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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: The YO Show on October 09, 2023, 09:17:17 PM
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Well penguin fans! It is SD week! A tough matchup for two reasons, 1. YSU doesn't seem to do well in domes, 2. It is a MVFC conference foe, and SD is looking tough taking down NDSU at the Fargo Dome!
Now, I think the Penguins balanced offense will actually prove to be a bit of a challenge to SD, but we will see. Anyone have any other predictions?
GO PENGUINS!
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I’m not 100% sure what got into our defense against SIU but we need more of that style of defense week in and week out. That was a complete game by the defense. We can’t go into this dome and put up 35 points and lose. Going to come down to turnovers, penalties and special teams like it usually does on the road in the MVFC.
Go Guins!
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South Dakota earned their win at Fargo even though the statistics heavily favored the Bison. South Dakota won because they hit NDSU with a 50 yard td pass and a 52 yard td pass in the first half. They only threw the ball 12 times in that game, but completed 10 passes.
In their two conference games (against one very good team and one poor team) South Dakota has managed only one quarterback sack. This suggests to me that our balanced offense should cause them problems, as YO has indicated. It is about time that we win a conference game in one of those stupid gyms.
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First off. I see Midco Sports if not televising the game therefore no local coverage - only on ESPN+.
If this team stands any chance at making the playoffs they need to win 2 games in a row and prove they can win on the road. This is a vanilla team we are playing. We have to be disciplined on defense. Lull you to sleep on running and catching you off guard with long play action passes. Bread and butter. The one area that confounds me is our lack of tight end passes. The teams that have consistently beat us in this conference have had excellent tight ends. We never run our tight ends down the middle of the field to occupy safety’s. I think it’s an area that defenses take advantage of if they know the tight end is not a threat. It’s an area that we need to do better at.
Go Guins!
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First off. I see Midco Sports if not televising the game therefore no local coverage - only on ESPN+.
If this team stands any chance at making the playoffs they need to win 2 games in a row and prove they can win on the road. This is a vanilla team we are playing. We have to be disciplined on defense. Lull you to sleep on running and catching you off guard with long play action passes. Bread and butter. The one area that confounds me is our lack of tight end passes. The teams that have consistently beat us in this conference have had excellent tight ends. We never run our tight ends down the middle of the field to occupy safety’s. I think it’s an area that defenses take advantage of if they know the tight end is not a threat. It’s an area that we need to do better at.
Go Guins!
Great point on the TE's. Last week we had a new offensive formation with 2 TE's up close in the red. We handed off to the TB, so we really had no use for the TE's, even as a decoy. Maybe we will start doing something with them. I noticed the NFL and Big-10 are going back to the two TE sets.
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First off. I see Midco Sports if not televising the game therefore no local coverage - only on ESPN+.
If this team stands any chance at making the playoffs they need to win 2 games in a row and prove they can win on the road. This is a vanilla team we are playing. We have to be disciplined on defense. Lull you to sleep on running and catching you off guard with long play action passes. Bread and butter. The one area that confounds me is our lack of tight end passes. The teams that have consistently beat us in this conference have had excellent tight ends. We never run our tight ends down the middle of the field to occupy safety’s. I think it’s an area that defenses take advantage of if they know the tight end is not a threat. It’s an area that we need to do better at.
Go Guins!
Great point on the TE's. Last week we had a new offensive formation with 2 TE's up close in the red. We handed off to the TB, so we really had no use for the TE's, even as a decoy. Maybe we will start doing something with them. I noticed the NFL and Big-10 are going back to the two TE sets.
Need I say more. Hero sports TE rankings after 6 weeks:
Tight End
1. Bauer Sharp, Southeastern Louisiana — 90.6
2. Zach Heins, South Dakota State — 81.7
3. Mason Gilbert, Lafayette — 80.4
4. Tyler Neville, Harvard — 78.2
5. Joe Stoffel, North Dakota State — 77.8
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We are hosting another YSU Football X/Twitter Space tonight to discuss YSU's big win over #5 SIU and the upcoming road game at #10 South Dakota. We will go live around 8pm. Wanted to pass along to anyone who may want to tune in and share their thoughts on the game! The link is here:
https://x.com/WeAreYoungstown?t=qyssFOSIKMc26eY5BRFZTQ&s=09
Also, please check out the Youngstown Penguin Football Podcast on your favorite podcast streaming app They are doing a great job recapping all of our matchups each week. They had a podcast last night.
