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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: guinpen on October 10, 2015, 11:17:50 PM
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At the risk of being an optimist, I do not like to lose but I think we made a positive statement tonight. We went toe to toe with them. Team could have given up a couple of times but they did not. The birds made a couple of big plays so give them credit. We had the only turnover and a couple of penalties that hurt and we still took them to the limit.
I thought that the crowd was pretty good and they saw a really good game. Anyone that says they will not be back because we lost - please just stay home.
I say that we get payback in the play-offs.
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Next week is going to be a crucial game. Both teams have 1 loss and NEED a win. I can foresee a good crowd next week, but lose that one? And you may lose the fans for this season!!
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Tired of watching Wells at QB. Recap.
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Don't understand the Wells comment. Yea the pick 6 was bad but we were 50% on third downs and almost pulled out the comeback. He isn't the reason we lost. We didn't stop the run gave up over200 yds and we gave up a couple of big plays the fake punt was devasting. As for the Monty stuff our time of possession was almost 35 mins and we scored what 20 pets in the second half against a excellent team. I thought the game plan was very good to b**** about him for this game is without merit.
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Has anyone ever heard of a DT getting called for holding because he held up a RB coming through the line without the ball? WTF was that? Cost us a TD.
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Anyone going yo call the league office? How about one of our media beat reporters? Would be interesting to publicize that.
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At the risk of being an optimist, I do not like to lose but I think we made a positive statement tonight. We went toe to toe with them. Team could have given up a couple of times but they did not. The birds made a couple of big plays so give them credit. We had the only turnover and a couple of penalties that hurt and we still took them to the limit.
I thought that the crowd was pretty good and they saw a really good game. Anyone that says they will not be back because we lost - please just stay home.
I say that we get payback in the play-offs.
guinpen- I don't think you could have said it any better. Illinois st. has 5 fbs transfer 's who don't even see the field so that should tell people alot. They showed why they are the 4 ranked team in the country and runners up from a season ago.
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At the risk of being an optimist, I do not like to lose but I think we made a positive statement tonight. We went toe to toe with them. Team could have given up a couple of times but they did not. The birds made a couple of big plays so give them credit. We had the only turnover and a couple of penalties that hurt and we still took them to the limit.
I thought that the crowd was pretty good and they saw a really good game. Anyone that says they will not be back because we lost - please just stay home.
I say that we get payback in the play-offs.
Your posts says exactly how I feel.
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I thought our offense, in particular Wells, looked the best it has in the 2nd half under Montgomery in league play in a long, long time.
Officiating aside, we lost the game with the pick-six and the fake punt. Wells telegraphed that pass and when they motioned just prior to the fake punt, we should have read it and adjusted, but we did not and they barely got the 1st down.
Huge game next week. A win catapults us into the upper echelon of the league through the midpoint of the league schedule, a loss and we have no margin for error.
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Don't understand the Wells comment. Yea the pick 6 was bad but we were 50% on third downs and almost pulled out the comeback. He isn't the reason we lost. We didn't stop the run gave up over200 yds and we gave up a couple of big plays the fake punt was devasting. As for the Monty stuff our time of possession was almost 35 mins and we scored what 20 pets in the second half against a excellent team. I thought the game plan was very good to b**** about him for this game is without merit.
I know people like to give Hunter a free pass and nothing is ever his fault because he is a hometown boy, but if he could run at all he gets into the end-zone on the extra point. You say, well running is not his game, passing is, well, the Missouri Valley Stats don't lie...http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/ind-all.pdf, after yesterdays game he is listed in 10th place in Passing Efficiency @ 125.3. Spin that.
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I warned you about the QB.
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I warned you about the QB.
Did you watch the 2nd half when we fell behind a few times and he made some big plays?
He didn't look good vs. USD and looked mediocre in the 1st half yesterday, but he looked like he took a step forward in that 2nd half. Let's see if that translates into next week.
I know Pally is enjoying this loss.
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No one is "spinning" anything. It was a good game and many people are happy despite the loss. The team is much better than I thought they could be.
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The QB you warned about almost beat one of the best teams in the country. We have nothing behind him right now and if you think Ricky Davis is the answer then you know less than you think. I am not being a homer but don't you think Pelini isn't going to put the best guy out there. He has a few more rings than u and being an armchair naysayer hater makes any assessment from you pretty much garbage. But keep being negative. Youngstown is full of your kind and you fit in very well. Go Penguins!
