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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: ysufan0505 on August 20, 2013, 05:07:42 PM
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Hoping to see a packed house next Thursday night!!! Should be a great atmosphere. Time to get our first W against the Flyers, but let's not underestimate them. Gotta get off on the right foot!!!
Anybody know who the starters are on the defensive and offensive line??? I'm guessing Sirl and Terrell Williams are starters at DE. Octavius Brown and who else in the middle? O-Line we know Bryant at LT and Elkins at guard. Stephen Page at Center and Herdman at the other guard? Who plays RT?
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Anybody see a depth chart for this game yet? How many of the slightly injured will we hold out for this game? It is mighty quiet for six days before the opening of the season.
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Haven't heard anything
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Hearing Demond Hymes won't be ready for Thursday. Either gonna be Pace or Bellamy as the starter. Jody Webb and Martin Ruiz might get some playing time as well.
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I'm trying to move comments about the Dayton game back here and away from that MSU thread.
ScarletRook,
To answer your question about why we should win comfortably: we are bigger, stronger, and faster at virtually every position. For example, the weights of the Dayton offensive and defensive lines (from their own media release.)
O-Line, from tackle to tackle: 270 - 280 - 265 - 270 - 240
D-Line, the front in their 4-3 alignment: 230 - 240- 240 - 220
Good luck trying to play with that!
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I'm trying to move comments about the Dayton game back here and away from that MSU thread.
ScarletRook,
To answer your question about why we should win comfortably: we are bigger, stronger, and faster at virtually every position. For example, the weights of the Dayton offensive and defensive lines (from their own media release.)
O-Line, from tackle to tackle: 270 - 280 - 265 - 270 - 240
D-Line, the front in their 4-3 alignment: 230 - 240- 240 - 220
Good luck trying to play with that!
Yikes
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Wick
Thanks for the information.
This is my 2nd football season back within driving distance
and I am excited for the opener. No connections to YSU
except I used to live in the area and attend games years ago,
but already have gameday jitters. Will make the 2 + hr drive
Thursday so it will be a short night. GO GUINS
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I've been looking forward to a YSU-Dayton matchup for a long time. There was a Dayton fan who posted on here from time to time who was very confident Dayton could play with or even beat YSU. I tried to explain to him that the top tier DIII teams would beat Dayton since that's what they basically are.
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I've been looking forward to a YSU-Dayton matchup for a long time. There was a Dayton fan who posted on here from time to time who was very confident Dayton could play with or even beat YSU. I tried to explain to him that the top tier DIII teams would beat Dayton since that's what they basically are.
I rememeber those threads Go...blast from the past for sure. A 240 lb Tackle? Wow.
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From College Sports Madness:
Dayton at #23 Youngstown State, Thursday, 7:30
A battle of two lesser-known Ohio football teams concludes the Thursday schedule, but Youngstown State is no lightweight team. Youngstown State went 7-4 last year and split its MVFC schedule equally at 4-4. Youngstown State has lost nine straight matches to Dayton, so the team is hungry to make sure the 10th loss in a row does not take place. Dayton competes in the Pioneer League for football and there the Flyers went 5-3 (6-5 overall). Will the 10th time be the charm?
Projected Score: Dayton 27, Youngstown State 20
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A good friend has a nephew that plays for Dayton.
He said they (Flyers) don't believe we can stop their offense
and their defense can hold us under 24 points.
Even went as far as to call of D-line a bunch of slugs. WOW
GO GUINS
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From College Sports Madness:
Dayton at #23 Youngstown State, Thursday, 7:30
A battle of two lesser-known Ohio football teams concludes the Thursday schedule, but Youngstown State is no lightweight team. Youngstown State went 7-4 last year and split its MVFC schedule equally at 4-4. Youngstown State has lost nine straight matches to Dayton, so the team is hungry to make sure the 10th loss in a row does not take place. Dayton competes in the Pioneer League for football and there the Flyers went 5-3 (6-5 overall). Will the 10th time be the charm?
Projected Score: Dayton 27, Youngstown State 20
This guys loves him some Pioneer League football - he also has Butler losing South Dakota State in overtime.
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Understanding that computer rankings leave a lot to be desired this early in the year:
Sagarin has YSU a 25 point favorite
Massey projects a 37-7 YSU win (he has YSU as #8 in FCS, but #5 in the Valley. He clearly likes the Valley.
Dunkle Index has YSU as 27 1/2 point favorite.
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A good friend has a nephew that plays for Dayton.
He said they (Flyers) don't believe we can stop their offense
and their defense can hold us under 24 points.
Even went as far as to call of D-line a bunch of slugs. WOW
GO GUINS
Is it Thursday yet?
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Is it Thursday yet?
What's the rush? We're slugs. Might as well go home.
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27 - 20 Dayton is a laughable prediction....our starters will not see a snap in the second half.....
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I have never heard of College Sports Madness. I guess every American has a constitutional right to be ignorant and to demonstrate that quality over the internet. If I hear any more talk about 0-9 vs. Dayton, I am going to puke. Even Scalzo screwed that up in the Vindicator today when he stated that both YSU and Dayton were D2 during the last meeting in 1977. For the benefit of young posters, Dayton held a huge scholarship advantage in each and every of those nine games. They were in the top classification every time while we were first called "small college" and then D2. Now, our 63 scholarships go up against their "need-based" grants. 27-20. Right. That will happen on the same day that Columbiana beats St. Ignatius.
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This website usually does a good job with their game previews.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/
I found out about this website when we were ranked highly a few years ago. YSU posted the ranking in the game preview and on their website siting college sports madness so I went and checked it out and have since visited the site for game previews.
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I think the Dayton guys must have mistakenly thought that we are playing a basketball game. What have they been smoking?
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This website usually does a good job with their game previews.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/
I found out about this website when we were ranked highly a few years ago. YSU posted the ranking in the game preview and on their website siting college sports madness so I went and checked it out and have since visited the site for game previews.
They lose a lot of credibility by citing a winning streak when the last matchup was 1977 as the only source of "insight" as to why Dayton would win.
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Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - For weather fanatics addicted to being out in the hot sun, laying on a sand-filled beach as ocean waves crash around, the transition into fall can be, at times, deplorable.
The days become shorter, while temperatures during the day drop from hot to mild and at night from cool to cold. Beach days are not only limited, they're restricted.
If you stop and take in your surroundings when the fall season sets in, you can feel a noticeably cooler sensation in the air. It feels crisp. It feels refreshing. If you love summer so much, it feels like the end of an era.
But if you're a sports fan, it feels like the start of football season.
There's no mistaking it. There's excitement abound for the first kickoff since January (well, technically the Super Bowl was the first weekend in February, but you get the point), and it's a tangible excitement.
For months, fans have been waiting to host viewing parties to support their team, or hungered for a chance to grill up some food at a tailgate while tossing a football around.
What we've all been waiting for starts Thursday night.
The last FCS season ended like the exciting finale of a fireworks show, with North Dakota State defeating Sam Houston State for the second consecutive year to earn the national crown. As the Bison get set to take on Big 12 co-champion Kansas State on Friday, it will be hard for coach Craig Bohl's team not to think about the possibility of becoming the second program in FCS history to win three straight national titles.
The title game is a ways down the road, though. For now, players, coaches and fans alike can bask in the enjoyment of seeing teams take the field for the first time this season.
And there are some perfectly intriguing matchups to open the season.
On Thursday night, Towson travels to Storrs, Conn., to take on the Connecticut Huskies. Sure, UConn is a model for Northeast FBS college football, and Towson enters the game as one of the premiere FCS teams.
In the past few seasons, Towson has shown it can play up to the level of its competitors. Although the Tigers never came away with a victory against an FBS team, they hung tough with both Kent State in the 2012 season opener and with No. 3-ranked LSU just a few weeks later.
It never hurts to return an All-American runner in junior Terrance West, and a solid defense will complement the explosive offense nicely. Don't count out the Tigers just because of the FCS-to-FBS jump.
But perhaps the most eye-catching matchup of the first weekend is on Saturday night in Missoula, Mont. Twelfth-ranked Appalachian State travels to face the No. 20-ranked Grizzlies, who suffered their first losing season in years in 2012. The contest has the potential to be one of the best non-conference games not just in Week 1, but for the season.
Montana returns starting quarterback Jordan Johnson (who was suspended for the 2012 season) and a stingy defense led by senior linebacker Jordan Tripp. The fact the Grizzlies had to suffer through a disappointing 2012 campaign under then-first year coach Mick Delaney will leave them hungry to return to relevance.
Appalachian State gets set to move upward into the FBS come the start of the 2014 season, but will still look to spoil a few FCS teams' playoff hopes this year. The Mountaineers are led by senior quarterback Jamal Londry-Jackson, a Walter Payton Award candidate, but will be without the services of top receiver Sean Price, who is serving a team suspension after his recent arrest.
Keep a close watch on App State and Montana Saturday as well as Bethune-Cookman at Tennessee State in the Sunday nightcap. There's a rivalry there featuring these two historically black colleges, and both teams are looking to make a serious playoff push in their respective conferences.
Bask in it, football fans, the season is finally here.
FCS AWARDS
In the FCS Huddle writer Brandon Lawrence's predicted winners for three of the FCS Awards:
Walter Payton Award (outstanding player) Terrance West, Towson, RB, 5-11, 223 - Two years ago, West won the first Jerry Rice Award as the nation's top freshman. His football knowledge and maturity level have grown exponentially along with his ability since then. Who has a down year of scoring 14 touchdowns on the ground? A freakishly talented football player, that's who.
Buck Buchanan Award (outstanding defensive player) Stephon Robertson, James Madison, LB, 5-11, 230 - As an undersized linebacker, Robertson certainly makes up for what he lacks with his ball-hawking ability. Like Marcus Williams of North Dakota State (another Buchanan Award favorite), Robertson is a game-changer when he is on the field.
