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It is sad how little attention YSU Men's Basketball gets on this site. Not that they deserve it. I was stunned last year when the administration decided to keep Slocum. I am not the biggest Strollo fan, but I do believe he wanted to make a change and that President Tressel made the call to keep Slocum.
Prior to this season, Slocum said this team has great chemistry and they are going to surprise. They are headed to another 20 loss season. The last week and a half has been a disaster, including a double digit home loss to a bad Detroit team.
A change needs to be made, how can anyone justify keeping Slocum? His teams play no defense, among the worst in the nation. This Morse kid is really, really, kid, and we are seeing no success.
Hopefully Tressel will make the move and fire a coach whose record is an embarrassment.
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I have been a season ticket holder since I returned to Youngstown in 1982. In recent years, I have bought those seats only because the price for the men's/women's package is virtually the same as buying tickets for the men only. I attended three men's games last season and two this year. I have no desire to watch a team that refuses....absolutely refuses....to attempt to play any defense. Next year, if Slocum returns, I will forego season tickets and buy seats to the women's games individually. That will be inconvenient but it will be a matter of principle. I refuse to give one more nickel to men's basketball, unless there is a coaching change.
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Your so right; it is sad!! But for many on this board, we have seen this for far too many years and I for one quit watching the men's basketball. There are some good players and some that hustle, but we continue to see them in the bottom half of the Horizon League. It's always next year, well my next years may not be many thus I follow football.
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This team has a few really good players but as a whole it's not a good team as it record shows. Morse is a gift and Hartfield has a ton of upside.
If we change coaches does YSU basketball become better ? Is it the coach only or the entire YSU culture for men's basketball? Does the SID or anyone email students and promote basketball or start any promotion?
Winning cures all need for promotions and gimmicks. Let's be honest with past coaches. Clemons,Stroia,peters,and Robic all proceeded Slocum with sub 500 career records so it seem to be a crap shoot to dump Slocum for the next coach based on our past history.
As a long time masochist fan of this program,I can only hope for the day we make the NCAA tourney.
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So what if Hartfield has a lot upside. He probably will be leaving the program soon along with a few others! You know defections are coming at the end of the season!
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I basically feel the same as ucfpengbuck & not sure that a new coach is the answer, or at least the complete answer. Is this not Slocum's 1-year extension; or am I off by a year and he is under a new contract? All teams have defections and team playing sub-par have even more. I was listening to Kampe out of Oakland and he says that that (in terms of recruiting) a good offensive player can make a team in the lower mid-major conferences, but you need to have 2 on offense (and hopefully one on defense) in the top MM programs. It does not seem like much, but he says it is very difficult to do
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5 winning seasons since 1985. Not like they have a rich history of success. Time to stop pretending to be D1 and drop down.
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Haven't been to a game in 2 years. Will not go until Slocum is gone.
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5 winning seasons since 1985. Not like they have a rich history of success. Time to stop pretending to be D1 and drop down.
Dropping simply is not an option, any time you change coaches it is a crap shoot, a 50/50 deal. Sorry to say but we have a 100 chance of staying the same without a change.
A couple of 20-25 win seasons would do wonders for the basketball culture at YSU
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They need to update the seating and make the court like a try D1 think with no bleachers. Also get them a state of the art gym. Then get a new coach and they might have something. But that costs money and I would rather it spent where is should be spent which is in football.
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First of all due to NCAA regulations you can't drop down to Div 2 . All sports have to be D 1 . The program is so broken. Hire a young go getter that the kids can relate too. We need a JT type of hire like we did when we hired him. Find a coach that has a pipeline to Europe or fundamentally sound HS and Juco programs. Recruit Basketball players not just athletes. Recruit players that are within a 200 mile radius to prevent the homesickness BS. But first fire everything down there that's got to do with men's Bb. I don't expect Butler here but I want effort and kids that want to be here. It seems they aren't all in and play at times that they dont give a f***. I want kids that hate losing.
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Agreed! We need a coach that can recruit and KEEP the talent he recruits. We need depth at Center and the four position all the time. 6'4' and 6'2' recruits to play the three and sometimes four position doesn't cut it in this league. I'm tired of Slocum saying every game I'm disappointed in our effort and defense. Well! I thought they focused on defense all preseason what happened to that?
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Just pure misery. Last place. Typical Slocum
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5 games left for Jerry.
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We are tied for last place in the HL. YSU MBB has finished 9th or 10th in the HL 5 of the 11 seasons Slocum has been HC.
I'm not overly optimistic about Slocum's replacement, because he will be selected by the same guy who was going to hire Dean Hood as FB HC. Hood was fired by EKU and had a worse record than Wolford in the preceding seasons, in an inferior conference. In other words, the mastermind of ticketgate, the ticketgate cover-up, Hill, Martin, our FB OOC schedule, Heacock's contract extension, Slocum, and Slocum's multiple contract extensions.....may likely hire someone WORSE than Slocum. He may even hire someone that results in a winless season. Why not? He's done it before.
The Athletic Department needs to be fixed before MBB can be.
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Penguin Nation you nailed it! Your post is accurate. We also do everything 'cheap'. I hear already the talk of paying a new coach $150,000 a year. I realize this is good money for Youngstown, but it will still be the lowest paid in the HL. Since we are hardly paying Pelini (he gets the Nebraska money) we have some additional money.
Only way you get a potential quality guy at $150 K is a young assistant who desires to be a head coach. It can happen, then you hope he is gone within 5 years, then you made the right hire. He got the program turned around, then takes a bigger coach.
I would say Strollo's best hire was Coach Bolden with the women's program. He won, and he moved on. Thats what happens at mid-majors.
What I do know for sure is Slocum needs to go.
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I'm telling you, if you offered the job to Rick McFadden he would take it.
Ties to this area obviously being from Struthers. He's been the recruiting coordinator for Akron for many years, a great assistant under Dambrot and a consistent 20+ win and NCAA tournament contender. His wife played basketball at YSU.
It all makes sense.... But Strollo and Co. will screw it up somehow I'm sure.
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Chief, where do we sign up? I would take Rick McFadden right now. Been part of a winning program at Akron, he knows NE Ohio, has connections.
He appears to be an assistant coach on the way up.
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Slocum was making 135K. Raising the pay to 150k won't really help that much as far as attracting a talented, national pool of applicants. Which is exactly why McFadden makes perfect sense. He will come here for that money because of his local ties and the opportunity to run his own program. It does not hurt that we actually have two players coming back (hopefully) that are worth something, so he would have some foundation. But would any of you be willing to bet that our athletic director even gives this guy an interview?
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I wound not bet on the two players coming back!
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I'm telling you, if you offered the job to Rick McFadden he would take it.
Ties to this area obviously being from Struthers. He's been the recruiting coordinator for Akron for many years, a great assistant under Dambrot and a consistent 20+ win and NCAA tournament contender. His wife played basketball at YSU.
It all makes sense.... But Strollo and Co. will screw it up somehow I'm sure.
I know someone on the inside of the Akron basketball program and he said McFadden is begging for the YSU job. Hopefully it'll be his pretty soon.
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I'm telling you, if you offered the job to Rick McFadden he would take it.
Ties to this area obviously being from Struthers. He's been the recruiting coordinator for Akron for many years, a great assistant under Dambrot and a consistent 20+ win and NCAA tournament contender. His wife played basketball at YSU.
It all makes sense.... But Strollo and Co. will screw it up somehow I'm sure.
I know someone on the inside of the Akron basketball program and he said McFadden is begging for the YSU job. Hopefully it'll be his pretty soon.
Yeah, I've heard the same thing. He wants to be here. Jerry looks and sounds like he'd rather be down in florida retired on the beach.
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I'm telling you, if you offered the job to Rick McFadden he would take it.
Ties to this area obviously being from Struthers. He's been the recruiting coordinator for Akron for many years, a great assistant under Dambrot and a consistent 20+ win and NCAA tournament contender. His wife played basketball at YSU.
It all makes sense.... But Strollo and Co. will screw it up somehow I'm sure.
I know someone on the inside of the Akron basketball program and he said McFadden is begging for the YSU job. Hopefully it'll be his pretty soon.
?? You would fire Slocum for a career back-up?? Struthers? Who cares? Robic and Slocum hail from basketball parts of America. Hire him ...Then what is going to happen, we get a natural short-term bump in a year or 2 simply because of the change & then it is misery once again. No thanks. We are a D1 program & I want someone better than what we have and "it ain't comin' for no $150k a year".
PS. Dean Hood is the considered the father of the 3-3-5 hybrid defense that is used all over the NFL today and we would have been lucky to have him as a DC or HC. (note I said DC). Do you realize how many big time collegiate and NFL teams visited him annually? He finished 1st or 2nd in the OVC in 5 of his 7-years (as HC) at EKU. Once under coach T (his first-year) and a couple of years under Heacock were the only times we have ever seen that. BTW, stop talking about the level of competition within other conferences. The level of competition within the OVC is just as good as the MVFC, the conference just does not have quite the bottom as the MVFC. Furthermore, Hood was a fantastic recruiter at Wake Forest.
