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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: YSUGO on November 23, 2019, 05:41:20 PM
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Comment on who we should hire.
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Neither is going to happen.
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It starts at the top. Strollo and Bo need to be let go. Bringing in new assistant coaches isn’t enough.
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Four things that will NEVER happen, but should.
Bo gets fired
Bo resigns
Strollo resigns or gets fired
Mark Brungard for YSU head coach (lol go ahead and light me up)
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And just to add fuel to the fire...per Mays presser. The fact that (paraphrasing) “guys weren’t afraid to make mistakes” and guys that are “done after this year left it all on the field today” further substantiates the fact that our coaching staff is incredibly poor.
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And just to add fuel to the fire...per Mays presser. The fact that (paraphrasing) “guys weren’t afraid to make mistakes” and guys that are “done after this year left it all on the field today” further substantiates the fact that our coaching staff is incredibly poor.
Agreed! Paralysis through analysis...no player wanted to make a mistake and get berated on the sidelines in front of family and teammates. Sad. Can't play any sport like that let alone football.
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I want to know what the big changes are going to be.
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I know nothing is going to be done. What bothers me the most is I almost think that they don’t care about the average fan in the seats. I know the loges are full and what do they get per loge. Someone made a comment that the fair weather fans missed a good game yesterday. Well they even chased away a lot of the die hard fans too.
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I still love the hypocrisy of saying "what a great hire by Tressel", then fire coach P and Strollo. Strollo is the reason you have a successful bowling team. The reason you have a new practice field and a new Tennis Center on the way. New swinning & diving team with Woman's LaCrosse. Yes Strollo did hire Bo, but it was not a one or two man decision and you would have called for Strollo's head had he not hired Bo and you found out about it. He takes the brunt of people's crap all the time yet continues to make our school something to be proud of. Far more than any other single person on campus including OSU president Tressel.
As to Bo, Strollo cannot remove him at this point and we all know it and if it did nhappen it would not be a one-man decision. We do not have the resources, nor would it be fair without cause.
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You have a new tennis center because Tressel got the funds to complete the press box and countless other donations. You cant possibly convince me that Strollo is capable of raising $$$ to make a difference? However, with the new press box you get an incompetent defensive coordinator. BTW there are only 34 Division I bowling teams. Therefore, much easier to compete and be successful.
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You have a new tennis center because Tressel got the funds to complete the press box and countless other donations. You cant possibly convince me that Strollo is capable of raising $$$ to make a difference? However, with the new press box you get an incompetent defensive coordinator. BTW there are only 34 Division I bowling teams. Therefore, much easier to compete and be successful.
...and you cannot possibly convince me that the future of this campus and the direction of our athletic programs were not "written in stone" long before Tressel came back. Thus the reason he was hired. Bo hires his own staff, as has every coach in YSU football history. Press box has nothing to do with it. You forget that Carl Pelini is up in that press box & Bo could have have named him DC on paper. Bo should have removed enough dead wood to keep the best OC we ever had, you know the guy who is on his way to an FCS final game match-up with North Dakota State and should be leading YSU's offense there instead.
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At the end of the day results matter. The YSU Ath Dept is a FRAUD. If successful any # of MAC schools would have hired Strollo away.
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Strollo is a puppet. JT is the reason these big donors are ponying up to build up the campus.
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Strollo is a puppet. JT is the reason these big donors are ponying up to build up the campus.
Every athletic director in the entire nation, at all levels, is the same thing. Who was a bigger fraud as AD that Tressel? He just agreed to do the scheduling for a $10k annual stipend. The difference is Strollo knows how to "SPEND" the money in ways that improve our university. Results are what makes him a good AD.
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The football team with Strollo as AD has made the playoffs twice 06 and 2016. 2 Conference Championships we we were a co-champ in 05 and won the conference outright in 2006. Since then we have stunk other than 2016.
Mens basketball has had 17 losing seasons since AD Strollo took over in 01. We had what 2 years above .500. People in the seats are at an all-time low in both sports. Fan interest is low. I can go on and on.
We need to be in leagues that we can compete in. Things will never change till we evaluated the athletic department. Then we need to evaluate what league we truly need to compete in that we can sustain it financially to put all our programs in a position to compete..
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To state the obvious, Strollo is a polarizing figure. If you are a member of the donor class or the Penguin Club, you love the guy because he treats these folks very well. If you are a regular season ticket buyer or a common fan, you wonder how this character still has a job.
