Coverage hasn't been quite the same since Scalzo left.Chief, IMO, you are guilty of a HUGE understatement!
48 daysThis is incredibly boring! Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate the daily countdown and I do realize this time of year most news is bad news, so I guess no news is good news, but it’s still boring!
Would you prefer I dont do daily countdown then go? I did it last year and started at a much higher number. This year, I started at 50 days because someone had suggested that last year. If the consensus is that this is a bad thing though, I can stop doing the countdown.As I said:
Biggest concerns I have are all on the offensive side of the ball:
1. Can the big uglies up front stay healthy and play much, much better this year?
2. Who is going to be throwing the ball? Can Wells rebound ? Can Ricky grab ahold of the job ? Hosick ready ?
3. Who is going to step up at WR ? Lots of options but no #1 guy but maybe that's a good thing. We shall see.
Biggest concerns I have are all on the offensive side of the ball:
1. Can the big uglies up front stay healthy and play much, much better this year?
2. Who is going to be throwing the ball? Can Wells rebound ? Can Ricky grab ahold of the job ? Hosick ready ?
3. Who is going to step up at WR ? Lots of options but no #1 guy but maybe that's a good thing. We shall see.
Chief, what bothers me is we all reference this QB question, but the other 2 questions, OL and WR have a WHOLE LOT to do with your question #2
Would you prefer I dont do daily countdown then go? I did it last year and started at a much higher number. This year, I started at 50 days because someone had suggested that last year. If the consensus is that this is a bad thing though, I can stop doing the countdown.As I said:
"Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate the daily countdown"
Biggest concerns I have are all on the offensive side of the ball:
1. Can the big uglies up front stay healthy and play much, much better this year?
2. Who is going to be throwing the ball? Can Wells rebound ? Can Ricky grab ahold of the job ? Hosick ready ?
3. Who is going to step up at WR ? Lots of options but no #1 guy but maybe that's a good thing. We shall see.
Chief, what bothers me is we all reference this QB question, but the other 2 questions, OL and WR have a WHOLE LOT to do with your question #2
Exactly. That's why I said the offense in a whole is concerning. Montgomery sure has is work cut out for him.
We desparately need a big back with some powerI agree 100% with Go Guins and that really hurt us last season. Basically we have 4 backs on the roster with McAllister being the largest at 205. That just won't cut it in this conference in short yardage situations on a regular basis. Watching Trent Hosick on film he could fill that void. Basically he was a running back at the Juco level playing the role of a quarterback. I'm sure his weight is around 220 and the majority of his strength is in his legs. He could also be a weapon out of the backfield and keep the defenses more honest, he can definitely deliver a blow. This is all speculative because there is still a open quarterback competition going on just throwing it out there
Moore was at 225 this spring before his injury. I think the staff moved Mahone to WR because we needed depth there and they figured Ryan could go. This could all change in Fall camp last time I heard Pelini expects Mahone to be ready for campHe came in "listed" at 205 which is football talk for 195. Never set foot on the field at anything like 225, but he was FAR for powerful than Ruiz and certainly Webb. They are nice backs but it’s been years if not a decade since we had what I would call a power back.
These are the kinds of transfers that I really like to see. A Big Ten recruit. No baggage that we know about, merely a victim of a change in schemes caused by new coaches. We have to be careful about hype, but that article called him "a key part of the 2016 recruiting class."I agree 100%..There is still a high calculated risk with the the high amount of transfers on this tieam. I've heard that it has created some tension and unity problems through the clubhouse since Bo has taken over., so we need to be careful here. He really needs to start addressing some of these off field issues as soon as possible to send a strong message to the team that the's sort of actions won't be tolerated. Bringing in a Brionte Dunn for example would only further the damage to this program in my honest opinion
Kids need to suck it up and play football. Not everyone is going to get along.I agree chief. If you don't have good enough players to win, then hopefully you bring in better players. Some of the "veteran" players are going to loose playing time to the new guys. Somebody isn't going to like it. So what? In life not everybody gets a trophy!
More competition the better is how I see it.... What has this group of players earned ? Just because you're an upperclassmen does not mean you deserve to play. May the best player see the field.Exactly. 5-6 doesn't earn you any entitlements!
The same could be said for the coaches who blew 3 gamesWhile I agree the coaches also don't have any entitlements due, I didn't see a coach miss a block or miss a tackle in any of the games last season. It's always easy to clobber somebody with a keyboard, and hammering on the coaches for a lose is easy, but what was the thing my mother used to say, "people who live in glass houses......." Nobody is perfect and our players and coaches (and fans) are included.
As fans, we want the best possible players on the field at all times, and we really do not care too much where they came from. The problem here is that the players are not robots but rather young men. As Fever noted, too many transfers do cause tension and perhaps factions inside the locker room. That is always a bad thing. Fortunately we should have enough veteran coaches that can manage the balancing act between talent acquisition and team chemistry.I disagree with some of this. You don't always want the best on the field. 1. You need to develop young players and game action is the only real way to do that. 2. What about fatigue? Sometimes a lesser but fresher player may be more effective.
