling practice the next — that's a lesson more powerful than any lesson on partial differential equations or the finer points of theology.

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Head coach Dale Carlson (right): "Our young guys, we've been honest with them. We've told them what we're trying to do, that we need a commitment from them. And they want to be part of turning this around."
Courtesy Valparaiso University

More answers can be found inside the armory-like football building on the other end of campus. There, head coach Dale Carlson is drawing Xs and Os on a whiteboard, trying to figure out how his pass-happy spread offense can win their opener against a Division III team that beat Valpo 42-7 last year.

Carlson, you see, is an eternal optimist. He grew up on the north side of Chicago and attended hundreds of Cubs games as a kid, so he's well-versed in the hope that this year will be better than the last. Twice before, Carlson has started new football programs, at both a Division III and a Division II school. The Division II team, Carlson's most recent coaching position, began his tenure 1-15, but finished it 35-11, including an undefeated season.

His optimism was tested last year. A losing streak that currently stands at 20 games meant poisonous attitudes seeping into the locker room. Carlson counseled the team against joining the "fellowship of the miserable," but it didn't matter. Toward the end of last year, when the first thing went wrong during a game, you could feel a hopeless feeling take over the sidelines: Here we go again.

The season ended, and dozens of players who made up the Fellowship of the Miserable quit. Carlson didn't care. The 0-11 season was a test, and by quitting on teammates, those players failed.

"You gotta find a special kid to do that, who wants to be a part of rebuilding," Carlson says. "Our young guys, we've been honest with them. We've told them what we're trying to do, that we need a commitment from them. And they want to be part of turning this around."

At a place like Valpo, it's OK if that takes time. At places like Ohio State or Miami, though, winning — winning now — is paramount. And that, Carlson believes, explains a lot about the current state of tumult in college football.

"The problem with college athletics today is there's so much money at stake, so much pressure to win because of the money, that we've forgotten what we're here for," he says. "And, first and foremost, the reason the kids are here is to graduate."

But finally, down the street from Carlson's office, more than 100 young men are running pass routes and working out defensive schemes in the late summer sun. Here, all these high-minded platitudes — about how football builds strong young men of character, about how these non-scholarship athletes are here for the love of the game, about how college sports is really about academics — fall away, and a final truth is revealed ...

The Crusaders must win.

The young man who led the Football Championship Subdivision (previously known as Division I-AA) in punts per game last year booms punts. Carlson looms over a passing drill where garbage cans stand in for defenders. When the center snaps the ball over the quarterback's head twice in a row, Carlson screams at him and motions for a new center. Wide receivers drop ball after ball, and Carlson assigns 20 push-ups for each.

The Crusaders, it is clear, have a long way to go.

And yet …

"The attitude's a lot different from last year," says junior tight end Mike Gerton.

"You can see the potential as soon as you step on the practice field,” says junior running back Sterling Summerville. “This team is ready for a victory, and if ever a team needed a victory, this is one.”

“It's a privilege to play," says senior center Ferdy Velez. "Be happy to be on the field every day, because once these days are gone, these are the days you'll remember."

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Why did Bobby Wysocki (No. return for another season, despite the adversity? "I just wanted to be a winner," he says.
Courtesy Valparaiso University

That's why running back Bobby Wysocki decided he, like fellow fifth-year senior Sean McCarty, would come back. Friends didn't get it. Why come back for an 0-11 team? What's the point?

The point, he says, is going out on a high note.

"Instead of 11 games, it felt like 11 years," Wysocki said of last year. "In Week 10 of practice, you're still doing the same drills, and it's like, "What's the point anymore?" (But) football's my life. It means everything to me. I can't even imagine how the end of this season will be for me. I'll be a wreck."

For Wysocki, for the coach, for the university president, for a campus whose morale has fallen along with this team's struggles, this season comes with a simple goal: Win one game. Just to remember what it feels like.

Why did Bobby Wysocki return?

"I just wanted to be a winner," he says.

Francis Baker, Jr. takes a swig of breakfast — a small carton of chocolate milk — as he walks down his dorm stairs and heads to his first class in the new school year.

Baker is a soft-spoken sophomore linebacker, a civil engineering major from southern Maryland with a 3.2 GPA and polite manner of "sirs" and holding doors for ladies. He also has a determination to turn things around for his football team. He was excited a couple years ago when he got a recruiting call from Valparaiso coaches; the first thing he did was go to Google to figure out where Valparaiso was. When he boarded his first plane ever and flew to Valparaiso, he never expected the team would go winless his freshman year.

Francis Baker

"I'm looking forward to showing (the students) something that first game," sophomore LB Francis Baker says of the new season.
Reid Forgrave

This morning began earlier for Baker than for most anyone in his dorm. With a 6:20 a.m. alarm, with an hour-long weightlifting session, with a strength coach hollering over his shoulder, pushing him to work harder as teammates wiped sleep from their eyes.

Now, Baker cuts across the campus green near the Chapel of the Resurrection, which is decorated for this afternoon's opening convocation. Baker's socks become wet from the dewy grass, and his Air Jordan sandals are soon caked in grass clippings. He walks into his first class of the new school year, Calculus III, and sits in the front row.

"Losing is always hard," he says. "You come out here and practice every day, and to not see results, it's hard. It makes you feel, 'What have I been doing with all my time?' I go home and tell people I play football. They ask how we did. It's kind of embarrassing.

"But now there's new people on campus, and I'm sure they've heard how horrible the football team is," he continues. "I'm looking forward to showing them something that first game."

The class begins. Students ask about office hours and grading policies. There's that anxious newness in the air, the feeling that the script is not yet written for the upcoming year.