There is no denying that the athletic facilities have expanded greatly under his watch. Personally, I believe that would have happened under any athletic director but the fact remains that it happened under Strollo.
But as Go has noted earlier this evening, Strollo allowed a national football power to erode beyond recognition and he failed to improve the poor basketball program that he inherited. Throw in also the fact that Strollo murdered DeGregorio's women's basketball team with two horrible politically correct hires. He did resurrect the program by turning to Boldon and Barnes.
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You have a new tennis center because Tressel got the funds to complete the press box and countless other donations. You cant possibly convince me that Strollo is capable of raising $$$ to make a difference? However, with the new press box you get an incompetent defensive coordinator. BTW there are only 34 Division I bowling teams. Therefore, much easier to compete and be successful.
...and you cannot possibly convince me that the future of this campus and the direction of our athletic programs were not "written in stone" long before Tressel came back. Thus the reason he was hired. Bo hires his own staff, as has every coach in YSU football history. Press box has nothing to do with it. You forget that Carl Pelini is up in that press box & Bo could have have named him DC on paper. Bo should have removed enough dead wood to keep the best OC we ever had, you know the guy who is on his way to an FCS final game match-up with North Dakota State and should be leading YSU's offense there instead.
"and you cannot possibly convince me that the future of this campus and the direction of our athletic programs were not "written in stone" long before Tressel came back"
That is certainly true. No matter how wrong you are, any time on the blog and a pea would know you are in love with everything Strollo.
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I would not say that I am everything Strollo. When we do move in terms of conference ...he may no longer be the best choice. However, as with most positions dealing with YSU sports ...we may not be able to afford anyone better. Until we make our move, or at least be in a position to do so, Strollo is the best choice. Just because I am more rational about it, does not make me blind.
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MAKE A CONFERENCE MOVE?
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MAKE A CONFERENCE MOVE?
Lol to where?
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Does anyone think Bob Davie is retiring, or will he be looking? Is he a good choice for YSU?
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From today's Tribune/Vindy
Simon saw it all with YSU
LOCAL SPORTS
NOV 26, 2019
GREG GULAS
Correspondent
sports@tribtoday.com
BEAVER TOWNSHIP — As the Tribune Chronicle beat writer for Youngstown State football, sportswriter Joe Simon has witnessed the highs and lows of the YSU program while maintaining the neutrality, albeit tough at times, expected of a staff member.
“One of the the toughest parts of my job is having to criticize a coach or player,” Simon told the Curbstone Coaches during Monday’s weekly meeting at Avion Banquet Center. “You build relationships with these people, and it’s not easy when you have to critique them for such a large audience, but it’s part of the job.”
A 2000 graduate of Liberty High School, Simon earned his undergraduate degree in journalism-mass communications from Kent State University.
He has covered the Penguins’ grid team on and off since ’01 when he was a member of the school newspaper’s sports staff, The Jambar.
Simon started at the Tribune Chronicle in 2004, took a two-year hiatus from 2010-12 to work for another newspaper and since 2012 has been the Tribune Chronicle’s expert on YSU football.
He has covered the last three head coaches since current President Jim Tressel left for Ohio State after the 2000 season, noting that Jon Heacock, who succeeded Tressel, Eric Wolford and now Bo Pelini were all good coaches in their own way.
“I started at The Jambar when Jon Heacock took over for Jim Tressel, and he was excellent to work with,” Simon said. “Ask anyone who worked with Jon Heacock, and they’ll have nothing but glowing remarks, and he was a very good coach. He took the Penguins to the FCS playoffs in 2006 before losing to eventual national champion Appalachian State.
“Coach Wolford came next and he, too, was a good coach who could really recruit. When Bo Pelini came in, the expectations went up. People expected YSU to compete for national titles right away. That’s not easy to do. He’s an excellent X’s and O’s coach who truly cares about his team and players.”
Simon said he receives e-mails asking whether Pelini is the right man for the job after another disappointing season.
“YSU football has been a tough topic of late because of how things have been going around the program,” he said. “Pelini went 12-4 in 2016 and made it to the FCS national championship, but since then they’ve been inconsistent. They lost badly to some average teams this year and then dominated the No.6 ranked team in the country, Illinois State, on Saturday.
“If it was a different coach then that coach might be gone because of the expectations, but Bo’s contract was extended in March, so he’ll probably be here for the next three years.”