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The QB you warned about almost beat one of the best teams in the country. We have nothing behind him right now and if you think Ricky Davis is the answer then you know less than you think. I am not being a homer but don't you think Pelini isn't going to put the best guy out there. He has a few more rings than u and being an armchair naysayer hater makes any assessment from you pretty much garbage. But keep being negative. Youngstown is full of your kind and you fit in very well. Go Penguins!
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The QB you warned about almost beat one of the best teams in the country. We have nothing behind him right now and if you think Ricky Davis is the answer then you know less than you think. I am not being a homer but don't you think Pelini isn't going to put the best guy out there. He has a few more rings than u and being an armchair naysayer hater makes any assessment from you pretty much garbage. But keep being negative. Youngstown is full of your kind and you fit in very well. Go Penguins!
Don't waste your time with him. Just ignore him.... I started doing that a few years ago.
Do you remember how many fortune tellers predicted "the world will end tomorrow"? We are still here. They kept repeating it every year. I guess, one of them might get it right one of these days....
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Don't understand the Wells comment. Yea the pick 6 was bad but we were 50% on third downs and almost pulled out the comeback. He isn't the reason we lost. We didn't stop the run gave up over200 yds and we gave up a couple of big plays the fake punt was devasting. As for the Monty stuff our time of possession was almost 35 mins and we scored what 20 pets in the second half against a excellent team. I thought the game plan was very good to b**** about him for this game is without merit.
I know people like to give Hunter a free pass and nothing is ever his fault because he is a hometown boy, but if he could run at all he gets into the end-zone on the extra point. You say, well running is not his game, passing is, well, the Missouri Valley Stats don't lie...http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/ind-all.pdf, after yesterdays game he is listed in 10th place in Passing Efficiency @ 125.3. Spin that.
Nice to see he made the top ten!
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The QB you warned about almost beat one of the best teams in the country. We have nothing behind him right now and if you think Ricky Davis is the answer then you know less than you think. I am not being a homer but don't you think Pelini isn't going to put the best guy out there. He has a few more rings than u and being an armchair naysayer hater makes any assessment from you pretty much garbage. But keep being negative. Youngstown is full of your kind and you fit in very well. Go Penguins!
Don't waste your time with him. Just ignore him.... I started doing that a few years ago.
Do you remember how many fortune tellers predicted "the world will end tomorrow"? We are still here. They kept repeating it every year. I guess, one of them might get it right one of these days....
You got it, I stopped reading his posts also, Two others are close to joining the do-not-read list, one is very close.
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I just think you're best chance to win in college is with a QB who is mobile and can run the read option or at least be a threat to run it. With our O-Line issues (which looked better than past weeks) Wells is a sitting duck most times. Definitely looked better in the 2nd half but there are still times he looks very shaky and unsure of where to go if his 1st read is not there. That play on 3rd down where he just threw the ball up for grabs in the end zone comes to mind. Not saying Davis is the answer, but he is a solid backup option to have.
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The QB you warned about almost beat one of the best teams in the country. We have nothing behind him right now and if you think Ricky Davis is the answer then you know less than you think. I am not being a homer but don't you think Pelini isn't going to put the best guy out there. He has a few more rings than u and being an armchair naysayer hater makes any assessment from you pretty much garbage. But keep being negative. Youngstown is full of your kind and you fit in very well. Go Penguins!
The QB he warned about would have beaten one of the best teams in the country had he not thrown the pick 6 or could run 3 yards from the line of scrimmage, but let me ask you something, how do you know Davis can't play when he has never been given a chance to fail? And by the way, Pelini isn't putting the QB out there, Monty is.
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Wells has been extremely questionable with his interceptions, missed targets by several yards, and his extreme lack of mobility!!
I don't know how good Ricky Davis is nor does anyone else; because he is never given a chance. He deserves a chance and if he doesn't get that chance he will transfer out at the end of this year.
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The QB you warned about almost beat one of the best teams in the country. We have nothing behind him right now and if you think Ricky Davis is the answer then you know less than you think. I am not being a homer but don't you think Pelini isn't going to put the best guy out there. He has a few more rings than u and being an armchair naysayer hater makes any assessment from you pretty much garbage. But keep being negative. Youngstown is full of your kind and you fit in very well. Go Penguins!