Eddie Robinson Award (coach of the year) Mick Delaney, Montana - I also like Joe Walton of Robert Morris, who is retiring at the end of this season, as a contender for the Robinson Award. But Delaney has a great chance of turning last year's losing season into a deep playoff team. It's always nice to get your top QB back as well.
The following is a game-by-game breakdown for The Sports Network FCS Top 25 and other select games (all times ET):
Thursday, Aug. 29
No. 13 Illinois State (0-0) at Ball State (0-0)
Kickoff: 7 p.m. (ESPN3.com)
What to know: Ball State and Illinois State used to have something of a rivalry back in the day. The last time the two squads met was in 1993 - a 45-30 Ball State victory. The Cardinals, though, are coming off a 2012 trip to the Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl (the what?) and a 9-4 overall campaign.
The trouble for Illinois State this season will be matching the production of departed quarterback Matt Brown, although the Redbirds think they have something in Iowa State transfer Jared Barnett. There will be some pressure on Colton Underwood and the defense to try to keep Ball State's Keith Wenning (Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award watch list) and Jahwan Edwards (Doak Walker Award watch list) at bay.
Ball State coach Pete Lembo knows a thing or two about FCS play as well, having won the Eddie Robinson Award in 2001 while coaching Lehigh.
Prediction: Ball State 30, Illinois State 20
UT Martin (0-0) at No. 24 Chattanooga (0-0)
Kickoff: 7:30 p.m. (Charter/CSN Sports Southeast)
What to know: The Mocs return an impressive 20 starters (10 on both sides of the ball) from a 6-5 overall campaign. Where the success starts for Chattanooga is on the defensive side, especially with defensive end Davis Tull. The junior recorded 12.5 sacks and 19 tackles for loss when earning co-Southern Conference defensive player of the year honors last year.
His defensive teammates are hardly a "supporting cast," but rather standouts themselves. Wes Dothard commands the middle linebacker role while D.J. Key scouts the backfield at strong safety.
UT Martin is coming off a very successful season, going 8-3 and ranking 10th in the FCS in passing offense. But quarterback Derek Carr is gone, and so goes his 31 touchdown tosses with him. That's the tough part for the Skyhawks. It may take them a few games to get their feet under them.
Prediction: Chattanooga 31, UT Martin 17
No. 11 Towson (0-0) at Connecticut (0-0)
Kickoff: 7:30 p.m. (ESPN3.com)
What to know: Towson has done a great job of scheduling tough FBS contests over the past few years, and this season is no exception. Opening against UConn is going to be a near insurmountable task for the Tigers, but if history is any indicator, they (almost) play up to the level of their competitors.
Last season, the Tigers opened on the road in Ohio at Kent State, which historically hasn't had much of a successful football program, though the Golden Flash defied that label and went 11-2 with a loss in the GoDaddy.com Bowl. Towson dropped the opening contest by 20 points, but still managed to put up three scores in Week 1 against an FBS opponent.
Let's not forget the trip to LSU three weeks later. Then-No. 3 in the country, LSU let Towson hang around before eventually pulling away for a 38-22 victory. The point is: Towson can hang around and put a bit of a scare into considerably better opponents.
Terrance West returns to the Tigers' backfield, while Peter Athens, a fifth- year senior, brings plenty of experience to the quarterback position. Just because Towson will likely drop this game to the Huskies doesn't mean it's an indicator of how the program will fare in 2013.
Prediction: UConn 34, Towson 21
Jacksonville (0-0) at Delaware (0-0)
Kickoff: 7:30 p.m.
What to know: Delaware is looking to bounce back after a losing season that led to the firing of K.C. Keeler, a national championship-winning coach. Now Dave Brock, the former offensive coordinator at Rutgers, takes the helm with what he hopes will be healthy players capable of doing damage.
Andrew Pierce is back to full strength, which is the biggest positive for the Blue Hens. Jacksonville defensive lineman Juan Pimienta will be the greatest threat to Pierce, but the senior running back may be too much for the Dolphins to handle.
The Dolphins defense gave up an average of 129.9 rushing yards per game to opponents in 2012 and didn't face a feature back nearly as talented as Pierce.
Sophomore quarterback Kade Bell now has a year's worth of playing time under his belt for Jacksonville, but hasn't faced a CAA Football opponent in his career. The greatest opposition the Dolphins faced last season was Georgia Southern - a 58-0 trouncing the Eagles laid on Jacksonville in Week 1.
Prediction: Delaware 34, Jacksonville 13
Incarnate Word (0-0) at No. 7 Central Arkansas (0-0)
Kickoff: 8 p.m.
What to know: If you're superstitious, then I apologize for what comes next.
Central Arkansas is 12-0 since laying down purple and gray turf on its football field in Conway, and that interesting yet ultimately meaningless statistic is on the line here against Incarnate Word.
Rest assured, the Bears retain Wynrick Smothers at quarterback, who led Central Arkansas to the second round of the FCS playoffs last season.
But UCA coach Clint Conque also suspended two starters, running back Willie Matthews and offensive lineman C.J. Simon, for the game.
It's the first season UIW is playing Division I football at the FCS level. The Cardinals will transition into Southland Conference play before the 2014 season starts, but for now have a jumbled schedule as an independent. The Cardinals recently hired former NFL standout Ricky Williams to help coach their running backs. That's a positive. But it will be a steep learning curve.
Prediction: Central Arkansas 45, Incarnate Word 10
Monmouth (0-0) at No. 2 Montana State (0-0)
Kickoff: 9:05 p.m.
What to know: This game will mark the first meeting between the two programs, and Monmouth will soon find out there's a reason Rob Ash's team continues to get better.
Montana State, for the first time in program history, has recorded back-to- back 10-plus win seasons (the Bobcats went 11-2 in 2012), but the chance to play for a national title eluded them both times. Both playoff defeats came at the hands of Sam Houston State - the national runner-up two years running.
The Bobcats enter this season with guns blazing, as DeNarius McGhee, Cody Kirk and Tanner Bleskin anchor the high-powered Bobcats offense. Monmouth, with returning star wideout Neal Sterling, will look to try and cancel out some of Montana State's production. It's a pretty daunting task.
Prediction: Montana State 41, Monmouth 17
Friday, Aug. 30
No. 1 North Dakota State (0-0) at Kansas State (0-0)
Kickoff: 8:30 p.m. (FOX Sports 1)
What to know: Stating the obvious: North Dakota State is coming off back-to- back national championship seasons, and returns 18 starters from last year's team. They're good. Really, really good.
Here's another one for you: Kansas State won a share of the Big 12 championship last season. The fact of the matter is, no matter how good North Dakota State will be this season, it'll take much more than what the Bison have to bring down an FBS powerhouse.
Heisman Trophy finalist Collin Klein is no longer with the Wildcats, but they return receivers Tyler Lockett and Tremaine Thompson - their top two scoring pass catchers from last season.
North Dakota's top-ranked FCS defense will have its hands full this first week, but the Bison have a downhill ride the rest of the way if you look past Kansas State.
Prediction: Kansas State 34, North Dakota State 21
No. 18 Northern Arizona (0-0) at Arizona (0-0)
Kickoff: 10 p.m. (PAC-12 Network)
What to know: Northern Arizona doesn't have a nice history when it comes to playing instrastate FBS foe Arizona. The Lumberjacks are a dismal 1-11 all- time against the Wildcats, though you can't expect a whole lot better when playing a Pac-12 team.
The most intriguing aspect of this game will be the running back matchup. NAU's Zach Bauman is a Walter Payton Award candidate, while Arizona's Ka'Deem Carey notched several All-America honors in 2012. The last time these two backs went head-to-head, Bauman outrushed Carey, 99 yards to 59.
Northern Arizona will make a strong push for the Big Sky Conference crown this season, and a blip on the radar against a strong FBS opponent shouldn't mess up the Lumberjacks' title plans.
Prediction: Arizona 41, Northern Arizona 20
Saturday, Aug. 31
No. 5 Villanova (0-0) at Boston College (0-0)
Kickoff: noon (ESPNews)
What to know: These two teams haven't met since the 1980 season - a 20-9 Villanova victory. The Wildcats return a slew of talent from last year's roster, including Jerry Rice Award winner John Robertson under center and junior running back Kevin Monangai, both of whom were 1,000-yard rushers.
It's never an easy task for an FCS program to take on an FBS counterpart, especially considering Boston College recently had national acclaim and still boasts strong athletes. Chase Rettig threw for 3,065 yards and 17 touchdowns for the Eagles last season and will be looking to get his team back in the bowl hunt in 2013.
Opponents outscored the Eagles by nearly 10 points per game last season. Stopping the ground attack was their kryptonite, as teams rushed for an average of 215.3 yards per game. Running the ball is what Villanova does best, so expect a very run-heavy playbook from coach Andy Talley.
Prediction: Villanova 24, Boston College 21
Albany (0-0) at Duquesne (0-0)
Kickoff: 12:10 p.m.
What to know: Albany split from the Northeast Conference after last season to join the CAA, but finds itself right back on a familiar field in Pittsburgh against the Dukes in Week 1.
Albany split the conference title last season with Wagner, but lost out in a tiebreaker when it came time for the NCAA selection committee to map out the playoff field. Things don't get easier for the Great Danes as they get ready to play some of the most talented teams in the nation in the CAA, but a matchup with Duquesne will ease the transition.
Dukes linebacker Dorian Bell has heard his name called in a fair number of preseason accolades, and will be hunting Danes quarterback Will Fiacchi this weekend. However, since it's the first week and no CAA teams have had the opportunity to feast on the newcomer Albany, the Danes should be healthy and ready to pick up where they left off against NEC teams from a year ago.
Prediction: Albany 31, Duquesne 27
Jacksonville State (0-0) at Alabama State (0-0)
Kickoff: 6 p.m.
What to know: Everything Alabama State does offensively starts with Isaiah Crowell, the junior running back who transferred in from Georgia several years back. He dominated his sophomore campaign with 842 yards and 15 touchdowns on the ground. He is the go-to playmaker for the Hornets.