Simon called Pelini a players’ coach.
“Bo is a fiery and intense coach, and that’s all some people see,” Simon said. “I think he realizes some changes have to be made in how he coaches. It might seem like there’s a disconnect at times because when players play loose, like they did on Saturday, you saw the result as they dominated Illinois State.
“When they play tight, it’s been tough and you see the inconsistency. I think he realizes that a new approach is needed when dealing with the new generation of players. He’s hinted at some coaching staff changes and will be the first to tell you the defense, which has been inconsistent, is on him.”
Simon added Pelini works extremely hard and really appreciates his blue-collar work ethic.
“Senior defensive back Kyle Hegedus said it best when I asked him about coach Pelini,” Simon said. “He said coach Pelini is going to get on you and be tough on you, especially the way we’ve been playing. The best thing is to listen to what he says and not how he’s saying it.”
Simon said YSU’s last two recruiting classes have been better, and this year’s freshman class has considerable talent.
“I’m a big fan of quarterback Nate Mays and they’ll have a hard time replacing his leadership,” he said. “He’s one of the toughest players and competitors I have ever covered. As for freshman Mark Waid of Girard, Bo said there’s no play that they are afraid to call with him under center, so expect a competition between him and Joe Craycraft to see who will be starting quarterback next season.”
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“Bo is a fiery and intense coach, and that’s all some people see,” Simon said. “I think he realizes some changes have to be made in how he coaches. It might seem like there’s a disconnect at times because when players play loose, like they did on Saturday, you saw the result as they dominated Illinois State.
“When they play tight, it’s been tough and you see the inconsistency. I think he realizes that a new approach is needed when dealing with the new generation of players. He’s hinted at some coaching staff changes and will be the first to tell you the defense, which has been inconsistent, is on him.”
I think we have to come to the realization that Bo is not going anywhere soon unless he gets offered a dream coordinator position. We will see as the seasons come to an end and people start losing their jobs around the country if his name comes up. Other than that, he will be back.
Again, we see another article on the "changes that have to be made in how he coaches." Athletes cannot be afraid to make mistakes!!! I cannot believe that we are reading this about a national level coach. Granted, players need dressed down when they make mistakes, but that happens in the locker room during film sessions and review of play and it stays there! This does not happen in the public in front of friends and family. You get on players during the week, tear them down, build them up, and then cut them loose on gameday hoping that you prepared them for the job ahead - coaching 101!!! Then after the contest, you reflect on play, reflect on preparation, find the mistakes and fix them. If the player or coach is not capable of fixing them, next man up. 90% of college sports is recruiting the right athlete! I raised two college level athletes, one Division 1 and I know personally that if they played timid and not confident, it showed in their performance.
I am not convinced he is a "players coach." If he was, those kids would not have preformed like they did during the season. They would have fought to the end, not quit and ran through a brick wall for the coach and program. I know he is not a "yes" man with administration and the public so that tarnishes his image. I think that is one change that has to be made, he has to be more open and transparent with the media, fans, and university.
I am anxious to see the changes and would like to see them happen this week if it involved coaching that way we can get on the horn and start a search for the best coordinators we can find.
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MAKE A CONFERENCE MOVE?
Lol to where?
The OVC is the obvious choice. Get all the programs under one roof. (with the possible exception of bowling??)
Major reduction of travel expense. More natural rivalries. You lose a heartbreaker in football, you get a chance in basketball etc. Much better to have common opponents in a variety of sports.
OVC plays beach volleyball. If we are looking for Title IX women’s positions, beach volleyball is far more appealing than bowling.
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OVC would make sense. Tired of hearing how we play in the SEC of football. It has never been a good fit.
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We played a team missing 2 OL and their QB. Their top TB was playing at maybe 50%. Of course none of this will change this year. a 100% ILS would have beat up on us like SIU.
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We played a team missing 2 OL and their QB. Their top TB was playing at maybe 50%. Of course none of this will change this year. a 100% ILS would have beat up on us like SIU.
Not like we were 100%. You can never speculate on what ifs, they fielded their best players that day and so did we. Ours were better.
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We played a team missing 2 OL and their QB. Their top TB was playing at maybe 50%. Of course none of this will change this year. a 100% ILS would have beat up on us like SIU.
