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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: IAA Fan on November 12, 2023, 08:38:53 AM
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I thought that I would begin this thread. Note that I used the words "Constructive" and "Compliments" in the title. Anyone can attack, and I know how angry we all are after yesterday's excuse for a football game. It certainly is difficult to find positive things to say. However, we are fans and this is our team, so let's make some quality replies.
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I have so many things to talk about, this will be a short winter :) LOL The two things I wanted to start with are:
1. For the people that think a small handful of players is the gap between YSU and the upper-half of the conference. Think again. We need about 8 players (starting O and D only) just to field a team. I skipped WR's and #2's in my calculations there. We are at the end of an era here . We lose our QB, top WR, Both TBs, our top DE and DB, two on the O-Line and one on the D-line. Again these are only starters.
2. This year's play-off. There is still a chance that we see the play-off for this year. Do we want to accept any offer, or refuse it? Part of me does not want to waste the money. Traveling is so expensive. Also those of you that think we may draw a bottom-feeder need to realize this. Compared to most of the upper halves of the brackets ... WE are the bottom-feeder. The other part of me wants to give the team some post-season exposure for future seasons. Just not sure.
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I didn't know you could refuse an offer to be included in the playoffs outside the SWAC, MEAC or Ivy.
If YSU gets in the playoffs we should play
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Yes, we are still missing a few critical pieces for this team to be competitive in the upper half of the conference.
We have some pretty decent players. Unfortunately, we don’t have to coaches who could properly devise sound offensive and defensive schemes to allow the players to play in a system that will allow them to be successful.
Combining that with the lack of well designed plays and poor play calling, obviously, we were unable to compete.
Did our coaches really think other teams did not scout us such that every time #12 got on the field, all he did was to put his head down and run?
We need to get D-1 coaches going forward. If we can’t afford them, join another conference if we want to be in the playoff.
It is a business decision. Give the people a product that they want to buy. It takes investment (money) to make money. Otherwise, our stadium will continue to be empty without the ability to generate the revenues to fund the program. But, the athletic department will continue to complain that we have limited resources to get things done.
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I didn't know you could refuse an offer to be included in the playoffs outside the SWAC, MEAC or Ivy.
If YSU gets in the playoffs we should play
Actually, any team from those three conferences can certainly go to the play-off ... and has. We have played them. Even after the MEAC/SWAC Challenge was created. As far as I know (And I have no facts) any refusal is an individual decision. The Ivy League itself made the decision to not allow football after a certain date. This was supposedly for academic reasons & also the importance of the Ivy League Championship.
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After what I saw yesterday, you will not have to worry about it! Really, we have one true quality win! Southern Illinois! That is it! We were expected to be Ill St. and Miss St! other than that what do we have Valpo and RMu!
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After yesterday's performance a few things stand out to me that the staff needs to address. And accepting the fact that we are not going to have the funding to get fully developed coaches, we need to hope that we get young assistants that can learn from past results and methods or they need to be replaced. Things that need to improve in my opinion.
1. To me our staff has not done a good job of offensive and defensive stategy to maximize the talent we have. I hope they can learn from this and improve. Can't run the ball every time number 12 comes in. Can't cover talented recievers one on one. Can run the ball most of the time on 1st down. We get no pressure with our front four and yet we seem to have only one on one coverage on wide outs. Where are the other defenders? And we seem to always have the tight end uncovered on mid range passes to the side lines. Pass defense is a definite shortcoming that needs a major overhaul.
2. Need to always bring in talent from the portal each year like most teams at our level. This past year I think we only brought in number 10.
3. Can't build a program on mostly local talent. Fans love it until we have a showing like yesterday.
4. Can't build a program on just developing walk on's to scholarship players.
Lets hope that DP has the ability to right the ship. Lets not forget that our team this year is a big improvement since the end of the Pelini era. Need to continue the improvement and make changes to get this done.
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My point about needing 2 people on each side of the ball is this:
You need 2 more people to create problems on the D-Line. You need to force teams to commit to 2 double teams. That would free up the current DL to get after the QB. Similar concept with the OL.
Running backs aren't the problem. I wasn't overly impressed with SDSU's, but they look outstanding because of the blocking at all levels. That is the biggest problem.