Statistically speaking #6 would have had a much better year in 15 then 14 if anyone had bothered to catch the ball. Very hard to go through any of your progressions and reads when you have a makeshift line that can't block. It won't matter who the quarterback is this year if we can't catch and remain healthy up front
Hess threw a pick 6 in the Fargodome that I thought changed him as a player.
QuoteHess threw a pick 6 in the Fargodome that I thought changed him as a player.
Nation, not that it changes anything, but that pick 6 Hess threw came the next play after he took a hit to the head out of bounds. I don't think he was in any shape to come back in, but as people say: "he is a baller"
That time the results were disastrous. BTW - Kurt is back on campus working on his Master's degree. Great for him!
All the preseason polls in existance and $1 will get you a cup of coffee!
That Gameplan video reinforces the point that it is rather silly to offer a "national" analysis of FCS football programs. Too little reliable information and multiple transfers that can transform a team, for better or worse, between spring and fall. Some of that material is good but the prognostications are marred by these two glaring errors (and I'm sure there are many others.) First, that YSU will simply hand Hosick the starting job. Second, and worse, that Indiana State will have a decent year behind the talents of their quarterback, Matt Adams. These guys missed the fact that Adams flunked out of school after spring.It isn't much better for FBS Wick. I remember polls heading into last season where the 3 leading candidates for the Heisman trophy were the 3 OSU QB's. Whichever won the job got the national championship and Heisman. Turns out QB was a significant weakness for the Bucks and their loss came when a MSU backup soundly outplayed them.
We can all make equally reliable forecasts without cost and with little effort. Here are two projections that most of us will probably agree with. First, NDSU will be very, very good once again. Second, Northern Iowa will be very formidable, until December when they will once again make an ignominious departure from the playoffs.
I listened to "Rick and Roth" on Rookery Radio this Spring and #6 and #12 are very good friends, and spent Spring Break together in Mexico. I thought that spoke well of #12's character as he, IMO, got royally screwed last season. As far as Hosick goes, its always tough coming from the outside in but he seems like a genuine guy, from the little I know of him. For the QB position anyway, I think all involved are mature enough to understand the team concept.Spoken like a true fan. We'll see what happens. Much depends on who wins the job. If Hosick, there is potentially some difficult times.
Good luck to the players and coaches as fall camp is just around the corner. May the players compete like there is know position on the field that is guaranteed and lets trust in the coaches that they make the best decisions possible. I'm just really looking forward to seeing the official roster because of all the players coming and going plus certain legal matters that our pending ..I look for some surprises. Does anyone know if they found a replacement for WR coach Baber?
STATS: Pre-Season All-America Team
http://www.fcsinsider.com/news/articles/2016/464/stats-announces-pre-season-all-america-team/
First team: DL - Derek Rivers, senior, 6-5, 255, Youngstown State
Second team: DB - LeRoy Alexander, senior, 6-0, 195, Youngstown State
Third team: PK - Zak Kennedy, sophomore, 6-0, 160, Youngstown State
It's impressive that Zak Kennedy made the list as a sophomore. Interesting that there are special teams and defensive players, but no offensive players on the list from Montgomery's squad.
I do see the Patterson kid on there. I think this is still the roster from the Spring with additional players listed that have come in. Some of the players that left are also on there so it's still a little confusing. I think we will have more of a official roster with in a couple of days
Not to single any player out, but I came across a video on social media of one of our players doing back flips at Stambaugh stadium and another player joined in. Even though it wasn't in game conditions I feel this is just something we can't have. Plus the risk for injury is high and camp is just days awayCan't have back flips??? What the "heck" are you talking about? And I was ready to join in. Doing back flips is one of my favorite things! Never actually heard of anybody getting injured from doing a back flip, although I'm sure it happens. Heard a LOT of guys injured from running into each other at full speed on a football field. If we don't want the kids to get hurt, stop playing!
Report day!FINALLY!! The day we have all been waiting for. With practice starting on Thursday and the opener on a Thursday it just doesn't allow for that many days of camp, time to get to work
Also, as of now do not see Mahone on the roster anymore.Let's hope he is still part of the program
You guys are being totally unrealistic. ;D How could the Vindicator devote any space to something as irrelevant as YSU football when there is so much vital local stuff to cover: little league baseball and softball, that stupid amateur golf tournament, or shilling for a west coast professional football team.
Seriously, newspapers are dying. They will be gone within the decade. YSU information will come exclusively from these new forms of social media that I neither use nor understand.
The 2 players charged with the gun crimes over the summer..looks like Cash Mitchell is off the team and Lee Wright is on the team and practiced today..Defense came up with 4 turnovers today..Still early
We all know Ricky can run, lets just hope he isn't used just for his running ability. I don't like the 2 QB system. Everything just seems out of funk when they switch out. It all comes down to the O-Line and WR's. Wells can only do so much if the protection isn't there and the WR's aren't getting open. He will be a sitting duck all game long. Montgomery needs to have a better game plan as well.Agree with you Chief. You could just tell last year Wells wasn't comfortable with the in and out stuff. He's at his best when he's in his rhythm. Never the easiest thing for your offensive line with 2 different skill sets
FYI, realized my last post may have sounded sarcastic. It was genuine as I do not get print Vindy copies. 22 days
Seriously?
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/fcs-coaches-poll
Seriously?
