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1AA just heard this on the NDSU forum. Can you research this for clarity. I often miss what I look at.
Morehead State Athletic Director Brian Hutchinson, the new chair of the FCS Playoffs Committee, dropped the bomb that the committee would be releasing a WEEKLY RANKING on its top ten before Selection Sunday.
The first reveal comes on THURSDAY.
Three points the chair stated in the interview with NDSU broadcasters were 1. Looking to possible start of another bracket. 2. In the tournament the committee will attempt to avoid conference matchups and regional matchups. 3. Games won (strength of schedule) especially the out of conference games (dismissed are games against Division II and NAIA teams) are very important since once the conference schedule begins the strength of conference schedule is all they have to work with. Playing teams such as Eastern Washington and Montana and winning are extremely important.
Remember their are 24 teams selected now but the top ten teams in the early poll certainly meet the criteria now for selection by the NCAA committee. This will be the first time revelation of where teams stand is publicized well ahead of selection Sunday.
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How does a top 10 list help anything other than revealing who might be seeded? NC A&T is 7-1 and ranked #10. Of course they'll be selected. Why not have a top 30, and see who is on the bubble?
2. In the tournament the committee will attempt to avoid conference matchups and regional matchups.
About damn time
3. Games won (strength of schedule) especially the out of conference games (dismissed are games against Division II and NAIA teams) are very important since once the conference schedule begins the strength of conference schedule is all they have to work with. Playing teams such as Eastern Washington and Montana and winning are extremely important.
shhhh...ppl get their panties in a bunch when you criticize our OOC schedule, the moRon who schedules it, and its negative impact on playoff selection.
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I will see what I can find. SOS has always been a component. What people were lobbying for is to have the FBS games dropped along with the sub-DI games ...but the committee seems intent on keep all DI classified as is, despite obvious disadvantage of FCS as compared to FBS.
The ranking really means nothing if it is not in a bracket. That I find hard to believe will happen. DIII has the best model and I would suspect this is where we are going as well. They do not even look at teams initially, everything is location and region and conference ...as it should be. It hurts the stronger conferences though, but gives a much more fair approach to participation. Look at the increased performance of the Big South as they gained more exposure to the play-off. Two teams a serious discussion. On the other hand it is clear that some conferences are simply deeper than others.
The only moron will be the one that considers OOC schedule more important than (or even near equal to) conference schedule.
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They are finding a way to leave us out.
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Well, Bobby Morris and Duquesne aren't going to help us any. Thanks Strollo.
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It really is this simple and we all know it. Win 2 out of our last 3 and we are 100% in the playoffs. Lose 2 out of 3 and then the OOC discussion is legit!
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Well, Bobby Morris and Duquesne aren't going to help us any. Thanks Strollo.
Why not?
Both are FCS schools. We won both games. The Dukes were a playoff team in 2015, losing by 3 to Bill and Mary. Not like they were blown away, they proved they belonged.
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Just garbage programs in the fcs...geesh!!
Wish NDSU UNI Youngstown Montana could join a FBS group
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Well, Bobby Morris and Duquesne aren't going to help us any. Thanks Strollo.
Why not?
Both are FCS schools. We won both games. The Dukes were a playoff team in 2015, losing by 3 to Bill and Mary. Not like they were blown away, they proved they belonged.
Give up on him. Hateful trolling is hateful trolling.
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Just garbage programs in the fcs...geesh!!
Wish NDSU UNI Youngstown Montana could join a FBS group
Agreed
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Just garbage programs in the fcs...geesh!!
Wish NDSU UNI Youngstown Montana could join a FBS group
Agreed
DISAGREE
Look at the mess Akron has themselves in with trying to maintain a 1-A program. Youngstown would be WORSE, not better. This would be a disaster for YSU. Perhaps you guys would like to get a map out someday and put pins in Fargo, Missoula, Cedar Falls, and Youngstown. Please note, the pins are all in North America (barely in the case of Fargo) This assocation makes absolutely NO sense.
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Never thought I would say this, but it looks like just 4 teams from our conference will be getting in..NDS, SDS, WIU, and YSU. S.D. would more then likely have to win out with 2 of their games being against N.D.S. and S.D.S..Should be interesting
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Just garbage programs in the fcs...geesh!!
