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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: JustGuinBaby on September 05, 2015, 05:19:05 PM
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I see everyone jumping all over Montgomery, which is understandable, you MUST score TD's in the Red Zone. And the play calling is suspect at times. BUT if you score 37 points you SHOULD WIN....The defense gave up far too many big plays. That type of D, will kill us if it continues. BTW, great decision to replace McFadden on the KO's
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the defense had 4 turnovers and something like 5 sacks, No they did not let us down, They played well enough to win but when the offense goes something like 4 for 16 on 3rd downs, that D is going to get tired and give up big plays. When your defense gets you 4 turnovers you SHOULD WIN.
this is 100% on the offense, not even close.
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I agree, the D made many big plays, but they gave up just as many if not more. If giving up 45 points is well enough to win, it might be a long season. The bright side it's only game one.
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I agree, the D made many big plays, but they gave up just as many if not more. If giving up 45 points is well enough to win, it might be a long season. The bright side it's only game one.
That happens when your offense cant do anything, all the way down from the HS level to the Pros. if you cant win being +4 in turnovers and your defense gets 5 sacks, then your offense is always going to be the problem. teams historically that are +4 in turnovers win NFL games over 95% of the time, thats a proven fact. why cant YSU win? because of the offense.
giving up 45 points doesn't mean anything. they gave up 45 because the offense couldn't keep them off the field a normal offense and YSU gives up 20 at best.
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Boy are you guys tough on our kids! My take on this was we played great, Played hard to the very end, (which didn't happen under Wolford) and we got beat by a better team. Pitt was stronger inside, bigger and faster outside. They couldn't stop Stubbs last time we played, couldn't stop him this time either. They also couldn't stop Webb. They are going to give up a LOT of points to D-1 schools. Somebody ripped me Friday for complementing the 2 deep depth chart because they were all Wolford's recruits, but the Pelini guys made huge impacts yesterday. Alexander, the linebackers etc. Bodes well going forward. We lost, but we showed toughness and heart and aggression. MUCH more GOOD than bad IMO!
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Boy are you guys tough on our kids! My take on this was we played great, Played hard to the very end, (which didn't happen under Wolford) and we got beat by a better team. Pitt was stronger inside, bigger and faster outside. They couldn't stop Stubbs last time we played, couldn't stop him this time either. They also couldn't stop Webb. They are going to give up a LOT of points to D-1 schools. Somebody ripped me Friday for complementing the 2 deep depth chart because they were all Wolford's recruits, but the Pelini guys made huge impacts yesterday. Alexander, the linebackers etc. Bodes well going forward. We lost, but we showed toughness and heart and aggression. MUCH more GOOD than bad IMO!
So you didnt watch the game at all then. Webb was shut down easy outside of 2 runs. Stubbs did nothing outside of 1 catch. Rivers was our best defensive player with 4 sacks, a wolford guy.
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Boy are you guys tough on our kids! My take on this was we played great, Played hard to the very end, (which didn't happen under Wolford) and we got beat by a better team. Pitt was stronger inside, bigger and faster outside. They couldn't stop Stubbs last time we played, couldn't stop him this time either. They also couldn't stop Webb. They are going to give up a LOT of points to D-1 schools. Somebody ripped me Friday for complementing the 2 deep depth chart because they were all Wolford's recruits, but the Pelini guys made huge impacts yesterday. Alexander, the linebackers etc. Bodes well going forward. We lost, but we showed toughness and heart and aggression. MUCH more GOOD than bad IMO!
So you didnt watch the game at all then. Webb was shut down easy outside of 2 runs. Stubbs did nothing outside of 1 catch. Rivers was our best defensive player with 4 sacks, a wolford guy.
And the safety is a STUD.
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Relax...Pitt is "Big 5" its not like we played a MAC team.
You simply cannot compare their athletes and depth. Be happy you got 37 and they played very conservatively.
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Relax...Pitt is "Big 5" its not like we played a MAC team.
You simply cannot compare their athletes and depth. Be happy you got 37 and they played very conservatively.
its also not like we played Ohio State either. we played an Indiana/Illinois level team. They got 37 when 13 of that came on defense and special team. Whoop de doo
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Boy are you guys tough on our kids! My take on this was we played great, Played hard to the very end, (which didn't happen under Wolford) and we got beat by a better team. Pitt was stronger inside, bigger and faster outside. They couldn't stop Stubbs last time we played, couldn't stop him this time either. They also couldn't stop Webb. They are going to give up a LOT of points to D-1 schools. Somebody ripped me Friday for complementing the 2 deep depth chart because they were all Wolford's recruits, but the Pelini guys made huge impacts yesterday. Alexander, the linebackers etc. Bodes well going forward. We lost, but we showed toughness and heart and aggression. MUCH more GOOD than bad IMO!