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/football/fcs/fcs-coaches-poll
About as expected in terms of balance. Remember coach chose from their own conference. A few that stick out for me:
SHS a bit overrated.
Portland State and Montana both overrated.
Colgate underrated
Eastern Washington and Northern AZ both overrated, but NAU is going to be interesting this year.
Fordham underrated
N Dakota overrated.
Nova is really overrated, but will not be by season's end. Could be the best team in the CAA this year.
WIU and YSU are interchangeable, but WIU has proven they can make the dance so they deserve it more.
I think Penn and Harvard should be switched.
Duquesne and Monmouth should be switched, while US should be higher than both of them. RMU is better than both of them and not even rated.
Not even 1 article written about practice so far in the vindy.... Shame.Are you kidding?
Yes thanks Ed for the fine job you and your co-workers do. Sorry if I offended anyone in anyway. It just would be nice to get a little more feedback from the coaches, but I completely understand its their choice. Hopefully a good report will be coming from today's scrimmage ☺Thanks. No offense taken. Yours was not the post that bothered me.
Thanks Ed:
One thing that you could pass along (this leads to confusion for me as well); Since I do not live in Ytown, I really only have interest in YSU. So, I basically click on the menu, then sports, then YSU sports. If you do that only 2 of these stories that you listed is there. Well with today's story that makes 3. So you can easily see how people may not think there are many YSU sports stories. It could just be the way the story is tagged; but you may want to tell your site admin.
I think Davis will be the starter week 1After the offense struggled early, Shane brought all the QB's together on the sideline while the KO team was on the field, and I heard a large group of players on the sidelines say "we need to give this thing to Ricky and go". Ricky didn't hear them but he went out next series and drove the team down for the TD. Below are the tweets and thoughts of all the QB's from the Vindy reporter on the sideline Charles Grove...
What I like the most about all 4 of our quarterbacks is they all have class with know baggage to speak of..that's very hard to find these days. Ricky in my opinion is the most improved out of the 4. I'm going to stop short of predicting a starter for week 1 because I'm not with them everyday like the coaches are. Keep in mind Ricky only attempted 4 passes yesterday while completing 3 and was not really giving the option to throw last season. Mays had twice as many attempts yesterday. It's really hard to get a true read with the offense in these scrimmages because the defense will always have the upper hand. Specific quarterback's have been working specific drills for game situations all through camp that what leads me to believe a 2 system quarterback is in placeThis is true but Mays never went with the ones at all and Ricky was the only QB to not go with the two's. Do you think that means anything?
Mayor, that could mean something it's just really hard to say. It was my understanding Mays worked with the 1's and drove the length of the field. Chief, it's very hard to argue your point and I think most people on here would agree with you. Our offensive line is much improved. With the exception of W.V. we will not see a pass rush like ours the entire season and our quarterbacks will have more time to throw then last year. Fan makes a valid point, if the receivers step up Wells will more then likely be the #1. Why on Earth would you risk injuries to our mobile quarterbacks in the weenie games when we need them the most starting with S.D. and then the rest of the conference? On the flip side I do understand the importance of getting this issue behind the team and moving forward. Running quarterbacks do and will get hurt, plus Wells has the most game experience. The last thing you want is either Hosick, Davis or Mays getting shell shocked in Morgantown to start the game. All 4 will see plenty of time before S.D. know need to panic early onMays is a very good player in my opinion but yesterday he was only with the 2's and was helped down the field by penalties on the drive, but he threw a very nice ball on the TD.
http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports-mitch-vingle/20160813/mitch-vingle-predicting-wvus-chances-for-201648 points on our defense. .UMMMM DON'T THINK SO!! Plus we have a good kick off specialist that will be able to boot it in the endzone and not allow them easy points like we did against Pitt. I'm sure the over/under will be well over 50, but I look for about 35 points in all
After reading this I hope we surprise them. This writer is just simply ignorant
http://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports-mitch-vingle/20160813/mitch-vingle-predicting-wvus-chances-for-201648 points on our defense. .UMMMM DON'T THINK SO!! Plus we have a good kick off specialist that will be able to boot it in the endzone and not allow them easy points like we did against Pitt. I'm sure the over/under will be well over 50, but I look for about 35 points in all
After reading this I hope we surprise them. This writer is just simply ignorant
I would agree that the starter for Dusquene needs to be the presumed starter for the season. There is no need for a two QB system if the starting QB has a complete skill set. No way I'd have WVU be the first start for the new QB. Davis should've started the Missouri State game last year, but that opportunity was lost. From everything I'm reading, and saw last season, I'd start Davis with Hosick as the backup. In garbage time I'd put Hosick in for a few wildcats. Mays #3. Wells would be the nuclear option.Interesting opinion since I think Wells will be the starter. All this camp stuff with Mays and Davis is just smoke to keep them with the program
I would agree that the starter for Dusquene needs to be the presumed starter for the season. There is no need for a two QB system if the starting QB has a complete skill set. No way I'd have WVU be the first start for the new QB. Davis should've started the Missouri State game last year, but that opportunity was lost. From everything I'm reading, and saw last season, I'd start Davis with Hosick as the backup. In garbage time I'd put Hosick in for a few wildcats. Mays #3. Wells would be the nuclear option.Interesting opinion since I think Wells will be the starter. All this camp stuff with Mays and Davis is just smoke to keep them with the program
I would agree that the starter for Dusquene needs to be the presumed starter for the season. There is no need for a two QB system if the starting QB has a complete skill set. No way I'd have WVU be the first start for the new QB. Davis should've started the Missouri State game last year, but that opportunity was lost. From everything I'm reading, and saw last season, I'd start Davis with Hosick as the backup. In garbage time I'd put Hosick in for a few wildcats. Mays #3. Wells would be the nuclear option.Interesting opinion since I think Wells will be the starter. All this camp stuff with Mays and Davis is just smoke to keep them with the program
If Wells is the starter, we are going to be in trouble.