We are trying to get the program some additional coverage like some bigger programs are accustomed to.
Beat USD!
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Watched the NDSU vs USD game yesterday. Seems to me that USD is much like Norhtern Iowa in that they have big O and D lines and a FBS transfer QB who is a big stong guy, but not much of a runner. Their running game is ok but not great. Both their O and D are slower than our guys. We should be ok if we don't just try to over power them on line play; we need to use our speed advantage much like last week against SIU. Need to pressure the QB; not sure our 4 man D line can pressure the passer. I feel good about our chances, but again I am just a fan. And we have won very few road games the last few years.
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Is the game on TV this Saturday? Any local stations carrying the game?
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We won against them the last 2 times right? Last one was a blow out? Should be a win nothing less
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We won against them the last 2 times right? Last one was a blow out? Should be a win nothing less
They got a bunch of transfers. They have several Ohio and Florida kids now on their roster.
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From todays Tribune/Vindy
https://www.tribtoday.com/sports/local-sports/2023/10/penguins-offensive-balance-versatility-carries-team-into-showdown-with-south-dakota/
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If we can continue to get pressure on the qb we have a good chance of making playoffs. So the question is how do we respond from our game against SIU. One only knows
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We won against them the last 2 times right? Last one was a blow out? Should be a win nothing less
They got a bunch of transfers. They have several Ohio and Florida kids now on their roster.
So what if this team is better and deeper as per some of your assessment shouldn’t be a big deal.
Should be a win. No excuses
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We won against them the last 2 times right? Last one was a blow out? Should be a win nothing less
They got a bunch of transfers. They have several Ohio and Florida kids now on their roster.
So what if this team is better and deeper as per some of your assessment shouldn’t be a big deal.
Should be a win. No excuses
When you look at the players getting honors across the FCS, we don't really have much in the way of those awards. Makes me think that we really play as team a d the success is shared for whoever can take it. It think this will be a tough game. That's why they are played.
However, what I was eluding to is.......how did we let Ohio kids escape? Why don't we go after more FL kids too?
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We won against them the last 2 times right? Last one was a blow out? Should be a win nothing less
They got a bunch of transfers. They have several Ohio and Florida kids now on their roster.
So what if this team is better and deeper as per some of your assessment shouldn’t be a big deal.
Should be a win. No excuses
When you look at the players getting honors across the FCS, we don't really have much in the way of those awards. Makes me think that we really play as team a d the success is shared for whoever can take it. It think this will be a tough game. That's why they are played.
However, what I was eluding to is.......how did we let Ohio kids escape? Why don't we go after more FL kids too?
It seems we aren’t really recruiting any Florida kids anymore. Don’t like that. As for the Ohio kids that’s on Coach P to close the deal.
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In my eyes this will come down to our ability to limit their rushing attack to 100 yards or less (their RB rushed for 190 last week), while on the flip side being able to establish our rushing attack, to open up our passing game, to string some touchdown scoring drives together. If we become one-dimensional offensively like UNI, it will be tough to win.
A couple YSU vs USD podcasts/shows to listen to over the next couple days to get you ready for #10 USD!
- Youngstown Penguin Podcast - https://spotify.link/uzKIjsQHQDb
- We Are Youngstown Twitter Space - https://t.ly/Gg2Wl
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Game time 2pm. On espn + and no local stations. I will have the game on ESPN + and radio. Hopefully we can carry over the intensity we had last week
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Where is the first down liner. Talk about the most important thing in the football broadcast and they don’t have it. Tell you what just shut the announcers up and put my yellow line in there.
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Too bad they ran into the punter. SD would otherwise have 0 instead of 3
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Rushton off to a good start.
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I would prefer to see less penalties in critical moments. Running into the punter earlier now the false start on 3rd and 1 in the red zone.
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Where is #10!?
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That was a bogus holding call!
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Glad we have a 1-1a punch because rushton is breaking good runs today.
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Same old crap. Had no idea where that ball was no idea. He pulls his hands back as if he knew where the ball was. He never even saw it. I’ll be able to turn around. He could’ve taken it to the house for a touchdown the other direction.
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Do our defensive back ever look for the ball?
