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Title: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: mudclods on March 02, 2021, 04:56:13 PM
7:30 PM tip on ESPN +.  Line opened as Oakland a 4 point favorite, dropped to 3.5 yesterday and is now at 3.  Oakland swept YSU winning 82-65 and 81-74 in Oakland without DQ.  That was during YSU's worst stretch of the season when they lost 6 of 7 before getting DQ back. 

The YSU-Oakland games are typically entertaining and come down to the end & I expect this one will be like that unlike the first two games.  In Oakland's 10 wins, their lowest total was 77.  They are averaging 78.5 in Horizon League games.  YSU has to keep it from getting into a shootout and keep them in the mid 70s or less unlike the first 2 games.  A shootout doesn't bode well for YSU.  If it gets into that, DQ is going to have to knock down shots from outside, and the rest of the team for that matter.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: guinpen on March 02, 2021, 07:33:36 PM
Wow that is one ugly gym.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: mudclods on March 02, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
7 turnovers in the first 8.5 mins.  Lucky to be only down 6 
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: mudclods on March 02, 2021, 08:14:54 PM
YSU trails 37-36 at the half.  Was hoping earlier YSU could keep it within 7 or so at the half as it looked like it could have gotten away from them, but YSU knocking down 4 3's and ending the half with 7 pulled them right back into.  YSU is very lucky turning the ball over 11 times to be down just 1.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: mudclods on March 02, 2021, 09:17:53 PM
Great comeback to force it to OT but I'm lost what in the world DQ was doing on the last possession
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: ucfpengbuck on March 02, 2021, 09:32:11 PM
1.That last play in regulation might have been as bad as i've seen.  Dribble the ball 35 ft from the hoop and shoot from there.

2.Why was Akuchie guarding Moore the last 4 possessions and getting drove by. Come on coaches!!!

3.Bad time to have the most turn overs during the season.

4. Refs love calling offensive charges on YSU.

5.  Is Calhoun ever going to have a elite to decent pivot player ?
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: mudclods on March 02, 2021, 09:38:23 PM
What a heartbreaker...typical YSU - Oakland gave going down to the buzzer.  Still just in shock on that last possession of regulation.  18 seconds and not even give yourself a chance.  Shot better & out-rebounded Oakland, but the turnovers were just the difference in this one; 20 of them- just brutal.  I didn't understand Akuchie on Moore either at the end as he kept getting beat.  YSU didn't get any breaks on the offensive charge calls.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: ucfpengbuck on March 02, 2021, 09:54:24 PM
Covington was outstanding.  I'm thinking that his 30 points might be a career high.
Naz had a triple double 14 points,13 rebounds,and 11 assists.  It must have been his first in his 4 seasons.  Can't remember who the last penguin was that had one.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: mudclods on March 02, 2021, 10:11:41 PM
Covington was outstanding.  I'm thinking that his 30 points might be a career high.
Naz had a triple double 14 points,13 rebounds,and 11 a$$ists.  It must have been his first in his 4 seasons.  Can't remember who the last penguin was that had one.

Career high for Covington...I agree he was outstanding and nearly willed YSU to victory. 

The triple double was supposedly the first ever in YSU history.  That's hard to believe. 
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: Double ET on March 03, 2021, 05:42:58 AM
The turnovers really killed us especially those few {unforced / careless passes) committed by DQ. He is too good a player to make those mistakes. I think the long lay-off really hurt his feel for the flow of the game.

I have no idea what play was drawn up for the last possession. Everyone was just standing around waiting for something to happen. Of course, it never came. This reminds me of the same stupid play (under Slocum) at the end of the game with Oakland when Larson was inserted into the game (1st time in the game) with about a second left in regulation with YSU up two.
Larson ran the defender over on the inbound. Oakland made the FT and won the game in OT.

History just repeated itself.......with Oakland again.

The team played well together after DQ returned. Unfortunately, we picked the wrong game to have 20 turnovers.
Kudo to Covington..... he has played well in the last few game (in additional to his defensive efforts).

Now we have to wait and see if any of the seniors & DQ choose to return for next year. With limited scholarships and incoming Freshmen, I wonder how many of the current reserved players would be able to stay with the team.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: ytownchief22 on March 03, 2021, 06:12:20 AM
Just not good enough in the end. Calhoun talks a big game but it is now time for results. The pressure is on for next year, especially if any of the seniors come back.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: mudclods on March 03, 2021, 08:55:03 AM
I agree with Double ET on DQ.  Besides seeming like he's lost a step and his outside game hasn't been the same, you just haven't had that confidence when the ball is in his hand like last year. 