The intriguing part of the matchup is that Jacksonville State returns its top seven tacklers to an experienced defense, and will likely be the focal point in first-year coach Bill Clark's scheme. The Gamecocks offense may be the anchor that weighs the team down, despite the return of DeMarcus James. Inexperience at the quarterback position contributes to that weight.
What it comes down to is this: Even if Jacksonville State's defense limits Crowell and the Hornets offense, can the Gamecocks offense do enough damage to scrape out a win between these two above-average teams? The answer is likely no.
Prediction: Alabama State 24, Jacksonville State 14
Savannah State (0-0) at No. 8 Georgia Southern (0-0)
Kickoff: 6 p.m.
What to know: There's every chance in the world that if Georgia Southern were eligible for the FCS playoffs this season, it would have a top-five preseason ranking. But the Eagles are, in fact, not eligible for the playoffs or a Southern Conference title as they prepare to move upward into the FBS. That, according to coach Jeff Monken, isn't going to stop them from trying to win every game.
And poor Savannah State, standing in the way of an Eagles team still looking to unload on the FCS before moving on for good. The Tigers averaged a mere 13.4 points per game last season - over 20 points per game fewer than Georgia Southern.
Jerick McKinnon returns as the starting quarterback for the Eagles, and was the team's leading rusher. That's not good news for the Tigers, who allowed 286.5 rushing yards per game to opponents in 2012. That, however, is good news for McKinnon and the Eagles, who racked up 399.4 rushing yards per game.
Prediction: Georgia Southern 49, Savannah State 7
Central Connecticut State (0-0) at No. 19 James Madison (0-0)
Kickoff: 6 p.m.
What to know: Right now the status of sophomore quarterback Michael Birdsong is still a bit iffy heading into JMU's season opener against Central Connecticut State.
The second-year signal caller recently underwent an emergency appendectomy, but returned to practice and took some reps a little over a week ago.
That won't affect CCSU's offense, though. Returning tailback and return specialist Rob Hollomon is an All-Northeast Conference selection, but throw him up against Buck Buchanan Award candidate Stephon Robertson and the tide may turn against him. Robertson led all JMU tacklers last year with 101 total stops, while overall the Dukes defense allowed just 122.5 rushing yards per game to opponents.
CCSU will have its hands full with a serious CAA title contender to start the season.
Prediction: James Madison 30, Central Connecticut State 14
No. 4 Eastern Washington (0-0) at Oregon State (0-0)
Kickoff: 6 p.m. (Pac-12 Network)
What to know: Eastern Washington is a very impressive football team. It's absolutely worth noting the Eagles reached the FCS national semifinals last year, and won a national championship back in 2010.
But the prospect of taking on No. 25-ranked Oregon State is just too much for the Eagles to handle.
Although Eastern Washington has fared well against Pac-12 teams in the past few seasons (lost 24-20 to Washington State in 2012, and fell 30-27 to Washington in 2011), Oregon State is a different creature. The Beavers were ranked as high as No. 7 in the nation last Oct. 22. They outscored their opponents by an impressive 423-268 margin last season. And, to make matters worse for EWU, both quarterbacks who started last year for Oregon State are back in Sean Mannion and Cody Vaz.
To pile on a superstitious yet oddly foreshadowing stat: The two previous seasons in which OSU played host to the Eagles (2000 and 2006, both Beavers victories), Oregon State went on to win 11 games and 10 games, respectively - the best two seasons in program history.
Prediction: Oregon State 42, Eastern Washington 24
VMI (0-0) at No. 16 Richmond (0-0)
Kickoff: 6 p.m.
What to know: Although the all-time series between the Spiders and Keydets isn't very lopsided (43-40-5 in favor of Richmond), the last 10 meetings between the programs have been as lopsided as it gets.
Richmond seeks its 11th straight win over VMI on Saturday. The Spiders last year earned a share of the CAA regular season title, but were denied a playoff berth at season's end. Richmond returns 17 starters, including standout receiver Ben Edwards.
If last year's stats count for anything, the Keydets will have to put up more than 12 points (they averaged 12.1 per game in 2012) to match Richmond's 33.2 per game average. That's tough to do against a defense returning eight starters.
Prediction: Richmond 38, VMI 10
No. 25 Coastal Carolina (0-0) at South Carolina State (0-0)
Kickoff: 6 p.m.
What to know: Coastal Carolina is one of two teams that has a very realistic shot at winning the Big South Conference this season, the other being Liberty. Coastal made an appearance in last year's FCS playoffs, and dropped Bethune- Cookman in the first round before bowing out (being embarrassed, actually) to Old Dominion.
History is on Coastal's side, as the Chanticleers hold a 14-1 record against MEAC teams since the CCU football program was started 11 years ago. And while Coastal returns key pieces to a very explosive offense, South Carolina State will need to score more than the 18.5 points per game it averaged last season.
Controlling the turnover margin will be huge for the Bulldogs. While they lost as many fumbles as their opponents in 2012 (10), they turned the ball over through the air twice as many times as the teams they played (18 interceptions to opponents' nine). It won't get easier for SCSU in Week 2, either, when the Bulldogs travel to face Clemson.
Prediction: Coastal Carolina 34, South Carolina State 20
Houston Baptist (0-0) at No. 3 Sam Houston State (0-0)
Kickoff: 7 p.m.
What to know: Sam Houston State has been to back-to-back national finals and lost both times to North Dakota State. That ought to fuel a fire, right?
The Bearkats return a small amount of starters from last season (five on each side of the ball), but those returnees are certainly impact players. It starts in the backfield with Timothy Flanders, who rushed for 1,662 yards and 17 touchdowns in 2012, and quarterback Brian Bell. Both players were instrumental in getting Sam Houston State to the playoffs and past No. 3 Montana State and No. 2 Eastern Washington.
Houston Baptist will join Sam Houston in the Southland Conference in 2014, and will be playing a developmental season as a first-year program. Welcome to the world of football, Huskies.
Prediction: Sam Houston State 56, Houston Baptist 14
Butler (0-0) at No. 6 South Dakota State (0-0)
Kickoff: 7 p.m.
What to know: South Dakota State enters this season in an immense shadow of its rival to the north - Missouri Valley Football Conference foe North Dakota State - despite coming into the 2013 campaign as the No. 6-ranked team in the nation.
The Jackrabbits will look to prove they can step out into the sun this season behind Zach Zenner, the FCS leader in rushing yards last season. Zenner tallied 2,044 yards as a sophomore, and is one of the front-runners for the Walter Payton Award this time around.
The Pioneer Football League's Butler will look to slow Zenner, which will be extremely difficult. The Bulldogs gave up an average of 179.4 rushing yards per game to opponents last season, and having Zenner stand opposite them doesn't bode well for the Bulldogs' season opener.
All-PFL quarterback Matt Lancaster can put up some points for Butler in this matchup, but it will be the defense that needs to play above and beyond to have a chance in this one.
Prediction: South Dakota State 44, Butler 20
San Diego (0-0) at No. 14 Cal Poly (0-0)
Kickoff: 7:05 p.m.
What to know: Vince Moraga was named the starting quarterback for Cal Poly a week ago, replacing successful signal caller Andre Broadous in a high-powered Mustangs offense.
The Toreros know a thing or two about high-powered offenses, though, and boast one of their own. Returning quarterback Mason Mills led the FCS last season in completion percentage (.700), connecting on 20 touchdown passes for over 3,100 yards.
The new news for PFL teams is that the league champion will receive a first automatic berth into the FCS playoffs, and 2012 tri-champion San Diego is the favorite to be that first team into the postseason.
But that doesn't change the fact there is a talent gap between the Big Sky Conference and the Pioneer League. Cal Poly went 9-3 overall last season, and defeated San Diego handedly in Week 1 a year ago. Expect the Mustangs to start strong again.
Prediction: Cal Poly 35, San Diego 24
No. 8 Wofford (0-0) at Baylor (0-0)
Kickoff: 7:30 p.m. (FOX Sports Network)
What to know: The toughest part about starting up the 2013 season for Wofford will be not getting to unleash Eric Breitenstein on opponents. The Terriers' all-time leading rusher amassed 5,730 yards in his collegiate career, while accounting for 19 rushing touchdowns in 2012.
Baylor isn't going to find out what the wrath of Breitenstein felt like. Lucky Baylor. Though the Terriers have playmakers still on this team, especially on the defensive side in Alvin Scioneaux. Scioneaux will come in handy, as Baylor returns its top two rushers from 2012 in Glasco Martin and Lache Seastrunk, who accounted for 22 rushing touchdowns.
Wofford is still a top contender for the SoCon title, but Baylor kicks off a pretty tough schedule for the Terriers in 2013.
Prediction: Baylor 30, Wofford 17
No. 17 Northern Iowa (0-0) at Iowa State (0-0)
Kickoff: 8 p.m. (Cyclones.TV)
What to know: The Panthers are 73-5 in the Mark Farley era when they hold opponents to 20 points or less. Likewise, they are 68-4 under coach Farley when they score 30 or more points.
It's tough to hold an FBS offense to fewer then 20 points, so running back David Johnson will have his work cut out for him if Northern Iowa hopes to drop over 30 points on the Cyclones. Johnson's stats against the FBS highlight his ability, though. He's totaled 398 all-purpose yards in UNI's last three meetings with FBS programs.
Unfortunately for the Panthers, it will take more than one standout performance to take down the Cyclones, who ranked 38th in scoring defense in the FBS a year ago.
Prediction: Iowa State 27, Northern Iowa 20
No. 21 Eastern Illinois (0-0) at San Diego State (0-0)
Kickoff: 8 p.m. (Mountain West Network)
What to know: The Panthers have possibly the best quarterback-to-receiver duo in the entire FCS in Jimmy Garoppolo to Erik Lora, both of whom appear on the Walter Payton Award watch list. Eastern Illinois ended the 2012 season on a sour note, falling to South Dakota State in the first round of the FCS tournament, 58-10.