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1AA your comments are hilarious. Slocum was a disaster, and F grade during his time year. Why not an assistant who has been successful and part of a winning program a chance. Most, if not many great head coaches worked their way up as assistants at quality programs.
Anyone, and I mean anyone would be an upgrade from a coach whose teams play NO defense, and he is also a miserable SOB.
As for Hood, are you serious? His claim to fame is recruiting at Wake Forest? That football program is lousy, even in a good year, they struggle to get to .500 and they play in a meaningless bowl game. If Hood were any good, why didn't get another head coaching job?
As for competition, the MVC is the Big 10, and the OVC is the MAC. They had one good team last year, Jacksonville State, and YSU buried them on their home field in the playoffs. When has an OVC team made a run at a National Title on gone deep in the playoffs?
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I don't have an opinion on MBB coaches, but the question of hiring an assistant or hiring only experienced HC is silly. What happens if Army didn't hire an unknown assistant from Indiana as HC back in 1975? Yea, one Mike Krzyzewski He had a good teacher in coach Knight and a connection to Army. Seems to me that kind of parallels McFadden in a smaller scale. We don't have much to sell in MBB at YSU. Years of losing, and bottom tier payroll, so you don't draw the "hot" coaches.
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The level of competition within the OVC is just as good as the MVFC
LOL! I'm now convinced you say outrageous stuff to increase traffic and provoke discussion. Like this OVC thing, is so outlandish it's absolutely hilarious! ;D
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Regarding Hood, you absolutely never hire someone fired from an inferior institution. NFW. It is risky to even hire someone who succeeded at an inferior institution (like Slocum) due to the Peter principle. McFadden comes from a successful program in a higher RPI conference, and better yet, he is their recruiting coordinator. Unless he takes up a drug habit or something bizarre happens, the expectation is he'll continue his success at YSU.
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Regarding Hood, you absolutely never hire someone fired from an inferior institution. NFW. It is risky to even hire someone who succeeded at an inferior institution (like Slocum) due to the Peter principle. McFadden comes from a successful program in a higher RPI conference, and better yet, he is their recruiting coordinator. Unless he takes up a drug habit or something bizarre happens, the expectation is he'll continue his success at YSU.
I did here he told the ABJ that he was thinking of trying cocaine. (That ought to fire up the already fired up IAA!)
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I'm telling you, if you offered the job to Rick McFadden he would take it.
Ties to this area obviously being from Struthers. He's been the recruiting coordinator for Akron for many years, a great assistant under Dambrot and a consistent 20+ win and NCAA tournament contender. His wife played basketball at YSU.
It all makes sense.... But Strollo and Co. will screw it up somehow I'm sure.
I know someone on the inside of the Akron basketball program and he said McFadden is begging for the YSU job. Hopefully it'll be his pretty soon.
?? You would fire Slocum for a career back-up?? Struthers? Who cares? Robic and Slocum hail from basketball parts of America. Hire him ...Then what is going to happen, we get a natural short-term bump in a year or 2 simply because of the change & then it is misery once again. No thanks. We are a D1 program & I want someone better than what we have and "it ain't comin' for no $150k a year".
PS. Dean Hood is the considered the father of the 3-3-5 hybrid defense that is used all over the NFL today and we would have been lucky to have him as a DC or HC. (note I said DC). Do you realize how many big time collegiate and NFL teams visited him annually? He finished 1st or 2nd in the OVC in 5 of his 7-years (as HC) at EKU. Once under coach T (his first-year) and a couple of years under Heacock were the only times we have ever seen that. BTW, stop talking about the level of competition within other conferences. The level of competition within the OVC is just as good as the MVFC, the conference just does not have quite the bottom as the MVFC. Furthermore, Hood was a fantastic recruiter at Wake Forest.
What does Dean Hood have to do with anything basketball ??? We have Bo Pelini, dear lord. Some of the comments you make on here are ridiculous. Hood was an average coach at an average program in an average conference. He's now an assistant coach at wait for it.... Charlotte!!!
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Slocum and all assistants need to go. Cancerous. The program is literally dead.
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I'm telling you, if you offered the job to Rick McFadden he would take it.
Ties to this area obviously being from Struthers. He's been the recruiting coordinator for Akron for many years, a great assistant under Dambrot and a consistent 20+ win and NCAA tournament contender. His wife played basketball at YSU.
It all makes sense.... But Strollo and Co. will screw it up somehow I'm sure.
I know someone on the inside of the Akron basketball program and he said McFadden is begging for the YSU job. Hopefully it'll be his pretty soon.
?? You would fire Slocum for a career back-up?? Struthers? Who cares? Robic and Slocum hail from basketball parts of America. Hire him ...Then what is going to happen, we get a natural short-term bump in a year or 2 simply because of the change & then it is misery once again. No thanks. We are a D1 program & I want someone better than what we have and "it ain't comin' for no $150k a year".
PS. Dean Hood is the considered the father of the 3-3-5 hybrid defense that is used all over the NFL today and we would have been lucky to have him as a DC or HC. (note I said DC). Do you realize how many big time collegiate and NFL teams visited him annually? He finished 1st or 2nd in the OVC in 5 of his 7-years (as HC) at EKU. Once under coach T (his first-year) and a couple of years under Heacock were the only times we have ever seen that. BTW, stop talking about the level of competition within other conferences. The level of competition within the OVC is just as good as the MVFC, the conference just does not have quite the bottom as the MVFC. Furthermore, Hood was a fantastic recruiter at Wake Forest.
What does Dean Hood have to do with anything basketball ??? We have Bo Pelini, dear lord. Some of the comments you make on here are ridiculous. Hood was an average coach at an average program in an average conference. He's now an assistant coach at wait for it.... Charlotte!!!
Dean Hood is on Strollo's short list to replace Jerry.
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Slocum and all assistants need to go. Cancerous. The program is literally dead.
OK, finally a fight I can get motivated to wage! LITERALLY DEAD? Hey HATERS, doesn't anybody have a clue what "literal" means? Webster: adhering to fact, free from exaggeration or embellishment.
The MBB program at YSU may be FIGURATIVELY DEAD, but it is most definitely NOT literally dead! That is an insult to the fine young men (and women if they have female trainers etc.) working very hard in the program.
They are literally ALIVE and in need of a little support once in a while!
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The level of competition within the OVC is just as good as the MVFC
LOL! I'm now convinced you say outrageous stuff to increase traffic and provoke discussion. Like this OVC thing, is so outlandish it's absolutely hilarious! ;D
Put YSU football in the OVC and we recruit the EXACT SAME kids. No better, maybe worse. That is the absolute truth and you know it. There is nothing you can say that would convince anyone with an ounce of football brains any different.
Akron is a semi credible program from the MAC, they experience minor success and suddenly they are great. You are "Youngstown blind". Forget what city they are from & look at the nothing resume. You would think that with 12-years of MAC experience he would have even been given a HC job; has he even been mentioned for one outside of a few posters on a YSU chat board? You guys crack me up. You think because you say something it has to be so. If they hail from Youngstown, let's just hire them.
Furthermore, do you think we even get a whiff of the back end of Bo Pelini's dinner digestion had he not screwed up and fell from grace? He is $500k to $750 a-year (plus endorsements) coach.
Riddle me this batman ...in the 8 years that Bob Huggins was the HC at Akron, his worst season was 26 wins. So how many times do you think they made the NCAA tournament? (clue it is a whole number higher than zero, but less than 2). So of course YSU admin has just no idea what they are doing. Seems to me they know quite a bit.
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You guys are driving me crazy. Mixing FB and MBB and coach salaries and Huggins tournament appearances etc. I can't follow your points so I can't agree or disagree.
I'm out, maybe until spring practice starts if you guys don't make any more sense than the last couple days!
Remember, recruiting is all about the head coach. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. Conference? Doesn't matter. Climate? Doesn't matter. Facilities? Doesn't matter. Head Coach? Matters.
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The level of competition within the OVC is just as good as the MVFC
LOL! I'm now convinced you say outrageous stuff to increase traffic and provoke discussion. Like this OVC thing, is so outlandish it's absolutely hilarious! ;D
Put YSU football in the OVC and we recruit the EXACT SAME kids. No better, maybe worse. That is the absolute truth and you know it. There is nothing you can say that would convince anyone with an ounce of football brains any different.
Akron is a semi credible program from the MAC, they experience minor success and suddenly they are great. You are "Youngstown blind". Forget what city they are from & look at the nothing resume. You would think that with 12-years of MAC experience he would have even been given a HC job; has he even been mentioned for one outside of a few posters on a YSU chat board? You guys crack me up. You think because you say something it has to be so. If they hail from Youngstown, let's just hire them.
Furthermore, do you think we even get a whiff of the back end of Bo Pelini's dinner digestion had he not screwed up and fell from grace? He is $500k to $750 a-year (plus endorsements) coach.