I agree
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For clarification, our defense only recorded two sacks. Derek rivers and terrell williams each had one sack. Also, we were +3 in the turnover margin.
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For clarification, our defense only recorded two sacks. Derek rivers and terrell williams each had one sack. Also, we were +3 in the turnover margin.
Yeah thats not true because Rivers had at least 3 of his own. you should use facts
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For clarification, our defense only recorded two sacks. Derek rivers and terrell williams each had one sack. Also, we were +3 in the turnover margin.
Yeah thats not true because Rivers had at least 3 of his own. you should use facts
Dude, please....you're very new to the forum. Before you continue to call people out....do YOUR homework. YO Show was right. Please read below, these are the FACTS based on the YSU website. Rivers also had 2 tackles for loss, which ARE NOT sacks. Did you say you played??? SMH!!!!
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/boxscores/20150905_ygbz.xml
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YSUFB93, it was nothing against you personally, I just wanted to mention this because I saw your number and I figured you didn't realize you were mistaken. For the record, I would never minimize stats obtained by any player, YSU or otherwise. That is just disrespectful to the athlete. Rivers certainly was a big impact player for YSU against Pitt, but he didn't have as many sacks as you were claiming is all.
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It's always great when someone who is wrong admonishes someone else about being factual. Sigh.
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YSUFB93, it was nothing against you personally, I just wanted to mention this because I saw your number and I figured you didn't realize you were mistaken. For the record, I would never minimize stats obtained by any player, YSU or otherwise. That is just disrespectful to the athlete. Rivers certainly was a big impact player for YSU against Pitt, but he didn't have as many sacks as you were claiming is all.
Yes he did, thats a fact. Pelini even said so himself, you should learn how to stop lying, not a quality trait for a human being. you should also learn to be more respectful.
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It's always great when someone who is wrong admonishes someone else about being factual. Sigh.
Except im not wrong, but then again i dont expect anyone in here to know how to spell the word football let alone know a single thing about it. Theres a reason why we hated playing for ysu "fans", Most uneducated people ive ever met when it comes to football and only show up when YSU wins.
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It's always great when someone who is wrong admonishes someone else about being factual. Sigh.
Except im not wrong, but then again i dont expect anyone in here to know how to spell the word football let alone know a single thing about it. Theres a reason why we hated playing for ysu "fans", Most uneducated people ive ever met when it comes to football and only show up when YSU wins.
Most fan bases won't show up if the team doesn't win. The Cleveland Browns might be the lone exception.
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For clarification, our defense only recorded two sacks. Derek rivers and terrell williams each had one sack. Also, we were +3 in the turnover margin.
Yeah thats not true because Rivers had at least 3 of his own. you should use facts
Dude, please....you're very new to the forum. Before you continue to call people out....do YOUR homework. YO Show was right. Please read below, these are the FACTS based on the YSU website. Rivers also had 2 tackles for loss, which ARE NOT sacks. Did you say you played??? SMH!!!!
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/boxscores/20150905_ygbz.xml
I watched the game, i dont give a fvck what the worthless box score says, those are WRONG plain and simple. I say Rivers take down Voytik behind the LOS 3 times, thats a SACK, time for you to shut the hell up and learn something about football before you post again, is that understood? Fvkcing loser like you thinks your allowed to tell me im wrong, thats way too funny folks, way too funny. go learn what a fact is then get back to me
What's your deal? You don't sound like an athlete that should be approaching his early 50's you sound like a punk kid and surely you were educated in the English language while attending YSU. And since you played you do recall that the stadium was full every game and an additional home game was added because of how healthy attendance was back in those days? Consider that the population of Ytown is half of what is was in the early 1990's. Consider that the people on the fan board are the ones that provide to the athletic scholarship fund and attend the games. Consider that ~85% of the people living in Ytown only attended high school and they value watching that garbage level of football over YSU. Consider that the students don't attend well and the average age of the fans attending is reaching geriatric status. I think the real issue you have is with everyone else and not the board. The people on the board know football and we know what championship level football looks like, however, some people on here believe that Shane Montgomery's fluffy offense will get the job done. That is their right and until we prove we can run A-gap power plays against good teams consistently (and I haven't seen it yet) I will remain a critic of Montgomery's offense.
