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Well it is Thursday and we have not begun to predict. We always have trouble with these guys so I am going 34-27 good guys.
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34-17 Y.S.U. in dry conditions. 21-10 Y.S.U. in less then favorable conditions. I think the team learned it's lesson from the Western Illinois game and will be ready this time around.
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Wish I could be at this game. 2 days too early as I'm moving from San Diego to Columbus starting today. A very good friend of mine that I met in the Navy played for South Dakota and now works with athletic training staff. Always good to talk MVC with someone out here.
**Edit because I wrote played for San Diego***
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First Post ever.
Penguins come out guns blazing and show the Coyotes the same type of butt whooping they were shown last week vs NDSU. According to the weather, no snow is on the forecast for game time. That should bode well for the Guins. South Dakota is another one of those dome teams, so playing in cold weather might pose a challenge for them.
Final Score:
Penguins: 42
Coyotes: 24
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Another big day from Hunter Wells. Proving Paladin wrong even more. The typical Paladin "I told you so" post will come after the Illinois State game.
YSU 44
USD 14
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This South Dakota team took Montana to the wire. They are desperate for a win and match up well with the us. I think it is going to be close.
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There is no reason for this game to even be close. This ought to be a game where the starters are off the field by the end of the 3rd qtr.
South Dakota is in the bottom half of the MVFC in all but 4 categories. And, in several categories, they are 9th or 10th.
The only statistical categories in which SDSU is in the top 5 for MVFC games are:
Kickoff Returns - 5th(20.1 yards per return)
FG Percentage - Tied 1st... 4-4
Penalties - 3rd (19 penalties in 4 games for 178 yds..avg per game of 44.5 yds
SD is last in the following categories:
Scoring Offense - 11.2ppg
Scoring Defense - 36.5ppg
Rushing Defense - 242.5ppg
Total Defense - 455.5 yds per game
Pass Efficiency Defense - 142.8
Punt Return Avg - Negative 1.5 yards... 4 returns for -6 yards
PAT Kicking Percentage - 75%(3 of 4)
Ints - ZERO
Sacks - 1 for 6 yards(.25 per game... the 1st sack came last week)
Kickoff Coverage - 31.5 net avg
4th Down Conversion Percentage - 28.6% (2 for 7)
Turnover Margin - 0 To's Gained, 6 To's lost... -6 for the season and -1.5 per game
Red Zone Defense - 94.7% conversion rate for opponents... 18 of 19, with 10 Td's and 8 Fg's
I have no idea how this team stayed close with Montana. In 4 MVFC games, SD has been outscored 146 - 45. This is just a bad football team. There is no nice way to put it. This team is just bad. I have no doubt they will play hard, but effort is not going to be enough for SD to win. YSU might, PLEASE notice I said MIGHT, find a way to lose, but I see no way ND can win.
YSU 38
SD 10
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We are halfway through the season and conference-only statistics become very meaningful. As Let's Talk outlined, South Dakota is bad at just about everything. What really strikes me is the 242 yards they give up against the run. I expect a conservative game plan which will match up well with the expected miserable weather.
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There is no reason for this game to even be close. This ought to be a game where the starters are off the field by the end of the 3rd qtr.
South Dakota is in the bottom half of the MVFC in all but 4 categories. And, in several categories, they are 9th or 10th.