Riddle me this batman ...in the 8 years that Bob Huggins was the HC at Akron, his worst season was 26 wins. So how many times do you think they made the NCAA tournament? (clue it is a whole number higher than zero, but less than 2). So of course YSU admin has just no idea what they are doing. Seems to me they know quite a bit.
Your initial claim was, "The level of competition within the OVC is just as good as the MVFC." A look at Sagarin and Massey conference ratings, or post-season history will quickly put that little fake news gem to bed.
IDK why you bring up Huggins, who left Akron in the 80s. If anything it reinforces the point that Akron MBB can and has produced quality MBB HCs. Currently, with McFadden as the recruiting coordinator, Akron has been in either the dance or NIT four times since 2011. We'd be fortunate to have someone with that resume here.
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You guys are driving me crazy. Mixing FB and MBB and coach salaries and Huggins tournament appearances etc. I can't follow your points so I can't agree or disagree.
I'm out, maybe until spring practice starts if you guys don't make any more sense than the last couple days!
Remember, recruiting is all about the head coach. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. Conference? Doesn't matter. Climate? Doesn't matter. Facilities? Doesn't matter. Head Coach? Matters.
Conference and facilities matter very much so now a days.
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Hey Nation,
Jerry is 3-15 in the Horizon League Tourney in his career. Is that good ? ;)
We are the only school to not win the HL tournament besides Oakland and Northern Kentucky who just joined recently so I don't even count them yet. We are a laughing stock of a program. Ask around...
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Let's try to get this thread back on the original topic. The reality is that we can not pay a new coach anymore than 150k. So that limits us to two types of applicants, a successful D3 head coach and a DI assistant from a successful mid-major program. I favor the latter because there is too much risk that the D3 head guy will be out of his element against higher competition (see Slocum transition from D2 Gannon to YSU.) Is there any DI mid-major assistant with stronger credentials than McFadden who would want this job? Maybe, but I doubt it.
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YSU needs to target someone likes this.
http://athletics.lycoming.edu/coaches.aspx?rc=928&path=mbball
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In 2013, FGCU MBB went to the Sweet 16 under Andy Enfield. That year he was paid $157,500.
His successor, the current MBB HC, Joe Dooley, took a pay cut in order to have the opportunity to be a D1 MBB HC. He signed a 5 year contract for $225k/year.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/atlanticsun/2013/04/17/joe-dooley-florida-gulf-coast-coach/2091229/
These aren't figures that remote from YSU's. The FGCU atheltic budget is actually far less than YSU's, and from data I found and put in another thread, the MBB budget was LESS a few years ago for FGCU than it is for YSU now.
YSU found the funding for FCOA for both MBB and WBB a few years ago. That is 29 FCOA schollies x $3k (average FCOA) = $87k. I suspect they can find additional revenue again if necessary to sign a game changing HC.
The issue isn't money, IMO, its competency.
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You guys are driving me crazy. Mixing FB and MBB and coach salaries and Huggins tournament appearances etc. I can't follow your points so I can't agree or disagree.
I'm out, maybe until spring practice starts if you guys don't make any more sense than the last couple days!
Remember, recruiting is all about the head coach. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. Conference? Doesn't matter. Climate? Doesn't matter. Facilities? Doesn't matter. Head Coach? Matters.
Conference and facilities matter very much so now a days.
A few years ago, I probably would have said the same thing, but HC IS all that matters. Urban Myers wins at BGSU, wins at Utah, wins at FL wins at OSU. Move him to worst facility with worst record in MVFC and within 3-5 years he would win the conference. From '99 on, YSU FB was almost -0- until winning HC arrives and boom, NC game. Did we improve facilities? nope, did we improve conference? nope, did we improve HC? yep. You'd like to think other things matter but it's the HC. Guy at EWU is doing great. He will get better job and they will plunge back to mediocracy. That's the way it is. Case after case.
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The level of competition within the OVC is just as good as the MVFC
LOL! I'm now convinced you say outrageous stuff to increase traffic and provoke discussion. Like this OVC thing, is so outlandish it's absolutely hilarious! ;D
Put YSU football in the OVC and we recruit the EXACT SAME kids. No better, maybe worse. That is the absolute truth and you know it. There is nothing you can say that would convince anyone with an ounce of football brains any different.
Akron is a semi credible program from the MAC, they experience minor success and suddenly they are great. You are "Youngstown blind". Forget what city they are from & look at the nothing resume. You would think that with 12-years of MAC experience he would have even been given a HC job; has he even been mentioned for one outside of a few posters on a YSU chat board? You guys crack me up. You think because you say something it has to be so. If they hail from Youngstown, let's just hire them.
Furthermore, do you think we even get a whiff of the back end of Bo Pelini's dinner digestion had he not screwed up and fell from grace? He is $500k to $750 a-year (plus endorsements) coach.
Riddle me this batman ...in the 8 years that Bob Huggins was the HC at Akron, his worst season was 26 wins. So how many times do you think they made the NCAA tournament? (clue it is a whole number higher than zero, but less than 2). So of course YSU admin has just no idea what they are doing. Seems to me they know quite a bit.
Your initial claim was, "The level of competition within the OVC is just as good as the MVFC." A look at Sagarin and Massey conference ratings, or post-season history will quickly put that little fake news gem to bed.
IDK why you bring up Huggins, who left Akron in the 80s. If anything it reinforces the point that Akron MBB can and has produced quality MBB HCs. Currently, with McFadden as the recruiting coordinator, Akron has been in either the dance or NIT four times since 2011. We'd be fortunate to have someone with that resume here.
Yes and I stand by my claim. the word of choice here is "within". I do not care what they do against anyone else from other conferences. Again I do not see McFadden as any improvement
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YSU needs to target someone likes this.
http://athletics.lycoming.edu/coaches.aspx?rc=928&path=mbball
Very interesting. 1) do you think he could win in the HL with his style ...looks like all offense.
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Has a good track record. Those leagues are physical which is indicative of east coast basketball regardless of division. Recruits in talent rich areas which the current staff has never done?
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Go guins I agree with all you said! Just think Sean Miller interviewed here years ago, can't remember if it was when hired Peters or Robic, what could have been.
After interviewing, MIller pulled name out of consideration the next day.
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It is just that he seemed to start at a small college court-level assistant, then HC at a JUCO in John Jay, then moved up (in division) to an operations job at Florida State, then a court-level assistant at Stoneybrook, then back down to DIII where he is now. His moves down in division seem to be for HC positions, which is a positive.
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4 games left for Jerry.
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I do not see YSU simply dismissing him and finalizing it with an open-palmed "that's that" after he leaves. Coach Slocum knows what he has had to do and he has done it. We all should know by now that Jerry Slocum is part of YSU's culture ...most all of you have said so. He is a senior coach & confidant to the program and the university would be absolutely foolish to abruptly end something that would tarnish the university's image of themselves, the local community, and the athletic community. Having Jerry Slocum leave his post after many faithful years of service is a major event. If for resilience alone, he needs to be honored ...he is what in his mid-60's? Failing to honor coach Slocum would be like YSU slapping themselves, the next coach (and all of us) in the face.
With that being said, as in the game itself, transition (if there is going to be any) is important. I have been a businessman for some years now and employees leave for 2 reasons ...1) on their own initiative and 2) because they have been asked to do so. Now when an employee leaves on their own, it is either because they found something else, or they retire. Jerry Slocum has forgotten more about sports and sports administration than any of us will ever know and we could use him to insure a proper successor. We made the mistake of not doing that with DiGregorio and it cost us a couple bad years that Ed might have guided us away from. I am not saying the funds are there to pay coach Slocum and a HC; but at least see if he will stay until everything is stable. He becomes especially valuable should we dig down into the lower divisions for an upstart. I am not sure of his relationship with the administration, perhaps a couple year contract as an assistant AD?
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What has Slocum done for us to honor and give a crap ? Sports is a business. A tough business. You don't win ? Goodbye.
I'm tired of him talking about how his teams don't play defense and throwing players under the bus...
It's HIS team. He recruits these kids, he coaches them every single day.
Fun note: There are 347 DI basketball teams. YSU is 336th in scoring defense allowing 83 points a game.
Time to go Jerry. Thanks for mediocrity.
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I wouldn't describe Jerry as mediocre, since "mediocre" implies being average. Unless Jerry wins another game in the few that remain, he will actually have an HL record below 0.300. Well below average. The only exceptional thing about the last 12 years is that he stayed 12 years.....due to an equally inept AD.
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I do not see YSU simply dismissing him and finalizing it with an open-palmed "that's that" after he leaves. Coach Slocum knows what he has had to do and he has done it. We all should know by now that Jerry Slocum is part of YSU's culture ...most all of you have said so. He is a senior coach & confidant to the program and the university would be absolutely foolish to abruptly end something that would tarnish the university's image of themselves, the local community, and the athletic community. Having Jerry Slocum leave his post after many faithful years of service is a major event. If for resilience alone, he needs to be honored ...he is what in his mid-60's? Failing to honor coach Slocum would be like YSU slapping themselves, the next coach (and all of us) in the face.
