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Two in the portal so far. Both d lineman. Learhman and Augustin.
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Both not too good news on a defense already struggling.
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Alex Howard and Treadwell. Both declared for portal also. Either they are leaving because of poor coaching and preparation or the coaches told them to hit the road, you aren’t good enough to play here. Defense getting gutted.
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Alex Howard and Treadwell. Both declared for portal also. Either they are leaving because of poor coaching and preparation or the coaches told them to hit the road, you aren’t good enough to play here. Defense getting gutted.
I thought Howard was one of our best defensive players!
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Nobody wants to play for this small time weenie coaching staff, especially defensively. Don't blame Howard for leaving. He is big time.
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Howard will probably go to Pitt
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Howard got an offer from Michigan State as of today.
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Howard is has. 1 yr left as a grad so I think rules states he has to transfer. In his twitter he had sd Michigan St offered and Liberty already.
If I was a YSU receiver I would be concerned about who is throwing to me in 24. Could be growing pains and some guys don’t want to waste a year for that.
Plus now with the portal the bigger schools can cherry pick off the smaller schools especially with NIL to build depth etc
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Howard has received offers from Mich St, West Virginia, Georgia Tech, Liberty to name a few. He is going to be a big loss and should succeed at his next schooll
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Howard is has. 1 yr left as a grad so I think rules states he has to transfer. In his twitter he had sd Michigan St offered and Liberty already.
If I was a YSU receiver I would be concerned about who is throwing to me in 24. Could be growing pains and some guys don’t want to waste a year for that.
Plus now with the portal the bigger schools can cherry pick off the smaller schools especially with NIL to build depth etc
If he has to xfer that is one thing and a smart move.
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Plus now with the portal the bigger schools can cherry pick off the smaller schools especially with NIL to build depth etc
If that is how the game is played now, I assume that we will cherry pick off the smaller schools, aka D2.
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Wudke in the portal too.
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9 defensive players are in the portal. Sucks
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9 defensive players are in the portal. Sucks
Would love to know why. Are they unhappy with the coaches, are the coaches unhappy with them, something else?
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Make it 10.... Jordan Trowers gone. It's eye opening this amount of good players leaving. Shows you the incompetence of the coaching staff. Players know...
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As we know DP has not utilized the portal in the past but now he has to get aggressive and rebuild a gutted, although, weak defense. Again. Not sure if it was coaching schemes and lack of preparation, lack of talent, lack of attitude, or a combination of all of it but this is where we are today on college coaching and sports.
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Okay everyone don’t forget if they already used their eligibility they can transfer for 1 yr for grad school. I don’t know how many have used their 4 years
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As we know DP has not utilized the portal in the past but now he has to get aggressive and rebuild a gutted, although, weak defense. Again. Not sure if it was coaching schemes and lack of preparation, lack of talent, lack of attitude, or a combination of all of it but this is where we are today on college coaching and sports.
Do you have a link to the portal?
My thoughts are it's both coaching and talent... YSU was way small and too weak up front. The secondary would have been better served having Stevie Wonder back there at least he could have bumped into someone.
Let's hope the coaching staff and talent on D gets upgraded.
As they always say: don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
On another note: the portals I've seen with all FBS players on it has no shortage of QB's. I like BB and think he can do the job. Him and the other young gun slingers may need another year...
We'll find out soon enough "IF" this D project will work.. Nova is the 1st game of the season in Philly. Although they lose 26 6th year SR's so there is that.
GooooooGuins!!
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We know that Howard is good, based on the offers that he is receiving. Let's see where the others end up. G5 or D2/3. That will give us a strong indication whether our bad defense was due to coaching or a lack of talent. Either way we have a defensive crisis: bad recruiting or bad coaching.
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We know that Howard is good, based on the offers that he is receiving. Let's see where the others end up. G5 or D2/3. That will give us a strong indication whether our bad defense was due to coaching or a lack of talent. Either way we have a defensive crisis: bad recruiting or bad coaching.
He's one of three on this I'm concerned about. The LB play was the only thing on the D with a passing grade.