That whole last possession sequence was just odd with DQ.  Even when YSU got the rebound, DQ looked confused with the ball in the backcourt and took nearly 8 seconds to get it across the timeline when they called timeout with 18 seconds. 

Coach mentioned in the post game press conference that they drew up the "horn" play.  There were supposed to be screens set and DQ was to drive to the hoop and shoot with 2 seconds and if he missed was hoping for the put back.  When I went back and rewatched it, even worse was the fact DQ launched that shot with about 6 seconds on the clock.  Also, Naz was open at the 3-point line, and as time expired he looked over to the bench in confusement/disgust.   If DQ could have gotten him the ball, he probably would have had 3 or 4 seconds to get into the lane.   
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: YSU1 on March 03, 2021, 09:03:43 AM
the last possession of regulation was disturbing.  I would rather have them shoot too soon than jack one up from half court.  drive to the basket for the possibility of a foul and a follow up tip in.  after that possession you knew they were not going to win.
Oakland has a losing record but they played Xavier,Toledo,Bradley,Michigan,Purdue, Oklahoma State, Michigan State. Who did YSU play.  no one.  They have to improve recruiting and play better competition.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: Penguin Nick on March 03, 2021, 09:08:15 AM
I'm just so disappointed with this team.  All the major players except Q really upped their game this year.  Q was not the same.  Perhaps we were missing some of last year's leadership but on paper this team was supposed to be special.  I hope Q rehabs and comes back strong and hopefully some of the other seniors will use that extra year of eligibility.  I'm just so tired of waiting for YSU to reach the Big Dance.     
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: mudclods on March 03, 2021, 09:50:51 AM
the last possession of regulation was disturbing.  I would rather have them shoot too soon than jack one up from half court.  drive to the basket for the possibility of a foul and a follow up tip in.  after that possession you knew they were not going to win.
Oakland has a losing record but they played Xavier,Toledo,Bradley,Michigan,Purdue, Oklahoma State, Michigan State. Who did YSU play.  no one.  They have to improve recruiting and play better competition.

I agree with your first paragraph.  You just felt like YSU had to win it there, and not even giving yourself a chance was brutal.  That's going to sting for awhile. 

In YSU's defense this year on scheduling, they really didn't have any choice.  The quarantine timing killed their non-conference schedule.  They were lucky to even get the D1 game against Binghamton and even have the ability to play the NAIA schools.  Oakland had the ability to play earlier and a lot of those schools were in search of someone to play.  Coach Calhoun had been doing well at improving their non-conference schedule, but had it played out this year along with DQ's injury really seemed to set YSU back.   
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: Penquin68 on March 03, 2021, 12:43:55 PM
The last play in regulation had to be the worst I have seen in a long time.  Too long killing the clock and then not getting any kind of a shot.  Unbelievable. Also letting Michael A guarding Moore the last few possessions and getting beat time after time. Not sure why Mays was out of the lineup at the end, but he had trouble guarding taller players. We in general had a difficult time on defense.  It seemed Oakland was bigger and could get in close over and over and we had to really work to get inside.  And the charge vs blocking calls sure went against us on both ends of the court. The announcers were sure not trying to be unbiased for Oakland.  I think Rob Schmidt does a good job not being a homer compared to those guys. And our new players sure didn't contribute much except for Mays. Who knows what we will look like next year, but the new players need to grow significantly for us to improve even if Naz, Garret, and DQ return. Big questions.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: ytownchief22 on March 03, 2021, 05:19:49 PM
Losing Jamir really hurt more than anybody expected. Hopefully he can come back next year and be a presence inside.

Recruiting hasn't been the issue.

If DQ, Naz, GC, Mike and Jamir come back with the freshman getting better and the class coming in, there is no excuse to be top 3 in the league and expecting a conference championship.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: Double ET on March 03, 2021, 06:13:03 PM
Losing Jamir really hurt more than anybody expected. Hopefully he can come back next year and be a presence inside.

Recruiting hasn't been the issue.