Lora set the FCS single-season record in 2012 for most receptions with 136, and needs just 23 receptions to become the Ohio Valley Conference career leader. He'll likely accomplish that early next month.
But as is the case with any FBS opponent, the disparity in the level of play can be pretty evident. San Diego State took hold of the Mountain West Conference last season with a 7-1 league record and a Poinsettia Bowl berth. The Aztecs are picked to finish second in the Mountain West this year, just behind Fresno State. Tailback Adam Muema helps their cause significantly. As a sophomore in 2012, he rushed for 1,458 yards and 16 touchdowns. And as a defense, Eastern Illinois gave up 170.2 rushing yards per game to opponents.
Prediction: San Diego State 35, Eastern Illinois 24
No. 12 Appalachian State (0-0) at No 20 Montana (0-0)
Kickoff: 9 p.m. (Max Media)
What to know: Appalachian State is not eligible for the SoCon title and a national playoff spot because the team is over the scholarship limit as it transitions into FBS life. But that doesn't mean the Mountaineers are going to roll over and concede this season to its FCS opponents.
Jamal Londry-Jackson had a productive game against the Grizzlies last season, throwing for 260 yards and two touchdowns, while rushing for a third score. But that was in Boone, N.C.. This year's matchup features a talented Montana squad months removed from a losing season. Defensive stars like Jordan Tripp and Zack Wagenmann will look to shut down Londry-Jackson and the high-flying Mountaineers offense. And this game in Missoula.
Expect a close game right down to the finish. It may even come down to which team has the ball last.
Prediction: Appalachian State 27, Montana 24
Sunday, Sept. 1
Mississippi Valley State (0-0) vs. Florida A&M (0-0) in MEAC/SWAC Challenge
Kickoff: 11:45 a.m. (ESPN)
What to know: The MEAC holds a 6-2 advantage in the annual MEAC/SWAC Challenge, including two consecutive victories for Bethune-Cookman in the event that features HBCU schools.
Florida A&M has gotten the better of Mississippi Valley State both times the two schools clashed, most recently in 1990. The Rattlers have an arsenal of offensive weaponry returning in 2013, which includes all-conference preseason quarterback Damien Fleming, running back James Owens and receiver Lenworth Lennon.
The Rattlers' high-powered offense will battle nicely with MVSU's defense, which was among the national leaders last season. The Delta Devils will look to preseason All-American Robert Simpson on the defensive line to hold up last season's FCS fourth-ranked total defense.
MVSU is playing its first game since place-kicker Kevin Monzon died in a car crash in April.
Prediction: Florida A&M 24, Mississippi Valley State 17
No. 23 Bethune-Cookman (0-0) at Tennessee State (0-0)
Kickoff: 8 p.m. (ESPN3.com)
What to know: You'd better believe Bethune-Cookman is looking to avenge its playoff loss last season to Coastal Carolina. And while the Wildcats were probably smiling big on the inside when Old Dominion completely embarrassed CCU in the second round, they likely realize they need to step their game up to reach that next level.
Brian Jenkins has his squad ready to go for 2013, which includes a superbly talented defense and an all-conference running back in Isidore Jackson.
Don't overlook Tennessee State, either, as it finished 8-3 last season in the Ohio Valley Conference. Led by cornerback Stephen Godbolt III, the Tigers defense can be just as overwhelming as Bethune-Cookman's. If anything, Tennessee State is just as angry about being overlooked when it came to a playoff spot as B-CU was after losing in the first round.
It's impossible to overlook the fact Tennessee State quarterback Michael German is suspended for the first two games of the season, though. Redshirt freshman Ronald Butler will get the start.
Prediction: Bethune-Cookman 28, Tennessee State 20
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TSN coverd the top 25 team games as usual, but they left our a game preview on #24.
So much disrespect from them all of the time. Sick of it. They need object ive writers.
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I posted the full article for proof.
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If anyone wants to check out the UD football board....
http://www.udpride.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=11 (http://www.udpride.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=11)
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Gonna be closer than people think.... Ysu by 17
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Gonna be closer than people think.... Ysu by 17
Especially if we go another season without understanding how to defend the forward pass.
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Especially if we go another season without understanding how to defend the forward pass.
The slant passes killed us and they are difficult to defend unless the QB is laying on his back. Maybe why Sirl is listed as NT, trying to get speed out of the front 4.
Dayton (I'm told) runs a hurry up, fast paced offense Oregon style so substitutions will be a problem.
YSU by 17? I'll take that. It only takes 1 to win.
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They can run that offense Scarlet, but it is not like the Ducks at all. UD will huddle. In fact , we will be in more no-huddle than they will. I am not comfortable with this season, but I am comfortable with this game. I too agree that a good DII squad is much more difficult that anything in PL. That being said, there are about 15 DII squads that would handily beat us. However, there are about 75 that would defeat UD.
Also, we should not fool ourselves into thinking that UD football players are non-scholarship. It is simply the type of scholarship.
Also the Vindy article is wrong (common Joe! We will give you an early-season pass) Dayton was DI when they were beating us every year. We were DII, UD was never DII. Then UD dropped down and played DIII football & DI basketball. That was back before the rules changed, then all colleges had to be playing all sports at the same level. So, they developed I-AA non-scholarship for all the basketball folks ...Butler, St. Mary's, Gonzaga, Detroit, Valpo, Dayton, Xavier, etc.
Then many of those still dropped football all together. My uncle was on football scholarship at Marquette, back when they had football. He was out of Ursuline. Then Marquette and UDM both dropped football, as they found out that it was not "truly non-scholarship".
As to that person on the UD board comparing themselves to an Ivy League school ...in terms of football scholarships. The Ivy League schools offer open-ended grants. This means a person has their entire life to pay it back ...and repayment can be forgiven by the university at any time. SO an Ivy League team is not even close to a non-scholarship team (like UD). In fact, I would bet that more players on Harvard receive some form of full-ride financial aid, than do those on YSU's team. Furthermore. Harvard (as with the rest of the Ivy) could not complete against any team from the MVFC ...which is why they do not participate in the play-off. (you can believe that Ivy League academic standards BS all you want; but the truth is that they cannot compete and their players are as stupid, or smart, as any other schools). Penn is the only team that even has a chance.
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They can run that offense Scarlet, but it is not like the Ducks at all. UD will huddle. In fact , we will be in more no-huddle than they will. I am not comfortable with this season, but I am comfortable with this game. I too agree that a good DII squad is much more difficult that anything in PL. That being said, there are about 15 DII squads that would handily beat us. However, there are about 75 that would defeat UD.
Also, we should not fool ourselves into thinking that UD football players are non-scholarship. It is simply the type of scholarship.
Also the Vindy article is wrong (common Joe! We will give you an early-season pass) Dayton was DI when they were beating us every year. We were DII, UD was never DII. Then UD dropped down and played DIII football & DI basketball. That was back before the rules changed, then all colleges had to be playing all sports at the same level. So, they developed I-AA non-scholarship for all the basketball folks ...Butler, St. Mary's, Gonzaga, Detroit, Valpo, Dayton, Xavier, etc.
Then many of those still dropped football all together. My uncle was on football scholarship at Marquette, back when they had football. He was out of Ursuline. Then Marquette and UDM both dropped football, as they found out that it was not "truly non-scholarship".
As to that person on the UD board comparing themselves to an Ivy League school ...in terms of football scholarships. The Ivy League schools offer open-ended grants. This means a person has their entire life to pay it back ...and repayment can be forgiven by the university at any time. SO an Ivy League team is not even close to a non-scholarship team (like UD). In fact, I would bet that more players on Harvard receive some form of full-ride financial aid, than do those on YSU's team. Furthermore. Harvard (as with the rest of the Ivy) could not complete against any team from the MVFC ...which is why they do not participate in the play-off. (you can believe that Ivy League academic standards BS all you want; but the truth is that they cannot compete and their players are as stupid, or smart, as any other schools). Penn is the only team that even has a chance.
The UD guys have been lurking here, hopefully this opens their eyes
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Anything less than scoring 50 on them would be a disappointment! :-)
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I was in Stambaugh Stadium for about an hour today in and around the ticket office. Steady stream of students and fans purchasing tickets and the phone lines looked to be going nonstop. Now I am not predicting a sellout, but with absolutely perfect weather and virtually no competition NCAA wise, I would expect to see around 17-18k for this opener tomorrow evening.
Whether some fans like it or not, night games are popular with a large portion of the fan base.
YSU by 24.
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Should be a great atmosphere!!!!
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This game won't even be close. Come on Dayton fans, your just not in the same league....
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GAME DAY
We can talk all we want, the fun of a fan board, but it is the job of the team to perform and the job of the fans to support the team. Here is to everyone doing their job!
GO GUINS!
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Have no fear; YSU will be up to the task (Dayton)! YSU should win handily by 20-24 points.
It should be a great evening with a lot of excitement.
GO PENGUINS!!!!
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Time to get our 1st win vs Dayton!! Looking for a packed house tonight under the lights. Should be a lot of fun!!
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Team looks bad so far., might be a loooooong season.
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On 3rd down they go lateral to the tightend rather than horizontal... When will we see the benfits of this experienced/seasoned coaching staff and depth?
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We won't. Wolford isn't the answer. Hopefully he is gone after this year. I'm really thought we would smack this team but it just isn't very impressive.
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We won't. Wolford isn't the answer. Hopefully he is gone after this year. I'm really thought we would smack this team but it just isn't very impressive.
Wolford hasn't been the problem, its been Stoops and the rest of his sh*tty defensive crew. Im Sick of that loser getting a free pass based on his name alone and not actuall coaching abillity . all 4 losses last year we gave up at least 35 points, the year before 3 out of 5 losses we gave up 35 or more. They should have brought in a whole new group this year, i wasn't expecting a blowout because its their first game under some new systems on the OL and Mangino has some play calling say being the AHC, if the offense continues to struggle later in the year then its time to be concerned.