The only statistical categories in which SDSU is in the top 5 for MVFC games are:
Kickoff Returns - 5th(20.1 yards per return)
FG Percentage - Tied 1st... 4-4
Penalties - 3rd (19 penalties in 4 games for 178 yds..avg per game of 44.5 yds
SD is last in the following categories:
Scoring Offense - 11.2ppg
Scoring Defense - 36.5ppg
Rushing Defense - 242.5ppg
Total Defense - 455.5 yds per game
Pass Efficiency Defense - 142.8
Punt Return Avg - Negative 1.5 yards... 4 returns for -6 yards
PAT Kicking Percentage - 75%(3 of 4)
Ints - ZERO
Sacks - 1 for 6 yards(.25 per game... the 1st sack came last week)
Kickoff Coverage - 31.5 net avg
4th Down Conversion Percentage - 28.6% (2 for 7)
Turnover Margin - 0 To's Gained, 6 To's lost... -6 for the season and -1.5 per game
Red Zone Defense - 94.7% conversion rate for opponents... 18 of 19, with 10 Td's and 8 Fg's
I have no idea how this team stayed close with Montana. In 4 MVFC games, SD has been outscored 146 - 45. This is just a bad football team. There is no nice way to put it. This team is just bad. I have no doubt they will play hard, but effort is not going to be enough for SD to win. YSU might, PLEASE notice I said MIGHT, find a way to lose, but I see no way ND can win.
YSU 38
SD 10
I haven't seen our team smoke anyone this year. They have played everyone relatively close. YSU should have beaten WIU and did not. The last two years the games have come down to the wire. Nothing tells me this year will be any different. While I would like to see a dominating game, I do think it will be very close.
South Dakota beat Northern Arizona who is ranked. I understand there isn't much placed into transitive wins, but NAU beat Eastern Washington, Cal Poly and Portland State. South Dakota is not a bad football team by any stretch of the imagination. They are exceptionally young and things are starting to unravel for them a bit, but they are still better than most teams in the FCS and they are very dangerous.
Sat, Aug 30 @
#3 Oregon
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62-13
0-1 (0-0)
Sat, Sept 6 vs
William Penn
W
41-16
1-1 (0-0)
Sat, Sept 13 @
Montana
L
28-20
1-2 (0-0)
Sat, Sept 20 vs
N Arizona
W
28-21
2-2 (0-0)
Sat, Oct 4 @
S Illinois
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41-10
2-3 (0-1)
Sat, Oct 11 vs
Northern Iowa
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27-16
2-4 (0-2)
Sat, Oct 18 @
Missouri State
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31-12
2-5 (0-3)
Sat, Oct 25 vs
North Dakota St
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47-7
2-6 (0-4)
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This game shouldn't be close. On paper, YSU is heads and shoulders above them. Pre-season this was picked as a win. YSU, 35-10
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YSU needs a blow out win. I agree USD is no slouch, but I think Wells comes out throwing early.
YSU 41
USD 17
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In games like this, focus is key. These guys nearly knocked off Montana earlier this year and gave UNI a scare too, trailing just 20-16 midway thru the 4th quarter. I saw them in person last year in Vermillion, SD and they were tough and we struggled to stop them on defense. I do believe our defense is stronger, but it is key to get pressure on their QB and preserve the ball.
We fumbled 3 times last year and had a lot of missed assignments on defense. Hold onto the ball and control the TOP, we will win.
YSU 35
USD 14
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The weather conditions could be a big factor with the South Dakota game. Could be dropped passes, fumbles and penalties. The poor weather will not draw many fans. If, SDU has a fair QB, he will gain many yards on YSU's pass defense. All in all, YSU will prevail.
YSU 31
SDU 17
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I cannot believe some of the comments I am reading. We are not the coaching staff. We are not the players. No reason for any of us to be doing the whole "this team plays hard...this team put a scare into Montana, this team is well coached, this team eats steak every day, they will bring their "A" game"....
South Dakota is a bad team. They are 2-6/0-4. I provided the multitude of categories in which they are 10th in the MVFC. This team has ONE sack and and has created ZERO turnovers in 4 MVFC games. They score 11 pts per game and allow 36.
As for Montana, they are getting to a point of starting to live off past reputation. Same with UNI. Montana is 5-3 and still has to play Montana State and EWU. The balance of power has shifted in recent years in the Big Sky. Yes, Montana is still a good program, but EWU is now the best team in the Big Sky, and MSU may well have passed Montana as best team in Montana.