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Their offensive coordinator has readjusted to what were doing on defense! While we run the same old stupid off tackle to start each series and put us in hole right from the start!
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It’s truly hard to watch
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It is starting to look like no playoffs again to me! We should be up by atleast three in this game!
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Wow. So bad
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Now they’re going to not only get a few goal on us. They’re going to get the kick off in the second half and score a touchdown on us. This game is already over.
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This could get ugly real fast in the second half since they get the ball to start the half!
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We need to have a good defensive series to open the second half and an equally good offensive series or it’s over
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Yep! We are going to stop their explosives alright!
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It’s over
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Sad when the fat lady comes out so early
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What happened to "Leave No doubt"
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Embarrass once again, but somehow they’ll find a way to tell us it’s OK just hold on blah blah blah. Now they know how southern Illinois felt
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So predictable. Another 7-4, 6-5 season.
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We simply couldn’t figure out their plays.
On the pass plays, db couldn’t locate the receivers. On the run plays, we couldn’t track down the running backs.
Wow, we finally threw a long pass down field.
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Whatever you do now, do not let them have time-consuming play immmediately after scoring!
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It isn’t going to do us any good until we figure out how to stop their offense
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Are you effing kidding me? Just went outside for two minutes and I come back to see this!
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Where is our safety? The defense scheme is ridiculous especially when we couldn’t pressure their qb.
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This went from a low scoring affair to a shootout. Need a stop here.
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keep it up guys! No let up now.
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One thing about Philips teams, they fight all game. Also, second half adjustments are usually good.
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Serrano looks very shaken up there. Hopefully that injury isn't as bad as it looks
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Three and out please! No long SD drives! Win this baby at the end!
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Well here we making critical mistakes when we should have been in field goal range, and leaving them time on the clock!
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Poor game management at the end of the game to give this one away.
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There goes the playoffs!
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Nice job on the penalties late to basically blow the game, after a great comeback. #smh
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LOL
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There goes the playoffs!
Fire Strollo Fire Phillips
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This is completely on the coaches! Our kids fought their asses off to win this game! Stupid play calling and time managment at the end!
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Offensive line had too many mental mistakes the last series that shouldn't happen for an experience unit. SD qb not mobile but no blitz unlike last week.
Coach seemed to play not to lose at the end instead of letting it rip.
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I dont't think anyone should be fired, but critical penalties in a game this big at the end of the game, and game mangement mistakes should not be happening!
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My only comment on this game is - no comment
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Offensive line had too many mental mistakes the last series that shouldn't happen for an experience unit. SD qb not mobile but no blitz unlike last week.
Coach seemed to play not to lose at the end instead of letting it rip.
I am absolutely agree with you that we play for not to lose in the last drive.
When the commentators said that YSU is going back to the game plan…..I knew we were doomed.
Why committing the PI and stop the clock. Tackle the guy after he caught the ball. You need the clock to run…
It took total screw ups at the end of game to give one away…. We ran the damn ball and was throwing the 50+ yards pass.
Move the ball down field and kick the field goal to win the game.
I just don’t understand the play calling at the end of the game……..
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Can't win with 10 penalties for 75 yards. Most came at critical times. We get no pressure on opposing QB's. It puts tremendous pressure in the secondary to perform. Their QB was accurate too
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There goes the playoffs!
Fire Strollo Fire Phillips
No need to mention strolllo here. This one is all on Tressel. Do you want to bring him back and then fire him? Lol.
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Agree with a few other posters. Poor game management on our last drive. Plus that false start by the senior tackle was a killer as well.
What made it even worse was we played in prevent it looks like we rushed 3 guys on the last 2 plays I think on interference call we did. Plus i knew they were going back to the same area to set up for fg. Poor coaching there and i almost forgot didn’t we go for it at mid field in the first qtr and we lost field position if we punted and u think that played in their first score For SD.
This is 2 games we blew now on the road. We need to win out now or stick a fork in it for any chance of the olayoffs. The better coach win today. Their coach won 2 D2 championships and it showed today. Ours coached like he was still coaching the Salem Quakers
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There goes the playoffs!
Fire Strollo Fire Phillips
No need to mention strolllo here. This one is all on Tressel. Do you want to bring him back and then fire him? Lol.
You can blame Strollo for running the program into the ground. Phillips is doing a fine job considering the starting point. Because the program now doesn't have the money to pay for the best, you have to endure a learning curve. Deal with it. He will be a great long term coach that brings stability to our football program.