With that being said, as in the game itself, transition (if there is going to be any) is important. I have been a businessman for some years now and employees leave for 2 reasons ...1) on their own initiative and 2) because they have been asked to do so. Now when an employee leaves on their own, it is either because they found something else, or they retire. Jerry Slocum has forgotten more about sports and sports administration than any of us will ever know and we could use him to insure a proper successor. We made the mistake of not doing that with DiGregorio and it cost us a couple bad years that Ed might have guided us away from. I am not saying the funds are there to pay coach Slocum and a HC; but at least see if he will stay until everything is stable. He becomes especially valuable should we dig down into the lower divisions for an upstart. I am not sure of his relationship with the administration, perhaps a couple year contract as an assistant AD?
Wow, I must be missing something here. He was a decent D2 coach, still might be a decent D2 coach. Has had a long time to prove his worth at the D1 level and has not.
Thank him for his time and effort, throw him a party, get his key to the building and keep him as far away as possible from the selection process for the next guy. If we had the money to create a position for him in the AD department, which we do not, it would be better spent on the next guy.
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Wow, I must be missing something here. He was a decent D2 coach, still might be a decent D2 coach. Has had a long time to prove his worth at the D1 level and has not.
Thank him for his time and effort, throw him a party, get his key to the building and keep him as far away as possible from the selection process for the next guy. If we had the money to create a position for him in the AD department, which we do not, it would be better spent on the next guy.
Yes you do honor a man with that service and yes his ability at D2 is exactly why I said he can be valuable. Nation and Chief just hate anything YSU that is not something with it's tail between his legs.
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Wow, I must be missing something here. He was a decent D2 coach, still might be a decent D2 coach. Has had a long time to prove his worth at the D1 level and has not.
Thank him for his time and effort, throw him a party, get his key to the building and keep him as far away as possible from the selection process for the next guy. If we had the money to create a position for him in the AD department, which we do not, it would be better spent on the next guy.
Yes you do honor a man with that service and yes his ability at D2 is exactly why I said he can be valuable. Nation and Chief just hate anything YSU that is not something with it's tail between his legs.
No, I want this basketball program to succeed, not be sub-par which you and the administration seem to enjoy.
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Wow, I must be missing something here. He was a decent D2 coach, still might be a decent D2 coach. Has had a long time to prove his worth at the D1 level and has not.
Thank him for his time and effort, throw him a party, get his key to the building and keep him as far away as possible from the selection process for the next guy. If we had the money to create a position for him in the AD department, which we do not, it would be better spent on the next guy.
Yes you do honor a man with that service and yes his ability at D2 is exactly why I said he can be valuable. Nation and Chief just hate anything YSU that is not something with it's tail between his legs.
No, I want this basketball program to succeed, not be sub-par which you and the administration seem to enjoy.
and that has what to do with honoring your long-time coach?
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Wow, I must be missing something here. He was a decent D2 coach, still might be a decent D2 coach. Has had a long time to prove his worth at the D1 level and has not.
Thank him for his time and effort, throw him a party, get his key to the building and keep him as far away as possible from the selection process for the next guy. If we had the money to create a position for him in the AD department, which we do not, it would be better spent on the next guy.
Yes you do honor a man with that service and yes his ability at D2 is exactly why I said he can be valuable. Nation and Chief just hate anything YSU that is not something with it's tail between his legs.
No, I want this basketball program to succeed, not be sub-par which you and the administration seem to enjoy.
and that has what to do with honoring your long-time coach?
He was paid in full for time served, so longevity (which was undeserved) is nothing to honor.
What specific accomplishment would you honor?
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Wow, I must be missing something here. He was a decent D2 coach, still might be a decent D2 coach. Has had a long time to prove his worth at the D1 level and has not.
Thank him for his time and effort, throw him a party, get his key to the building and keep him as far away as possible from the selection process for the next guy. If we had the money to create a position for him in the AD department, which we do not, it would be better spent on the next guy.
Yes you do honor a man with that service and yes his ability at D2 is exactly why I said he can be valuable. Nation and Chief just hate anything YSU that is not something with it's tail between his legs.
No, I want this basketball program to succeed, not be sub-par which you and the administration seem to enjoy.
and that has what to do with honoring your long-time coach?
He was paid in full for time served, so longevity (which was undeserved) is nothing to honor.
What specific accomplishment would you honor?
Obviously you will never know. Just keep spitting.
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Yes you do honor a man with that service and yes his ability at D2 is exactly why I said he can be valuable. Nation and Chief just hate anything YSU that is not something with it's tail between his legs.
No, I want this basketball program to succeed, not be sub-par which you and the administration seem to enjoy.
and that has what to do with honoring your long-time coach?
He was paid in full for time served, so longevity (which was undeserved) is nothing to honor.
What specific accomplishment would you honor?
Obviously you will never know. Just keep spitting.
Highest player attrition rate?
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Hey Nation,
Jerry is 3-15 in the Horizon League Tourney in his career. Is that good ? ;)
We are the only school to not win the HL tournament besides Oakland and Northern Kentucky who just joined recently so I don't even count them yet. We are a laughing stock of a program. Ask around...
Exactly, since the year Jerry took over, every team in the HL has been to the dance minus YSU, UIC, and NKU. NKU just joined D1 as a full member last year. UIC was in the year before Slocum in 2004.
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Happy for the Seniors getting a win in their final home game.
3 games left for Jerry.
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Not only have we not been to the dance, we have never even made it to the finals of the conference tournament, and may not have made it to the semifinals.
I have heard that Tressel has signed off on firing Slocum, it will be called a resignation, Strollo wanted this done last year. I also hear Slocum has been stubborn and expects to be back and will not call this a retirement.
Slocum has been a complete disaster, period.
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The debt has been eliminated, but money remains extremely tight in all areas of the university. We simply can not continue to lose money on basketball, the one DI sport where you should be able to make at least a little over the course of a year. How many times this year have there actually been 1,000 paying customers in our gym? I would say once....on that day in December when people came to meet the football team.
Love Slocum or hate Slocum, the status quo is not sustainable.
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2 games left for Jerry.
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Thank goodness. Only 1 game left for Jerry.
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Embarrassing. It will be a travesty if he has not fired
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I was at the game today. Definitely outplated, but did have a few head shaking calls go against us. Walking off the court at halftime Slocum and a YSU assistant coach were going at it with one of the officials. I don't blame Slocum for the T. That said, why can't we sweep a team? We beat them in the first matchup, almost guaranteed loss in rematch.
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Since moving to Rocky River I haven't seen the team play til yesterday..the lack of hustle was appaling to me...it didn't even appear that they had any division 1 talent at all...the program has fallen off the edge of the earth and needs a blood transfusion...what has any of Slocum teams hung their hat on? What style of ball does typifies his recruits? This program needs a coach that recruits a bunch of 6'5 athletic kids and just run 94 feet of constant pressure...kids today relate to it and we have never been able to recruit good post players anyway...it can be done with a young aggressive coach that recruits in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit and Cincinnati...just hire someone that hangs his hat on constant pressure and turn this darn thing around for good
.it can and should be our goal as a program
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That is what we used to do with Slocum bags ...everyone complained about lack of a big guy and our inability to score. This years it seems as though we flipped.
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Slocum is done, and long overdue. His teams have been among the worst defensively in points allowed most years. He is a joke. Players have turned him out. Yes, the program has fallen off the face of the earth, all time low.
He also seems to have lost any fire that he once had.
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The new coach must come from outside the current staff...Coach Wernicki is a good guy but to turn this thing around we need new recruiting contacts...be it Rick McFadden or a young guy from a lower division we do need someone completely new. Sure we can't pay competitively but there has to be someone itching for the opportunity to coach at a D1 level. The easy way out is elevating Wericki but it's time to do this right
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Wernicki has no shot at this job. Promoting from a failed staff will never be considered. McFadden I am sure will get an interview, but YSU needs to do its homework and see what is out there.
I talked with a successful D-2 coach earlier this year. He said YSU's facilities are what is holding them back. Beeghly Center is old and antiquated, and kids, especially today want to play in a state of the art arena.
We see it n football, Stambaugh Stadium one of the best at FCS level.
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Wernicki has no shot at this job. Promoting from a failed staff will never be considered. McFadden I am sure will get an interview, but YSU needs to do its homework and see what is out there.
I talked with a successful D-2 coach earlier this year. He said YSU's facilities are what is holding them back. Beeghly Center is old and antiquated, and kids, especially today want to play in a state of the art arena.
We see it n football, Stambaugh Stadium one of the best at FCS level.
While you may be accurate to a minor level, in many respects I disagree. Get the right coach; you'll get the right players. It's ALL ABOUT THE HEAD COACH.