Who had most of the reps at 1st team center? Any serious injuries so far in camp?
Who had most of the reps at 1st team center? Any serious injuries so far in camp?
Vitas Hrynkiewicz.
I don’t doubt Ricky Davis has improved, but he was a strong armed guy with terrible accuracy last year
So I said Davis has a strong arm but terrible accuracy, and you quote last season's stat:I don’t doubt Ricky Davis has improved, but he was a strong armed guy with terrible accuracy last year
Time to say goodnight to that myth. :)
Behold the 2015 MVFC passing efficiency ratings:
http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/ind-all.pdf
PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Yds TD Eff.
6. Davis, Ricky-YSU So 9 8-18-0 142 1 129.0
8. Wells, Hunter-YSU So 11 159-291-7 1975 13 121.6
Passing efficiency does not subdivide INTs into pick 6's and non-pick 6s. If it did, Well's passing efficiency would be much worse.
So I said Davis has a strong arm but terrible accuracy, and you quote last season's stat:I don’t doubt Ricky Davis has improved, but he was a strong armed guy with terrible accuracy last year
Time to say goodnight to that myth. :)
Behold the 2015 MVFC passing efficiency ratings:
http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/ind-all.pdf
PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Yds TD Eff.
6. Davis, Ricky-YSU So 9 8-18-0 142 1 129.0
8. Wells, Hunter-YSU So 11 159-291-7 1975 13 121.6
Passing efficiency does not subdivide INTs into pick 6's and non-pick 6s. If it did, Well's passing efficiency would be much worse.
Davis 44% completion rate
Wells 54% completion rate
Now don't get me wrong, 54% is not good enough for Wells, but 44% is a joke. This is compounded by Ricky's own words, when he was in the game, it was going to be a run. Should have been easy to complete at least a few passes. You guys should fork over the money, buy tickets and go watch some of these games. I also point out the fact that Davis was a better runner than Wells, (maybe I am too!) but he is NOT a dramatic playmaker with his legs either. He is at best 3 string, maybe 4th. Everybody likes the backup. By mid season, we won't hear Davis at all, you will all be saying "if only they would play Hosick." I do expect Hunter to lead us to the playoffs this season. We'll see, but your "all in with Ricky" has no factual basis for support
So I said Davis has a strong arm but terrible accuracy, and you quote last season's stat:I don’t doubt Ricky Davis has improved, but he was a strong armed guy with terrible accuracy last year
Time to say goodnight to that myth. :)
Behold the 2015 MVFC passing efficiency ratings:
http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/ind-all.pdf
PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Yds TD Eff.
6. Davis, Ricky-YSU So 9 8-18-0 142 1 129.0
8. Wells, Hunter-YSU So 11 159-291-7 1975 13 121.6
Passing efficiency does not subdivide INTs into pick 6's and non-pick 6s. If it did, Well's passing efficiency would be much worse.
Davis 44% completion rate
Wells 54% completion rate
Now don't get me wrong, 54% is not good enough for Wells, but 44% is a joke. This is compounded by Ricky's own words, when he was in the game, it was going to be a run. Should have been easy to complete at least a few passes. You guys should fork over the money, buy tickets and go watch some of these games. I also point out the fact that Davis was a better runner than Wells, (maybe I am too!) but he is NOT a dramatic playmaker with his legs either. He is at best 3 string, maybe 4th. Everybody likes the backup. By mid season, we won't hear Davis at all, you will all be saying "if only they would play Hosick." I do expect Hunter to lead us to the playoffs this season. We'll see, but your "all in with Ricky" has no factual basis for support
YOU'RE the one that quoted the stats, now you don't want me to point out obvious? Yes, there are other things than completion percentage, but it's still the very best way to measure accuracy and Ricky doesn't have it. I'm not pro-Hunter or anti-Ricky, but all this "we want Ricky" retoric on this blog is 100% emotion and has nothing to do with fooball ability.So I said Davis has a strong arm but terrible accuracy, and you quote last season's stat:I don’t doubt Ricky Davis has improved, but he was a strong armed guy with terrible accuracy last year
Time to say goodnight to that myth. :)
Behold the 2015 MVFC passing efficiency ratings:
http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/ind-all.pdf
PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Yds TD Eff.
6. Davis, Ricky-YSU So 9 8-18-0 142 1 129.0
8. Wells, Hunter-YSU So 11 159-291-7 1975 13 121.6
Passing efficiency does not subdivide INTs into pick 6's and non-pick 6s. If it did, Well's passing efficiency would be much worse.