UNI is no longer the power of the MVFC. They are slowly going backwards. This is likely going to be another non playoff season for UNI.
Here are the scores of the 4 games SD has played in MVFC:
SIU 41 - SD 10
UNI 27 - SD 16
MSU 31 - SD 12
NDSU 47 - SD 7
The closest loss was to UNI at home, and that was by 11 points. Of these 4 teams, it is likely NDSU will be the only playoff team, and you can see they had no problem at all with SD. If YSU has hopes of being a playoff team and being able to actually win 1 or more games in the playoffs, this is a game they ought to win by 20 pts or more.
SD has the worst run defense in the conference, and YSU has 2 excellent RB's. I know the weather is going to be rainy and cold. This ought to be a game where YSU does not have to throw often. Run, run, run and mix in an occasional pass. Both of YSU's running backs are hard to tackle once getting past the line of scrimmage.
There is NO REASON for the YSU defense to have any trouble with SD. Not if they plan on being able to have success at ISU, at NDSU and home against Indy State.
The ONLY reason for this game to be close is if YSU does not show up to give 100%, and/or is not focused on SD, and instead looking forward to the last 3 games. YSU is just better in all phases of the game. I see no reason that YSU cannot get ahead by 24-28 pts by the end of the 3rd qtr, if not sooner, and then coast home. Again, we are talking about a YSU team that has plans on making the playoffs, winning 1 or more games in the playoffs, and possibly even winning the MVFC. Such a team ought not have any trouble at all with SD.
Several of you like the Massey Ratings. Well, SD is 56th in FCS Massey Ratings. To put that in perspective, Duquesne is 50th and Sacred Heart is 47th. Jacksonville of the PFL is 49th.
No reason at all for this to be a close game by the time it gets to 3rd and 4th qtr. If it is close at that point, it will not be a good sign for YSU going forward to the final 3 games of the year.
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Just watch the game. You willook see how well they play us
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SD is capable of getting blown out and they are also capable of beating us---never forget Missouri State was 1-9 and beat us @ HOME with our playoffs on the line.
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This one favors YSU, though rain could be an equalizer. Even then, as long as our OL holds, we are better equipped at the skill positions to have the kind of runs and short passes typical of a bad-weather game. "As long as our OL holds"--I had to add the qualifier because of the recent history of YSU teams falling apart when wintry conditions set in. I guess we might learn whether this team is any different tomorrow.
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"As long as our OL holds"
10 yard penalty from the spot of the foul
Pass that along to Trevor....well no need. :D
I wouldn't post it here if I didn't razz him about it in person.
GO GUINS!
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I know SD can beat YSU. Any team can beat another team on a given day. What myself and a few others are saying(well at least me), is that SD has no business makingthis a close game, let alone winning. If both teams play the best they can play, YSU ought to win by 20+ points.
Massey is predicting 34-14
If using Sagarin, YSU 65.83 - SD 48.01...so, with the hom advantage, Sagarin ratings make YSU a 17 point favorite.
Nolan Power Index, YSU is 21st with rating of 84.97 and SD is 97th with rating of 51.89... That is 97th in FCS, not 97th in all of D1
A few more stats...SD has scored 20 or less points in all 4 road games this season, and they are 1-24 in their last 25 road games dating back to 2010. The lone win was last year at UNI.
SD has not won a game in November since 2011 against Missouri State at home
I will not be surprised if it ends up being a close game. Would not even be surprised if YSU found a way to lose. I just believe that it is the time of year where playoff caliber teams start to separate from the non playoff caliber teams. The 2012 and 2013 games were close, and YSU did not make the playoffs in either 2012 or 2013.
