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Guys will be up in about 40 minutes
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Halftime an we're down 27-19. 19 points for a D1 team at home is about as bad as it gets. 6 of 28 from the field and 0 for 9 from three. Out rebounded 18 to 11 to a team that hasn't won a game in league play.
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Well FAN:
It started and YSU has 19 points after the first half, it was terrible!! I had to turn it off. This team is going backwards.
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Somehow got the W.... Barely. Against a bad team. Thanks to KP's 30. Team still going downhill.....
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Big miracle tonight. Needed win but we are not a good team right now. This may be our last victory of the year. Kp played great tonight. Free throw line for a change was in our favor. Slocum would have been run out of town if we had lost .
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Team still has a pulse. Not much more than that right now. Future looks bleak for this program.
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This UIC team that is SOOOO bad had a lead on UWGB at home in final minute and was within a bucket on the road at UWGB in final 2 minutes. They also led Illinois by 10-12 at half this year. They are a really bad second half team and we found a way to win.
No Weber, who is arguably our 2nd best player. Huge game Thursday. Win and we will have a war for the final home game in the tourney.
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This UIC team that is SOOOO bad had a lead on UWGB at home in final minute and was within a bucket on the road at UWGB in final 2 minutes. They also led Illinois by 10-12 at half this year. They are a really bad second half team and we found a way to win.
No Weber, who is arguably our 2nd best player. Huge game Thursday. Win and we will have a war for the final home game in the tourney.
How'd those games turn out??? They are 5-20, enough said. I mean c'mon, facts are facts. They are a bad team, and we barely beat them. We are trending downhill all because of one man.
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Two men -- Strollo counts a lot.
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This UIC team that is SOOOO bad had a lead on UWGB at home in final minute and was within a bucket on the road at UWGB in final 2 minutes. They also led Illinois by 10-12 at half this year. They are a really bad second half team and we found a way to win.
No Weber, who is arguably our 2nd best player. Huge game Thursday. Win and we will have a war for the final home game in the tourney.
How'd those games turn out??? They are 5-20, enough said. I mean c'mon, facts are facts. They are a bad team, and we barely beat them. We are trending downhill all because of one man.
Yes facts are facts. We WON. Anyone whose followed UIC this year knows they are a great first half team and a bad second half team... If you watched their game against CSU you would have seen the same exact thing. At the end of the day we won and are tied for 6th in the league.
Furthermore, UWGB took CSU to the woodshed today too. Don't be fooled by the 14 point outcome, it was around 16-20 most of the game. Sometimes you just got to chalk one up as a bad loss. That game Thursday was our bad loss, just like last year we lost by 41 to Detroit.
And two of those other three losses were by 1 and 2, and those are facts. We aren't consistently getting blown out. This league from 2-8 has a lot of parity with UWGB and UIC picking up the front and the rear. If you think were the only team that has had a slump this year, think again.
Thursday is a biggie. Seeing KP take over was big. Expect him to have a big final stretch.
Go YSU
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Yep, sure did win. Against a 5-21 team that's 0-12 in the league, and if it wasn't for our superstar player, it wouldve been a blow out. KP saves Slocum's butt again.... We shall see.
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Great use of the bench again Jerry. 0 points and maybe 5 minutes??? Steward, Beamon and company don't even look excited and into the game while sitting on the bench.... But I'll stop commenting on that.
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Lets not paint uic as a good team. 5-20 is a bad team. Why in god's name is slocum not playing his bench? These are his recruits.
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We were supposed to win and we did. I dont see what there is to cry about.
We defended the home turf. That is what its about..
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Good point pride. Let's not paint UIC as a good team. L ikewise, the media should not paint a rosey picture of the state of the
Ysu mens bball program. The vindicator ran an article not too long ago about the recent upgrades made to enhance the bball program including things like a new score board, new weight room and video room. The vindicator likes to call this progress. They also point to back to back winning seasons and a trip to the cit as progress.
While these are improvements they should not be painted as real progress. Ysu is far behind most programs in the HL and all of D1 bball. The truth is is that this program is going nowhere unless some big changes are made.