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Medvec in portal too
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Medvec in portal too
Medvac SHOULD be in portal. He can kick and he can't kick for us. That's the good of the portal. BTW I'm a big BB guy at qb. I think o will be fine and d sucked anyway, so who cares? . The only portal guy I want is Howard. Let's see what we pick up.
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The portal and NIL will kill this level of football. My brother teaches at Fitch. Pitt was there visiting some recruits. They give each scholarship player a minimum of $22k per year. It has always been hard to recruit at the FCS level. But why would anyone choose an FCS school over FBS? Nova has rarely been able to out recruit the likes of Temple and Rutgers. NIL and the portal will make that impossible going forward.
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The portal and NIL will kill this level of football. My brother teaches at Fitch. Pitt was there visiting some recruits. They give each scholarship player a minimum of $22k per year. It has always been hard to recruit at the FCS level. But why would anyone choose an FCS school over FBS? Nova has rarely been able to out recruit the likes of Temple and Rutgers. NIL and the portal will make that impossible going forward.
Pardon me if I am naive, but does that 22k include tuition and housing or is it free money?
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Pure money in the pocket
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Pure money in the pocket
Wow, bye bye to the pretenders
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Well, looking at 247's portal tracker I only seen 2 Guins listed out of 2236 transferees...
Anthony Johnson DL
Alex Howard LB
I see more Harvard players listed than that.. Also, Louisville has enough D players in the portal to replace all supposedly 10 flightless birds all 3 and 4 star guys. :o
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we need to grab one of these half-backs unless we can convince one of the TE's to spend more time in the back. We need to hard-hitter behind QB.
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You can’t blame anybody for transferring.for money of a better program. We lose coaches all the time due to money.
This program has lived on borrowed time and even got the hometown discount from Tress and Pelini and I think even Heacock took a little less so he could pay his assistants better
We never parleyed our success to get to D1 and found any big money donors to get us their if Monus wouldn’t haven’t been caught he might of done that
So get used to his bit is 7-4, 6-5 maybe an 8-3 season here or there unless we find more cash and players will come and go now
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That is true YSU go. The only thing I would add to that is that we are far from the only university in this situation. So something Hass to come of it because I have a feeling we are one of the majority.
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Looks like we might of lost a few more guys in the portal it’s crazy. Looks like we offered a RB Robinson from Duquesne. As well. Anybody close to the program know if some were told to go. FCS is dead if this is the new model.
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Any names??
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The AD gets paid to figure these things out. Some may agree and others may disagree but its his job! I'm not gonna bash the guy as he has done some good things for the programs. However, he has been on numerous competition committees and had to know what was go to happen.
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I have to think that with NIL and the ability to transfer and play immediately that the FCS level will be basically dead. If you’re a Big 10 looking for playing time there’s probably dozens of FBS schools that will come calling. And with money. No reason to even think about transferring down a division.
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Any particular site that lists up-to-date transfers for FCS. I only find FBS. Any info would be helpful.
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Former Ursuline QB Brady Shannon has committed to Youngstown State. In HS he was a 3-Star QB that we had offered. He ultimately chose to play D1 Baseball at UCF. However last month he announced he was entering the transfer portal to play D1 football.
In his senior year at Ursuline he threw for 2,829 yards and 24 TD's, while throwing 12 int's. He completed 194/315 (61.5%) of his passes. He also rushed for 832 yards on the ground, where he racked up 8 more TD's. He is 6'3" and 210 pounds.
At the very least thing brings competition to the roster as we know this is a critical position to fill with Mitch Davidson graduating. We will see how he looks in spring ball along with Beau and the two others.
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We shall see if Brady Shannon is rusty. Not a bad get but we will need more transfers a that position
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We shall see if Brady Shannon is rusty. Not a bad get but we will need more transfers a that position
Any quality quarterback who enters the portal will want two things: money and a guarantee that he will be the starter. We can't provide the former and we won't provide the latter. The acquisition of Shannon means that there will be no quarterback transfer.
I watched Shannon on tv several times. I remember him as a punishing runner. Ignore his passing stats as very few high schools can play pass defense (ah, just like us.) It will be an interesting battle during spring ball.