Plus look how long Heacock got to hang around, Wolford is here for the forseeable future, the BOT doesn't want to rotate coaches every few years
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You obviously aren't a real fan. Heacock took us to the semi finals in 2006. Winning season in 2007. Losing seasons in 2008 & 2009. Fired. He didn't "hang around". The guy took us to the national semi finals in 06 and 3 years later he was gone. That's more than we can say for wolford.
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You obviously aren't a real fan. Heacock took us to the semi finals in 2006. Winning season in 2007. Losing seasons in 2008 & 2009. Fired. He didn't "hang around". The guy took us to the national semi finals in 06 and 3 years later he was gone. That's more than we can say for wolford.
You obviously aren't a real fan. What the hell did he do from 01-05 to deserve to be the coach in 06 and 07? i find it absotluley hillarious you left out he had losing seasons in 03 and 04 including a combined 4-10 Confrence record, in 9 years he went to the playoffs twice, i call that hangining around when he should have never seen the 05 season let alone 06 or 07. Maybe it was his outstanding 34-30 confrence record that made him so good ::) not a real fan, lol get the hell outta here troll, nice job leaving out facts only to fit your pathetic agenda.
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I know many schemes have changed and many are scene as old. However, with a noticeable size, speed and athleticism advantage why not have Hess under center and throw slants across the middle to any of the receivers? It seems as though the plays are so slow to develop.... Dayton isnt providing any pressure and probably shouldnt. I know many will use the excuse we dont want to show are SPECIAL PLAYS since its Dayton... Thats the popular excuse but the size of the crowd tells me they need to give the fans a reason to come to the game....... WHERES THE EXCITEMENT?
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I know many schemes have changed and many are scene as old. However, with a noticeable size, speed and athleticism advantage why not have Hess under center and throw slants across the middle to any of the receivers? It seems as though the plays are so slow to develop.... Dayton isnt providing any pressure and probably shouldnt. I know many will use the excuse we dont want to show are SPECIAL PLAYS since its Dayton... Thats the popular excuse but the size of the crowd tells me they need to give the fans a reason to come to the game....... WHERES THE EXCITEMENT?
Bryan and Wheary aren't exactly burners at the WR spot.
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The fact is..... We went to the semi finals. If we fired him in 05 ( we split the conference that year) we prob wouldn't have gone to the semi finals in 06. What's your point? You probably never played football, right?
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The fact is..... We went to the semi finals. If we fired him in 05 ( we split the conference that year) we prob wouldn't have gone to the semi finals in 06. What's your point? You probably never played football, right?
The fact is, he is one of the worst HCs we have seen in the last 50 years, his track record does speak for itself after all, if not the worst. you should probably stop calling people out after you get owned so hard the first time, just a tip. so How many more facts are you going to leave out to fit you're worthless agenda? still ignoring the fact he only made the playoffs twice in almost a decade? thats pretty sh**ty if you ask me, and many many many others at YSU. But hey keep telling yourself whatever lies you have too i guess.
I wonder what universe having 2 good years in a decade is acceptable, i sure hope YSU never sinks to that low again
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This year we have actually gotten into the offenses backfield (note: Its against Dayton)...Next year maybe we will be able to tackle?
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What about having zero good years??
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27 - 20 Dayton is a laughable prediction....our starters will not see a snap in the second half.....
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I have never heard of College Sports Madness. I guess every American has a constitutional right to be ignorant and to demonstrate that quality over the internet. If I hear any more talk about 0-9 vs. Dayton, I am going to puke. Even Scalzo screwed that up in the Vindicator today when he stated that both YSU and Dayton were D2 during the last meeting in 1977. For the benefit of young posters, Dayton held a huge scholarship advantage in each and every of those nine games. They were in the top classification every time while we were first called "small college" and then D2. Now, our 63 scholarships go up against their "need-based" grants. 27-20. Right. That will happen on the same day that Columbiana beats St. Ignatius.
......... :o
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Gonna be closer than people think.... Ysu by 17
....... :)....... ;)...... >:(
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This game won't even be close. Come on Dayton fans, your just not in the same league....
......... :o
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Defense played OK on the bright side.
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I want YSU to be successful and I hate to harp on the negatives but where do we go from here (Dayton game)? After 4 recruiting classes how do you not have someone that makes a difference on the defense? I dont see where we are plugging in players after graduation and building a program we were told they would build? Recruiting may be better and should be based on the facilities that YSU offers at this level but gameday prep and ingame coaching is a big concern..... With that said im sure Wolford is upset with his teams performance and execution. However, its the coaches job to get the most out of the players and have them succeed and overachieve......
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Sideline reporter girl is cute too!!!
So we have that going for us.
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What about having zero good years??
not enough to keep his job 8) but like i said, you keep ignoring those years before 06, you just dig a deeper hole with every childish post.
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Ugly win, Hess played pretty bad tonight but the offense did score a TD every quarter, on to morehead state
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Hess was bad. He never had it tonight. Bellamy looked very good. That was the big time D1 recruit we expected to see 3 years ago. Glad he is finally healthy.
Defense was the story of the night. They were pretty darn good with great pressure on the Dayton QB, a couple of interceptions, and a couple of sacks. Rush defense is stout and the pass defense held its own and had numerous pass breakups. When Peterman comes back, it will be better.
At the end of the day we won 28-10 despite having four turnovers. Dayton really only sustained one real long drive all night and that was when they scored the TD. They should win 6-7 games this year.
Eliminate the turnovers and get Hess' head out of his you know what before this Morehead State game.
Not the performance we wanted to see, but numerous weaknesses were exposed in game 1 that can be fixed. Lets see how this staff responds.
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Ugly win, Hess played pretty bad tonight but the offense did score a TD every quarter, on to morehead state
Ditto
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Hess was bad. He never had it tonight. Bellamy looked very good. That was the big time D1 recruit we expected to see 3 years ago. Glad he is finally healthy.
Defense was the story of the night. They were pretty darn good with great pressure on the Dayton QB, a couple of interceptions, and a couple of sacks. Rush defense is stout and the pass defense held its own and had numerous pass breakups. When Peterman comes back, it will be better.
At the end of the day we won 28-10 despite having four turnovers. Dayton really only sustained one real long drive all night and that was when they scored the TD. They should win 6-7 games this year.
Eliminate the turnovers and get Hess' head out of his you know what before this Morehead State game.
Not the performance we wanted to see, but numerous weaknesses were exposed in game 1 that can be fixed. Lets see how this staff responds.
I dont care how the front 7 looked, no matter what happened theres absolutley nothing you can get a read on about the front 7 after tonight, Dayton has an OL smaller then some HS teams around North East Ohio. If they couldn't dominate then we aren't winning 5 games this year.
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Hess was bad. He never had it tonight. Bellamy looked very good. That was the big time D1 recruit we expected to see 3 years ago. Glad he is finally healthy.
Defense was the story of the night. They were pretty darn good with great pressure on the Dayton QB, a couple of interceptions, and a couple of sacks. Rush defense is stout and the pass defense held its own and had numerous pass breakups. When Peterman comes back, it will be better.
At the end of the day we won 28-10 despite having four turnovers. Dayton really only sustained one real long drive all night and that was when they scored the TD. They should win 6-7 games this year.
Eliminate the turnovers and get Hess' head out of his you know what before this Morehead State game.
Not the performance we wanted to see, but numerous weaknesses were exposed in game 1 that can be fixed. Lets see how this staff responds.
I dont care how the front 7 looked, no matter what happened theres absolutley nothing you can get a read on about the front 7 after tonight, Dayton has an OL smaller then some HS teams around North East Ohio. If they couldn't dominate then we aren't winning 5 games this year.
I believe that Dayton had 10 senior starters on O. I am not sure how many years they have all played together but a lot of experience none the less.
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Hess was bad. He never had it tonight. Bellamy looked very good. That was the big time D1 recruit we expected to see 3 years ago. Glad he is finally healthy.
Defense was the story of the night. They were pretty darn good with great pressure on the Dayton QB, a couple of interceptions, and a couple of sacks. Rush defense is stout and the pass defense held its own and had numerous pass breakups. When Peterman comes back, it will be better.
At the end of the day we won 28-10 despite having four turnovers. Dayton really only sustained one real long drive all night and that was when they scored the TD. They should win 6-7 games this year.
Eliminate the turnovers and get Hess' head out of his you know what before this Morehead State game.
Not the performance we wanted to see, but numerous weaknesses were exposed in game 1 that can be fixed. Lets see how this staff responds.
I dont care how the front 7 looked, no matter what happened theres absolutley nothing you can get a read on about the front 7 after tonight, Dayton has an OL smaller then some HS teams around North East Ohio. If they couldn't dominate then we aren't winning 5 games this year.
I believe that Dayton had 10 senior starters on O. I am not sure how many years they have all played together but a lot of experience non the less.
experiance doesn't make up for lack of size/talent, not one bit. the LT was what 250? all 4 of our starting DL are at least that size.
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I know that Dayton is notorious for not updating the player's weights from their freshman year. The o line and d line looks more like this:
O-Line : 290 - 300 - 275 - 275 - 285
D-Line : 240 - 275 - 270 - 235
Still smaller than YSU, but not as bad as the UD roster makes it seem.
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Hess. Aka Mr. Overrated. Horrible was an understatement tonight. Bellamy was a beast!!! That's what everybody thought he would be when he came here 2 years ago. Just a sloppy game. Need to regroup
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And I was impressed with the defense. Especially the D-Line and LB's. Travis Williams was all over the place, Teven too. I know it was just Dayton, but they dominated. Anybody know the injury on Teven? Saw he had ice wrapped around his foot on the sidelines.
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I know that Dayton is notorious for not updating the player's weights from their freshman year. The o line and d line looks more like this:
O-Line : 290 - 300 - 275 - 275 - 285
D-Line : 240 - 275 - 270 - 235
Still smaller than YSU, but not as bad as the UD roster makes it seem.