While the Ice Castle was once at the very top of FCS football, as time passes by, so do other stadia. We play in a league with 3 indoor facilities, so no ice castle games in NDSU, SD, NIU, and are adding a 4th in NDU. Plus many FCS programs have blown by Stambaugh Stadium since it was built. JMU has maybe the best overall facility in FCS plus places like Jacksonville State and EWU from last year’s playoff run are superior to YSU.
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Some of you talk about things that cannot be done & furthermore ...I do not want to see them done. Time to be realistic. Our facility is fine. I have been to many of the MAC schools and some of these are FAR worse than YSU. Look at Butler ..successful & nothing but a large HS gym. They built history around it and now no one wants any changes. Indiana kids all get pumped from the movie Hoosiers in which it was featured. I do not want to be a top MBB program ...sorry it is is basketball and there is only so much $$$ to go around. There are the big-3 sports (Football, Baseball and Basketball). Well there is your order for me and the school was just about to scrap baseball for a basketball program? I mean we are in a power area for prep baseball ...absolutely zero local basketball (boys). I mean the school we recruit with most directly (for baseball) just had two CWS appearances. A school only 20-miles away. They also have a traditionally good MBB program but have been an absolute nothing in football except for a couple of years when 2 of our former coaches were with the program. So do you want to be like Kent?
Then there are other sports where we have a good shot at performing at a higher level. As you can see from past performances as to basketball...WBB is more important than MBB. We stand a chance to recruit coaches, players and major home games in our current budget. You just had both men's and women's track win the HL; what is that ...over 20 in the past 10-years? Our baseball program plays in a better facility than anyone in the conference and we stand a chance to get major programs to play here, at least in the late season ...something that will not happen with MBB. Look at your new bowling program having success already. Tennis (especially ladies) has been able to bring in Europeans and win big. Golf is having a huge resurgence in the Valley and at YSU. Just too many things that have priority over MBB.
We have 3 choices for a coach next year...coach Slocum, internal hire, or external hire. So let's start with Slocum's contract situation. Has anyone figured out if this year is his final extension or was he given a new contract for this year? If the latter, your questions are answered.
Then there are expectation terms. Be at or above .500 in the HL, or overall. Maintain 980APR, graduate players within 7-years, maintain 980APR, etc. It is not unfair to place these types of requirements (if reasonable) on any coach. However, a brand new coach will be on his second contract before any serious expectations can be put in place. Is this the solution? Only if we are lucky.
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IAA I usually agree with you on most points. For instance you are right on about facilities. Good grief, Kent and Bowling Green are dumps. But when you get apologetic on me, I drift away. While there are universities where one sport dominates at the expense of others, by-in-large sports are very independent. IE, Florida wins national championships when they have Urban Meyer coaching FB. Florida wins national championships when they have Billy Donavan coaching MBB. When the coaches move on, they don’t win national championships. It wasn’t because women’s golf or track took away attention. You are being an apologist for people who need to be able to stand alone on their performance. We have $42,000,000 in state tax dollars going to YSU and a significant amount of that is going to subsidies NCAA athletics. I consider university athletics to be a significant marketing programs for any university. Successful athletic programs make successful marketing efforts. Losing programs make for less effective marketing. YSU MBB is clearly a very weak link in the athletic marketing effort. Therefore, its level must be raised. Clearly the HC is the key to ANY and ALL athletic endeavors. Frankly, a change in MBB HC is called for.
I do agree that "outside" is called for in a new coach and for me, a successful, lower level coach moving up is the way to go.
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I agree that the seating in Beeghly is terrible, and that might turn off some recruits. But Akron and Kent have worse facilities, actually far worse, and they have done just fine over the past several decades. It is all about the head coach. Good coaches recruit well and win; poor coaches lose.
The ultimate question is this: can we entice anybody with strong credentials to take this job? There will be no transfer of football money to basketball. There will be, minus a private benefactor, no major upgrade for Beeghly.
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I agree that the seating in Beeghly is terrible, and that might turn off some recruits. But Akron and Kent have worse facilities, actually far worse, and they have done just fine over the past several decades. It is all about the head coach. Good coaches recruit well and win; poor coaches lose.
The ultimate question is this: can we entice anybody with strong credentials to take this job? There will be no transfer of football money to basketball. There will be, minus a private benefactor, no major upgrade for Beeghly.
I agree, it's the HC. There is no football money to basketball. There is only income and expense and you need to spend money to make money. I don't care about seating. Good grief, we are way above average facalities for second tier and lower MBB programs. Athletics is marketing. FB T&F WBB (injuries killed a promising season this year) golf, are pulling their weight, MBB is not.
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I still believe men's basketball would return more bang for the buck if we could get the right stuff in here to succeed....one crummy NCAA appearance would reap more $$ than football ever could...the arena doesn't hold us back...thw recruiting budget and coaches salaries do...however ..Jerry had it much better things here than Gannon and I'll always remember how Dan Peters told me how much better it was here than whete he came from and that was before the remodel of the locker rooms..trust me on this ..its all about who you play for at our level...Butler was junk until Thad Matta...simeone somewhere is thirsting for this job and we need to find him
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Beeghly is nothing but a glorified high school gym. How much money does YSU pay annually to play home baseball at Eastwood Field (12 miles away)? If a profit could be made I would rather invest money to play home games at the Covelli Centre, even if it's a little smaller then Beeghly it looks like a real arena. Covelli would make an excellent recruiting tool. But YSU does not want to invest in men's basketball because any success would tarnish our reputation as a "football school."
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Beeghly is nothing but a glorified high school gym. How much money does YSU pay annually to play home baseball at Eastwood Field (12 miles away)? If a profit could be made I would rather invest money to play home games at the Covelli Centre, even if it's a little smaller then Beeghly it looks like a real arena. Covelli would make an excellent recruiting tool. But YSU does not want to invest in men's basketball because any success would tarnish our reputation as a "football school."
"Beeghly is nothing but a glorified high school gym."
Too some extent all areas are glorifed high school gyms if they don't have loges and beer sales.While arguable true, the comment is irrelevelant if you are competeing with Kent, Akron, Bowling Green et. al. I'd stack Beeghly against any of them. Buffalo has a realitively new building but their old place was down right scary!
"If a profit could be made I would rather invest money to play home games at the Covelli Centre"
That's a BIG "if" Nick. MBB don't make money at most schools and if you rent off campus you eliminate most students and raise you costs. Maybe Covelli "looks" better, but that doesn't fix a damn thing money wise.
If we have to pay for a coach, they pay, but this stuff about moving etc. doesn't make any sense to me.
"But YSU does not want to invest in men's basketball because any success would tarnish our reputation as a "football school." Too dumb to honor with a comment.
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You make some good points, but the idea is to get sports ON campus ...not move to Covelli. That is why they moved softball. They had no choice but to build a new women's facility for soccer ...the money was there and we needed to take it or lose it.
Go I am not apologizing. Heck I am actually in favor keeping Slocum with tougher terms. We cannot do that with anyone else, not even Wernicki ...it just would not be fair. What I am saying is that all of these new sports (most of which are women's) take budget away from MBB.
Then there are those on this board who would not even offer a public "thank you" to a retiring Slocum & think that such a slap in the face would go unnoticed by any potential replacement? everything has it's price.
I happen to like baseball far more than any other sport ...probably even football and certainly basketball. Funny how no one says a word when a team drops football for financial reasons. Yet we cannot drop MBB as it would cause a civil liberties lawsuit. However it not a cheap sport anymore.
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IAA, I disagree with you about Slocum, it's time to go. Keeping Slocum with "tougher terms" is bullsh**. What would you do: "Jerry, you MUST win +50% of your games or get fired"? If the guy isn't giving his full effort to winning 50% now, he should be fired. If he is giving an effort and is winning 35% or whatever, then he should be fired. Either case, one answer.
I simply don't believe we have siphoned off money from MBB to fund women's bowling or whatever. If that is the case then everybody involved, including JT, should be fired. I don't have off-hand numbers for spending on MBB, but overall the spending for sports has climbed every year for more than 10 while overall university spending has gone down recently.
I also believe your dropping football going without comment, but dropping MBB causing an uproar is naive at best. Start a rumor about dropping FB and see what happens.
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I have never bought into the "Football v. Basketball" concept. The best time ever for YSU sports was the 1997-98 academic year. National championship for football, conference championship and win over Memphis in the NCAA tournament for women's basketball, and appearance in the conference final for men's basketball. But within five years, all three coaches were gone and the hard times began. Football and both basketball programs tanked under poor leadership. It was not money or the distribution of the money, it was the quality of the coaching. Heacock and Wolford. Stroia, Robic, and Slocum. Hill and Martin. Only the arrival of Boldon/Barnes and Pelini restored those programs. Men's basketball remains a black hole, and it will stay that way until the proper guy is found.
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On his sportscast this evening, Dana Balash (tv21) reported that the university can pick up or decline an option on Slocum for next season. Deadline for the action on that option is April 1.