And, here is the craziest part of all. If I made a post pointing out how close the games were the past 2 years, said I expect YSU to be unfocused, make alot of mistakes and end up losing an ugly game due to poor coaching a players looking past SD, people would be bashing me for not being a "true fan". ??? ??? ??? :-\ :-\
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What's keeping me from getting overly excited about this year is last year! YSU is almost in the exact same boat as last year as far as success. 6-2 with a few good wins... A cup cake game at home to go 7-2 then the Guins have the toughest part of the schedule to close the season! Lose the last 3 games of the season to 3 very good teams and end up 7-5. Scary but a possibility :(
Anyways,,, YSU 38-14
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"As long as our OL holds"
10 yard penalty from the spot of the foul
Pass that along to Trevor....well no need. :D
I wouldn't post it here if I didn't razz him about it in person.
GO GUINS!
With Trevor's wrestling success in high school and his hair, he is destined to be a pro wrestling star.
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Not only is their run defense really bad, but two weeks ago against MSU they lost their top running back and a starting OT to season ending injuries. Derek Rivers and our running backs should have a big day.
YSU 34-10
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With Trevor's wrestling success in high school and his hair, he is destined to be a pro wrestling star.
I have called him "Barbie the Bruiser"
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If it's bad weather, that's gotta favor us since they play in a dome, eh?
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Take a look at the fans in the stands tomorrow, those will be the real YSU fans.
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Take a look at the fans in the stands tomorrow, those will be the real YSU fans.
All 1,000 of us!
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I was at Charlie Staples today and he was handing out free tickets to everyone who ate lunch. Its nice to see people in the area that get it!
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I wish Charlie Staples would fix their sauce.....
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Hunter is wayour off today. Is it the wind?
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Better question. Why is YSU even passing, given they are playing against the worst running defense in the MVFC, and YSU has 2 of the best RB's in the MFVC to go along with an above average offensive line?
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Run the ball dammit! It's cold, windy and Montgomery comes out trying to throw the ball..... Lol
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Spoke to my father in law who is down on the field. He said it is windy as hell. He said the flags are straight out and the wind is blowing away from the big scoreboard. (So if your on the home side it is left to right) We need to be passing to the tight ends not throwing deep.
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Somebody needs to tell YSU the game started.....
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somebody needs to tell Christian to back up with the windhe's playing up too far
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I CANNOT STAND when Montgomery takes forever to change the play. That's half the reason why Wolf has to call TO's... Idiot.
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Lol @ this play calling.
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Better question. Why is YSU even passing, given they are playing against the worst running defense in the MVFC, and YSU has 2 of the best RB's in the MFVC to go along with an above average offensive line?
My thoughts (and i might be wrong) is they know they can run all over USD in 2nd half if they need too and they want to get Wells experience in throwing vs tougher defenses so they are using the first half as in game training for him for the NDSU/ISUb/ISUr games if it comes down to Wells winning the game
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There is NO REASON for this game to be close. SD had ZERO interceptions in 4 MVFC games before today. SD is last in TO Margin, averaging something like -1.5 per game. They have the worst running defense, the worst passing efficiency defense, the worst overall defense... worst in more than 10 categories.
This is EXACTLY why so many people have no faith in this team being able to make the playoffs. This game is going to be 7-7 at halftime. At best 7-3 YSU. SD plays in a dome. This game is outside, in cold, damp, windy weather. And they had to travel over 1,000 miles to get to Ytown.
The worst part, I'm not surprised this game is close, even though I predicted YSU to win 38-10.
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Better question. Why is YSU even passing, given they are playing against the worst running defense in the MVFC, and YSU has 2 of the best RB's in the MFVC to go along with an above average offensive line?
My thoughts (and i might be wrong) is they know they can run all over USD in 2nd half if they need too and they want to get Wells experience in throwing vs tougher defenses so they are using the first half as in game training for him for the NDSU/ISUb/ISUr games if it comes down to Wells winning the game
We are not that sophisticated.
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FIRE MONTGOMERY!!!!!!!
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I expected the elements to be a neutralizer. Now is when we see if there are leaders on this team ready to step forward. We are better in the skill positions than they are, so I wouldn't abandon hope just yet (he types as Hunter fumbles).