Unfortunately we play in a conference that's just completely brutal and is so good it actually downgrades the rest of the B1G because the MVFC steals those players.
We are far more improved, but we are missing that explosive player on both sides of the ball. Need to upgrade the DL and the secondary coaching
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There goes the playoffs!
Fire Strollo Fire Phillips
No need to mention strolllo here. This one is all on Tressel. Do you want to bring him back and then fire him? Lol.
You can blame Strollo for running the program into the ground. Phillips is doing a fine job considering the starting point. Because the program now doesn't have the money to pay for the best, you have to endure a learning curve. Deal with it. He will be a great long term coach that brings stability to our football program.
Unfortunately we play in a conference that's just completely brutal and is so good it actually downgrades the rest of the B1G because the MVFC steals those players.
We are far more improved, but we are missing that explosive player on both sides of the ball. Need to upgrade the DL and the secondary coaching
You hit it in the nose I said beginning of the year we don’t have a legit homerun hitter on offense. We have a few good ones but we don’t have that special sauce player.
But the game management hurt us tonight. Coaching wasn’t used those last few minutes. We had timeouts use them Coach dammit.
I said all along as long as we are in this conference we will struggle to be in the top 3.
I stand by what I say
Nothing makes me puke more than hearing well we play in the toughest league, blah blah blah.
There’s no flag or trophy for finishing 4th or 5th every year.
The fans are tired of it and honestly a lot of the diehards are as well.
We keep making excuses for Phillips but what’s scary here is.
He hasnt recruited 1 good offensive skill player since he’s been here! He had a couple of. Good transfers and a steal with the Rb we had last year.
King is ok
But his HS recruits at the rb and QB?
Defensively we have transfer LB that’s decent and 1 Lineman
We still have too many penalties. Nothing really has changed much
Like someone said. 6-5. Or 7-4 that’s what is.
We still dont have any identity either.
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Cannot believe we lost after a tremendous comeback
Simply disgusting.
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Well! Start looking forward to basketball! There is no way we recover from this one, and make the playoffs unless the committee takes practically the whole MVC, and we know they will only take the top three, maybe four if lucky!
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If we win our and beat SDSU we will probably get in. Power in the conference is shifting.
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Mens basketball has the potential to be better than last year... I have attended 3 or 4 practices and they look super athletic. Possibly can win the league. Trust me on this we are deeper and have a strong transfer class. We have lots of size and experience.
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Mens basketball has the potential to be better than last year... I have attended 3 or 4 practices and they look super athletic. Possibly can win the league. Trust me on this we are deeper and have a strong transfer class. We have lots of size and experience.
The problem here is that football is the only sport that matters. No one gives a sh** about non-contact Olympic sports.
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Good Luck beating SDSU up there in the middle of winter!
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My bad! I guess the bunnies are coming here! Still a tall task!
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My bad! I guess the bunnies are coming here! Still a tall task!
SDSU is the eventual National Champion. We need to see how we stack up to them. That's who we need to be better than to win it all..
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More excitement at a ysu men's basketball game than any of the ysu sports hands down. Yes it was the best season ever but more to come. Maybe we are becoming a basketball school. Seems that way.
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Penguin power you are 100 % wrong, Calhoun has. Brought total excitement to the basketball program. They were filling up the bleachers and there was a buzz for the team, We are winning plus he plays COACHES AN exciting style of play.
The fans back a winner in Youngstown it doesn’t matter what the sport. Even the junior hockey team sold out during the playoffs and the won the championship.
I feel it seems the football program generates very little interest even I have lost interest. How long are we going to live off the 90’s . It’s time to clean house get new blood from the athletic dept, the marketing dept, and even clean up the sidelines on the hangers ion from that area Penguin club. Other than the Tressel era and a run in the 70.$. Football has been mediocre.
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Under the current leadership we are a 7-4 team at best if we remain in the mvfc and continue to schedule 2 ooc patsies. This will not get us into the playoffs. Davidson looked like a walk on yesterday locking on to his intended receivers and making poor decisions. SDU dbs are as bad as ours and a good qb with a sold line would lite them up. Also 56 needs benched too many mental mistakes for penalties.