Davis 44% completion rate
Wells 54% completion rate
Now don't get me wrong, 54% is not good enough for Wells, but 44% is a joke. This is compounded by Ricky's own words, when he was in the game, it was going to be a run. Should have been easy to complete at least a few passes. You guys should fork over the money, buy tickets and go watch some of these games. I also point out the fact that Davis was a better runner than Wells, (maybe I am too!) but he is NOT a dramatic playmaker with his legs either. He is at best 3 string, maybe 4th. Everybody likes the backup. By mid season, we won't hear Davis at all, you will all be saying "if only they would play Hosick." I do expect Hunter to lead us to the playoffs this season. We'll see, but your "all in with Ricky" has no factual basis for support
Why look only at completions? That's only one measure of a QB. Don't yardage, TD's, and interceptions also matter, maybe even moreso? The passing efficiency rating factors in all of those things.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but it doesn't seem as though the coaches agree...YOU'RE the one that quoted the stats, now you don't want me to point out obvious? Yes, there are other things than completion percentage, but it's still the very best way to measure accuracy and Ricky doesn't have it. I'm not pro-Hunter or anti-Ricky, but all this "we want Ricky" retoric on this blog is 100% emotion and has nothing to do with fooball ability.So I said Davis has a strong arm but terrible accuracy, and you quote last season's stat:I don’t doubt Ricky Davis has improved, but he was a strong armed guy with terrible accuracy last year
Time to say goodnight to that myth. :)
Behold the 2015 MVFC passing efficiency ratings:
http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/ind-all.pdf
PASS EFFICIENCY Cl G Comp-Att-Int Yds TD Eff.
6. Davis, Ricky-YSU So 9 8-18-0 142 1 129.0
8. Wells, Hunter-YSU So 11 159-291-7 1975 13 121.6
Passing efficiency does not subdivide INTs into pick 6's and non-pick 6s. If it did, Well's passing efficiency would be much worse.
Davis 44% completion rate
Wells 54% completion rate
Now don't get me wrong, 54% is not good enough for Wells, but 44% is a joke. This is compounded by Ricky's own words, when he was in the game, it was going to be a run. Should have been easy to complete at least a few passes. You guys should fork over the money, buy tickets and go watch some of these games. I also point out the fact that Davis was a better runner than Wells, (maybe I am too!) but he is NOT a dramatic playmaker with his legs either. He is at best 3 string, maybe 4th. Everybody likes the backup. By mid season, we won't hear Davis at all, you will all be saying "if only they would play Hosick." I do expect Hunter to lead us to the playoffs this season. We'll see, but your "all in with Ricky" has no factual basis for support
Why look only at completions? That's only one measure of a QB. Don't yardage, TD's, and interceptions also matter, maybe even moreso? The passing efficiency rating factors in all of those things.
I agree. I don't want to see a 2 QB system. No need for it if your starter has a complete skill set including mobility and escapability.I had hoped Hosick was the happy middle, but seems like we have one QB who is an OK runner, but can't throw and one OK thrower that can't run. Given the choice, you HAVE to throw the ball in today's spread offense world. Sorry Ricky
Why do people (coaches for example) do the same thing expecting different results?
Charles Grove @CgroveVindy 26m26 minutes ago
Fight breaks out after a large fight between offense and defense and Bo makes the team run sprints. #YSU @vindicator
Charles Grove @CgroveVindy 22m22 minutes ago
Isiah Scott, who was a large part of the skirmish, just got tongue lashing from Wells screaming at him to run his route #YSU @vindicator
I agree. I don't want to see a 2 QB system. No need for it if your starter has a complete skill set including mobility and escapability.I had hoped Hosick was the happy middle, but seems like we have one QB who is an OK runner, but can't throw and one OK thrower that can't run. Given the choice, you HAVE to throw the ball in today's spread offense world. Sorry Ricky
Why do people (coaches for example) do the same thing expecting different results?
"You have to use your legs" Yeah, like the 3 best QB's in the last decade, Brady, Manning and Rodgers?I agree. I don't want to see a 2 QB system. No need for it if your starter has a complete skill set including mobility and escapability.I had hoped Hosick was the happy middle, but seems like we have one QB who is an OK runner, but can't throw and one OK thrower that can't run. Given the choice, you HAVE to throw the ball in today's spread offense world. Sorry Ricky
Why do people (coaches for example) do the same thing expecting different results?
I completely disagree. Look at some of these teams with spread systems who are successful. You have to be able to use your legs now a days as a QB. It's such a weapon. Especially in the college game. Ricky can throw just as well as Hunter can when given the opportunity.
How about ditch the stupid spread and run a pro style offense with a full back and a tailback and smash the little LB's on the other teams. How about throwing to the TE's? That allows poor receivers to look better than they are, limits the number of touches they get a d takes away the importance of having high skill in that area.
I hate the stupid spread. We wont win sh** until we go back to what won us our NC's and what is winning NDSU NC's and that is pro style with the ability to flex into west coast when needed.
For now, with everything I've heard and seen.