First, the board of trustees and president need to get their heads out of their butts and increase funding for the bball program to make it more in line with the rest of the HL teams budgets. Second and third fire Strollo and Slocum.
Until this happens ysu bball does not have a shot.
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If we accept 5-7 in a down Horizon League as fans then we got problems. The metality of this is all we are capable of doing is a poor excuse. The Mahoning Valley has been though a lot over the years and the defeated attitude of the valley is evident in how we accept poor sports at YSU. Unless we change our attitudes and our expectations we can expect simular poor results. Accepting this baskeball garbage and bragging that we defended our turf against a 5-21 team says it all.
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YSU is in a three-way tie for sixth in the league standings with Oakland and Detroit and is just one game behind fourth-place Milwaukee.
I'll take it... Especially knowing we've lost three games in the league by 1 (Oakland), 2 (Detroit), and 3 (Valpo). Still in the thick of things in terms of getting a home game in the tourney.
Must win Thursday.
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Good Luck with that one! Especially as bad as we played the last three games. As to we won, and we were supposed to. We were supposed to beat APU, Miss KC, Detroit on the road and Valpo at home. More losses coming! Barely getting by a 5-21 team at home is not cause for celebration when we were projected third in the league. If you want just barely average or worse, well, you got it! The talent on this team was wasted this season.
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More losses coming! Barely getting by a 5-21 team at home is not cause for celebration when we were projected third in the league.
If we are talking facts, perhaps research them in advance:
Horizon League Preseason Rankings
Rank School (1st) Points
1. Green Bay (21) 390
2. Wright State (22) 389
3. Cleveland State (2) 338
4. Oakland (1) 258
5. Youngstown State (1) 219
6. Valparaiso 205
7. UIC 151
8. Detroit 141
9. Milwaukee
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Rememember, most of our games we're nice leads in the second half.
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Third by Sporting News, research your facts! I buy the magazines every year! Both of us are right depending on what you research!I don;t only followYSU, though I graduated from there. If I was going by the Horizon League pre-season rankings, I would have had Valpo. Cleveland St., Milw GB, Oakland based on schedule, Milw. all ahead of us. Sixth, right were we are, my point will always be, we blow nice leads in games at home. lose to chumps like Missouri KC, and brag about beating the Westminsters, Thiel's and Geneva's of the world. While Oakland is playing UNC, Cal, and Mich State on the road preparing for league play. We play Fredonia St., beat them, then the PR Department acts like we done something monumental. Granted I thought we played UMASS, St. John's and Pitt tough as we could, but to follow those up with losses to APU at home and Misouri KC on the road is not good. It's called inconsistency. So if you like average, you got it, and always will, unless the administration, and powers that be take more interest in the basketball program. Football will always be king at YSU, but I don't see YSU winning many more that 7 or 8 games a year. The rest of the FCS has caught and passed YSU. Our problem is still the defensive side of the ball. Ask Denver about that, good defense wins.
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I was going to wait until after the season to bring up these two points, but now seems like as good a time as any. First, we have been bad in basketball for nearly three full decades. Sure, Dan Peters had a few competitive teams in a weak league, and Slocum had two competitive teams when Eargle decided to come home (and thus played with Perry,) but otherwise it has been a tale of consistent losing. Perhaps we should recognize that we will never win in men's hoops, operate the program with minimal resources, and divert funds to sports that can actually be successful. Track and Field comes immediately to mind.
Second, I don't call for Slocum's dismissal. He inherited a terrible mess and has produced results that range from average to below average. Am I happy with mediocrity? Absolutely not as I departed the gym yesterday right after the women's game. But I believe that a new coach could make things worse....maybe much worse. What quality coach would come here considering the budget restraints and the football culture? Where would more funding come from in a climate where the state of Ohio spends more on amenities for the lowlife trash in our prisons than they do on education for our college students.
I could live with good football, good women's basketball and good track and field. Not that I can see the good football part anywhere over the horizon.