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We shall see if Brady Shannon is rusty. Not a bad get but we will need more transfers a that position
Did he get any D1 offers to play QB when he came out of HS? If I recall, Crenshaw was also a 3 star recruit who could run but not pass. I hope this guy could do better.
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We shall see if Brady Shannon is rusty. Not a bad get but we will need more transfers a that position
Did he get any D1 offers to play QB when he came out of HS? If I recall, Crenshaw was also a 3 star recruit who could run but not pass. I hope this guy could do better.
As a D1 outfielder I'm sure he has raw arm talent to be developed into a very good FCS QB imo.
He was a 3 star recruit according to 247 Sports, ranked 80th overall prospect in the state of Ohio for Football
I only saw 6 other Ohio QBs ranked higher than him for that class. It looks like, UMAss, Akron, Kent and YSU all offered him in 2020 for football.
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The AD gets paid to figure these things out. Some may agree and others may disagree but its his job! I'm not gonna bash the guy as he has done some good things for the programs. However, he has been on numerous competition committees and had to know what was go to happen.
Maybe I do not understand ... what is his job again? The AD has absolutely nothing to do with the portal, any players coming or going. The AD makes the determination on dollar amounts being paid to athletes and is influential in name usage, but when it comes to players ... that is about it.
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We shall see if Brady Shannon is rusty. Not a bad get but we will need more transfers a that position
Did he get any D1 offers to play QB when he came out of HS? If I recall, Crenshaw was also a 3 star recruit who could run but not pass. I hope this guy could do better.
Thanks for the insight but a recruit with no experience has been out of football for a few years isn’t the answer as a starter and a D1 program. We’ve had plenty of quarterbacks that could run and not pass and let us to mediocre results. Sounds like this guy is a project he needs time to develop.
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WOW!! Another wasted scholly on a QB project!! BB (6-0) is too short for FCS football, right?? Ask the kid from Albany (5-11), Baker from SIU (5-9) nothing good ever became of them.
Need to spend schollies on defense!
YSU football the home of incompetence.
GooooGuins!!
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WOW!! Another wasted scholly on a QB project!! BB (6-0) is too short for FCS football, right?? Ask the kid from Albany (5-11), Baker from SIU (5-9) nothing good ever became of them.
Need to spend schollies on defense!
YSU football the home of incompetence.
GooooGuins!!
Baker played like crap against us. As for BB, the coach wouldn’t let him throw so WTH knows what he can do.
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WOW!! Another wasted scholly on a QB project!! BB (6-0) is too short for FCS football, right?? Ask the kid from Albany (5-11), Baker from SIU (5-9) nothing good ever became of them.
Need to spend schollies on defense!
YSU football the home of incompetence.
GooooGuins!!
Baker played like crap against us. As for BB, the coach wouldn’t let him throw so WTH knows what he can do.
So? Baker was a baller.. Check out what he accomplished -minus a game YSU pulled out their ass against them. My gut tells me BB is a bigger faster version of Baker.
Hey, Go can you do some of us a solid? Post the link to the portal you're seeing all these Guins on. Thanks.
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BB IS NOT THE ANSWER. TRUST ME.
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Needs are defense and QB and running back...simple Phillips needs to attack the portal real hard.. I hope he is. I know we got the former QB who played at ursuline but we need more.
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BB IS NOT THE ANSWER. TRUST ME.
WRONG!! TRUST ME.
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We don't know what kind of passer he is. Only ran the ball most snaps and most went for no yards. Very few psss attempts under his belt. You wanna go into a season with that? Then by all means do so.
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BB rushed for 129 YDS on 28 attempts for a 4.6 yds average and 3 TD's. Passed for 108 yds 14-20 with 1 INT.
Hell, King only averaged 5.4 yds per rush.
So, we can conclude that his rushing numbers are decent considering everybody including Stevie Wonder knew he was running the ball as he entered the game. Passing was 70% completion rate in a limited role throwed into a game.
Bottom line: I'm hoping he's cut from cloth his dad is (best QB ever to play at YSU) and be a winner without the crazy record-breaking stats that hasn't won sh** from the previous QB's everyone went gaga for!