I do wish I could be there, simply to see how our players are responding to the weather. Sometimes the attitude on the sidelines tells you more about YSU's prospects than the game itself.
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All 1,000 of us!
999. I can't be there today.
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Were in trouble guys....
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Like I said earlier this is going to be a tough one.
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in other news MSU 18 ISUb 17 with 42 seconds left in game
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St. Francis beat Duquesne today....
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Derek Rivers will play on Sunday's.
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Why isn't Christian backing up when. The wind is blowing 20 mph? He hasn't fielded one all day and has one fumble.
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ISUb 20 MSU 18 :06 seconds left
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Why are we throwing 20 yard passes into the wind? Throw to the tight end damnit
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This is unbeliveable
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This is VERY believable. It is "WolfBall" at it's finest ::)
Indy State won 20-18
SDSU 3 - NDSU 0 early 2nd qtr
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We always play bad after a big win.
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UnFu**ing believable.
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This is VERY believable. It is "WolfBall" at it's finest ::)
Indy State won 20-18
SDSU 3 - NDSU 0 early 2nd qtr
More like Montgomery ball. Guys a loser.
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Okay we finally throw to the tight end and he gets hurt.
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SAFETY!!!!!!! WOW
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That's one of the worst calls i've ever seen, WOW.
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Perfect example of why MYYTV needs to have 1 or 2 cameras on the West side of the stadium if YSU is going to use instant replay. I do not think the replay with the angle provided by MYYTV cameras was conclusive on whether the ball crossed the goal line. The feet, yes, but it was not clear regarding the ball.
With a camera angle from West stands(which go from end zone to end zone, it is likely the replay official would have had a much better angle on the replay.
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Way to go offense!!!!!!!!!
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Ain't catching Jody!!!!! See ya
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SDSU 10 - NDSU 6 (Halftime)
Good stop defense. Now time for another TD, and put SD away.
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Looks like the boys woke up.
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Looks like the boys woke up.
Finally
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TOUCHDOWN....... Not pretty, but it's a win!!!!! fb
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Amazing what you can do when you run the football and not turn it over. Tremendous fourth quarter after that nightmarish first 45 mins of the game.
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Not pretty, but a win is a win. Let's keep an eye on SDSU and NDSU and also Illinois St game tonight. Go YSU!
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Ugly. Ugly. Ugly. Not sure why YSU didn't run the ball down their throat all day. Oh well, a win is a win. Will definitely have to do better....WAY BETTER next weekend. Go YSU!!!
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Not to say "I told you so" but I expected this kind of game and we have had a history of blowing these games after a big win. I am happy the way we pushed them around in the 4th quarter. I don't understand why they weren't throwing to the TE more. It was windy and that may have helped get some rhythm in the passing game but....doesn't matter now.
Do we now have 7 division 1 wins? Milestone number 1 complete. Need to get 2 of the next 3 if possible.
Congrats on the ugly win. I'll take it
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Wells played like a freshman today!!! Hope that's the worst it gets. But he still threw a few very nice balls. But the INT was just bad.
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Paladin had to delete his message he had written at the start of the 4th quarter
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Agreed, Wells looked pretty shaky. But his offensive coordinator might of called his worst game in the 1st half. Never put him in a position to succeed. Had YSU come out pounding the football, instead of throwing into the wind, this game woulda never been close.
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Man, Hunter can't lose can he? If he plays good he's the next Bart Starr and if he plays bad it's Monty's fault. That is a nice position to be in isn't it. ::)
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All 1,000 of us!
999. I can't be there today.
I brought an extra person - 1000
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we were just horrible for 3 qtrs, good thing they woke up in the 4th. Hunter had a bad game but still won, thats what you have to do.
Crowd really makes me mad, student section was basically a no show today. I just do not understand why people do not show up, players deserve better. Everyone looks for reasons not to go.