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Penguin power you are 100 % wrong, Calhoun has. Brought total excitement to the basketball program. They were filling up the bleachers and there was a buzz for the team, We are winning plus he plays COACHES AN exciting style of play.
The fans back a winner in Youngstown it doesn’t matter what the sport. Even the junior hockey team sold out during the playoffs and the won the championship.
I feel it seems the football program generates very little interest even I have lost interest. How long are we going to live off the 90’s . It’s time to clean house get new blood from the athletic dept, the marketing dept, and even clean up the sidelines on the hangers ion from that area Penguin club. Other than the Tressel era and a run in the 70.$. Football has been mediocre.
Sometimes I like to post controversial topics to get some excitement on this board.
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Thanks ysu go for saying it like we all feel. Your posts are true and make sense. Whatever the sport GO GUINS!!!!
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I’m not 100% sure what got into our defense against SIU but we need more of that style of defense week in and week out. That was a complete game by the defense. We can’t go into this dome and put up 35 points and lose. Going to come down to turnovers, penalties and special teams like it usually does on the road in the MVFC.
Go Guins!
Hate to say I told you so. Turnovers, penalties and special teams cost us this game. Always does on the road in MVFC.
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I disagree with any negative comments on here. Bottom line this was a very good team. We played well to come back. Made too many mistakes down the stretch. Those things we can fix. We have more talent now than we did in the 90's unfortunately in our conference there is a ton of talent. Tressel could not even win the Gateway. It is hard to win on the road. That being said, we need to learn to do it. Also, did anyone think a few of the big calls that hurt us were the wrong call. The targeting that was reversed was textbook targeting. The facemask on offense I didn't see. The league / refs already sent us an apology for allowing Northern Iowa to win on 2 illegal shifts that caused us to jump offsides on critical downs.
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I disagree with any negative comments on here. Bottom line this was a very good team. We played well to come back. Made too many mistakes down the stretch. Those things we can fix. We have more talent now than we did in the 90's unfortunately in our conference there is a ton of talent. Tressel could not even win the Gateway. It is hard to win on the road. That being said, we need to learn to do it. Also, did anyone think a few of the big calls that hurt us were the wrong call. The targeting that was reversed was textbook targeting. The facemask on offense I didn't see. The league / refs already sent us an apology for allowing Northern Iowa to win on 2 illegal shifts that caused us to jump offsides on critical downs.
Great points!
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Again the apologists voice the same excuses. Refs, mistakes, conference to tough to win on the road. We are better than ever really. We beat this team by what 20 at home last year I think we beat them the last 2
Times.
Okay so if they are better why? We spotted what a 24-3 lead it happens over and over.
You have a coach that is clueless on managing time management.
You have a coach that at times needs to coach like on that last drive. He gave him that win at end of game.
Our D had idenity. Nobody fears it. They do want they want. Philips hasn’t found a qb and if I think Brungard is the answer lol.
Not being negative we have seen this over and over when are we going to see that this conference isnt a good fit.
Even Wolford alluded to this and said he was trying to recruit where they recruit. Especially for lineman.
But for some reason you guys think being here is the right thing.
All ii can say is look at crowd on Saturday. look at the chatter in here and what do you see is a football program
that is not a player in FCS, the local community that has no interest at all.
Next year will be a circus unless he finds a good QB etc
Done talking about this Go Pens
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When you’re ranked #20 and you’re playing #10 on the road and lose by a field goal…isn’t that almost expected? I think some fan’s expectations are really unrealistic.
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I dont think it's unrealistic. I believe we are all hoping for a win when it matters. For nearly 25 years the program has a lot of empty wins.
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I disagree with any negative comments on here. Bottom line this was a very good team. We played well to come back. Made too many mistakes down the stretch. Those things we can fix. We have more talent now than we did in the 90's unfortunately in our conference there is a ton of talent. Tressel could not even win the Gateway. It is hard to win on the road. That being said, we need to learn to do it. Also, did anyone think a few of the big calls that hurt us were the wrong call. The targeting that was reversed was textbook targeting. The facemask on offense I didn't see. The league / refs already sent us an apology for allowing Northern Iowa to win on 2 illegal shifts that caused us to jump offsides on critical downs.
Great points!