Wish NDSU UNI Youngstown Montana could join a FBS group
Agreed
DISAGREE
Look at the mess Akron has themselves in with trying to maintain a 1-A program. Youngstown would be WORSE, not better. This would be a disaster for YSU. Perhaps you guys would like to get a map out someday and put pins in Fargo, Missoula, Cedar Falls, and Youngstown. Please note, the pins are all in North America (barely in the case of Fargo) This assocation makes absolutely NO sense.
I think you missed Lakes point. I believe he was leaning towards regional groups. YSU= MAC etc,,
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Just garbage programs in the fcs...geesh!!
Wish NDSU UNI Youngstown Montana could join a FBS group
Agreed
DISAGREE
Look at the mess Akron has themselves in with trying to maintain a 1-A program. Youngstown would be WORSE, not better. This would be a disaster for YSU. Perhaps you guys would like to get a map out someday and put pins in Fargo, Missoula, Cedar Falls, and Youngstown. Please note, the pins are all in North America (barely in the case of Fargo) This assocation makes absolutely NO sense.
YSU does not meet the FBS requirement of 15K average attendance, and prolly can't afford 82 scholarships (let alone FCOA scholarships). Most MAC schools are on an unsustainable fiscal path and can only run up the credit card so long. My guess is a few MAC schools will stay FBS, but most of the conference will drop to FCS, and invite YSU to replace a school that stayed FBS....prolly w/in 10 years.
The MVFC schools that already offer FCOA (NDSU, INU, and USD) have no biz being in a subdivision with nonscholly and partial scholly schools. It's ridiculous. I think the G5 and top FCS schools should merge, and most of the FCS drop to D2....and eliminate the Dayton rule.
Regarding the OOC schedule, a win over RMU (Sagarin #225) or Duquesne (#193) does not equal a win over EWU (#77) or Montana (#105). The pollsters know this, and the selection committee is saying as plainly as they know how that they acknowledge this. By scheduling OOC cupcakes, moRon is sabotaging our playoff ambitions. The rationale that "we might lose if we play legit FCS schools" is a the same as claiming we do not deserve to be in the playoffs. There is no glory in beating partial scholly NEC schools, and it does not prep us for conference play. It is an absurdity from every aspect.
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Just garbage programs in the fcs...geesh!!
Wish NDSU UNI Youngstown Montana could join a FBS group
Agreed
DISAGREE
Look at the mess Akron has themselves in with trying to maintain a 1-A program. Youngstown would be WORSE, not better. This would be a disaster for YSU. Perhaps you guys would like to get a map out someday and put pins in Fargo, Missoula, Cedar Falls, and Youngstown. Please note, the pins are all in North America (barely in the case of Fargo) This assocation makes absolutely NO sense.
YSU does not meet the FBS requirement of 15K average attendance, and prolly can't afford 82 scholarships (let alone FCOA scholarships). Most MAC schools are on an unsustainable fiscal path and can only run up the credit card so long. My guess is a few MAC schools will stay FBS, but most of the conference will drop to FCS, and invite YSU to replace a school that stayed FBS....prolly w/in 10 years.
The MVFC schools that already offer FCOA (NDSU, INU, and USD) have no biz being in a subdivision with nonscholly and partial scholly schools. It's ridiculous. I think the G5 and top FCS schools should merge, and most of the FCS drop to D2....and eliminate the Dayton rule.
Regarding the OOC schedule, a win over RMU (Sagarin #225) or Duquesne (#193) does not equal a win over EWU (#77) or Montana (#105). The pollsters know this, and the selection committee is saying as plainly as they know how that they acknowledge this. By scheduling OOC cupcakes, moRon is sabotaging our playoff ambitions. The rationale that "we might lose if we play legit FCS schools" is a the same as claiming we do not deserve to be in the playoffs. There is no glory in beating partial scholly NEC schools, and it does not prep us for conference play. It is an absurdity from every aspect.
I agree with you, I'd like to see better OOC's, but it don't seem to add up with Massey's rating for SOS?