As far as defense is concerned I think that we have some good pieces in place but where the hell were the LB's during the Pitt game. Surely you saw what I saw there. We haven't had good LB play since the days of John Heacock and we haven't had championship level LB play since the Tressel days.
The anger you direct at us isn't necessarily targeted at the right audience. Go tell the Vindicator to make YSU front page under all circumstances. Voice your concerns of how YSU plays second fiddle to HS sports. Get people out to the games and make it part of your Saturday. Needs to be a family event just like most on tho board. Tell other mill creek park to schedule all of their kids events on Sunday during football season. I can't tell you how many times some other community activity competed against YSU games. This kind of BS needs to stop.
Btw. Yes I agree the box score has a factor of human error in it and humans are only 80% effective.
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It's always great when someone who is wrong admonishes someone else about being factual. Sigh.
Except im not wrong, but then again i dont expect anyone in here to know how to spell the word football let alone know a single thing about it. Theres a reason why we hated playing for ysu "fans", Most uneducated people ive ever met when it comes to football and only show up when YSU wins.
Most fan bases won't show up if the team doesn't win. The Cleveland Browns might be the lone exception.
Thats what makes it a sh**ty fan base. Period.
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For clarification, our defense only recorded two sacks. Derek rivers and terrell williams each had one sack. Also, we were +3 in the turnover margin.
Yeah thats not true because Rivers had at least 3 of his own. you should use facts
Dude, please....you're very new to the forum. Before you continue to call people out....do YOUR homework. YO Show was right. Please read below, these are the FACTS based on the YSU website. Rivers also had 2 tackles for loss, which ARE NOT sacks. Did you say you played??? SMH!!!!
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/boxscores/20150905_ygbz.xml
I watched the game, i dont give a fvck what the worthless box score says, those are WRONG plain and simple. I say Rivers take down Voytik behind the LOS 3 times, thats a SACK, time for you to shut the hell up and learn something about football before you post again, is that understood? Fvkcing loser like you thinks your allowed to tell me im wrong, thats way too funny folks, way too funny. go learn what a fact is then get back to me
What's your deal? You don't sound like an athlete that should be approaching his early 50's you sound like a punk kid and surely you were educated in the English language while attending YSU. And since you played you do recall that the stadium was full every game and an additional home game was added because of how healthy attendance was back in those days? Consider that the population of Ytown is half of what is was in the early 1990's. Consider that the people on the fan board are the ones that provide to the athletic scholarship fund and attend the games. Consider that ~85% of the people living in Ytown only attended high school and they value watching that garbage level of football over YSU. Consider that the students don't attend well and the average age of the fans attending is reaching geriatric status. I think the real issue you have is with everyone else and not the board. The people on the board know football and we know what championship level football looks like, however, some people on here believe that Shane Montgomery's fluffy offense will get the job done. That is their right and until we prove we can run A-gap power plays against good teams consistently (and I haven't seen it yet) I will remain a critic of Montgomery's offense.
As far as defense is concerned I think that we have some good pieces in place but where the hell were the LB's during the Pitt game. Surely you saw what I saw there. We haven't had good LB play since the days of John Heacock and we haven't had championship level LB play since the Tressel days.
The anger you direct at us isn't necessarily targeted at the right audience. Go tell the Vindicator to make YSU front page under all circumstances. Voice your concerns of how YSU plays second fiddle to HS sports. Get people out to the games and make it part of your Saturday. Needs to be a family event just like most on tho board. Tell other mill creek park to schedule all of their kids events on Sunday during football season. I can't tell you how many times some other community activity competed against YSU games. This kind of BS needs to stop.
Btw. Yes I agree the box score has a factor of human error in it and humans are only 80% effective.
how about the fact ive been shown nothing but disrespect from the start? I dont know how many times people have questioned my intelligence on here, by people that actually think they matter in life and think they should have an opinion. And do you recall how empty the stadium is when they aren't in the good days and winning playoff games? i sure do, its pathetic. and yes my anger is directed at the right people, you people (and yes i mean that in the derogatory term) is for the right people since some of you think you know football when im willing to bet its mostly high school drop outs with zero athletic ability that post here.
YSU isn't the problem, its sh**ty fans with a sh**ty fan base that doesn't deserve to see another winning program. Period.
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YSUFB93, I have never been disrespectful towards you. I make it my prerogative to treat everyone with respect. I understand that everyone deserves to be treated respectfully. I never attacked your intelligence. Disagreeing with you on a statistic does not constitute a disrespectful personal attack on you.