1A: Davis
1B: Wells
2. Hosick
3. Mays
The QB situation does not look good. Wells is gun shy & when the bullets start flying will throw into coverage, force throws & not run when the opportunity is there. He hurt us bad in the IS game with his dive on the 2 yard line & not running to sustain drives against NDSU when they left big lanes open because they knew he wouldn't run. Davis has had decision issues hopefully he has matured. And finally I can't believe that the coaches would bring in a transfer that is going to be 3rd string behind these guys. Nice scouting & waste of a scholarship if this is how it works out.
I agree with Penguinpower and YSUGO. It is insane to try to run a spread offense when you lack a stable of reliable receivers. What we have is the ingredients for an effective power running game (veteran backs, big linemen, capable tight ends.) We could still throw about 20 times per game just as we did during the 1990s. But we would be doing that on our terms.
Apparently, we run that spread because Wolford wanted it and because "everybody is doing it." We should have a championship caliber defense. It would be a crime to squander it by forcing our offensive personnel to run a scheme for which they are unequipped.
If Trent picked Charleston Southern over YSU he would be the starting quarterback to open up against the Bison in Fargo and be playing for one of the best teams in the big south. He just needs to keep his head up and keep working. I do feel Monty has a plan for him in a limited role this season. Trent was the only Juco quarterback offered by YSU. I also think we could have done a better job after looking at some of the quarterbacks that came off the board the first week of signing day..missed opportunities, but I still feel this is not a wasted scholarship
If Trent picked Charleston Southern over YSU he would be the starting quarterback to open up against the Bison in Fargo and be playing for one of the best teams in the big south. He just needs to keep his head up and keep working. I do feel Monty has a plan for him in a limited role this season. Trent was the only Juco quarterback offered by YSU. I also think we could have done a better job after looking at some of the quarterbacks that came off the board the first week of signing day..missed opportunities, but I still feel this is not a wasted scholarship
Fan, This is not the case and I even stated that over the winter. I know the last thing Monty wanted to do was jump on a plane and go west and bring in another qb because I know what Mays is about plus he is mobile . Bo has a love affair with running quarterbacks and has had one his entire coaching career. It's the Bo show around here and Bo was familiar with Trent from his time at Nebraska and didn't even really look at anyone else . Bo will expect Trent to see the field..What's shane going to say No coach!!
I was just wondering, have you guys seen Trent play at all?Fan, This is not the case and I even stated that over the winter. I know the last thing Monty wanted to do was jump on a plane and go west and bring in another qb because I know what Mays is about plus he is mobile . Bo has a love affair with running quarterbacks and has had one his entire coaching career. It's the Bo show around here and Bo was familiar with Trent from his time at Nebraska and didn't even really look at anyone else . Bo will expect Trent to see the field..What's shane going to say No coach!!
Good post Fever. I understand what you are saying. Factor in that coach M likes to break things up with some option (even if it is simple pitch and run) ...perhaps Hosick is the best at this.
Out of the three QBs I saw, Hosick look very good running and passing the team right down the field. His 2nd time he fumbled and looked poor. Ricky did a couple nice runs and had a couple 6-10 yd passes; but he was unable to sustain a solid drive. Wells struggled, he threw a pass at the WR feet and then over the WR's head. He did throw one right on the numbers and the WR dropped it.
To put things in context, stats from the scrimmage the week before:I'm not sure why they weren't either but I was there for the scrimmage and he didn't have a good day. Trent was 1 of 6 passing and had a long TD run that would have been a sack if the QB's had been live. I'm not saying he can't play, just telling you what i saw that day.
"In the scrimmage portion of the workout (no red zone stats included), Davis was 3-of-4 for 80 yards and a touchdown, Wells was 4-of-10 for 46 yards while Mays was 4-of-8 for 48 yards and a score"
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/scrimmage-recap-august13
Not sure why Trent's #s are not included, but the article suggests he, like Davis, had a good day. Wells only QB without a score and also with the least yardage and lowest completion %.
In other news, Jerry Slocum is still the MBB HC. I'm sure this year will be different.
This will be a big week coming up for all 3 of them. My issue is still the WR's. Who's going to step up and be able to make some plays. A lot of kids vying for a spot...Eric is a great get for this program. Yes chief it will be a very important week not only for the Qb's and receivers, but also for several players on the defense. I think a handfull of defenders step up this year that were not expected to. Starters and depth charts should be finalized by this weekend. Just curious if Hosick got any snaps with the 1st team today and who got the most in practice
On a recruiting note: Eric Bentley, a 2017 DL from Akron SVSM just committed to us. 6-3, 260 lbs. Nice get for Bo.
Agreed, predictions don't matter compared to playing the game, but that being said, I would be interested to see what he said? Couldn't find it on the internet, and no apparent fan outrage by WVU online in a forum or anything about it either? Where did you see that chief?
Even a great defense will tire out if on the field all day. The second half of NDSU was pretty bad. I think the D will be legendary...the offense...idk.....Your right nation forgot about the T.O.P. side of it..can't be out there all game long..What we do on 1st down this year will be crucial
Even a great defense will tire out if on the field all day. The second half of NDSU was pretty bad. I think the D will be legendary...the offense...idk.....Your right nation forgot about the T.O.P. side of it..can't be out there all game long..What we do on 1st down this year will be crucial
Accordion to the Vindicator this morning, Mictchell and Wright received probation for misdemeanor charges. Both will have perform 150 hours of community service.Better than I expected. Not sure what we lost in Mitchell, but Wright is a player!