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Could the facilities at Beeghly be better, sure, but that is not the problem. If we were winning 25 plus games a year the place would be full and no one would be talking about the bench seats.
Track, bowling and such are doing great and that should impress us all, but only three sports are in a position to "make" money; WBB MBB and FB.
Go out and find a young John Wooden, enjoy a three to four year ride before he is snatched away by a bigtime program and then do it again. I doubt we will ever be a destination for a proven coach but we can have a nice run by being a stepping stone if we find the right hires.
fill all those empty bench seats and BB will pay for itself and more.
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Could the facilities at Beeghly be better, sure, but that is not the problem. If we were winning 25 plus games a year the place would be full and no one would be talking about the bench seats.
Track, bowling and such are doing great and that should impress us all, but only three sports are in a position to "make" money; WBB MBB and FB.
Go out and find a young John Wooden, enjoy a three to four year ride before he is snatched away by a bigtime program and then do it again. I doubt we will ever be a destination for a proven coach but we can have a nice run by being a stepping stone if we find the right hires.
fill all those empty bench seats and BB will pay for itself and more.
I would rather be sitting on the hard old bench watching us wining games than sitting on a fancy seat watching Slocum losing games. Let us get our priority right.
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Could the facilities at Beeghly be better, sure, but that is not the problem. If we were winning 25 plus games a year the place would be full and no one would be talking about the bench seats.
Track, bowling and such are doing great and that should impress us all, but only three sports are in a position to "make" money; WBB MBB and FB.
Go out and find a young John Wooden, enjoy a three to four year ride before he is snatched away by a bigtime program and then do it again. I doubt we will ever be a destination for a proven coach but we can have a nice run by being a stepping stone if we find the right hires.
fill all those empty bench seats and BB will pay for itself and more.
I would rather be sitting on the hard old bench watching us wining games than sitting on a fancy seat watching Slocum losing games. Let us get our priority right.
Amen!
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If I am not mistaken, Bowling Green has a brand new arena. That said, I was at the game versus CSU at the Wolstein Center. ... a building that CSU wants to tear down snice the size doesn't fit them, and the building is 25 years old. The video board was no longer working, and in my opinion our pep bad is way better than CSU's. I know I am biased, but I would take a game at Beeghly over the Wolstein Center, albeit the bleachers.
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YSU needs to remodel Beeghly. While being remodeled play a year at the Coveli center. New coach and remodel will go long way. Need funds for remodel I understand. Arena has seen better days. Its dated and is like going back to the 1970's with those bleachers.
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I have never bought into the "Football v. Basketball" concept. The best time ever for YSU sports was the 1997-98 academic year. National championship for football, conference championship and win over Memphis in the NCAA tournament for women's basketball, and appearance in the conference final for men's basketball. But within five years, all three coaches were gone and the hard times began. Football and both basketball programs tanked under poor leadership. It was not money or the distribution of the money, it was the quality of the coaching. Heacock and Wolford. Stroia, Robic, and Slocum. Hill and Martin. Only the arrival of Boldon/Barnes and Pelini restored those programs. Men's basketball remains a black hole, and it will stay that way until the proper guy is found.
I agree 100% (except we are a university, so it should be "until right person is found")
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Duquesne University had ugly bleachers just like YSU and got rid of them and put in seats. You lose some #’s but it looks much nicer.
See the picture: http://www.goduquesne.com/facilities/duqu-facil-palumbo.html
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Where is the money going to come for this ? Who would want to donate for a loser basketball program that makes no money right now ? We are talking many years down the road for this to happen. Price tag would be big. Get rid of Jerry first.
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Where is the money going to come for this ? Who would want to donate for a loser basketball program that makes no money right now ? We are talking many years down the road for this to happen. Price tag would be big. Get rid of Jerry first.
This is a public, non-profit university, that is to say, money is virtually unlimited. All this crap about money money money all the time makes me laugh. This is a business that has doubled it's endowment fund balance in about 2 years and improved it's bottom line performance by something like $10,000,000 in the same time frame. Plus I'm not sure that JT isn't as good at getting into peoples pockets as he was a football coach. If JT thinks the university would be well served to fire Slocum, he's gone, and if JT thinks it's time to update Beegley, it will be updated. Just as JT thought it was time to fix the slum housing on top of the East side of Stambaugh Statium.
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Where is the money going to come for this ? Who would want to donate for a loser basketball program that makes no money right now ? We are talking many years down the road for this to happen. Price tag would be big. Get rid of Jerry first.
This is a public, non-profit university, that is to say, money is virtually unlimited. All this crap about money money money all the time makes me laugh. This is a business that has doubled it's endowment fund balance in about 2 years and improved it's bottom line performance by something like $10,000,000 in the same time frame. Plus I'm not sure that JT isn't as good at getting into peoples pockets as he was a football coach. If JT thinks the university would be well served to fire Slocum, he's gone, and if JT thinks it's time to update Beegley, it will be updated. Just as JT thought it was time to fix the slum housing on top of the East side of Stambaugh Statium.
The first part is wrong. Public universities are getting funding cut big time. The only reason some things are getting done is because of private donations, which JT and McFadden have done a great job of..
Your last part about the east side press box, why is not done yet this year ? Because they still need more money. So money is not unlimited as you say.
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Where is the money going to come for this ? Who would want to donate for a loser basketball program that makes no money right now ? We are talking many years down the road for this to happen. Price tag would be big. Get rid of Jerry first.
This is a public, non-profit university, that is to say, money is virtually unlimited. All this crap about money money money all the time makes me laugh. This is a business that has doubled it's endowment fund balance in about 2 years and improved it's bottom line performance by something like $10,000,000 in the same time frame. Plus I'm not sure that JT isn't as good at getting into peoples pockets as he was a football coach. If JT thinks the university would be well served to fire Slocum, he's gone, and if JT thinks it's time to update Beegley, it will be updated. Just as JT thought it was time to fix the slum housing on top of the East side of Stambaugh Statium.
The first part is wrong. Public universities are getting funding cut big time. The only reason some things are getting done is because of private donations, which JT and McFadden have done a great job of..
Your last part about the east side press box, why is not done yet this year ? Because they still need more money. So money is not unlimited as you say.
You read and believe the propaganda too much! Every hear anybody besides one of your fellow blogers say the hold up with the East stands was funding?
An even cursory review of the budget will show that state funding went up 3,500,000 last year and another 1,000,000 on top of that this year and the general fund bottom line improved 7,000,000 a year ago, and another 3,500,000 this year. Anything above the state funding increase (3,500,000 last year and 2,500,000 this year) is operational improvement by the current administration. Not to mention the doubling of the endowment fund, which is more than ¼ Billion? PLUS the enrollment is now increasing once again after a decade or so of steady declines.
Trust me, If JT wants new seats, we’ll have new seats. Best day in the last 50 years at least for YSU? The day they hired JT as President. Second best day? The day they hired JT as head football coach!
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On his sportscast this evening, Dana Balash (tv21) reported that the university can pick up or decline an option on Slocum for next season. Deadline for the action on that option is April 1.
Thanks Wick I have been waiting to hear. That means we did offer him a new agreement.
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On his sportscast this evening, Dana Balash (tv21) reported that the university can pick up or decline an option on Slocum for next season. Deadline for the action on that option is April 1.
Thanks Wick I have been waiting to hear. That means we did offer him a new agreement.
I really hope that they have not, but I love the irony of April 1.
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IAA Fan,
Actually, it is exactly what you do not want to hear. There is no new agreement. The option means that the school can extend his contract or just allow it to expire. Think about this as the equivalent of the option that a major league baseball team often places at the conclusion of a veteran's contract. If the team wants the player back, it executes the option. If the team does not want the player back, it declines any action and thus cuts the player loose. In this case, I fully expect that a decision will be rendered well before April 1.
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1AA Fan, Slocum is done, it's over! The Slocum era lasted years longer than it should have. What qualities to do you like about this guy? His 3-15 Horizon League Conference Tournament record, his teams among the worst every year in points allowed??/
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1AA Fan, Slocum is done, it's over! The Slocum era lasted years longer than it should have. What qualities to do you like about this guy? His 3-15 Horizon League Conference Tournament record, his teams among the worst every year in points allowed??/
I'm ambivalent to MBB and it’s head coach, but I believe you are missing the major point of being a college HC when you say "what qualities do you like" and then list accomplishments. When we talk about qualities, we should be looking at the men involved and the affect the HC has had on them, not tournament wins. It's perfectly OK to say "Slocum is a bad guy and a bad coach" or "Slocum is a good guy but a bad coach." But for me, confusing qualities and accomplishments is unfair to the man.
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This is big time D-1 basketball. Ok, let me say it like this, what accomplishments as a head coach over the past 12 years has justified Jerry Slocum being retained as our men's basketball coach?
I could care less if he goes to church, gives to charities, and is a nice guy, and he isn't a nice a guy. The goal at this level is to win, and he has not come close to winning even at a mediocre level.