Not long from this moment — tomorrow night, in fact — Baker and his teammates will run onto Brown Field to play Franklin College, the Division III school that beat Valpo by 35 points last season. The lights will shine on the Crusader logo at mid-field. Thousands of fans and students will pay $10 for a ticket and fill these stands, aware of the team's struggles, but excited for the new year. The annual rituals of college football will begin again. The Crusaders will have a fresh start.

This is the moment Francis Baker thinks about when he sits in this classroom, listens to his professor and opens a fresh notebook. Nothing is written on these pages, not yet.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Post-Game Thoughts?

« on: September 06, 2011, 02:37:06 PM »

Those Italians can sure hold a grudge

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Sports Network/Fathead.com FCS Top-25 College Football Poll

« on: September 06, 2011, 02:14:20 PM »

I didn'tput those smiley faces in there.

No mention of us.  Not 1 vote!

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Sports Network/Fathead.com FCS Top-25 College Football Poll

« on: September 06, 2011, 02:13:30 PM »

FCS Coaches Poll (September 6, 2011)

(Team, first-place votes in parenthesis, record, points, last week)

1. Eastern Washington (22) 0-1 689 1

2. Georgia Southern (6) 1-0 666 3

T3. Appalachian State 0-1 557 2

T3. Northern Iowa 0-1 557 7

5. William & Mary 0-1 546 4

6. Montana State 0-1 543 6

7. Delaware 0-1 508 5

8. North Dakota State 1-0 453 11

9. Wofford 1-0 452 8

10. Jacksonville State 1-0 432 9

11. Richmond 1-0 431 19

12. Stephen F. Austin 1-0 365 14

13. Montana 0-1 306 12

14. Lehigh 1-0 298 15

15. Southern Illinois 1-0 297 17

16. New Hampshire 0-1 286 10

17. James Madison 0-1 218 16

18. Sacramento State 1-0 217 NR

19. Villanova 0-1 211 13

20. Central Arkansas 1-0 154 22

21. Liberty 0-1 152 18

22. McNeese State 0-1 149 20

23. South Carolina State 0-1 75 21

24. Bethune-Cookman 1-0 65 T24

25. Chattanooga 0-1 64 23

Others Receiving Votes: Massachusetts (54), Pennsylvania (47), Eastern Kentucky (26), Murray State (26), South Dakota State (23), Sam Houston State (21), Stony Brook (17), Florida A&M (14), Eastern Illinois (13), Southeast Missouri (12), Grambling State (12), The Citadel (11), Cal Poly (11), Colgate (10), Indiana State (10), UC Davis (9), Harvard (, Central Connecticut (, Dayton (, Coastal Carolina (, Jackson State (5), Morgan State (4), Jacksonville (2), Northwestern State (1).



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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Post-Game Thoughts?

« on: September 06, 2011, 10:25:45 AM »

He made some comments about the fact that he hasn't forgooton what YSU did to his father.  Before the game he said he wished he could play against YSU and that he wanted his defense to be wreckless against the Pengiuins.

Hey Pat.  I'm glad your dad got fired.  We got Tressel as a result.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Post-Game Thoughts?

« on: September 05, 2011, 05:03:50 PM »

sis anyone see Narduzzi's bitter statements about YSU.   Jeeze man let it go.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Post-Game Thoughts?

« on: September 03, 2011, 11:35:20 AM »

I had to sleep on this....but my thoughts:

We forced MSU to play our game of FB.  The game was a lot closer that the score would indicate.  We moved the ball well but we were not able to score in the red zone.  That was the difference.  WE probably should not have had to settle for the FG, we should have scored there.  I taped the game and watched it again.  There were several "no calls" for defensive pass interference that we should have had.  One of the plays was early in the game where Pat White beat the corner up the sideline and the MSU defender held him.  That was a TD.  I thought that the BTN game hosts were not giving us credit, neither did any re[porter in the post game press conference.

The defense is much improved, but we need to get better at defending the pass over the middle.  They had something like 10.4 yards per attempt in passing and most of that average came from a handful of big pass plays made on our secondary.  We got caught guessing on at least two running plays in the red zone where the defense was completely playing the inside run and they bounced it out, but understandable given the level of talent we were up against.

At the end of the day, our inability to stop them in the red zone and our inability to score in the red zone was the difference in the game.  We controlled the pace of most of the game, utilized the clock really well and kept them off of the field.  WE had something like 43 offensive plays to their 23 in the first half.  we moved the ball up and down the field but could not score.  The defense held their potent offense in check for most of the day and gave our offense some opportunities.  The interception the 4th put the game away for MSU.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Greetings Penguins!

« on: August 29, 2011, 07:34:08 PM »

Let's get real folks.  If we were playing Indiana, Minnesota, or Northwestern, of course we would have a chance.  But this is Michigan State.  Winning is not possible.  Play well, avoid serious injury, acquire confidence for our FCS schedule.  That, and the money, is what this game is about.

You will see that MSU and Mark Dantonio is very respectful of our opponents and that once the win is assured he will pull back the horses.  No running up the score or overly physical play after half time should be likely.  We dont want your players injured, we don't want our players injured, we just want our team to come out and play well which is the same for you.

A lot of us know him and wish him well.  He coached here and this is a small school compared to MSU.  Not saying we know everything, but many know him and root for him.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Greetings Penguins!

« on: August 29, 2011, 02:55:00 PM »

Let's get real folks.  If we were playing Indiana, Minnesota, or Northwestern, of course we would have a chance.  But this is Michigan State.  Winning is not possible.  Play well, avoid serious injury, acquire confidence for our FCS schedule.  That, and the money, is what this game is about.

Well put.  I didn't want to hurt the sensitive feelings of some people on this board.