The QB he warned about would have beaten one of the best teams in the country had he not thrown the pick 6 or could run 3 yards from the line of scrimmage, but let me ask you something, how do you know Davis can't play when he has never been given a chance to fail? And by the way, Pelini isn't putting the QB out there, Monty is.
Pretty sure that Monty works for BP
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I looked at Last years game we lost 35 to 21 we gained over 400 + yds in that game too. Wells completed 66.7 of his passes yesterday threw for 240 he improved is completion percentage against them as well. He threw a pick in both games. But keep screaming for Davis reminds me when everybody wanted Zwick. Go YSU!
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Wells threw a pic six just minutes after BP told Bob Hannon that to win games like this we needed to be positive in the turnover margin.
I guess it just depends on what your expectations are. If you are content to remain a mid-pack MVFC team, then Wells would suffice. He doesn't suck, but he doesn't have the skill set to allow YSU to excel in all three phases of the game. He threw two INTs last week versus the worst pass D in the MVFC. He makes dangerous passes rather than dump the ball. As was noted above, he is last in the MVFC in passing efficiency. Overlooking that is like asking Mrs Lincoln, "other than that, how was the play?"
I still think YSU goes 7-4 and prolly makes the playoffs. This was a bad match up with our mediocre run defense versus the best FCS rusher. We have one non-NDSU loss left, which is a tall order.
At least give Davis a shot, and then try to lure a mobile QB into transferring in the off season.
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Did anyone notice just how quickly the holes were closed on the interior of our offensive line by the Illinois St. defense.The line in place isn't mobile enough to support a running quarterback..at this point they are having difficulty just sustaining their blocks..I'm not sure who #71 is but he really had a tough game.
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I'll add that 3-2 is where we'd be if the Wolf was never fired. Lots of talent transferred in on defense. To establish ourselves as one of the top MVFC teams...the offensive line and QB need upgrades.
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I looked at Last years game we lost 35 to 21 we gained over 400 + yds in that game too. Wells completed 66.7 of his passes yesterday threw for 240 he improved is completion percentage against them as well. He threw a pick in both games. But keep screaming for Davis reminds me when everybody wanted Zwick. Go YSU!
Some of the Browns' fans still screaming for Johnny
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The QB you warned about almost beat one of the best teams in the country. We have nothing behind him right now and if you think Ricky Davis is the answer then you know less than you think. I am not being a homer but don't you think Pelini isn't going to put the best guy out there. He has a few more rings than u and being an armchair naysayer hater makes any assessment from you pretty much garbage. But keep being negative. Youngstown is full of your kind and you fit in very well. Go Penguins!
The QB he warned about would have beaten one of the best teams in the country had he not thrown the pick 6 or could run 3 yards from the line of scrimmage, but let me ask you something, how do you know Davis can't play when he has never been given a chance to fail? And by the way, Pelini isn't putting the QB out there, Monty is.
Pretty sure that Monty works for BP
Yeah he does but Bo is a defensive minded coach and is trying to show Monty the respect he deserves by letting him run the offense his way. You will know when Bo has had enough. I just hope Monty staying with Hunter doesn't cost him his job. He is a good coach.
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I just want to honestly know why everyone is so high on Ricky Davis? I'm not saying he would be a bad QB, but honestly, why is he the answer to our problems? Because he's mobile?
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I just want to honestly know why everyone is so high on Ricky Davis? I'm not saying he would be a bad QB, but honestly, why is he the answer to our problems? Because he's mobile?
I don't know if he's better, but worth trying. Although a very poor test, he did well in the STFU game. Yes, he is mobile, which adds another dimension to the offense. I suspect he would have made the two point conversion last night. A QB with stone feet and a porous OL are a poor combo...at least Davis could escape the pocket instead of unloading risky passes into double/triple coverages.
Maybe neither are what we need....but sticking with Wells is maintaining the status quo of near misses.
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Sorry if I've been offending some on here. I am flat out tired of losing games like this and I have a huge emotional attachment to how my team performs. I think we have been robbed out of a playoff spot for several years now. I understand that we cost ourselves with late season meltdowns but we were still better than many teams in the playoff field.
I can't go another season sane without getting into the playoffs. I get mad now when anyone coats us a game. Thing is we shouldn't be on the edge all the time. We have history, tradition, and a great recruiting area and live in a cradle of great coaches, so there are no excuses. Sorry if I upset people on here bit my temper and passion get the best of me sometimes
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I just want to honestly know why everyone is so high on Ricky Davis? I'm not saying he would be a bad QB, but honestly, why is he the answer to our problems? Because he's mobile?