I doubt it
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Defense-C. If we play like we did tonight against a Valley team we will get embarrassed. Sloppy game. Defesnive backs shouldn't have allowed a single pass receptiion. Dayton converted 3rd downs they had no business converting. For me the defense is still not fixed. We didn't get pressure unless we blitzed. The only good thing is that the LB's made a lot of tackles. They would have gotten an F if it were against better competition we were STILL out of position in coverage on several plays.
Offense -F. Horrible performance by the offense all around. The OL outweighed the DL by ~50 lbs and hess still got sacked he should have had a decade to throw the ball. Hess needs to pull his head out of his azz. He is a senior and we should have expected more out of him-regardless of the level of competition. He was off all night. They should have been able to play the second team QB. Bellamy did not show me that he is the answer. I thought Pace was the better RB. Bellamy broke free on a play and looked like he slowed down after he got to the second level-only to get caught. What I was really suprised at was the fact that we didn't have holes big enought to drive a bus through. We also had too many stupid penalties. I was not impressed with the play calling or the execution and there were no stand outs to me.
Special Teams-A+ what a drastic improvment. This was the real difference in the game. I thought that the special teams was the most improved unit. Excellent progress compared to last year.
At the end of the day we will not even be in the middle of the pack of the conference if we play like that against more talented teams.
Heacock & Wolford comparison:
Here are my thoughts on this. I do not have any loyalties to coaches (Perhaps only with Tressel) in today's game because the coaches are not loyal to the fans in most cases. I think that you just have to hope you have an excellent coach and you can hold on to him for a while if he is good.
Heacock was not a recruiter, he was a coach. He could do a lot with less. Heacock had some bad seasons in his early years because Tressel took the talented brain trust to Ohio State and left some real bafoons at YSU. I don't blame him for doing that, he needed the brain trust there. Heacock was a defensive coach and he was left with John Klacik.
In 2001 and 2002 YSU had a national championship caliber defense and a grade school offense that was run by the village idiot (Klacik). It took heacock too long to fire Klacik and by the time he did he lost his recruiting advantage.
In 2005 the team was good enough to make noise in the playoffs, but the schedule that the athletic department put together had too many D2 teams and the 8-3 record didn't get YSU into the post season (plus the dirty tramp Patty Viverito got no respect for the Gateway/Valley it took NDSU winning two NC's for the Valley to get respect). YSU was left out of the post season in 2005 and it was bullsh!it.
In 2006 heacock won the connference and made it to the semifinals and really gave App State the best competition they had all year.
In 2007 YSU was snubbed from the playoofs again and the w**** (Patty Viverito) couldn't even influence the committee (and I think Strollo was on the selection committee that year) and only 2 valley teams made the playoff that year. I think the CAA got 5 teams.
Heacock made less than half of what Wolford makes and Heacock had little money to offer his assistant coaches (loose change to give the stripper viverito). There was a smaller recruiting budget, there was no indoor practice facility and there was no updated lockeroom, but most importantly there was no money to get good assistant coaches.
There is a huge difference in resources provided to Heacock Vs Wolford. Regardless, neither has gotten the job done, but I think Heacock is a better coach and Wolford is a better recruiter.
Heacock is one of the finest DC's in college football. The entire family has excellent defensive minds. Heacock knew what it took to win a National Championship (so does Mangino) because he was a part of the the decade of excellence. Wolford brings us no such knowledge. His focus on offense is typical of a big 12 school like Kansas State.
Wolford is learning but still does not fully understand that defense wins championships. To me Wolford has the keys to a shiny new race car, but he doesn't understand how to drive a stick shift yet and there is going to be more gear grinding before he is fully competent. Hopefully Mangino can serve as the instructor in the passangers seat. We still have a long way to go, but last night was a step backward. There are no more tractors here so we should be favored to win the Indianapolis 500 right?
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I know that Dayton is notorious for not updating the player's weights from their freshman year. The o line and d line looks more like this:
O-Line : 290 - 300 - 275 - 275 - 285
D-Line : 240 - 275 - 270 - 235
Still smaller than YSU, but not as bad as the UD roster makes it seem.
I doubt it
There was no way in hell Dayton's #56 was 240. He was at least 280-285 on that OL. You come here and complain all game long, leading me to believe you weren't even there in person. I was there in person and their OL was bigger than what their website says... End of story.
Disagree with your assessment on our defense penguin power. That defense will shut down most rushing attacks on our schedule. With Peterman returning in a few weeks, the pass defense will improve.
Again... We won by 18 with 4 turnovers. I predicted a 21 point win and we came close to it. You guys expecting a 40 point stomping had no regard for our opponent. This is the offense we saw in the final 3 games of last season with a much improved defense.
Nonetheless, the results around the MVFC as a whole last night were ugly. ILSU and INSU got pounded by relatively weak FBS schools. MSU lost to Northwestern State? WIU had a big win over Hampton.
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Let's not all panic yet. Yes our passing game looked bad but the special teams much improved. Defense pass coverage still an issue. Dayton is better than we think and they had a lot of seniors and will probabply win 8 games. The most improvement is between game 1 and game 2. Morehead State lost to Pikeville(ky) 13-10 last night so this may be a much easier game than anticipated. We need to get our backups some live experience especially the quaterbacks. If we struggle against Morehead then we all need to panic.
Really disappointed in the turnout at the game. Only 12,000.
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It seems that Hess developed PTSD during that pic 6 at the NDSU beating last year, and hasn't been the same since. I recall being amazed at his performance at Penn State in his and Wolford's first game, as well in the win at Pitt. Last night was bad. Overthrown passes when there was time in the pocket. Botched snap. Pics. I do think it is time to groom somebody for next season and give them playing time.
Strollo again during an interview restated that playoffs are the expectation here, despite one playoff season since he has become AD. Really just a slogan anymore. It occurred to me last night that YSU is no where close to a playoff caliber team, and likely wont be in the next upcoming seasons. Last year at this time we beat Pitt, and a year later we struggle with a PFL team. Seems highly improbable we'll have a winning record in the MVFC, and maybe not even for the season as a whole. The team has regressed rather than improve. Strollo hired Heacock, and Wolford and is ultimately accountable. Yes we have new facilities. Is there a campus that isn't renovating and adding new buildings? The WATTS is due to Tressel more than Strollo.
As far as Heacock versus Wolford, Heacock was not in the playoffs at this point yet either, and got clobbered by BCS teams, where Wolf has beaten one. Wolf beat UNI, Heacock...no. Heacock inherited a championship caliber team, and only had to maintain it. Wolford inherited a mess, and was asked to rebuild it. Big difference. Strollo never should've renewed Heacock's contract, and should not renew Wolford's either, unless there is a playoff invite this year (doubtful).
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Gotta disagree with you on the defense. They looked fast and physical. If it wasn't for Dayton's QB being so shifty, we woulda had 10 sacks!! That dude kept escaping. Pass defense was a little shaky but you could tell they were just playing vanilla zone. Don't wanna show too much. Plus we have 2 brand new starters in the secondary. A RS Freshman and a transfer who's been on the team for 2 and 1/2 weeks..... I also disagree with you on Bellamy. He looks like he lost weight. He carried (literally) the team on his back because Hess sucks. Pace looked ok. He's just so big, he just runs people over. Bellamy is still big and has some speed and shifty moves. He and Hymes will make a good 1-2 punch
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Let's not all panic yet. Yes our passing game looked bad but the special teams much improved. Defense pass coverage still an issue. Dayton is better than we think and they had a lot of seniors and will probabply win 8 games. The most improvement is between game 1 and game 2. Morehead State lost to Pikeville(ky) 13-10 last night so this may be a much easier game than anticipated. We need to get our backups some live experience especially the quaterbacks. If we struggle against Morehead then we all need to panic.
Really disappointed in the turnout at the game. Only 12,000.
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11,500 of which were sitting on their hands, knitting, nodding off, sipping on metamucil, or calling security because 3 kids in front of them stood up when YSU scored.
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I am not writing off Hess like some.
This kid has been great for 3 years and now he is done? YSU fans are like Browns fans without the noise. "He stinks" and "Hess sucks" should never show up on my computer screen.
Here is the problem as I see it...................OL and DL
Think about it We lost everybody but Elkins from what was arguably the best OL here in a long time----the replacements either haven't reached the level of improvement they needed or they shouldn't be here in the first place.
DL---My memory fails a bit but didn't we lose everyone there too? Again we try to fix the DL with JUCOs every couple years. I hate that route, while realizing that any stud DL in high school ain't coming to YSU.
In both areas it is tough to win when you are starting guys that have the talent level of back-ups. Whether that is poor evaluation when recruiting, poor progression of improvement, or whatever I don't know. But those are the problem areas as I see them.
BTW Chris Sammarone did a great job on the radio last night.
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I talked with several people who claimed that the ticket office told them the game was sold out and also the website. Friends of mine didn't make it until late in the 2nd quarter because they were told byYSU there were no tickets available. Not sure where the information breakdown occurred.
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I talked with several people who claimed that the ticket office told them the game was sold out and also the website. Friends of mine didn't make it until late in the 2nd quarter because they were told byYSU there were no tickets available. Not sure where the information breakdown occurred.
They must work in the Union.
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I am not writing off Hess like some.
This kid has been great for 3 years and now he is done? YSU fans are like Browns fans without the noise. "He stinks" and "Hess sucks" should never show up on my computer screen.
Here is the problem as I see it...................OL and DL
Think about it We lost everybody but Elkins from what was arguably the best OL here in a long time----the replacements either haven't reached the level of improvement they needed or they shouldn't be here in the first place.
DL---My memory fails a bit but didn't we lose everyone there too? Again we try to fix the DL with JUCOs every couple years. I hate that route, while realizing that any stud DL in high school ain't coming to YSU.
In both areas it is tough to win when you are starting guys that have the talent level of back-ups. Whether that is poor evaluation when recruiting, poor progression of improvement, or whatever I don't know. But those are the problem areas as I see them.