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UIC had lost 14 straight games coming into the game.... And we beat them by 3. They are a bad team, facts are facts.... Wick, to your point. I think bringing in a young, hungry head coach could do wonders for the program. Ya know, somebody who is actually energetic about the program, like Boldon was and Barnes is right now for the women's program. Slocum needs to go, plain and simple. I mean realistically how much longer is he gonna coach for? It's time for some new blood for the men's program.
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Oakland blows it in a big way down the stretch vs. Wright State. Now YSU and Detroit tied for 6th. UIC and Detroit duke it out Tuesday.
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0505 Coach will retire at YSU when he is ready to. 0505 do you have the money to pay some young hot assistant, if so how about sending a check to YSU then.
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0505 Coach will retire at YSU when he is ready to. 0505 do you have the money to pay some young hot assistant, if so how about sending a check to YSU then.
If the seats were all full every game, no one would have to send in a check, just saying!
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UIC had lost 14 straight games coming into the game.... And we beat them by 3. They are a bad team, facts are facts.... Wick, to your point. I think bringing in a young, hungry head coach could do wonders for the program. Ya know, somebody who is actually energetic about the program, like Boldon was and Barnes is right now for the women's program. Slocum needs to go, plain and simple. I mean realistically how much longer is he gonna coach for? It's time for some new blood for the men's program.
I call BS in a big way. All you, Ray and Paladin want to do is seize everything as a thread for Slocum or Strollo bashing. Do you guys know how old that gets? Stay with one thread an leave it there. Stop destroying good thread with the same old crap. What would a new coach, that does not hang around for 10-years first, be able to do? N-O-T-H-I-N-G! Slocum should stay as long as he wants to and I hope it is for some time to come. Strollo is the top AD this school as ever had ...with no close second. Some coaching hires work out & some do not. However when they are in the sports of football or basketball, results are magnified. You need to realize that YSU has really only had AD's since 1985. You also need to realize that the AD has almost nothing to do with a coaching hire.
All of you should be required to attend an athletic board meeting and you will see how things work. Then you would have a whole new respect for Strollo. I went to almost every one meeting about 1987 well into the 1990's, over two different AD's. There are powerful individuals in place from inside and outside of the university making decisions. Do you realize that almost every faculty member that sits on that board is too dumb to realize what sports mean to YSU and they have enough power to sway decisions? They would rather have no athletics and spend all monies on academics. They do not realize that it would be no more $$$ than they get now. If not less in the way of funds because our school would be directly controlled by the government's budgetary constraints. Without sports, there would be no additional or discretionary funds to allocate. We would still be a school about the size of Jones Hall educating mobsters sons to be lawyers. People like Strollo lend this school a sense of credibility in a sports-world dominated by the "haves". Schools that are either big in sports, or big in academics ...or both. In this world, we are a "have-not" ...sorry to burst your bubbles.
As to Slocum, this is our first DI coach that has been able to put teams together ...not hope for a good streak as a DI team. We experience issues on a team that other schools have been dealing with for years. Mainly enough talent to have more than 5 players want to play and more than 5 players that can play. Big deal ...what a great problem to have? Like Indy says ...you people add nothing to the conversation. If you did not watch the UIC game then why post in this thread other than to ask opinions of those that did? I admit that I only saw the first 6-minutes and the OT. Everyone gets upset when we are losing, but "trashing" the program just chases everyone away. Go out and find others to participate on the board is a better use of your time ...Do you guys want to just start banning people? There is a difference between voicing an opinion and bashing.
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1AA, you are up to your eyeballs in BS. All you do is seize everything as a thread to praise heacock, strollo and slocum. Three guys who have done nothing for ysu. It is people like you that hurt ysu athletics. You must enjoy being a loser. You point your finger at people like me that tell the truth. While you go around telling lies and refuse to live in reality. Whats that make you?