Transfer portal project QB will be a disgrace and hopefully we'll see BB hit the xfer portal.
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BB rushed for 129 YDS on 28 attempts for a 4.6 yds average and 3 TD's. Passed for 108 yds 14-20 with 1 INT.
Hell, King only averaged 5.4 yds per rush.
So, we can conclude that his rushing numbers are decent considering everybody including Stevie Wonder knew he was running the ball as he entered the game. Passing was 70% completion rate in a limited role throwed into a game.
Bottom line: I'm hoping he's cut from cloth his dad is (best QB ever to play at YSU) and be a winner without the crazy record-breaking stats that hasn't won sh** from the previous QB's everyone went gaga for!
Transfer portal project QB will be a disgrace and hopefully we'll see BB hit the xfer portal.
So that I understand you correctly, basically what you're saying is that you don't need an unbelievable QB. You can win with people that have grit, a will to win, and can manage the game well. Most of Tressel's QB's were game managers and weren't asked to do too much. As long as the team around the QB is excellent, it's less of a concern.
That correct?
While I think that's what you're conveying, I do think it will be more difficult to recruit to an elite level at every position, more so today than in previous decades due to many of the rule changes etc. I think what you're saying can be done, but not preferable. The size of the OL and DL in today's FCS game is much different than when Tressel was in the FCS, and there weren't teams that had a collection of that size across the entire LOS like the best teams today. The 2023 version of the Penguins is athletically superior to both the 93 and 94 teams that won it all.
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Dude, the 93 and 94 teams were littered with legit D1 players that either stayed home or transferred back. Tressel worked that like a master. There probably aren’t more than a small handful of kids on the current roster that could have played for those teams. FCS 2023 is D2 when compared to 1AA in the 90s
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I agree with power. In general people today underestimate the talent at fcs level. Especially in Mvfc. We were great in the 90's but very little NFL level talent . That is not true today. Our teams regularly are getting players into the NFL. This year there will at least be 2. It is a team game. We could not have showcased Oliver without a good online and someone to get him the ball. Hooker is planning on being in the draft also and he may not have been our best player in the secondary and the secondary was probably our weakest unit on the team. In short I do not agree we don't have talent.
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Dude, the 93 and 94 teams were littered with legit D1 players that either stayed home or transferred back. Tressel worked that like a master. There probably aren’t more than a small handful of kids on the current roster that could have played for those teams. FCS 2023 is D2 when compared to 1AA in the 90s
Nova is correct back when Trestle was here specially, with the early 90s teams we had many D1 players. Another advantage he had even though he said he recruited a state of Youngstown. He recruited the city series schools very well plus the local area had more talent which has been reduced Due to population shrinking and the loss of manufacturing jobs and people moving away especially from Packard and GM. Another reason back then too one AA was only about 80 teams now I think it’s over 100+ I didn’t check but I know it’s more division one has increased as well , so Phillips does have a harder job and recruiting elite players. So going back to what power was saying that we could probably just have a game manager for a QB that’s true but it always hurts us now when we play the better teams Davidson was system quarterback, and he did Have an elite running back for one year and he had a elite receiver for two years, but he was limited and it showed at times.
Football is about the QB at all levels now QB has to be accurate and make a decisions and be elusive. It seems that Youngstown state we get a QB but he’s missing one of the attributes and I need to be developed.
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Dude, the 93 and 94 teams were littered with legit D1 players that either stayed home or transferred back. Tressel worked that like a master. There probably aren’t more than a small handful of kids on the current roster that could have played for those teams. FCS 2023 is D2 when compared to 1AA in the 90s
Very few were NFL. But some of the best lineman from that era never made it to the NFL. We've had more in the last 10 years. For example:
Matt Hogg was 6-5 305 lb and played overseas
Harry Deligianis was 6-4 305 llb and played a few years in arena ball and overseas.
So please explain your point. What am I missing?
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You can’t base the overall talent level off a a few one off kids that made it to the NFL. In my opinion the 93/94 teams would smack the crap out of the 23 team.