I don't think that people are high on Ricky Davis or that he is the answer to our problems, the question was just just ask why not give him a try even if it's to put a fire under Hunter. No one knows what he can do because he has never been given a chance.
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I looked at Last years game we lost 35 to 21 we gained over 400 + yds in that game too. Wells completed 66.7 of his passes yesterday threw for 240 he improved is completion percentage against them as well. He threw a pick in both games. But keep screaming for Davis reminds me when everybody wanted Zwick. Go YSU!
Some of the Browns' fans still screaming for Johnny
nailed it
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The QB you warned about almost beat one of the best teams in the country. We have nothing behind him right now and if you think Ricky Davis is the answer then you know less than you think. I am not being a homer but don't you think Pelini isn't going to put the best guy out there. He has a few more rings than u and being an armchair naysayer hater makes any assessment from you pretty much garbage. But keep being negative. Youngstown is full of your kind and you fit in very well. Go Penguins!
The QB he warned about would have beaten one of the best teams in the country had he not thrown the pick 6 or could run 3 yards from the line of scrimmage, but let me ask you something, how do you know Davis can't play when he has never been given a chance to fail? And by the way, Pelini isn't putting the QB out there, Monty is.
Pretty sure that Monty works for BP
Yeah he does but Bo is a defensive minded coach and is trying to show Monty the respect he deserves by letting him run the offense his way. You will know when Bo has had enough. I just hope Monty staying with Hunter doesn't cost him his job. He is a good coach.
I hear what you are saying and I have never been in a coaches meeting, but I have to believe that when it comes to deciding whom the starting qb is, BP has some input.
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I'm not saying Davis is the answer, but the kid had some nice D-1 offers coming out of high school for a reason. Strong arm, can run. It's not like we changed O-Coordinators this year when Bo came in and still haven't given Davis a shot. Then I would be convinced maybe he's not ready to have the reigns. I just don't feel comfy going forward with Wells making the decision back there. Monty likes his QB's a certain way and I get it. He's the O-Coordinator and he runs his system the way he wants to. We will see how it plays out... Fingers crossed.
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I just want to honestly know why everyone is so high on Ricky Davis? I'm not saying he would be a bad QB, but honestly, why is he the answer to our problems? Because he's mobile?
Yo- Qb's on just about every level today are judged on 2 things win and losses. If you don't win that creates controversy and gossip. IMO Wells played good enough in the losses to Pitt and Illinois St. to pick up the win. The defense didn't, and that also goes for the players around Wells. That is why it's a team sport and you win and lose as a team. In the game of football you need to throw. If Ricky could throw he would've been giving the opportunity a long time ago. Hunter is just a sophomore and a team captain..That speaks volumes
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Good points Fever. One thing that no one is mentioning here ...safety. Montgomery does not want his QB's to be running with the ball and neither do I. Look at how many times Roberson has been out and he has been a relatively healthy QB (as mobile QBs go). Half the reason that UNI never reaches their potential is because their starting QB's never make it through the season. The Panthers have a back-up in right now, they started their season with him.
There is no doubt in my mind that YSU wins ...going away... last night had Kolbe stayed in the game.
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I just want to honestly know why everyone is so high on Ricky Davis? I'm not saying he would be a bad QB, but honestly, why is he the answer to our problems? Because he's mobile?
Yo- Qb's on just about every level today are judged on 2 things win and losses. If you don't win that creates controversy and gossip. IMO Wells played good enough in the losses to Pitt and Illinois St. to pick up the win. The defense didn't, and that also goes for the players around Wells. That is why it's a team sport and you win and lose as a team. In the game of football you need to throw. If Ricky could throw he would've been giving the opportunity a long time ago. Hunter is just a sophomore and a team captain..That speaks volumes
I wouldn't blame either loss completely on the defense. If you take away the KO return for a TD against Pitt and a pick 6 this week, we could have won both games. Our Defense is better than anybody could have hoped for this year, anyway, Ricky can throw and he is a sophomore also. Go Guins! (All the Quins)
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YSU won their national championships with running QB's. Just saying ;)
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Let's do a real recap:
Q1:
1) ILS drive: YSU stops them on the goal line. (Kolbe at QB)
2) YSU drive: Wells INT for a TD. Defense stood tall and a mistake shifted everything.