BTW Chris Sammarone did a great job on the radio last night.
Hess is very overrated. He's a system QB. Can't read coverages very well and when stuff breaks down and he has to make a decision, he crumbles and chokes. This isn't new for me. Been saying it for 3 years. Great kid, just an average QB... But I will agree, besides Elkins and Bryant, the OL does need some work. D-Line looked fantastic. Coleman and Rivers looked fast off the edge and Octavius Brown and Krmoah are big stuffers in the middle
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I am not writing off Hess like some.
This kid has been great for 3 years and now he is done? YSU fans are like Browns fans without the noise. "He stinks" and "Hess sucks" should never show up on my computer screen.
Here is the problem as I see it...................OL and DL
Think about it We lost everybody but Elkins from what was arguably the best OL here in a long time----the replacements either haven't reached the level of improvement they needed or they shouldn't be here in the first place.
DL---My memory fails a bit but didn't we lose everyone there too? Again we try to fix the DL with JUCOs every couple years. I hate that route, while realizing that any stud DL in high school ain't coming to YSU.
In both areas it is tough to win when you are starting guys that have the talent level of back-ups. Whether that is poor evaluation when recruiting, poor progression of improvement, or whatever I don't know. But those are the problem areas as I see them.
BTW Chris Sammarone did a great job on the radio last night.
Hess is very overrated. He's a system QB. Can't read coverages very well and when stuff breaks down and he has to make a decision, he crumbles and chokes. This isn't new for me. Been saying it for 3 years. Great kid, just an average QB... But I will agree, besides Elkins and Bryant, the OL does need some work. D-Line looked fantastic. Coleman and Rivers looked fast off the edge and Octavius Brown and Krmoah are big stuffers in the middle
apparentley watching Hess play is new to you
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I know that Dayton is notorious for not updating the player's weights from their freshman year. The o line and d line looks more like this:
O-Line : 290 - 300 - 275 - 275 - 285
D-Line : 240 - 275 - 270 - 235
Still smaller than YSU, but not as bad as the UD roster makes it seem.
I doubt it
There was no way in hell Dayton's #56 was 240. He was at least 280-285 on that OL. You come here and complain all game long, leading me to believe you weren't even there in person. I was there in person and their OL was bigger than what their website says... End of story.
Disagree with your assessment on our defense penguin power. That defense will shut down most rushing attacks on our schedule. With Peterman returning in a few weeks, the pass defense will improve.
Again... We won by 18 with 4 turnovers. I predicted a 21 point win and we came close to it. You guys expecting a 40 point stomping had no regard for our opponent. This is the offense we saw in the final 3 games of last season with a much improved defense.
Nonetheless, the results around the MVFC as a whole last night were ugly. ILSU and INSU got pounded by relatively weak FBS schools. MSU lost to Northwestern State? WIU had a big win over Hampton.
the coaches check their weight every month, ill take their word over yours all day long, your wrong, end of story.
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It seems that Hess developed PTSD during that pic 6 at the NDSU beating last year, and hasn't been the same since. I recall being amazed at his performance at Penn State in his and Wolford's first game, as well in the win at Pitt. Last night was bad. Overthrown passes when there was time in the pocket. Botched snap. Pics. I do think it is time to groom somebody for next season and give them playing time.
Strollo again during an interview restated that playoffs are the expectation here, despite one playoff season since he has become AD. Really just a slogan anymore. It occurred to me last night that YSU is no where close to a playoff caliber team, and likely wont be in the next upcoming seasons. Last year at this time we beat Pitt, and a year later we struggle with a PFL team. Seems highly improbable we'll have a winning record in the MVFC, and maybe not even for the season as a whole. The team has regressed rather than improve. Strollo hired Heacock, and Wolford and is ultimately accountable. Yes we have new facilities. Is there a campus that isn't renovating and adding new buildings? The WATTS is due to Tressel more than Strollo.
As far as Heacock versus Wolford, Heacock was not in the playoffs at this point yet either, and got clobbered by BCS teams, where Wolf has beaten one. Wolf beat UNI, Heacock...no. Heacock inherited a championship caliber team, and only had to maintain it. Wolford inherited a mess, and was asked to rebuild it. Big difference. Strollo never should've renewed Heacock's contract, and should not renew Wolford's either, unless there is a playoff invite this year (doubtful).
the Freshman Ricky Davis seems next in line from what i've heard/read but they want to get the extra year out of him so he's hopefully going to RS all year
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One problem I have with the crowd..... MOVE THE STUDENTS TO THE HOME SIDE. That really irritates me
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I waited until I cooled off before commenting. I recommend that course of action to everybody. We coughed up the football seven times (two picks, two lost fumbles, three retained fumbles.) Eliminate all or most of those errors and it becomes a 49-7 game and we are all a lot happier today.
Hess was bad but why this piling on? He knows it, Wolford knows it, we all know it. Regardless of Hess' performance, Nania must play one half against Morehead State and Duquesne. That must be scripted and not dependent upon the score in any way.
I was upset with the defense only once last evening, because it duplicated a lack of focus that we have been enduring for far too long. After we scored to lead 21-3 in the third quarter, we allowed that team to drive the length of the field for their touchdown. An unacceptable letdown that must end.
The Dayton punter boomed his first kick. Thereafter, Stubbs was ten yards too deep on each subsequent kick. Most were short and then bounced away. One he lunged at and fumbled. That positioning error was entirely on the coaches. However, as someone stated, in general the special teams were better.
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One problem I have with the crowd..... MOVE THE STUDENTS TO THE HOME SIDE. That really irritates me
Why, I love that they are right behind the bad guys let them taunt. Also keeps the opposing fans from getting close to their team.
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No panic button yet. If we are going to make the play offs we will need to win in November. For whatever reason it seems the Pitt game and the North Dakota game messed this team pysche. I was actually surprised with the crowd turnout. As for Hess he will come around. The secondary still is a weakness and with no pass rush it will be exploited. on offense we forgot about using te.
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The only thing that sold out last night was the student allotment of tickets. Clearly the rest of the stadium was not full. Poor communication by some it sounds like...
And all is not lost folks, Kent used a late Colin Reardon (Poland HS) TD pass to beat FCS Liberty 17-10. This is a Kent team that was loaded last year and had their best season... Perhaps ever.
I will take the 18 point win over Dayton. Need to eliminate the turnovers next week and good things will happen.
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I waited until I cooled off before commenting. I recommend that course of action to everybody. We coughed up the football seven times (two picks, two lost fumbles, three retained fumbles.) Eliminate all or most of those errors and it becomes a 49-7 game and we are all a lot happier today.
Hess was bad but why this piling on? He knows it, Wolford knows it, we all know it. Regardless of Hess' performance, Nania must play one half against Morehead State and Duquesne. That must be scripted and not dependent upon the score in any way.
I was upset with the defense only once last evening, because it duplicated a lack of focus that we have been enduring for far too long. After we scored to lead 21-3 in the third quarter, we allowed that team to drive the length of the field for their touchdown. An unacceptable letdown that must end.
The Dayton punter boomed his first kick. Thereafter, Stubbs was ten yards too deep on each subsequent kick. Most were short and then bounced away. One he lunged at and fumbled. That positioning error was entirely on the coaches. However, as someone stated, in general the special teams were better.
Also Bellamy slowed down on that 80 yard run and as a result he didn't make it into the end zone. >:(
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The only thing that sold out last night was the student allotment of tickets. Clearly the rest of the stadium was not full. Poor communication by some it sounds like...
And all is not lost folks, Kent used a late Colin Reardon (Poland HS) TD pass to beat FCS Liberty 17-10. This is a Kent team that was loaded last year and had their best season... Perhaps ever.
I will take the 18 point win over Dayton. Need to eliminate the turnovers next week and good things will happen.
Kent also lost a ton of starters, their coaches from last year and their best player and a heisman canidate in the 1st possesion of the game, thats a pretty terrible comparison to make between the 2 games.
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Been gone from this board for a while.
See we have some new posters.
I am going to ruminate on posts for about a week and then I will see if I am argumentative or not.
This is gonna be a fun year. Wolford is under the gun, attendance, defensive shortcomings, O. L. problems (which will turn into QB problems), the Mangino effect, recruiting and why we are behind a lot of the MVFC teams in recruiting, talent evaluation, blah blah blah, lack of speed at WR and DB, how you pronounce Dubem's name, how you pronounce Cheaib's name, lots of stuff.
Lots to talk about
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Been gone from this board for a while.
See we have some new posters.
I am going to ruminate on posts for about a week and then I will see if I am argumentative or not.
This is gonna be a fun year. Wolford is under the gun, attendance, defensive shortcomings, O. L. problems (which will turn into QB problems), the Mangino effect, recruiting and why we are behind a lot of the MVFC teams in recruiting, talent evaluation, blah blah blah, lack of speed at WR and DB, how you pronounce Dubem's name, how you pronounce Cheaib's name, lots of stuff.
Lots to talk about
Always enjoyed your analysis. OT... What's the deal with Boardman's tiny football roster. How's the Cards looking.
Go GUINS!
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I know many schemes have changed and many are scene as old. However, with a noticeable size, speed and athleticism advantage why not have Hess under center and throw slants across the middle to any of the receivers? It seems as though the plays are so slow to develop.... Dayton isnt providing any pressure and probably shouldnt. I know many will use the excuse we dont want to show are SPECIAL PLAYS since its Dayton... Thats the popular excuse but the size of the crowd tells me they need to give the fans a reason to come to the game....... WHERES THE EXCITEMENT?
Bryan and Wheary aren't exactly burners at the WR spot.
Depends on your definition of burner--doubt that too many men on the field can outrun Wheary.
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I know many schemes have changed and many are scene as old. However, with a noticeable size, speed and athleticism advantage why not have Hess under center and throw slants across the middle to any of the receivers? It seems as though the plays are so slow to develop.... Dayton isnt providing any pressure and probably shouldnt. I know many will use the excuse we dont want to show are SPECIAL PLAYS since its Dayton... Thats the popular excuse but the size of the crowd tells me they need to give the fans a reason to come to the game....... WHERES THE EXCITEMENT?