In any case, I have been at every YSU home game, except one, for the entire Wolford era. I always attend home games, even last year at the last couple of games when their were a few thousand people there total. I was one of a handful of students in the student section. My obsession with YSU football resembles the obsession that people have with NFL teams. My friends would attest to that.
It is unfair of you to make accusations and comments over the whole fanbase here when it is really so diverse. This forum probably holds the biggest amount of fervent YSU supporters.
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Somebody is very, very angry with the world I see.
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Does Paladin have a brother we don't know about?
J/K
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Go tell the Vindicator to make YSU front page under all circumstances. Voice your concerns of how YSU plays second fiddle to HS sports.
When has a YSU football game ever not been on the front page?
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Go tell the Vindicator to make YSU front page under all circumstances. Voice your concerns of how YSU plays second fiddle to HS sports.
When has a YSU football game ever not been on the front page?
Not sure someone from out of town should be guessing as to the placement of the Vindy.com articles on the actual paper copy of the Vindicator ;D
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Go tell the Vindicator to make YSU front page under all circumstances. Voice your concerns of how YSU plays second fiddle to HS sports.
When has a YSU football game ever not been on the front page?
Not sure someone from out of town should be guessing as to the placement of the Vindy.com articles on the actual paper copy of the Vindicator ;D
I may not live in Youngstown, but I'm here almost every day.
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Go tell the Vindicator to make YSU front page under all circumstances. Voice your concerns of how YSU plays second fiddle to HS sports.
When has a YSU football game ever not been on the front page?
Not sure someone from out of town should be guessing as to the placement of the Vindy.com articles on the actual paper copy of the Vindicator ;D
I purchase the online version (which is supposed to be the same as the print edition) for only 1 reason.....YSU sports. How many times had the front of the sports page led with bulllsh** HS football? I will tell you an endless amount of times. I've only been out of town to 5 years so I have many years of history buying the Vindicator paper edition and also had many times when I would be ticked off at the pages and pages of HS sports coverage with no more than two articles on the penguins. And YSU has been on the second page and is on the second page at times of the year. They should be on the Front page of the paper like during the championship years.
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No idea what you're talking about. At no time I can remember in 20 years has a YSU football game story been played inside vs. anything else, high school football or otherwise. Now, of course, I haven't worked here that entire time, but I'd be shocked if it ever happened.
As for preview stories, they're commonly played on the front on Saturdays, but yes, high school football is the dominant package on those days because the game are on Friday night. Live stories, live photos. Lots of local interest. That's how it has always been. I'm not sure why you can't grasp that.
Unless it's a YSU playoff game preview in November or December (and there have been precious few of those since 2000), prep football is going to be the main package on Saturday's sports front pages in the fall. On Sunday, it's YSU and OSU. On Monday, it's the NFL.
It's really quite simple.
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Ed, I'd take some of these guys with a grain of salt. If you get a complaint from 1-AA or many of the other highly respected and thoughtful bloggers then maybe, but some of the crackpots like FB93 are just that, and worthy of being ignored.
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Ed, I'd take some of these guys with a grain of salt. If you get a complaint from 1-AA or many of the other highly respected and thoughtful bloggers then maybe, but some of the crackpots like FB93 are just that, and worthy of being ignored.
You're right, of course. I just don't like what I believe to be bad information being put out there as the gospel. I just thought I ought to try to correct that and, in the process, let anyone with a question know a little about the process and what goes into it every week.
But you're right. You just can't have a discussion with some people. ::)
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No idea what you're talking about. At no time I can remember in 20 years has a YSU football game story been played inside vs. anything else, high school football or otherwise. Now, of course, I haven't worked here that entire time, but I'd be shocked if it ever happened.
As for preview stories, they're commonly played on the front on Saturdays, but yes, high school football is the dominant package on those days because the game are on Friday night. Live stories, live photos. Lots of local interest. That's how it has always been. I'm not sure why you can't grasp that.
Unless it's a YSU playoff game preview in November or December (and there have been precious few of those since 2000), prep football is going to be the main package on Saturday's sports front pages in the fall. On Sunday, it's YSU and OSU. On Monday, it's the NFL.
It's really quite simple.
Ed,
I understand that that is the way it is, and I have said this before. 85% of people in Ytown haven't graduated from college and they are like this guy:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=napoleon%20dynamite%20uncle%20rico%20football&qs=n&form=QBVR&pq=napoleon%20dynamite%20uncle%20rico%20football&sc=2-37&sp=-1&sk=#view=detail&mid=8AB73CC70E392F670A2E8AB73CC70E392F670A2E
So I understand that you have to sell papers based on the level of education and interests of your primary audience. However, I will say that if you were to pick any other area city or town with a college campus that is competitive in football, the #1 thing on the newspaper sports section would the football team and it would be rare if HS dominated Friday or Saturday. That is all I am saying.