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Shameful embarrassing crowd turnout. The Mahoning valley should be ashamed. If you didn't go and you live local you are to blame. And I will now refer to all living there (outside of the 1000 people there every week) as suck as band wagon pieces of crap. Especially the ones wearing their Ohio State stuff. Now when I see a person with Ohio State stuff I am going to call them out, embarrass them and tell them to get the hell out of the tailgate lot or go to the book store and buy a YSU shirt before they come back in. Wrong f'ing team ********s. Same ********s that don't show up for the team because they are pussificated in cold weather
Struck a nerve.
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All 1,000 of us!
999. I can't be there today.
I brought an extra person - 1000
Sometimes I wish there were a "like" button on this board.
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The weather was horrible, more like December or January than the first day of November. From my vantage point in the east stands, the fat cats did stuff their loges, as usual.
What I am about to say will shock some of you who live far away and remember that close connection between YSU football and the community. That connection was broken long ago. Casual fans just don't care anymore. That is the price of failure in twelve of the past thirteen seasons. In the old days, when I met a casual fan, that person would ask me details about the team. Today, invariably casual fans that I meet ask me only one question: "Do you still go to the games?" When I respond in the affirmative, they actually laugh at me and ask me why. That is how far interest has fallen. It will take years of sustained winning to recapture at least some of that interest. Actually making the playoffs this season would be a start.
Oops, somebody please move these comments to the "no butts in the seats" thread that YSUGO just started.
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YSU teams in recent years would have collapsed due to the first half turnovers. This team played through its mistakes, like good teams do when they are down. Maybe there really has been a change in attitude. I guess we'll know next week.
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The weather was horrible, more like December or January than the first day of November. From my vantage point in the east stands, the fat cats did stuff their loges, as usual.
What I am about to say will shock some of you who live far away and remember that close connection between YSU football and the community. That connection was broken long ago. Casual fans just don't care anymore. That is the price of failure in twelve of the past thirteen seasons. In the old days, when I met a casual fan, that person would ask me details about the team. Today, invariably casual fans that I meet ask me only one question: "Do you still go to the games?" When I respond in the affirmative, they actually laugh at me and ask me why. That is how far interest has fallen. It will take years of sustained winning to recapture at least some of that interest. Actually making the playoffs this season would be a start.
Oops, somebody please move these comments to the "no butts in the seats" thread that YSUGO just started.
That is hard for me to believe. What happened? We've had many winning seasons. You don't make the playoffs every year even Tress didn't
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wow the total yards were really one sided 557 to 284
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We average 7 yards a carry.
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Win is a win for sure gentleman! It was nice to come and see the game. Very disappointed in the turn out, yet i expected that with the weather. The weather sucked in the stands, but after the game Christian said the weather was ten times worse on the field. He said the wind was unbearable. In regards to the punt returning he said he never has seen the balls the way they were as they would go up and just die, and then other times sail 50 yards. But in regards to his positioning on the field he said that he goes where the coaches tell him to go in terms of yard line to receive. Tough position to be in. Win is a Win! Thankful we woke up in the fourth and took it to them. Next week should be interesting, Illinois State finally lost today to N. Iowa! Go Guins! 7-2 is nice, need to keep winning!
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I don't understand the obsession against Ohio State. They aren't the ones preventing people from attending the games and if those that do wear OSU gear then so be it - they are at least in the stands. The marketing area of YSU is very small and I am not sure why. I've said it before: Even the local establishments do not promote YSU yet they gladly accept your money. Why not complain about that instead of OSU; it would be more effective. I think the 3 for $10 promotion is a good start. Hope it does some good.
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I don't understand the obsession against Ohio State. They aren't the ones preventing people from attending the games and if those that do wear OSU gear then so be it - they are at least in the stands. The marketing area of YSU is very small and I am not sure why. I've said it before: Even the local establishments do not promote YSU yet they gladly accept your money. Why not complain about that instead of OSU; it would be more effective. I think the 3 for $10 promotion is a good start. Hope it does some good.