It's interesting that no one mentions the fact that they didn't do anything fancy (except for their failed trick play). They just liked up and ran their normal offense that took what the defense was giving them.
If the DL issues were addressed Marcus Hooker wouldn't be the leading tackler on defense in that game.
You've got a lot of youth on the lines. Believe it or not, that matters.
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A 36-0 whitewashing against the #1 team in the Ice Castle equals no Play-offs! If we would have gave them a decent game maybe, but not now! It doesn't matter if we win against Murray St. or not!
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The sagarin rankings of YSU victories this year.
256 Valpo
241 Robert Morris
194 Indiana State
138 Illinois State
160 Missouri State
102 Southern Illinois
200 Murray State (TBD Saturday)
119 YSU (Ranking)
These rankings were prior to last weeks games. The FCS is so weak these days that I guess it's possible that they could be considered?
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The sagarin rankings of YSU victories this year.
256 Valpo
241 Robert Morris
194 Indiana State
138 Illinois State
160 Missouri State
102 Southern Illinois
200 Murray State (TBD Saturday)
119 YSU (Ranking)
These rankings were prior to last weeks games. The FCS is so weak these days that I guess it's possible that they could be considered?
I like sagarin as it is very realistic, but for any ranking purpose, it is worthless. Use the coaches poll.
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The sagarin rankings of YSU victories this year.
256 Valpo
241 Robert Morris
194 Indiana State
138 Illinois State
160 Missouri State
102 Southern Illinois
200 Murray State (TBD Saturday)
119 YSU (Ranking)
These rankings were prior to last weeks games. The FCS is so weak these days that I guess it's possible that they could be considered?
I like sagarin as it is very realistic, but for any ranking purpose, it is worthless. Use the coaches poll.
Coaches loll is trash today. It's not the same as it used to be.
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I agree with DMorton on his synopsis of it doesn't matter if we win at Murry State, I feel like we are ready to be upset.
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If we win next week at Murray State we are likely in the playoffs based on how the schedule will likely play out. If we get in, we will do damage. We will probably win the first 2 games. That would mean we would finish in the top 8.
If and when this does happen, I don't want to hear anymore bullsh** about the team and coach. He's building a great program here. Hes got to work with his coordinators and coaches. They need development and that takes time.
Direct your anger at the AD for keeping Heacock who couldn't recruit but could coach. For the record, dynasties are usually once in a lifetime events. That's just reality
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I think that we are moving in the right direction with the program, not where we want to be yet but making progress. A few years ago, we would have been very happy with the year we have had so far.
A loss to that school down south, the top team in our division and two close losses on the road to a couple of good teams. Not bad!
Coaching staff still has some room to improve, a couple of games where I do not think that the team was ready to play at kick-off.
What amazes me is the negativity with some our fans. Will we make the play-offs, who knows. Past history is not on our side, but hope is better than despair.
Been going to games since the Polish Rifle, will be there next year.
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Pelini left the program in shambles when he left going to take until next year. WE NEED TO WIN NEXT YEAR THOUGH. Philips would have 5 years by then. time to win!! Need a transfer portal QB too.
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I think that we are moving in the right direction with the program, not where we want to be yet but making progress. A few years ago, we would have been very happy with the year we have had so far.
A loss to that school down south, the top team in our division and two close losses on the road to a couple of good teams. Not bad!
Coaching staff still has some room to improve, a couple of games where I do not think that the team was ready to play at kick-off.
What amazes me is the negativity with some our fans. Will we make the play-offs, who knows. Past history is not on our side, but hope is better than despair.
Been going to games since the Polish Rifle, will be there next year.
I totally agree
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If we win next week at Murray State we are likely in the playoffs based on how the schedule will likely play out. If we get in, we will do damage. We will probably win the first 2 games. That would mean we would finish in the top 8.
If and when this does happen, I don't want to hear anymore bullsh** about the team and coach. He's building a great program here. Hes got to work with his coordinators and coaches. They need development and that takes time.
Direct your anger at the AD for keeping Heacock who couldn't recruit but could coach. For the record, dynasties are usually once in a lifetime events. That's just reality
Power with the diluted conference schedule we should make the playoffs. Wolford or Pelini never had this easy of conference schedule.