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First of all, i attend mostly every single game and if i cant, i watch on tv so I know exactly what i'm talking about. I just don't stand for mediocrity, and that's what Slocum is giving this program and the fans. Get real, he is a life long D2 coach. Strollo I don't have any dislike for, but Slocum. Anybody who supports him being the coach for years to come must be happy with mediocre basketball because that's what your going to get... Ok end of rant
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1AA, you are up to your eyeballs in BS. All you do is seize everything as a thread to praise heacock, strollo and slocum. Three guys who have done nothing for ysu. It is people like you that hurt ysu athletics. You must enjoy being a loser. You point your finger at people like me that tell the truth. While you go around telling lies and refuse to live in reality. Whats that make you?
A fan.
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Rayboy and 5:05 at the VIP. you guys kill me. You can not be loyal fans of YSU. You attack any and all people that are guiding our sports programs. I may be old and maybe I have seen way to many sporting events over the years including track meets, golf meets, tennis matches, volleyball, and before we eliminated them swimming and wrestling. I am so proud of this University and of the Athletic Department in what they have done to elevate us. People like Rayboy and 5:05 at the VIP are not fans but rather un-loyal or disgruntled fans of YSU. IAA keep your eyes on these two and if you have to drop the hammer or many of us like IP will disappear from posting.
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I totally agree with Elpenguin. Tho I do not expect pledging 100% allegiance to any sports! I do advocate support. I am sorry that IP no longer posts. I am sorry that some are disrespectful to Ron Strollo, and Coach Slocum. In my opinion they are fine men, working with and for the benefit of the University. You win some you lose some. Those who are critical of Ron Strollos hiring ability, I just wonder (Coach Paladin,( ha ha) do you give credit to Strollo for the hiring of Coach Barnes?
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Look guys, I 100% support all YSU sports, no matter who the coach is. I just think the basketball program is being held back by Slocum. If they could get a young fiery coach in here like Barnes, I believe it would do wonders for the men's side.
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I do not really make it a habit to ban anyone for expressing their opinions. Mainly it would be language and personal attacks and even then I offer a few warnings. Again I think we could solve everything by creating a thread and sticking with it. For example, the old "fire Heacock" thread. This way, we are not using every thread to call for a coach to leave or players to hit the bench. The OT was exciting to talk about and Perry came to life against UIC, yet we never got to that. This is not to say that we cannot arm-chair coach, let's not call for coaches head and talk about how bad the team is ...when (in the case of basketball) we know what they are capable of.
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I am not amored with Slocum. That being said that guy gets alot bang for the buck. We are on the bottom in the HL for monies allocated to the Mens team. Pre Slocum we were a laughing stock of the league...no need to mention that coach. The only decent mebs coach the last 20 yrs was Peters. Slocum is not the best game coach, but that being said he has brought us to being respectable where nobody can just pencil a W when they play us. With him Slowly building a program to a middle of the pack program it will be more attractive to hire a young gun now than 10 years ago. Be careful for what you wish for. AS for Strollo, look at the improvements to the facilities. We are slowly becoming a place that kids really have to consider in the non-football sports...
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I think YSU has plateued with Slocum. Having said that, here are some thing to consider when wishing for an HC that can turn YSU into a consistent top 3-4 program in the HL:
1) YSU does not have the money to fire Slocum
2) Slocum is unlikely to retire
3) YSU is unlikely to attract a top assistant from a D1 program, given what YSU pays the HC and what is allotted for assistant coach salaries. So, that means likely having a 2nd or 3rd assistant from a top tier program as the best candidates of current D1 assistant coaches. YSU would also likely be their first time as an HC at D1. That did not work out well with Jim Cleamons or John Robic.
4) YSU would draw alot of interest from coaches who have proven successful as HC's at the D2, D3 and NAIA levels. But, YSU has tried that route with Dan Peters and now Slocum. This has led to limited success. Better than with Robic and Cleamons, but not what alot of fans are clamoring for.
So, that leaves what I will call the "Mike Rice option". Hope to attract a person with proven success as a D1 head coach, but who comes with alot of baggage, including from their most recent HC job. You are likely looking at a person who would just be happy to be coaching at the D1 level, but they are also likely to be "outside the box" and not above doing ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to win. And, I do mean ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.