It is less about Ohio State and more about the uninformed bandwagoners watching a terrible brand of football and enjoying it because they don't know any better
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OSU cannot be blamed for the attendance issues at YSU.
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OSU cannot be blamed for the attendance issues at YSU.
Us missing the playoffs by 1 game the past 3 years is to blame. If we make the playoffs, the fans will return. We are very young this year and the future looks VERY bright.
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Win and they will come!!!!
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I have been a fan for a long time & you people seem to have very short memories. Last place team, winless in the conference. From South Dakota yet. I am willing to bet that most YSU fans could not find S. Dakota on a map that does not have the state names. Terrible weather. Many people had beggars day/night. Did you expect anything more?
Under Tressel, people did not come either, they figured a blowout and saved it for the tougher games. Just common. Relax.
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I listened to sports wrap on 570 wkbn. They should make those boobs attend a freaking game. Second week in a row Hannon has not shown up too. That is the only reason why I listen to that show. All the losers callers asking about the ursuline game. Makes me want to puke. They have no clue. I hope they read this too. Get your ass to the game you uninformed morons.
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Agreed on this. Ysu does a very poor job at getting media excited/interested in ysu athletics.
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Bashing people because they follow one high school program or another isn't going to help the cause. High school football is big here. It always has been and that isn't likely to change. YSU isn't competing against the local high schools. There is room for prep football and college football in the Valley. One doesn't negate the other.
Similarly, YSU and Ohio State aren't in competition. What people forget is that during the 1990s, when YSU was winning titles, there was a huge level of OSU fatigue because the Buckeyes were busy underachieving. People knew OSU was as talented as any team in the country, but you could bet they'd lose a game or two they had no business losing. People got tired of it.
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I don't think the valley has this large level of high school football attendance as they think. I know it's impossible for anyone to get correct figures, but Ursuline or mooney aren't getting over 5k at games at Stambaugh. No matter how much their fans shout or holler that they do, they don't. But that's a different story, for a different day.
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I don't think the valley has this large level of high school football attendance as they think. I know it's impossible for anyone to get correct figures, but Ursuline or mooney aren't getting over 5k at games at Stambaugh. No matter how much their fans shout or holler that they do, they don't. But that's a different story, for a different day.
No, there isn't any one school with enormous attendance. And yes, even when Mooney and Ursuline are at Stambaugh, the place looks empty. But each program in the Valley, especially those that win, draw their crowds.
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Agreed, I asked this question to a couple local players when I was up this weekend, and they said it is a pretty poor turnout for the High School games as well. Even the rivalries.
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Bashing people because they follow one high school program or another isn't going to help the cause. High school football is big here. It always has been and that isn't likely to change. YSU isn't competing against the local high schools. There is room for prep football and college football in the Valley. One doesn't negate the other. Similarly, YSU and Ohio State aren't in competition.
I honestly would be interested in your opinion as to what YSU needs to do to boost attendance - aside from win.
If they are in one of the toughest conferences, the will face some L's.
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Bashing people because they follow one high school program or another isn't going to help the cause. High school football is big here. It always has been and that isn't likely to change. YSU isn't competing against the local high schools. There is room for prep football and college football in the Valley. One doesn't negate the other. Similarly, YSU and Ohio State aren't in competition.
I honestly would be interested in your opinion as to what YSU needs to do to boost attendance - aside from win.
If they are in one of the toughest conferences, the will face some L's.
Winning, of course, is the main thing. It's the one thing that will make people want to be part of the program. That's why the 1990s teams were so popular. They gave the Valley something to be proud of and to rally around.
Another way is to have a dominating player, such as Steve McNair was at Alcorn State. A guy like that will draw crowds, but it doesn't last. When was the last time anyone thought about Alcorn State? YSU has had all sorts of good and great players, but the Penguins' best teams never had a McNair. They won with a team concept.