I think WE were missing a couple OL and our QB? Next man up. Trying to make excuses for winning is as poor as making excuses for losing. We beat the up front, all day long, both sides of the ball. Not our fault our freshman QB is better than their freshman QB. Not our fault our guys played harder than their guys.
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We played a team missing 2 OL and their QB. Their top TB was playing at maybe 50%. Of course none of this will change this year. a 100% ILS would have beat up on us like SIU.
I think WE were missing a couple OL and our QB? Next man up. Trying to make excuses for winning is as poor as making excuses for losing. We beat the up front, all day long, both sides of the ball. Not our fault our freshman QB is better than their freshman QB. Not our fault our guys played harder than their guys.
Exactly, we were not 100% either. That was a nice win.
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We played a team missing 2 OL and their QB. Their top TB was playing at maybe 50%. Of course none of this will change this year. a 100% ILS would have beat up on us like SIU.
That's also a matter of opinion--with the way our defense was playing ,ILS @ 110% would've still got their butts kicked. 8)
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It was a great win, but I am not going to hang my off-season on it & think that we have all the answers on this squad. If our defense at 110% (and the ILS offense at 100%) would have given up 400+ yards passing by Q3 & then their back-up TBs would have then ran all over us when we tried to adjust, Just as it has been for the past 6-weeks. Their lines were bigger and faster than ours, just as it has been for the last 6-games. We blitzed every play against a scared young QB who could not offer his team any direction, when experience QB's throw for 50+ yard TDs with the same Pelini pressure. ILS was 0-12 in 3rd-downs, clearly we had 100%up front defense.
Our first drive was the only respectable drive we had., because we went wildcat on them. The second drive was 10 plays for 29-yards & a field goal. We build up a decent head of steam with CHapman (3) and then we pull him?
We need bigger and faster lines, bigger fast TB's, a defense that can tackle, corners that see the it, once the ball is snapped. All of this with some additional depth by April.
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only 2 wins in conference play. that is all you need to know.
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And we will lose our 2 starting DE next season
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I dont think Bo is the best coach, but who are we going to get if he's fired? I think you need to give Bo the resources he needs so that there are no excuses. Then if he is fired for performance you can secure a coach that sees the resource efforts placed in football. If you fire him now, without a good faith effort to provide the salaries for assistants, then you won't get a good replacement HC or assistants.
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It was a great win, but I am not going to hang my off-season on it & think that we have all the answers on this squad. Our defense at 110% (and the ILS offense at 100%) would have given up 400+ yards passing by Q3 & then their back-up TBs would have then ran all over us when we tried to adjust, Just as it has been for the past 6-weeks. Their lines were bigger and faster than ours, just as it has been for the last 6-games. We blitzed every play against a scared young QB who could not offer his team any direction, when experience QB's throw for 50+ yard TDs with the same Pelini pressure. ILS was 0-12 in 3rd-downs, clearly we had 100%up front defense.
Our first drive was the only respectable drive we had., because we went wildcat on them. The second drive was 10 plays for 29-yards & a field goal. We build up a decent head of steam with CHapman (3) and then we pull him?
We need bigger and faster lines, bigger fast TB's, a defense that can tackle, corners that see the it, once the ball is snapped. All of this with some additional depth by April.
We won't ever know for sure if they were at 100%--I remember back in 2013 UNI had knocked off Iowas State yet they couldn't beat ILS but YSU beat ILS 59-21--you could be right about them @ 100% but the team with better players is never a guaranteed win and I still believe ILS wasn't gonna win this one better or not---bottom line we won and we will never know about "if's."
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Sorry David, I meant to say "If" our defense was at 110% and ILS was at 100% we would have given up all of those yards and points.
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And we will lose our 2 starting DE next season
Is Justus quitting? He has a year left if he wants it.
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Justus could benefit from another year, but I am not sure it will improve his recognition factor at the next level. Certainly would not hurt though. I do not see him being drafted.
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Haven't heard if Justus is coming back but they are definitely trying to get an extra year for Malik. It's in the works
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Haven't heard if Justus is coming back but they are definitely trying to get an extra year for Malik. It's in the works
We could certainly use both Reed and Richmond. Malik has been, to my knowledge, a model citizen at YSU, and would love to see him get another year. Reed is the best pass rushing DE I’ve ever seen at YSU and that obviously includes Rivers and Moss and I, for one, am counting on him working to get his draft position improved in 2020. It would be HUGE if he stayed.