Mitchell lost his scholarship and was suspended for the team. Wright is still with the team.
Shooting a gun off from a car on a college campus ? Yes, very dumb.ditto
Owning a gun legally ? Perfectly fine and thats none of her damn business why they own a gun. Shut up lady.
Something about the article doesn't sound right... it states
"Neither had a criminal record before they were arrested in May after a university police officer heard gunfire and saw a car drive away from the sound of the gunfire. The officer followed the car and searched it and found a semiautomatic handgun in the trunk. Reports said Mitchell admitted to firing the gun, and the gun belonged to Wright. "
Then further on it says
"When he was sentenced, Judge Kobly asked Mitchell why he had a gun in the car, and Mitchell said he forgot it was in the car. Mitchell said he got the gun in South Carolina and wanted to get a concealed-carry permit in Ohio. Cassese said Mitchell comes from a rough neighborhood and wanted the gun for protection when he was home."
So... how did Wright own the weapon if Mitchell got it in South Carolina???
8 days!ONE WEEK FROM TOMORROW!! And not a minute too soon! One thread is back and forth for weeks over Hunter or Ricky, with no physical evidence or reason to support either, and one thread has digressed to an explanation of Ohio gun laws. If the Penguins are as frustrated and ready to go as their bloggers, I pity Duquesne.
Something about the article doesn't sound right... it states
"Neither had a criminal record before they were arrested in May after a university police officer heard gunfire and saw a car drive away from the sound of the gunfire. The officer followed the car and searched it and found a semiautomatic handgun in the trunk. Reports said Mitchell admitted to firing the gun, and the gun belonged to Wright. "
Then further on it says
"When he was sentenced, Judge Kobly asked Mitchell why he had a gun in the car, and Mitchell said he forgot it was in the car. Mitchell said he got the gun in South Carolina and wanted to get a concealed-carry permit in Ohio. Cassese said Mitchell comes from a rough neighborhood and wanted the gun for protection when he was home."
So... how did Wright own the weapon if Mitchell got it in South Carolina???
You can buy guns in Ohio and in South Carolina without a permit or registration. I suggest that if you are a gun owner NEVER register the gun because if someone takes it from you, at a minimum you have some liability in the matter. Never register the gun as it will protect you. The only time it must be registered is if you buy it "NEW" from a dealer. The best way is to buy it unregistered from a dealer/private owner unused. Registered guns are used to track and take it from you. I have many many firearms. Break onto my house and you've got problem. None of them registered, all legal. When the US government passes laws against citizens that have firearms they could take yours as they do in other countries. Take a history course if you do not understand.....you will see. Talk to people in other countries..you will see. I am a military veteran and I follow the laws and understand the significance of what I am stating. While those kids were acting irresponsibly and need to mature, 100 years ago it would be an issue but no big deal....just a group of dumb kids.
This wont make sense to many but perhaps a few
Wow it appears we can start a well regulated militia just among those who discuss YSU football.
So any interest in the game or what? For some reason I'm just not as excited as I usually am for the season to get under way. I'm tired of playing the same few teams that really don't seem to provide any benefit to the program outside of home game revenue.
I am NOT going to WVU that place is a hell hole on football Saturdays. Prepare to be sworn at, maybe spit at or worse. Think twice about taking a kid and don't wander off alone. Or maybe conceal carry why not?
6 daysVindy finally published an article on YSU football today on the print version (since last week, I believed).
Wish this was a surprise, but it isn't6 daysVindy finally published an article on YSU football today on the print version (since last week, I believed).
It must be really important to them. It was on page 7 (the last page) of the sports section switched between Ohio State & Notre Dame.
I searched the Vindy website and I could not find the electronic version of article.
WOW!
Wish this was a surprise, but it isn't6 daysVindy finally published an article on YSU football today on the print version (since last week, I believed).
It must be really important to them. It was on page 7 (the last page) of the sports section switched between Ohio State & Notre Dame.
I searched the Vindy website and I could not find the electronic version of article.
WOW!
Here it is everyone:
YOUNGSTOWN — Now the fun begins - or at least it does soon.
The Youngstown State football team had their first practice where gameplanning about Duquesne was a large area. The home opener is this Thursday against the Dukes and now the offense is learning how to attack a different defensive style.
“The next four to five days are getting our guys used to a stacked 30 front that’s different than what we do,” YSU head coach Bo Pelini said. “So there’s adjustments there that will need to be made to get our guys comfortable.”
http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/aug/25/ysu-beginning-gear-duquesne/
What does somebody from UNI know about YSU football? Next to nothing, exactly what a YSU fan knows about Northern Iowa. At the FCS level, it is laughable how self-proclaimed experts disperse "insight" into things that they have not experienced first-hand. The article is so filled with stereotypes and prejudice that it actually seems like the author acquired and repeated the same drivel that emanates from the hate-filled brain of a certain banned egomaniac who used to pollute this site.
Sorry nation. Had to remove that one. At this point, guns don't kill people; Penguins do :) On the field of course.