You think Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh. Rick Pitino and John Calipari are alter boys? But they are successful because they win.
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This is big time D-1 basketball. Ok, let me say it like this, what accomplishments as a head coach over the past 12 years has justified Jerry Slocum being retained as our men's basketball coach?
I could care less if he goes to church, gives to charities, and is a nice guy, and he isn't a nice a guy. The goal at this level is to win, and he has not come close to winning even at a mediocre level.
You think Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh. Rick Pitino and John Calipari are alter boys? But they are successful because they win.
You're the one who brought up qualities and I think going to church is a good quality. My point, obviously wasted on you, was you are asking about qualities, but are clearly only interested in accomplishments. Now you are besmirching the qualities of Meyer, Saban, Harbaugh et. al. without any evidence or substance "because they win." Winning and quality of character are totally separate. Coach K wins AND to every account has great qualities as well. Whatever makes you thing these are mutually exclusive traits, I don’t know and don’t care, but I believe you are wrong. Good grief, how in the world can a YSU fan think winning and high qualities are mutually exclusive when we have the poster boy for high quality AND high accomplishments in JT?
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I am done on this debate after this. I am a Bo Pelini fan, and he has done some very distasteful things, comments that are embarrassing. But we all are on the train since we got to the national title game.
Also, Pitino is a sleaze ball, do a little digging, Harbaugh is a jerk by all accounts, and Meyer is cut throat to win. I could care less, win!
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IAA Fan,
Actually, it is exactly what you do not want to hear. There is no new agreement. The option means that the school can extend his contract or just allow it to expire. Think about this as the equivalent of the option that a major league baseball team often places at the conclusion of a veteran's contract. If the team wants the player back, it executes the option. If the team does not want the player back, it declines any action and thus cuts the player loose. In this case, I fully expect that a decision will be rendered well before April 1.
I do not care either way, the reason I ask is that his contract was in it's final (optional) extension last year. He coached this year if he has an extension, so he had to have received a new agreement in order to have next year as an option. The new agreement must have been 2-years ago.
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I am done on this debate after this. I am a Bo Pelini fan, and he has done some very distasteful things, comments that are embarrassing. But we all are on the train since we got to the national title game.
Also, Pitino is a sleaze ball, do a little digging, Harbaugh is a jerk by all accounts, and Meyer is cut throat to win. I could care less, win!
And you are entitled to your opinion, not matter how little you seem to care about the student athletes that give their all for YSU and the coaches they play for. Bo's language could use a little cleaning up, but I have never heard anything negative involving him and his family, community, or players. I would make the argument he is rude and crude, but having a lot of good qualities. Jerk doesn't necessarily qualify as bad quality, as you say about Harbaugh. Going all out to win is in my mind a good quality. You clearly imply that it is a bad quality in Urban and I disagree with you (yet again), I think JT did everything he knew how to do to win, and did it with class, sticking up for his players, love of family, and giving back to his community. All good qualities accompanying his unquestionable accomplishments.
Good time for you to end the thread, as the English language, a superior intellect seems to have the better of you.
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1AA Fan, Slocum is done, it's over! The Slocum era lasted years longer than it should have. What qualities to do you like about this guy? His 3-15 Horizon League Conference Tournament record, his teams among the worst every year in points allowed??/
I'm ambivalent to MBB and it’s head coach, but I believe you are missing the major point of being a college HC when you say "what qualities do you like" and then list accomplishments. When we talk about qualities, we should be looking at the men involved and the affect the HC has had on them, not tournament wins. It's perfectly OK to say "Slocum is a bad guy and a bad coach" or "Slocum is a good guy but a bad coach." But for me, confusing qualities and accomplishments is unfair to the man.
+1 Go Guins. Very insightful logical argument here.
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It's about wins and losses and bringing fans into the arena not any feel-good story. I pay money to see them win not what we have now. He needs to go
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Sports is a cruel business. He's not winning, he's had a tremendous amount of players leave the program the last couple years. He is not good with the media and community and you do not see the excitement and passion as you do with other coaches. Time to go.
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Sports is a cruel business. He's not winning, he's had a tremendous amount of players leave the program the last couple years. He is not good with the media and community and you do not see the excitement and passion as you do with other coaches. Time to go.
Is there anything else we can do to keep a thread that no one cares about going? It is masked under YSU Men's basketball, when it is just another "I hate Slocum" thread. People leaving this program has just about zero to do with the head coach and will not change with a new head coach. It will take a lot more than that. Solid athletes leave high-end programs and low-end programs ...the former want a chance to play (or play more) and the latter think they can do better. The better the player we bring in, the more likely it is going to happen ...and Slocum has been recruiting a better caliber of MBB player in recent years.
I understand it is all about winning and losing; if not Jon Heacock would still be your head football coach. However, there is a lot more to it ... and when you look at those things, coach S had done pretty well. You bring up things like a couple of player incidents ...yet both of these things were handled well within the program. Grades are solid in a sport traditionally not know for GPA, he recruits well, he calls a game well, and he cares about the program and university. For all of these things he deserves a round of applause; so if he is no longer going to be with us (for whatever reason) simply give it to him? No some people on this board just love to be arrogant. However, if we are just going to pump up the salary by $50k to $75k and bring in someone else ...why bother? It is not going to put us in the post-season dollars or change the face of the program ...just the faces of the staff.
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I need to refute several comments.
Hard to say this is a thread that no one cares about when it is on it's eighth page. I find it refreshing that people still care enough about MBB.
Thread is not masked, clearly the subject contains MBB and Slocum.
In the past this board has had more then enough JS hate, for the most part this thread has been pretty calm. Certainly there are more folks that want him to leave then stay.
I do not question for a moment that JS cares about the program, you feel that he recruits well and calls a game well. If so I can not understand why we do not win more.
I do not get the "why bother" comment, the reason to bother is obvious, to try and bring positive attention to our great university. A new face may just improve the GPA. A new face may just put us in the post season dollars. We need to trust that RS can find the right guy.
The loyalty is commendable and I am sure you have your reasons.
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I agree with guinpen. I lot of individuals care about men's basketball. 1AA, you have made it very clear in the past that while you would like to see all athletic programs succeed, the only program that matters to you is football. For many others on this wonderful site the pathetic shape of men's basketball is also a priority.
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Do not post much, but must agree with above time for a change!
GOOOO GUINS!!!!!
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Guinpen and others ...sorry to pull a Paladin here. Without looking it up, can you tell me who the WBB Frosh-of-the-year is? Can you tell me which YSU players are on the Horizon MBB 1st, 2nd and frosh teams? Can you tell me which team we play in the MBB HL Tourney, when, and/or what our seed is? Can you tell me the date of the spring game? Can you tell me what day we started football camp and any of the TB's (besides McCaster) in attendance?
If you understand what I just asked ...then you will see why this thread is a waste of time. All of these things are posted on this board in the last 24-hours or so, but certain posters will not let anything be above "I hate Slocum", "I hate Montgomery", "I hate Strollo", etc. threads. These are simply trolls. Sure the MBB head coach is a big thing ...but anytime someone posts something constructive about it, it is buried in repetitive, hateful nonsense. It is too negative & falls WELL below the above items in fan importance. Yes this thread is more tame and I had to threaten a few posters to get it that way (always the same few); which I should not have to do ...we are adults. That is why this thread is so many pages long GuinPen ...because trolls push it up to the top by posting the same old ...same old.
I think it is time for a change as well, but a whole lot more than just at HC. But of course, here come the attacks on Strollo instead of a more normal discussion as to why the program is the way it is. As if the athletic administration and coaching staff has no idea what has been going on over the past decades. Insulting them is not any kind of reason and/or conversation.
Football is not my favorite sport, but it generates the revenue for most all other sports ...it has to be the most important. So let's talk about YSU basketball and Slocum:
-Do you think we have the resources to recruit and stabilize a deeper team/staff, we could win with Slocum? I do.
-Do you think if we did not have to meet title-IX requirements that we would have a better MBB program? I do.
-Do you think it is worth going to the old Chevy Center? I do not. It is no larger than Beeghly. They cannot even draw some of the better entertainment because they rushed into building a facility that is too small. We would still spend the same resources on Beeghly (for all of the other sports) and have additional resource requirements to rent the Covelli Center ...it is a no win move.
-Given the current political climate in the NCAA and the relative small scope of WBB in the collegiate ranks; do you not feel that our resources are better spent improving the women's program over the men's? I do.
We are all agreeing that a culture change is needed in the Valley for YSU basketball; maybe it needs to be focused on the Lady Pens?
In short until we (as a university) are willing to make a commitment to MBB, all we are doing is making a staff change. Any positive results will be short-lived. It is not the fault of Slocum and it is not the fault of Strollo ...but they do have to take the "heat" and I understand that; but let's keep the board at a decent level.
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Hey they locked up the 9th seed. Maybe they will make a run in the tournament.