YSU's SOS is ranked #7 nationally in FCS.
http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cf2016&sub=11605
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Bull. The only thing more absurd is taking a rebuilding program and increasing OOC schedule strength when they already play in the toughest conference. Common sense, so why do you continually argue such a point as if it were the 1990's? Bring this up again when we have been in the post-season 5 out of the last 6-years.
Also, they are not looking to exclude us ...quite the contrary. They are looking to get YSU to host, we are historically a great venue for the NCAA. It will be tough to give us a home game if we do not win-out.
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The CFB daily show just released it's top 10 F.C.S. rankings and the only Missouri conference team listed was N.D.S.U. at 4th.
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YSU does not meet the FBS requirement of 15K average attendance, and prolly can't afford 82 scholarships (let alone FCOA scholarships). Most MAC schools are on an unsustainable fiscal path and can only run up the credit card so long. My guess is a few MAC schools will stay FBS, but most of the conference will drop to FCS, and invite YSU to replace a school that stayed FBS....prolly w/in 10 years.
I agree
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It is easy to see how they want to go ...and should go:
The country generally splits eat and west of the Mississippi River = 2
There are two regional offices in each of those areas for a total = 4. Here are the states associated with each, this does change annually:
- Region 1 - Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont;
- Region 2 - Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia;
- Region 3 - Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio, Wisconsin; and
- Region 4 - Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wyoming.
Now go to the participating conferences and look for their home offices:
Region 4: Big Sky: Utah
Region 4: Southland: TX
Region 3: Missouri Valley: MO
Region 3: Pioneer League: MO
Region 2: Big South: NC
Region 2: Southern: SC
Region 2: Colonial: VA
Region 2: Mid-Eastern Athletic: VA
Region 2: Ohio Valley: TN
Region 1: Northeast: NJ
Region 1: Patriot League: PA
From here you configure 6 teams from each region, which means you have to place some teams on location of the college, as opposed to the conference. So if anyone wants to take the top teams in these states and their conferences ,,,you can pretty much figure it out in advance.
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Moron head of the committee that released these ridiculous rankings will be grilled on our local radio show
www.bison1660.com 1pm ET, noon CT
OR you could get the app in the app store just to hear his "explanation"
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Imagine a conference call among members of that selection committee (excluding the rep from the MVFC.) It would go something like this:
"Guys, the MVFC is just too good. What can we do about that?"
"We will never catch up with them, so let's find a way to keep more of their teams out of the playoffs."
"I know. Let's remove strength of schedule entirely from the process. That way, the MVFC giants will beat up each other and eliminate themselves."
"Brilliant. Let's do that"
Once again, the selection committee has proven that they are the worst liars and hypocrites in America, except of course for our worthless politicians.
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Why all the talk: for 2016 ...Big South gets #1 & 2, PFL=1, NC=1, Patriot=1, MEAC=1 (as they have another championship) and the rest of the conferences get their top-3 teams. YSU do not like that? There is room in the OVC. Heck Tressel moved us out of the OVC because we could not get past EKU ...now let's go back in for the same reason. Or work harder for a top-3 spot. Who gives a darn about OOC scheduling? Worry about your conference. Start the play-off & we should know before i is announced. What we are waiting for is who will stay home & who will travel. If there is a situation where two teams did not face each other and are tied ...then you go by the conference tie-breaker and smarten up with OOC scheduling over conference team bye's. You do not see Ohio State skipping Michigan do you? No they contract for those years the teams do not face each other.
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If playoff selections were merit-based:
Using Massey, seven of the top 24 teams are in the MVFC...so seven teams would be selected. We are excited if five teams get in.
YSU is ranked 95 in Sagarin, and fourth in the MVFC. We'd be the top ranked team in 10 FCS conferences including the CAA, Ivy, and Big South. We'd be autobids in this majority of FCS conferences, and most it wouldn't even be sporting...it would be absolute domination. The lowest we'd be is second in two conferences: the BSC, and the OVC. As an aside, our Sagarin rating is higher than any MAC-East team.
But we are in the MVFC....where capable and deserving teams sit home during the playoffs. A consequence of the "every conference gets a trophy" playoff model.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
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If playoff selections were merit-based:
Using Massey, seven of the top 24 teams are in the MVFC...so seven teams would be selected. We are excited if five teams get in.