Bryan and Wheary aren't exactly burners at the WR spot.
Depends on your definition of burner--doubt that too many men on the field can outrun Wheary.
Wheary was timed at 4.63 in the spring, i dont know anybody who would consider that burner for a WR
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I really like this kid. I am a new fan of his. I like what he has to say about the defense about how every man was confident they weren't getting into the engine on the goal line stand
http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/home
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I know many schemes have changed and many are scene as old. However, with a noticeable size, speed and athleticism advantage why not have Hess under center and throw slants across the middle to any of the receivers? It seems as though the plays are so slow to develop.... Dayton isnt providing any pressure and probably shouldnt. I know many will use the excuse we dont want to show are SPECIAL PLAYS since its Dayton... Thats the popular excuse but the size of the crowd tells me they need to give the fans a reason to come to the game....... WHERES THE EXCITEMENT?
Bryan and Wheary aren't exactly burners at the WR spot.
Depends on your definition of burner--doubt that too many men on the field can outrun Wheary.
Wheary was timed at 4.63 in the spring, i dont know anybody who would consider that burner for a WR
4.63 is not "burner" speed in my book either--some of the fastest sprinters in the world can run 40yds.in the low 4.3's with starting blocks yet many high school football players supposedly run 4.3's without starting blocks--bottom line although I take 40 times with a grain of salt I still believe that with equipment on not too many men on the field will outrun Wheary.
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With only one eye of vision remaining at my young age, even I can see "Trouble ahead".
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t and accept that. Wages and results seem not to be a factor. Down the road, trust me.....the reason for failure will be Fans not in the seats, or those who are...ARE! ARE NOT YELLING LOUDLY ENOUGH....give me a reason to make noise, I'll be there. Wonder IF just ONCE the coaching staff could step up and take their SHARE of the blame????? DOUBTFUL.
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I know many schemes have changed and many are scene as old. However, with a noticeable size, speed and athleticism advantage why not have Hess under center and throw slants across the middle to any of the receivers? It seems as though the plays are so slow to develop.... Dayton isnt providing any pressure and probably shouldnt. I know many will use the excuse we dont want to show are SPECIAL PLAYS since its Dayton... Thats the popular excuse but the size of the crowd tells me they need to give the fans a reason to come to the game....... WHERES THE EXCITEMENT?
Bryan and Wheary aren't exactly burners at the WR spot.
Depends on your definition of burner--doubt that too many men on the field can outrun Wheary.
Wheary was timed at 4.63 in the spring, i dont know anybody who would consider that burner for a WR
4.63 is not "burner" speed in my book either--some of the fastest sprinters in the world can run 40yds.in the low 4.3's with starting blocks yet many high school football players supposedly run 4.3's without starting blocks--bottom line although I take 40 times with a grain of salt I still believe that with equipment on not too many men on the field will outrun Wheary.
Theres a ton of players who will outrun wheary, he's not football fast or track fast.
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Chris Carter wasn't a speedster either but he is in the Hall of Fame.
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Chris Carter wasn't a speedster either but he is in the Hall of Fame.
Carter was also 6'4 and had hands of glue along with being an elite route runner, Wheary doesn't have any of those
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My question is why don't they take the opportunity to get Hess some straight drop back pass experience in this early going of the season? I hear so many people talk about his lack of confidence and that winning edge, but how does he get that when every pass play is a play action, misdirection or the like. When we hit MVFC play, there is a lot of merit in having a quarterback who can line up and just straight throw the ball. And I don't mean pretend to run an off tackle sneak and then toss it out to a WR on the edge. I mean straight take the snap, drop back and throw the ball. I don't hate everything we do on offense trying to keep the defense quessing but at the end of the day there is always the need to just line up and play... To complete a big pass when the defense and everyone in the stands knows it's a pass. To run up the middle when everyone knows that's exactly what you're doing. Skill on skill and nothing more. Until Wofford places more responsibility on Hess to be an intregal part of winning the game... To say we are going to make you throw the ball and win this game for us... He'll never turn the corner as a quarterback and a leader. I don't blame the player... And I definitely think he's got the tools and physical attributes to succeed at the position.
As to the game itself, we can't get sooo caught up in who the Opponent was. The days of "the given win" are over in college football... There's just too many good athletes out there these days and they aren't all in FBS and elite FCS. Pitt learned that last year... Morehead St learned that this week against NAIA Pikeville. Long story short Dayton was a decent team that we made look like a great team. They had a quarterback who did a phenomenal job getting away from pressure and were able to put together some solid drives.
Overall, I think there won't be a lot of indication of where this team is at until we play SIU on Sept. 28th. Morehead State looks like they won't be able to offer enough challenge on either side of the ball (particularly offense) to gauge our ability. Mich St should be pretty self-explanatory. And Duquesne will be similar to Morehead State... Prob just not enough depth to give an accurate assessment of our potential.
For now, it's important to just keep coming out and supporting. Way too early to say where the season will go. Hopefully, this game can be motivation to keep their eyes on the goal and never take a day off... Have to improve every week...
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Because thats a requirement in the offense. you cant name me a spread offense that doesn't play their QB like that
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AFGuin: don't think they have to change the overall spread philosophy but there are just sometimes where you need to just throw the ball. I don't think they allow that enough. Arizona utilized Matt Scott last season very creatively in the spread but still allowed for ample opportunities for him to step back and throw. Miss St. did something similar with Tyler Russell (prob a better comparison as Russell has a greater similarity to Hess than Scott). These teams didn't exit the spread offensive philosophy at any point in the game... But there were situations where they said "we need a big pass" and they allowed (and relied on) their QB to simply step back and make a big play.
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AFGuin: don't think they have to change the overall spread philosophy but there are just sometimes where you need to just throw the ball. I don't think they allow that enough. Arizona utilized Matt Scott last season very creatively in the spread but still allowed for ample opportunities for him to step back and throw. Miss St. did something similar with Tyler Russell (prob a better comparison as Russell has a greater similarity to Hess than Scott). These teams didn't exit the spread offensive philosophy at any point in the game... But there were situations where they said "we need a big pass" and they allowed (and relied on) their QB to simply step back and make a big play.
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Sounds like what YSU has done the last 3 years
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Hess has on major flaw that makes him a system QB- he struggles with the downfield pass. He is not particularly accurate downfield. Majoe problem trying to stretch defenses.
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It drives me out of my mind that we cannot catch a punt??? If you are not going for the block, especially against a punter who is not very good, then put 2 guys back 10 yards apart and CATCH THE BALL!!!! We let it roll 25 yards down the field or have to come running up and make a feeble attempt at catching the punt...Terrible!!!!
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Chris Carter wasn't a speedster either but he is in the Hall of Fame.
Carter was also 6'4 and had hands of glue along with being an elite route runner, Wheary doesn't have any of those
Speed and size not a necessity to be a good receiver according to Steve Largent who was 5'11"--hopefully Hess will rebound and throw the ball to the receivers--not sure how sure-handed they are yet but I saw them open numerous times last game.
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Keep in mind, it's the first game.... Vs Dayton. Everything was vanilla as to the play calling. Don't wanna show too much. I'm only worried about Hess
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For those who feel that Dayton was a worthy opponent and that we really did not play that poorly, you might want to ponder today's results. In the Pioneer League pre-season coaches poll, San Diego was picked first, with Butler second, and Dayton fifth. Today, Cal Poly beat San Diego 38-16 while South Dakota State mauled Butler 55-14. That is why some of us are worried....very worried.
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Chris Carter wasn't a speedster either but he is in the Hall of Fame.
Carter was also 6'4 and had hands of glue along with being an elite route runner, Wheary doesn't have any of those
Speed and size not a necessity to be a good receiver according to Steve Largent who was 5'11"--hopefully Hess will rebound and throw the ball to the receivers--not sure how sure-handed they are yet but I saw them open numerous times last game.
Largent has over a 15 YPC average in his career, He had some pretty good speed, much faster then Wheary.
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For those who feel that Dayton was a worthy opponent and that we really did not play that poorly, you might want to ponder today's results. In the Pioneer League pre-season coaches poll, San Diego was picked first, with Butler second, and Dayton fifth. Today, Cal Poly beat San Diego 38-16 while South Dakota State mauled Butler 55-14. That is why some of us are worried....very worried.
and you add in NDSU and NIU got FBS wins this weekend and SIU only lost by a TD and YSU looks even worse
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For those who feel that Dayton was a worthy opponent and that we really did not play that poorly, you might want to ponder today's results. In the Pioneer League pre-season coaches poll, San Diego was picked first, with Butler second, and Dayton fifth. Today, Cal Poly beat San Diego 38-16 while South Dakota State mauled Butler 55-14. That is why some of us are worried....very worried.
and you add in NDSU and NIU got FBS wins this weekend and SIU only lost by a TD and YSU looks even worse
Please, I beg of all YSU fans, NIU is NORTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY; UNI is UNIVERSITY OF NORTHERN IOWA. Please get it right.
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Chris Carter wasn't a speedster either but he is in the Hall of Fame.
Carter was also 6'4 and had hands of glue along with being an elite route runner, Wheary doesn't have any of those
Speed and size not a necessity to be a good receiver according to Steve Largent who was 5'11"--hopefully Hess will rebound and throw the ball to the receivers--not sure how sure-handed they are yet but I saw them open numerous times last game.
Largent has over a 15 YPC average in his career, He had some pretty good speed, much faster then Wheary.
Not my point @ all--speed and size NOT a necessity to be a good receiver Largent had neither yet averaged 15 YPC. Fact:Wheary is no Largent--Fact:Largent was NOT fast --pro scouts considered him much too slow even after he cut his 40 time drastically down to a 4.65--not what most would consider "pretty good speed" and not a time that will get me to believe that he was "much faster" than Wheary.