It always comes back to winning, doesn't it? The truth is, only sustained success will provide a significant boost, unless you're handing out $100 bills at the gate. There is no quick fix that will fill the stadium for the next home date. But even as I type that, I am reminded that I've seen people line up two hours in advance for our YSU ticket giveaway at the Canfield Fair. So some people really want to go to YSU football games. Is it just that they want to go for free? I think YSU football is still a bargain.
I will say this: I may not have a ready solution to the attendance problem, but I am absolutely sure that cutting off media access to practice isn't it. Aside from winning, getting to know players and coaches is the only other thing I can think of that will help. Well, how does that happen? It could be that a skilled interviewer who asks good questions and learns interesting, quirky things about people — and knows football — is just the sort of person who can help fans get to know the people in the program and generate the interest YSU says it craves.
But hey, what do I know? The fact is, you're the first person who asked what I thought. I do appreciate that.
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I will say this: I may not have a ready solution to the attendance problem, but I am absolutely sure that cutting off media access to practice isn't it. Aside from winning, getting to know players and coaches is the only other thing I can think of that will help. Well, how does that happen? It could be that a skilled interviewer who asks good questions and learns interesting, quirky things about people — and knows football — is just the sort of person who can help fans get to know the people in the program and generate the interest YSU says it craves.
Thank you very much for your comment. One more question if you don't mind. If you had more media access to players, how much space could be allocated for that in print? Weekly column of an interview? I know that space is limited and as soon as you devote more to YSU, then someone else gets their nose twisted if they don't get the coverage the feel has gone to YSU.
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Bashing people because they follow one high school program or another isn't going to help the cause. High school football is big here. It always has been and that isn't likely to change. YSU isn't competing against the local high schools. There is room for prep football and college football in the Valley. One doesn't negate the other. Similarly, YSU and Ohio State aren't in competition.
I honestly would be interested in your opinion as to what YSU needs to do to boost attendance - aside from win.
If they are in one of the toughest conferences, the will face some L's.
I agree with you on that ScarletRook, We play in the toughest conference in the FCS, we are going to face tough teams all year and we are not going to win every single game. On any given saturday you can lose, you are not guaranteed any victory in the MVFC.
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Familiarity is bread. It can be difficult for the media to push YSU (athletics) on the Valley, but eventually it will work out. Look at "Rolling Radio" as your example. If that beast was sitting in M27 lot and the 5th-quarter show was outside after every game ...even park it up outside of Beeghly for basketball post-game ...just think about what this does. How about an onsite tailgate cooking show with contests every single week on TV, with the winner receiving tailgate, season and individual game tickets? How about the tailgate lot bands being recorded & played on local cable access in exchange for YSU signage and a description? The Vindy setting up a tent in nice, but it is the football game that causes the crowd and the games (contests) that draws the crowd to your tent.
Does anyone else ever wonder why the tailgate lots are not wired for PA? All the events going on and people in the lot do not even know. I have told countless numbers of families in M24 that the kids games are down in M7 ...there should be announcements and advertising that tell them this every game.
In the mean time, it requires resources and generates little to no revenue.
I live and work in Columbus. Clearly the Bucks are money for anyone that can associate themselves with them. At the office, our people are permitted to dress casual for football Fridays. Of course, everyone wears "Buckeye garb". I always wear "Penguin garb" and since it was red, most thought I was wearing OSU attire. At a meeting, they noticed my red was actually Penguin attire and commented. My quote is always the same ...I drive past the shoe every fall Friday to go to my football game.
Yet, you cannot watch any program (even in prime time) that you do not see OSU athletic commercials (even if they are CoOp with Kroger). Every station has regularly-scheduled dedicated programming (that is not the event), the paper has a dedicated section.
Obviously Youngstown is not the largest city in Ohio, but we do not have to act like the smallest.
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Does anyone else ever wonder why the tailgate lots are not wired for PA?
My understanding is this will be an important issue when Nate Adams is gone and his parents are no longer tailgating. There is a lot of improvement that could be made for, what appears to be, very little money.