3) YSU drive: YSU TD. Nice use of the TB's in passing situations. Get Ruiz and Webb out beyond the LOS.
4) ILS drive: just begins drive and 1st quarter ends.
Q2:
+4) ILS drive: ends in punt (Kolbe at QB)
5) YSU drive: ends in punt.
6) ILS Drive: TD (Roberson at QB)
7) YSU drive: punt
8) ILS drive: punt
9) YSU drive FG
First half comments:
- Kolbe was ineffective against us.
- We were not prepared for Roberson. Not saying that we did not practice for him, we just were not prepared for his ability in "real time". However, we did a fairly good job against him.
- There were 9 drives in the first half: YSU had 5 chances and ILS had 4 chances to score. YSU offense produces 10-points (2 scores), while ILS offesne produced 7-points (1 score). ILS defense produces 7-points (1 score). There were no missed FG's, so the remaining drives were all stops. In short, we outplayed them on both sides of the ball. Yet we are down 14-10.
- We left 4-points on the field and the INT for score. Should be 14-7 "good guys" at the half.
Q3:
1) YSU drive: Field goal.
2) ILS drive: Field goal.
Q4:
3) YSU drive: Score (TD)
4) ILS drive: Score (TD). I will also point out that YSU had them in 3rd and long on the 26 and the 39.
5) YSU drive: Score (Field Goal)
6) ILS drive: Score (TD)
7) YSU drive: Score (TD)
8) ILS drive: took a knee (do not count)
Second half comments:
- There were 7 drives in the second half and all of them resulted in scores. YSU had 4 drives while ILS had 3. ILS produced 17-points, YSU produced 19-points.
- YSU left 8-points on the field. ILS left 4-points on the field.
- YSU offense under-produced, but did manage to score on all 4 of their drives, while the defense failed to produce a second-half stop that did not result in fg.
- We did have a special teams Snafu; but it resulted in a TD, not the field goal.
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YSU won their national championships with running QB's. Just saying ;)
I understand where you are coming from 05. Only one of those was a real option QB (like Roberson) though. Brungard, Ryan and Tidwell were all drop-back guys. Believe me, I am 110% positive that coach M is looking to recruit a guy that is 6'+, good weight, can throw on the run, good arm strength, quick release, can run when needed and has a brain. Those guys are hard for a I-AA/FCS team to get. Flaco was the last one of any stature and he was a IA/FBS transfer.
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Ok last post on this thread because I'm getting to much off the topic. Mayor I know Ricky has a very strong arm and can throw. Making all the throws in Montgomery's offense is two different things and it requires a very smart quarterback. If there was a more mobile line in place I do believe Wells can move good enough to pick up the necessary yardage in certain situations. That would be a huge thing and open tons more with the offense. I agree with Fan the risk of a running quarterback is to great and there is always a trade off involved with giving up the pass. Yes 0505 next to impossible to find. As fast as llinois St. was on defense Davis would've had difficulty picking up much yardage on the ground
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No one is "spinning" anything. It was a good game and many people are happy despite the loss. The team is much better than I thought they could be.
I completely agree. Coaching and new players on D have made HUGE difference. Could be best D since JT era. Wells had best 2nd half of career which is now just about 1 season long (something to keep in mind!)
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As I have already said, sit back and grab some popcorn, the "fun" is just getting started. We'll talk soon.
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As I have already said, sit back and grab some popcorn, the "fun" is just getting started. We'll talk soon.
what so you can be a post-game prognosticator? Do you give us political election predictions the day after the election as well? Well you are right. Last week was the most "fun" since a couple of the UNI games of the the first decade of the 2000's. Yes Bo yelled at the players and refs ...especially the refs & drew a flag. All the people in my area heard him yell at the defensive front
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1-AA - I like and agree with most of your analysis on the drive summary and I am impressed with our ability to score in the second half on every drive.
In response to our QB's. I trust BP's judgement to call Wells our starter and not go to a 2 QB alignment. His numbers are not the best in the league and he has made some early season mistakes. He needs to develop, and I know that too often fans timelines are much shorter than reality. However, he has also made some very great throws and smart plays.
I called the 2-pt conversion to be well covered and would cause HW to run. Another fan told me that if he has to run he would not make it and be down at the 1. :o If BP thought this was an issue...he would have adjusted.
Trust in our team. We played good, not great but I feel that each week we have seen improvement on Beede field.
Z