So if we go 5-3 we will either be the 4th or 5th best team in the conference.
I know the top team the jackrabbits best Northern Iowa by 35 pts. We lost to them.
I don’t know if Phillips is the answer but he needs a huge talent influx to get to the next level in our conference.
We will see. But I said earlier in the year our D wasn’t great after I watched Ohio st and you said heck no we are so much better. We aren’t on D and honestly that’s been our Achilles heal other than 2016.
Murray St should be an easy win. Then it’s up to the asshats that pick the teams.
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If we win next week at Murray State we are likely in the playoffs based on how the schedule will likely play out. If we get in, we will do damage. We will probably win the first 2 games. That would mean we would finish in the top 8.
If and when this does happen, I don't want to hear anymore bullsh** about the team and coach. He's building a great program here. Hes got to work with his coordinators and coaches. They need development and that takes time.
Direct your anger at the AD for keeping Heacock who couldn't recruit but could coach. For the record, dynasties are usually once in a lifetime events. That's just reality
Power with the diluted conference schedule we should make the playoffs. Wolford or Pelini never had this easy of conference schedule.
So if we go 5-3 we will either be the 4th or 5th best team in the conference.
I know the top team the jackrabbits best Northern Iowa by 35 pts. We lost to them.
I don’t know if Phillips is the answer but he needs a huge talent influx to get to the next level in our conference.
We will see. But I said earlier in the year our D wasn’t great after I watched Ohio st and you said heck no we are so much better. We aren’t on D and honestly that’s been our Achilles heal other than 2016.
Murray St should be an easy win. Then it’s up to the asshats that pick the teams.
We are better on defense this year than we were last year. Our problem is on the DL. The secondary also has issues, but many of those issues are caused by the lack of pass rush.
Look at where we are statistically this year vs last year defensively. We are better, we're just not good enough to beat the top tier teams. We need more recruiting on the DL and OL. We have to be able to run the ball against anybody.
Here's what people need to keep in mind.....SDSU will not be the same team next year. They graduate a ton of people. I expect that there won't be such a dominant force in FCS next year.
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Correct me if I am wrong here but I don't think we finish higher then 5th in the conference regardless of the outcomes on Saturday?? SDSU, SD, NDSU, UNI and possibly ND all ahead of us? Hate to break it but 7-4 and tied for 4th or 5th in the conference wont cut it.
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Correct me if I am wrong here but I don't think we finish higher then 5th in the conference regardless of the outcomes on Saturday?? SDSU, SD, NDSU, UNI and possibly ND all ahead of us? Hate to break it but 7-4 and tied for 4th or 5th in the conference wont cut it.
SDSU and SD will finish 1-2. Assuming that we beat Murray, here are the two scenarios:
If NDSU beats UNI, we would finish in a 4-way tie for third place in the league at 5-3 (with NDSU, UNI, winner of ISU/ND.)
If UNI beats NDSU, we would finish in a 2-way tie for fourth place with the winner of ISU/ND.
Of course conference standings mean nothing to the corrupt committee. They would take a 4-4 (7-4 FCS) NDSU and SIU over a 5-3 (7-3 FCS) YSU
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The minute the gun sounded at UNI and SD we were out of the play-offs! With this committee, and the scenarios you suggested there is no way we get in! I would be totally shocked the way we were overlooked in the past! Remember the Lafayette debacle years ago, and Delaware last year! They are not going to take five to six teams form the MVC.
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If we win next week at Murray State we are likely in the playoffs based on how the schedule will likely play out. If we get in, we will do damage. We will probably win the first 2 games. That would mean we would finish in the top 8.
If and when this does happen, I don't want to hear anymore bullsh** about the team and coach. He's building a great program here. Hes got to work with his coordinators and coaches. They need development and that takes time.
Direct your anger at the AD for keeping Heacock who couldn't recruit but could coach. For the record, dynasties are usually once in a lifetime events. That's just reality
Power with the diluted conference schedule we should make the playoffs. Wolford or Pelini never had this easy of conference schedule.
So if we go 5-3 we will either be the 4th or 5th best team in the conference.
I know the top team the jackrabbits best Northern Iowa by 35 pts. We lost to them.