Wells does in fact have a shoulder injury and there are fears that it could be worse then just soreness and or a pull. There is know need for Hunter to play against Duquesne..None!! If Ricky didn't need to gain experience for the upcoming season I would just sit him as well to guard against injury and let Hosick and Mays get the job done. Great article today by Charles Grove in the paper..I like a reporter who tells it how he see's it
Wells does in fact have a shoulder injury and there are fears that it could be worse then just soreness and or a pull. There is know need for Hunter to play against Duquesne..None!! If Ricky didn't need to gain experience for the upcoming season I would just sit him as well to guard against injury and let Hosick and Mays get the job done. Great article today by Charles Grove in the paper..I like a reporter who tells it how he see's itIf that's the case, why is he throwing with the 2's? Charles Grove reported he threw a pick a couple of days ago. I would shut him down and let him heal. We are going to need everybody this year! Go Guins!
I think we need both of them this year for the unique challenges defenses will provide in this conferenceWhat does that mean?
I read this blog and on one thread some guy is quoting the OC saying "Davis #1, Wells #2a and Hosick #2b, and on this tread and in the Vindy, they are quoting the HC saying we haven't designated anybody #1 but we need more than 1 QB. Either the OC and HC disagree and the HC does not have control of his staff, or, parton my French, but one of you is full of sh**. Not sure which it is, but wouldn't be surprised to see Ricky Thursday with Hunter's shoulder issue.Go guins, it is know secret Monty and Bo have had different views and disagreements ever since Bo has arrived. Let's just say it's not a match made in heaven. With so much riding on this season for this program and for Bo it says alot that Monty was retained once again by Bo..Hopefully they can get on the same page because I don't believe they are!!
Hell yeah! 3 days fbThey had to pull Ruiz of the injured reserve list last year to beat Bobby Morris. Maybe they will need Hunter at some point in this game..Hopefully that's not the case
Fever, I think mayor meant if Wells was hurt with more than just a soreness or a pull in his shoulder, why give him reps and not let him rest?
Forgive me if I missed your answer in your response, but I read it a couple times and it didn't seem to address that point to me.
Like I get what you're saying about having Ricky get more reps with the 1s, but you could do that regardless with hunter injured and letting him rest?
Well that Penguin Playbook with coach Bo was interesting
Well that Penguin Playbook with coach Bo was interesting
Well not really because I fell asleep when brother Carl took over. Bo did say we have to wait untill the quarterback takes the field on Thursday to find out.The quarterback does now but he asked Bo to keep it a secret. Bo was saying something about snap counts and he said that didn't factor into the final decision and I'm not sure what that meant. There goal is to use just one and I think it will be Ricky !!Well that Penguin Playbook with coach Bo was interesting
How so ?
Bo never reveals much when he is interviewed. He was asked bout Lee Wright, and answered that Lee is not currently with the team, and would not elaborate further. He and Carl both said the defense and special teams are much further ahead of where they were at this point in the 2015 season. Sammarone and Drae Smith were interviewed, and Chris again referenced the need for "toughness."
The 1390 broadcast was fine. 1570 almost always played "The Sean Hannity Show" over the Penguin Playbook, which used to piss me off.
Sean: "How do you plan to fight radical Islam?"
Bo: "we'll stack the box, and if they dare put anything in the air, LeRoy will make 'em pay."
Also, Lee Wright is not listed on the 2 deep depth chart.... And Mark Schuler, a 6-5, 250 lb TE is listed as the starting punter hahaha. Good lord, this may be a long year.
Also, Lee Wright is not listed on the 2 deep depth chart.... And Mark Schuler, a 6-5, 250 lb TE is listed as the starting punter hahaha. Good lord, this may be a long year.Schuler punted for Springfield.
Also, Lee Wright is not listed on the 2 deep depth chart.... And Mark Schuler, a 6-5, 250 lb TE is listed as the starting punter hahaha. Good lord, this may be a long year.
Do you think that means we will just use one QB then? We will definitely find out in a few days I'm sure :-X
Wait, I thought Lee Wright was still with the team last I heard about the whole gun incident? Was that revealed he is not during penguin playbook?
According to Grove from the Vindy. Wells is the listed starter at QB for thursday's game.This could just be to throw Duquesne off a little bit!! Bo did say it was close and they felt they could win with all 3..He did say the starter emerged at the end of camp..I was just thinking that player was Ricky and I figured that Wells and his shoulder problem played into it..Doesn't really matter to me I just want to win and I'm going to trust the coaches on whoever it is
According to Grove from the Vindy. Wells is the listed starter at QB for thursday's game.
Also do not see Harvin on the 2 deep either.The Leading receiver from a year ago with all the athletic ability in the world. This should send a strong message..you don't catch..you don't play..I see Ruiz is listed at 2 deep behind Webb..I like the fact Spencer is the left tackle. I thought Colucci and Wiggins would switch
Careful, he may have some talent, but "all the talent in the world"? Let's not get carried away. Part of "talent" is the ability to concentrate on the ball and catch the ball, and that's talents he seems to be lacking.Also do not see Harvin on the 2 deep either.The Leading receiver from a year ago with all the athletic ability in the world.
1 day! That sucks about Lee
Also do not see Harvin on the 2 deep either.