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For the record, Scarlet, I don't have a brother. Two sisters, but neither is on here. ;D
I didn't think either team ( Pitt-YSU) played well in this paycheck game . My 2 cents
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No idea what you're talking about. At no time I can remember in 20 years has a YSU football game story been played inside vs. anything else, high school football or otherwise. Now, of course, I haven't worked here that entire time, but I'd be shocked if it ever happened.
As for preview stories, they're commonly played on the front on Saturdays, but yes, high school football is the dominant package on those days because the game are on Friday night. Live stories, live photos. Lots of local interest. That's how it has always been. I'm not sure why you can't grasp that.
Unless it's a YSU playoff game preview in November or December (and there have been precious few of those since 2000), prep football is going to be the main package on Saturday's sports front pages in the fall. On Sunday, it's YSU and OSU. On Monday, it's the NFL.
It's really quite simple.
Ed,
I understand that that is the way it is, and I have said this before. 85% of people in Ytown haven't graduated from college and they are like this guy:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=napoleon%20dynamite%20uncle%20rico%20football&qs=n&form=QBVR&pq=napoleon%20dynamite%20uncle%20rico%20football&sc=2-37&sp=-1&sk=#view=detail&mid=8AB73CC70E392F670A2E8AB73CC70E392F670A2E
So I understand that you have to sell papers based on the level of education and interests of your primary audience. However, I will say that if you were to pick any other area city or town with a college campus that is competitive in football, the #1 thing on the newspaper sports section would the football team and it would be rare if HS dominated Friday or Saturday. That is all I am saying.
In Columbus and Ann Arbor and other Power 5 towns, sure. Those are bigger cities than Youngstown and there are far more high schools than even we have here. We cover 44 in three counties. Double that number in metro Columbus or some similar city, and yes, you'll find that the population there is not as connected to the local high schools the way people are here.
But I'd be willing to bet that the demographics in most FCS towns are not unlike Youngstown, with prep sports far more popular than you see in Big Ten cities. I'd also be willing to bet that the coverage YSU football gets from the various media here compares very favorably to other FCS schools. I also think that the dearth of playoff appearances since Jim Tressel last coached here probably also played a role in coverage philosophies, fan interest and the popularity of prep sports.
When Bo Pelini gets the Penguins back to the playoffs — and I suspect he will — I think you'll see things change on all fronts. But even without the playoff appearances, we've always covered YSU's games as the No. 1 event on Saturdays in the fall here, because they are just that. In most cases, the Penguins enjoyed top billing over OSU, as they should here during the regular season.
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Ed,
We appreciate your good work and ask only that you keep it up. I can't imagine every agreeing with everything someone else says or writes, (good grief, I don't always agree with what I say and write!) but I never question your motives. In the end, that's what matters, integrity; you have it, and I respect you for it!
Thanks
Don
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Ed,
We appreciate your good work and ask only that you keep it up. I can't imagine every agreeing with everything someone else says or writes, (good grief, I don't always agree with what I say and write!) but I never question your motives. In the end, that's what matters, integrity; you have it, and I respect you for it!
Thanks
Don
Thank you, sir! Right back at you.
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Ed,
We appreciate your good work and ask only that you keep it up. I can't imagine every agreeing with everything someone else says or writes, (good grief, I don't always agree with what I say and write!) but I never question your motives. In the end, that's what matters, integrity; you have it, and I respect you for it!
Thanks
Don
Thank you, sir! Right back at you.
So Ed what is your opinion of the team from what you saw?
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Ed,
We appreciate your good work and ask only that you keep it up. I can't imagine every agreeing with everything someone else says or writes, (good grief, I don't always agree with what I say and write!) but I never question your motives. In the end, that's what matters, integrity; you have it, and I respect you for it!
Thanks
Don
Thank you, sir! Right back at you.
So Ed what is your opinion of the team from what you saw?
What I saw essentially consists of numbers I crunched from my perch at 107 Vindicator Square (I rarely get out much) and from talking to Joe Scalzo, but I like the fact that YSU put 37 points on an ACC team on the road with its starting running back missing most of the game. The defense showed some big-play capabilities and the kicking game looks solid with Kennedy.
I think Pelini would agree that the defense isn't clearly not yet where he wants it to be, but this team is coming. It's early, but I think it's playoffs-or-bust. But then again, I thought that before the Pitt game. I think the Penguins will be playing in December.