I don’t know if Phillips is the answer but he needs a huge talent influx to get to the next level in our conference.
We will see. But I said earlier in the year our D wasn’t great after I watched Ohio st and you said heck no we are so much better. We aren’t on D and honestly that’s been our Achilles heal other than 2016.
Murray St should be an easy win. Then it’s up to the asshats that pick the teams.
We are better on defense this year than we were last year. Our problem is on the DL. The secondary also has issues, but many of those issues are caused by the lack of pass rush.
Look at where we are statistically this year vs last year defensively. We are better, we're just not good enough to beat the top tier teams. We need more recruiting on the DL and OL. We have to be able to run the ball against anybody.
Here's what people need to keep in mind.....SDSU will not be the same team next year. They graduate a ton of people. I expect that there won't be such a dominant force in FCS next year.
I just at this years conference stats for D. We finished 4th last year in conference. This year we are 8th plus we are giving up an extra point a game. We have a weaker conference schedule. So no we haven’t improved on D.
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Just as I thought we have not improved at all. Gone backwards
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If we win next week at Murray State we are likely in the playoffs based on how the schedule will likely play out. If we get in, we will do damage. We will probably win the first 2 games. That would mean we would finish in the top 8.
If and when this does happen, I don't want to hear anymore bullsh** about the team and coach. He's building a great program here. Hes got to work with his coordinators and coaches. They need development and that takes time.
Direct your anger at the AD for keeping Heacock who couldn't recruit but could coach. For the record, dynasties are usually once in a lifetime events. That's just reality
Power with the diluted conference schedule we should make the playoffs. Wolford or Pelini never had this easy of conference schedule.
So if we go 5-3 we will either be the 4th or 5th best team in the conference.
I know the top team the jackrabbits best Northern Iowa by 35 pts. We lost to them.
I don’t know if Phillips is the answer but he needs a huge talent influx to get to the next level in our conference.
We will see. But I said earlier in the year our D wasn’t great after I watched Ohio st and you said heck no we are so much better. We aren’t on D and honestly that’s been our Achilles heal other than 2016.
Murray St should be an easy win. Then it’s up to the asshats that pick the teams.
We are better on defense this year than we were last year. Our problem is on the DL. The secondary also has issues, but many of those issues are caused by the lack of pass rush.
Look at where we are statistically this year vs last year defensively. We are better, we're just not good enough to beat the top tier teams. We need more recruiting on the DL and OL. We have to be able to run the ball against anybody.
Here's what people need to keep in mind.....SDSU will not be the same team next year. They graduate a ton of people. I expect that there won't be such a dominant force in FCS next year.
I just at this years conference stats for D. We finished 4th last year in conference. This year we are 8th plus we are giving up an extra point a game. We have a weaker conference schedule. So no we haven’t improved on D.
Rushing defense is improved and we played Ohio State in there too
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Rushing defense is improved and we played Ohio State in there too
Agree.
In comparison to last year, #3 and #23 have been very active and effective in filling the gap in defending the run. The front four have also improved in stopping the run. Unfortunately, they still had a tendency of either missing some critical tackles or in stopping the runs around the outside edge.
Our defensive problems have always been centered on our inability to put pressure on the opposite QB in the passing situation (especially against taller QBs who could throw over the DL). (We did well against the 5’9” QB from SIU).
In my view, the defensive scheme has been inadequate for last year and this year (i.e. this year, in one of the home game, we tried to cover the best conference receiver one on one for the entire game resulting in a career day for the guy). I would have thought the dc.would double up on the guy after half time. No, he didn’t…..
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Just one thought. One reason it has been harder to recruit since heacock is all these years we barely miss the playoffs. Tressel used to sell the kids that every year we compete for a championship. That is a harder sell since we have not made the playoffs. If playoffs are an option NEVER decline. That will help this program immensely which is one reason it irritates methatwe barely miss the playoffs often going back to the early 2000's.
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About every team has lit us up with the passing game. Of course the rushing D has improved due to teams passing at will. This team needs more than 2 players on each side of the ball to be a top 1 or 2 geam in the conference. You are losing your 2 best players on offense and I think your TE and a RB are Seniors. Is Davidson getting a 6th year. If not QB is a big problem. Big problem. Let’s hope we get a bid this year