The first problem here is it would require firing Slocum, which will cost YSU $$$$. Second problem is YSU would have to be in contact with the chosen candidate, and be assured he will take the job. Otherwise, YSU would fire Slocum, and then end up with no HC to step right in. The third problem is at some point, a coach hired using this model would likely implode, and that could send the program back to the dark ages.
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For those in favor of trying what I dubbed "the Mike Rice option", here are some possible candidates. Not saying they would take the job at YSU, just some people that might be in a pool of candidates for this option:
*Pat Knight - recently fired from Lamar in his 3rd season. At the time of his firing, Lamar was 3-22, including 2-11 in the Southland Conference. Last year, Lamar finished 3-28/1-17. In his first season at Lamar, the team made the NCAA Tournament, and had a record of 23-12/11-5
Knight also coached 3.5 seasons at Texas Tech, with an overall record of 50-61/16-42. In his 2 full seasons as HC, Tech had 2 losing seasons, and made the NIT Quarterfinals in 2010-11, finishing with a record of 19-16. Brings name recognition, limited success as HC at D1 level, and plenty of baggage.
*Mike Rice Jr(Why not??? ;) - Doubt he would even be interested, but he is definitely a "chip of the ole block". So, seems only right to include him among the "Mike Rice options". I have NO DOUBT he would win at YSU, and get the program to the NIT or NCAA Tournaments. But, he is a ticking time bomb, and like his father will do ANYTHING he feels it takes to win.
*Billie Gillespie (Overall record as HC 148-108 in 8 years)- Most recently fired at Texas Tech after violating rules on practice time and alleged misconduct. Has been HC at UTEP(2 seasons), where he led UTEP to NCAA Tournament in his 2nd season, and record of 24-8... Was 70-26 in three seasons at Texas A&M, with 2 trips to NCAA Tourney and 1 trip to NIT
Next went to Kentucky, but was ultimately fired after 2 seasons. He sued the school for his firing. Led UK to 1 trip to NIT and 1 trip to NCAA Tournament. His next stop after UK was at Texas Tech.
Other posters, feel free to add to this list. I may add to the list as well. And, please know that this is being done somewhat sarcastically. But, if any of these guys want to be a HC, they would likely have to go back to a low to mid-major.
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I think YSU has plateued with Slocum. Having said that, here are some thing to consider when wishing for an HC that can turn YSU into a consistent top 3-4 program in the HL:
1) YSU does not have the money to fire Slocum
2) Slocum is unlikely to retire
3) YSU is unlikely to attract a top assistant from a D1 program, given what YSU pays the HC and what is allotted for assistant coach salaries. So, that means likely having a 2nd or 3rd assistant from a top tier program as the best candidates of current D1 assistant coaches. YSU would also likely be their first time as an HC at D1. That did not work out well with Jim Cleamons or John Robic.
4) YSU would draw alot of interest from coaches who have proven successful as HC's at the D2, D3 and NAIA levels. But, YSU has tried that route with Dan Peters and now Slocum. This has led to limited success. Better than with Robic and Cleamons, but not what alot of fans are clamoring for.
So, that leaves what I will call the "Mike Rice option". Hope to attract a person with proven success as a D1 head coach, but who comes with alot of baggage, including from their most recent HC job. You are likely looking at a person who would just be happy to be coaching at the D1 level, but they are also likely to be "outside the box" and not above doing ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to win. And, I do mean ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.
The first problem here is it would require firing Slocum, which will cost YSU $$$$. Second problem is YSU would have to be in contact with the chosen candidate, and be assured he will take the job. Otherwise, YSU would fire Slocum, and then end up with no HC to step right in. The third problem is at some point, a coach hired using this model would likely implode, and that could send the program back to the dark ages.
I call that the Cleveland State Option ...LOL
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1AA, I like that. ;D
And, while that option has worked well for CSU with Waters, it did not work out at all with Massimino. Which goes to show just how hard it is to go about building a program and finding a coach who is the right fit for the situation.
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How about Bobby Knight? He is from Orrville, OH which is only about an hour and a half away. ;)