If DQ, Naz, GC, Mike and Jamir come back with the freshman getting better and the cla$$ coming in, there is no excuse to be top 3 in the league and expecting a conference championship.

I am not sure about that. Seniors from other teams might also return to their respective school for another year.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: mudclods on March 03, 2021, 08:09:44 PM
Certainly going to be an interesting dynamic.  Purely speculation, but I feel like Naz could be the guy to hold the group together.  I figured this was going to be DQ's last year at YSU, but between his injury, the way his year went, the seniors getting an extra year could see him coming back although maybe if none of the seniors return he won't?  Kelley and Thomas are wild cards.  Can't imagine Bentley returning.  I really thought he would have gotten more PT this year especially when DQ was out.   

If a lot of those guys do return, what happens to the freshman class?  Obviously would mean less PT for those guys and sets their development back.  Do some of them then transfer without having to sit out? 

If none of the seniors & DQ return, and everyone else mostly does you could be looking at Hunter, Mayes, Ogoro, Vargo & possibily Traore starting with maybe Hamperian & Dunn off the bench & whoever else that YSU recruits or transfers.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: YSUFANSINCE1990 on March 04, 2021, 10:47:13 AM
  I like Calhoun, but something went wrong.  When DQ left the bubble and went home that was not good.  He certainly never returned to the player he was last year or the expectations we had hoped for.  I know this is a crazy year with COVID, but....

 Wright State may have been second seed, but they were the best team in the conference, so we had a shot when they lost to win this tournament!  Actually Cleveland State very fortunate to still be alive.

 We took a step back this year.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: YSU1 on March 04, 2021, 11:53:07 AM
when is YSU going to take a step forward 
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: ucfpengbuck on March 04, 2021, 07:00:00 PM
YSU1990,I agree with you and I'm wondering if DQ even comes back. There's a lot of variables of who or who isn't coming back and I hope i'm totally wrong but I have a gut feeling that DQ may be in the  transfer portal.

The season did not go as expected and the injuries were crushing. This was the year with the senior class and DQ and if none come back next year then the team will be very young and most likely will not be contending.       I'm excited about the frosh coming in but the team still lacks  interior strength.   Right now we're very guard oriented which is not bad but you need some one as a rim protector and post up scoring.

Love Geoff Hamperian but I don't want to see him at 6- 4 guarding other teams post players.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: Double ET on March 04, 2021, 08:41:55 PM
I agree with ufcpeng that I don’t see DQ coming back next year.

I think Covington and Naz could possibly come back for another year because both of them have made great improvements from last year to this year. They might even be able to do better next year. That is not the case with DQ. I am not sure if he could totally recover from his injury to play at the high level next year.

In order to be win, we need a big strong guy (who can score around the basket + making FT) in the middle and the rest of the guys can make pull up mid-range jump shots so they don’t always have to either run the defenders over or have the ball stolen on the way to the basket.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: Wick250 on March 04, 2021, 11:28:52 PM
DQ had better be very careful and seek sound advice. He needs to perform at a very high level next season if he hopes to pursue a professional career in Europe. If he transfers to a stronger DI program, he needs an absolute guarantee that he will start. If an unscrupulous coach lies and grabs him as depth for his bench, DQ will see any hope for some type of professional career evaporate into thin air. Like many of you I am convinced that he wants to leave, but staying might actually be his best option after this disastrous year.
Title: Re: YSU Oakland MBB Horizon Tourney
Post by: mudclods on March 05, 2021, 07:43:22 PM
DQ had better be very careful and seek sound advice. He needs to perform at a very high level next season if he hopes to pursue a professional career in Europe. If he transfers to a stronger DI program, he needs an absolute guarantee that he will start. If an unscrupulous coach lies and grabs him as depth for his bench, DQ will see any hope for some type of professional career evaporate into thin air. Like many of you I am convinced that he wants to leave, but staying might actually be his best option after this disastrous year.

Agree 100% with this. 

DQ's best attribute was driving to the basket & was told by the NBA he needed to improve on his shooting.  The ankle injury seemed to cost him that step he had on everyone and his shooting % went the wrong way in a pretty big way. 

Only way I thought he'd stay is if Naz for sure came back and maybe Covington.  I just feel like Naz is the guy that's going to have to rally the others if they want to make another run next year.  Just hard for me to envision him returning without any of the other seniors.