YSU is ranked 95 in Sagarin, and fourth in the MVFC. We'd be the top ranked team in 10 FCS conferences including the CAA, Ivy, and Big South. We'd be autobids in this majority of FCS conferences, and most it wouldn't even be sporting...it would be absolute domination. The lowest we'd be is second in two conferences: the BSC, and the OVC. As an aside, our Sagarin rating is higher than any MAC-East team.
But we are in the MVFC....where capable and deserving teams sit home during the playoffs. A consequence of the "every conference gets a trophy" playoff model.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
That model simply makes top teams better and lower team worse each year. The division could never sustain itself. Same team win year after year. The NCAA has to think of the welfare of all teams.
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If playoff selections were merit-based:
Using Massey, seven of the top 24 teams are in the MVFC...so seven teams would be selected. We are excited if five teams get in.
YSU is ranked 95 in Sagarin, and fourth in the MVFC. We'd be the top ranked team in 10 FCS conferences including the CAA, Ivy, and Big South. We'd be autobids in this majority of FCS conferences, and most it wouldn't even be sporting...it would be absolute domination. The lowest we'd be is second in two conferences: the BSC, and the OVC. As an aside, our Sagarin rating is higher than any MAC-East team.
But we are in the MVFC....where capable and deserving teams sit home during the playoffs. A consequence of the "every conference gets a trophy" playoff model.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
That model simply makes top teams better and lower team worse each year. The division could never sustain itself. Same team win year after year. The NCAA has to think of the welfare of all teams.
NDSU has created an arms race in the MVFC. Four teams now have FCOA just to attempt to be competitive. All MVFC teams had to improve in order to have a shot at the MVFC autobid, playoffs, or even a winning record. To be the best, you must beat the best. Subsidizing losers does not create winners.
Also, the D1 subdivisions need reorganization. YSU is ranked higher than a G5-East conference, shares a conference with teams that have defeated P5 teams, and yet is in a subdivision with non-scholly and partial scholly schools. Nonsensical.
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Does it matter if you beat them after the last Saturday in November or before? Not really. Name a time when YSU ever beat the nation's top teams in the regular season back in the 90's. We did what we had to do to get in to the field of 16. If we do not have the resources to compete in the MVFC, then it is time to leave. It truly is that simple. Once you start seeing the post-season on a more regular basis, our coaching staff has to learn things all over again, as it takes a different type of team to win in a tournament. We will need to learn what to show and what not. Something Tressel was an expert at. I hope we need to learn that soon
Then again you will just insult the individuals that wrestle with these decisions everyday in their jobs.
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If we do not have the resources to compete in the MVFC, then it is time to leave. It truly is that simple.
We do not have the resources to compete with consistency in the MVFC, and we won't until we get FCOA. This is the best season we've had since 2006, and we are ranked only 4/10 in the MVFC in Sagarin. I wouldn't leave tho since the MAC implosion is not far off.
Then again you will just insult the individuals that wrestle with these decisions everyday in their jobs.
Yes, but to say they "wrestle" with decisions suggests they have cognitive capabilities above that of a lizard.
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Well if you think you can do better, YSU has hired many AAD's over the recent years. Send your resume. Until then, they are the experts; most of us are a bunch of die-hard fans on our site hoping we find the right balance on an over-achieving defense, under-achieving offense and improving special teams.
You make FAR too much of FCOA than it really is. Have you ever truly realized the there are 4 DI football schools in the the combined Dakotas? 11 in the surrounding states. There are 13 in Ohio alone and heading for 100 if you include the surrounding states. NDSU is at the top of the food chain ...we are at the bottom. So why do you always look for some miracle cure? You are so typical ... fight by insulting others instead of attacking their ideas. When in reality there is nothing to fight over. Oh yes ...the administration and staff is deliberately sabotaging their programs.
Keep looking for "grassy knolls" and ignore the need for 100+ yards of new turf.
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Nation: if you expect your posts to stay. you better stop insulting people ... is this not what I have been saying ...grow up already. BTW we are the only I-AA FB program in NEO so your point was not very meaningful.
It is game day, can you not enjoy it? If you do not like the product on the field then stop watching it ...no one will care. IN the mean time stop trying to ruin everyone else's good time.
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more useless banter?