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IAA Fan,You say it's not Slocum & Strollo fault. Who's at fault ? I'm asking out of lack of clarity not to be argumentative.
What steps in your opinion does the University need to make to have a competitive program?
I'm like you were I'm tired of hearing the coach and the AD suck. I would love some clear specifics. Seems the info on the board is very vague.
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It seems to me that complete apathy has set in...how do you explain getting rid of Wolford while keeping Slocum...i just don't get it...neither do many of us...we haven't ever been close to competitive in the Horizon...whoever is to blame is debatable but the fact that administration doesn't seem to care is not...that is what upsets many of us and that has to end
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I agree with jbags. It seems that the athletic administration considers basketball to be an Olympic sport. The impression is that winning is not very important. That impression might be totally inaccurate, but how else can fans interpret this agonizing toleration for failure? If the school has any hopes of recapturing the interest of fans, they must demonstrate that success is the new standard by which basketball will be judged, same as football and women's basketball (when the team is not destroyed by injuries.)
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Good questions UFC and I am not really certain, but I think we have some good ideas on this board. I honestly think that we could more affordably build the WBB program into something, then rebuild the men's program out of that:
1) Beeghly is a good venue for some of the more powerful ladies programs & we could attract a level of competition that the men will never see at home. Even Butler had issues getting teams any higher than Ball State to play in Indy.
2) I think that we could get a nice tournament at home for the ladies. Between UWGB and a couple of our power friends in the MVC: Drake, Missouri State, Southern Illinois. Some of the PA schools (including Pitt) would line up for this type of competition.
The other way is to come up with more funds for the men's program & I do not like the idea of bringing in new people and hoping that change = success. Slocum may not like being forced out, but he is not far from retiring on his own. There is a wealth of experience we could get from him, in terms of what is truly needed to make the program (AT YSU) successful. Anyone can look at another program and say ...let's pattern ourselves after them, but that may not work at YSU. Slocum and Strollo both know what can work specifically at YSU; let's get a brain trust together and work toward financially being able to secure the decisions coming from this board. This accomplishes two things for the fans in the Valley and YSU:
1) It tells us that they acknowledge our issues, and
2) They are willing to do something (more than just point fingers) about it.
-It is going to have to include a stronger presence in AAU, overseas and the local schools.
-I think we have really retooled our general education and sports curriculum to bring some more high-risk players.
-I think with some of our Olympic sport successes in overseas athletes, perhaps we could take some of that knowledge and put a couple of people on the MBB court. This is where the campus improvements can really shine.
Could we afford to "pull a Syracuse" and have a coach-in-waiting"?
Any other ideas?
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It was very telling to read articles about both wins and see that YSU knocks both teams out of the NCAA Tourney. The Horizon is simply a guaranteed 1-team conference now, no chance for an at-large without Butler.
So I guess that we are just going to have to win the next 2-games
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How sweet would that be to win the Horizon Conference tourney title and go to the NCAA tourney after our miraculous run to the National Championship in football. I'd say that would be a pretty good sports year for YSU!
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This run has to be killing the JC haters!
Too bad boys.
Way to go YSU MB team!
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Thank goodness. Only 1 game left for Jerry.
Guess I missed on that. Happy for the players. The first YSU mens team to win 2 games in the Horizon League Tournament, and the first to advance to the semi-finals. The hard part is over. The top three seeds are gone. Finish it off.
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A couple of points...first...this little mini run has proven my point about how men's basketball can be profitable with a bit more attention paid to it...all of a sudden we have bus trips and watch parties because of 2 wins...2! Imagine a 20 win season's excitement...it can happen if administration is not fooled by this and finds us a coach we can get excited about....second point...to reiterate..dont let this 2 game excitement cloud over the fact that overall our head coach has a terrible overall record that is compounded by the loss of players through transfer...we still need to move forward and capitalize on this run
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A couple of points...first...this little mini run has proven my point about how men's basketball can be profitable with a bit more attention paid to it...all of a sudden we have bus trips and watch parties because of 2 wins...2! Imagine a 20 win season's excitement...it can happen if administration is not fooled by this and finds us a coach we can get excited about....second point...to reiterate..dont let this 2 game excitement cloud over the fact that overall our head coach has a terrible overall record that is compounded by the loss of players through transfer...we still need to move forward and capitalize on this run
"this little mini run has proven my point about how men's basketball can be profitable with a bit more attention paid to it."
How exactly can you say that? And WHY is the only thing any of you seem to be interested in sports is to make a profit? Make a NOTE: SPORTS PROGRAMS FOR ALL BUT A FEW ELITE SCHOOLS IS A "INVESTMENT" NOT A PROFIT CENTER!
So let's say, for arguments sake, we win the next 2 and win the league and qualify for the turnament (highly unlikely I know but for sake of the argument) would you then immediately fire the head coach? Exactly what message would that send? The coaches you would be interested in would simply laugh at you!
You guys are so hung up on your hatred for Slocum that your judgement is clouded.
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Finish it off.
Could not have been said any better.
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ESPN3? Local radio?
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Yes and 570.
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Thanks
Go Guins!
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This run has to be killing the JC haters!
Too bad boys.
Way to go YSU MB team!
I assume that you mean JS and if so you are missing the whole point. Sure there may be some on here that may hate JS, but most fall into a group that want more out of the program then we feel JS is capable of delivering.
I am excited over the past two games, happy for the players, happy for JS happy for YSU.
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Unfortunately the same Ole Slocum coming out tonight. No defense, can't hit free throws etc. Need coach like NKU has great recruiter and game coach
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Unfortunately the same Ole Slocum coming out tonight. No defense, can't hit free throws etc. Need coach like NKU has great recruiter and game coach
Except Slocum is out coaching him the 2nd half
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Unfortunately the game is played for 40 minutes and we gave up 42 pts in the 2nd. Good effort but defense the downfall. Good bye Slocum
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You said it, no defense! And no depth at the 5 position killed us!
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it is now time for Jerry to the right thing for Men's Basketball. Say Goodbye.
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Better team won. Respect for our guys. Played hard but just not enough muscle on D. Need some big guys for next year.
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I think Slocum out-coaches most in the conference. That guy from Oakland seems to have a huge following in the media. Tonight was simply the 3-ball. I think NKU hit a season high against us. None the less, they are going to the NCAA tourney in their first year of eligibility.
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Yep Slocum out coaches them all and it shows in the 5-13 conference record. What are you watching? My lord
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IAA: I think you meant to say jerry is out coached by many from the league. I'm really tired of losing seasons. It is time to move forward with new blood.
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Upset victory over an Oakland team who chokes a lot in the tournament. Thank god for Morse. Still not enough to save Jerry in my eyes. Need a change.
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When you have a prolific scorer, you always have a puncher's chance at beating a solid mid-major team on any given night. And we did just that against Akron, Green Bay, and Oakland. But when you play no defense it always catches up with you. It is no accident that teams hit record numbers of threes against us, or that they make ridiculous numbers of uncontested layups against us.
Over a dozen years, Slocum won 38% of his games here. This year he won 38% of his games here. The powers at the university have a choice. Retain Slocum and win 38% of our games inside an empty gym with widespread community apathy. Or hire an ambitious, younger coach whose teams will play defense and at least produce a winning record at home.
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Or hire an ambitious, younger coach whose teams will play defense and at least produce a winning record at home.
Way too much assumption here Wick. Are you saying make this (along with grades) part of a new contract? If so I am in favor, but that is not going to be fair to any new coach. As to Cam, we all need to realize that it is the way that Slocum uses him that makes him so prolific. That will probably change ...which is not necessarily a bad thing.
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IAA Fan,
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Incorporate our expectations right into the contract of the basketball coach. Here are three items to start:
Recruit real students who will not flunk out
Recruit players who want to be here and will remain for four years
By your third year, win at least half of your conference games and place a competitive team on the court
There are several dozen ambitious coaches who would accept those terms and welcome the challenge. Why? Because we actually have quite a bit to offer.
We now have nice amenities for our players, including the locker room, video room, and weight room.
We have an excellent academic support system that is an easy sell for parents.
We are the only college show in town. Win and media coverage will not be an issue.
The Horizon League has slipped to low major status. Success here is now possible, unlike five years ago.
In short, expect to win in basketball just like we do in football. And what do we have to lose from trying this new approach?
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IAA, time to give up on this thread.
All logic, sanity, and realistic discussion is long since gone by the wayside!
Half of these guys could get part time jobs as writers for the POTUS' twitter account!
Perhaps somebody should look realisticly at graduation rates etc. for college MBB programs. I'd be willing to bet we are about average. Brave new world out there guys. Not better, just new. Now truth be known, it is time for Slocum and YSU to go their separate ways, but remember, the prior 2-3 coaches to Jerry were worse. The sports world is a sum zero game, not everybody is going to win 80% of their games and with MBB being virtually 1 tier, you are an the same footing that FB would be with everybody playing IA and YSU never having a chance to win much.