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But, but, but the 70 Bears would skull drag the 23 Eagles.. :o
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We offered this lb from Iowa St. Heacock is the D coordinator
https://x.com/carstonmarshall/status/1734717518273491036?s=46&t=SqaSHXYmGnI4EDZFC6T0VA
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We offered this lb from Iowa St. Heacock is the D coordinator
And he is making about 1 million a year, or just under.
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You can’t base the overall talent level off a a few one off kids that made it to the NFL. In my opinion the 93/94 teams would smack the crap out of the 23 team.
That isn't the case. I feel this year we have a lot of talent top to bottom. Best o line since 2016. Best recievers overall possibly ever. Some solid talent on d but also some holes. If I go back to the 90's we had a lot of talent but also some weak areas depending on the year. Our consistent strength was the lines. We had some years with only one or 2 good receivers. Tight ends were week overall compared to recent talent - Ogletree and Rader. This isn't a knock on strollo. Lol. Nice discussion though. I feel strongly the opposite of some commenters and I've spoke to some recent players who agree. Fcs is much stronger now than in the 90s especially in MVFC. At a game this year I spoke with McAllister. Nice young man. He is on rams practice squad waiting for his turn in the starting lineup. He was our lineman through some of our down years realistically. I would be curious to see fcs NFL players by year. I can't find that info.
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Hers a link for portal info
https://theportalreport.com/cfb-transfer-portal/
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Hers who we offered so far
Players in Transfer Portal that YSU Has Offered
Oliver Bridges - DB - Cincinnati - Twitter Link
Owen Goss - DB - Colgate - Twitter Link
Treyveon McGee - DB - Iowa State - Twitter Link
Joseph Loiseau - DL - Gannon - Twitter Link
Moses Sarweh - DB - Dodge City CC - Twitter Link
Jovon Jackson - DB - Fairmont State - Twitter Link
Bryce Llewelyn - DB - Charleston Southern - Twitter Link
Jyvion Curry - DB - Long Beach CC - Twitter Link
Brady Shannon - QB - Central Florida (Baseball) - Twitter Link - YSU Commitment
Sam Lee - TE - Hillsdale - Twitter Link
Austin Bray - TE - UT Martin - Twitter Link
Edward Robinson - RB - Duquesne - Twitter Link
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I am a bit behind, but I have been tracking here. Loiseau committed to YSU over nearly 2 dozen other G5/FCS teams.
We have some other offers to add.
https://t.co/3RgSSV3FjN
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Ore defensive linemen please
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What is going on with HS recruits?
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I would be all over Long Beach CC. That conference gets some great players from the LA Catholic schools. We had that stud from Mater Dei come out of there. He played for Heacock and was 'all everything' and a pro tryout. Cannot remember his name.
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Make it 10.... Jordan Trowers gone. It's eye opening this amount of good players leaving. Shows you the incompetence of the coaching staff. Players know...
Good player? Dylan and Howard maybe but not Jordan
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BB IS NOT THE ANSWER. TRUST ME.
Because he's short? 6/4 beats 6/0. No argument But BB is about the same as BM with Tampa Bay Bucks. You can win in 1aa football at 6/0. I'm big on Beau. Also big on RB Harris. Transfer TE Bray will be huge help (literally and figuratively) We'll score enough. (28 against Villanova). We just gave up too many. We lost most if defense but it wasn't worth keeping.
Good God Jordan Trowers couldn't cover me!
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I see where DE- Andres Lehrman 6' 2" 255 (Youngstown State) was picked up by Montana.
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We have lost defensive players to much greener pastures. Are the defensive coaches not good and did we have bad Skeems? Makes one think maybe we had the talent but not correct coaching on defensive side. Anyone got info ?
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We have lost defensive players to much greener pastures. Are the defensive coaches not good and did we have bad Skeems? Makes one think maybe we had the talent but not correct coaching on defensive side. Anyone got info ?
Inside source I heard from said schemes were too complicated. Take it for what it’s worth.
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I would be all over Long Beach CC. That conference gets some great players from the LA Catholic schools. We had that stud from Mater Dei come out of there. He played for Heacock and was 'all everything' and a pro tryout. Cannot remember his name.
Re kid from Mater Dei. All I remember is he was a RB and a good one (I think LOL)