WOW typical dumbassery on this board.. Last time I checked Tressel coached 4 years in the "Gateway" Won the national championship 97, National runner up 99 and got bounced in the 1st round in 2000. Who gives a sh** if you win a conference when you make the playoffs SMFH ! :o Heacock is the only coach to win the Gateway/MVFC crown and did it 2x's
YSU is a shell of itself, shame crap different year. The diehard fans that have followed YSU forever are even sick of this display of football.
Even the exciting roundball team sh** the bed when it counted last year LOL!!
Other than that GoooGuins and "leave no doubt"!
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Check your facts. Ysu never won gateway but did win a championship under tressel while in gateway. Heacock did win Gateway (Mvfc) twice
Including a good run as fcs runners up in 2006. Similar run in 2016. Anytime we make playoffs we go deep. Why? Strength of mvfc! Realistically though that makes it harder to win regular season games. Go to the games, support the team.
Look at it another way. How many NFL players came out of Tressel era? 2 I can think of. Wilkins and Delgianis. Today we have 4 players we are following who played here in the last few years on active rosters and making a difference in the NFL. Rivers, McLaughlin, Ogletree and the lineman from last year. We also had Moss, Rader and the db rivers who went to NFL in the last few years. No question we are more talented than the 90's. It's fun to watch. Go guins.
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There is nothing more important than winning the conference. If you are one of those "play-off only" fans; is there a better way to guarantee yourself a play-off spot? Also, home games? Wm the conference!!
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No offense if you have a family member on the team jcrum, but the talent level now is nowhere near the talent level YSU had in the 90s. The YSU teams of the 90s were loaded with legit D1A/FBS level players. I don’t see very many on the current roster that could play at that level.
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No connection to the team except being a fan since the late 80's. Talent level across fcs especially MVFC is higher than it was in the 90's. Many more NFL players coming from fcs. I feel our "mediocre" performance as some state has more to do with consistently playing a higher level of talent in Mvfc. I agree we should win conference but we can't get upset when we don't. To me the proof of the talent is the number of NFL players coming from ysu. It is much higher than it was in the 90's. I fell in love with the team in the 90's but was always surprised at lack of NFL success. I remember Leo Hawkins scored a TD for browns in a preseason game but then was cut.
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Check your facts. Ysu never won gateway but did win a championship under tressel while in gateway. Heacock did win Gateway (Mvfc) twice
Including a good run as fcs runners up in 2006. Similar run in 2016. Anytime we make playoffs we go deep. Why? Strength of mvfc! Realistically though that makes it harder to win regular season games. Go to the games, support the team.
Look at it another way. How many NFL players came out of Tressel era? 2 I can think of. Wilkins and Delgianis. Today we have 4 players we are following who played here in the last few years on active rosters and making a difference in the NFL. Rivers, McLaughlin, Ogletree and the lineman from last year. We also had Moss, Rader and the db rivers who went to NFL in the last few years. No question we are more talented than the 90's. It's fun to watch. Go guins.
Quote posts so people know what in the hell you're talking about you look stupid cause my post in view is 100% accurate. I was actual posting with my gut feelings not my knowledge at first.
UR Obviously a Tressel hater and an Ohio State fan because that's all I heard from those dumb asses was how many NFL players OSU has and how many YSU has, my reply was "who gives a f*** hairless nut!" NFL players and Conference championships who gives a f*** really?! None of that is translating into a playoff spot. Play well enough to get in and run the table.
I bet UNI would trade their 16 conference rings and many NFL players for YSU's 4 rings and 3 runner ups :o
Talent level at YSU is spotty at best.
Oh, and using your analogy Heacock was the best coach in YSU history :) Thinking about it he's 2nd for sure.
"Leave No Doubt!"
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There is nothing more important than winning the conference. If you are one of those "play-off only" fans; is there a better way to guarantee yourself a play-off spot? Also, home games? Wm the conference!!
Dan stop, you and the other Crum geeesh.. I 100% agree winning the conference is great and a guarantee for the playoff. I'd like to see the auto bids for conference champs go away! Take the best 16 teams by SOS, eye test and whatever other factor they can come up with this water down 24 team including the auto conference champs sucks. YSU always buys home games, usually to the semi-finals that when the seeds come into play. so, there will always be home playoff games "IF" we ever get there again. :(
"Leave No Doubt!"
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I disagree with any negative comments on here. Bottom line this was a very good team. We played well to come back. Made too many mistakes down the stretch. Those things we can fix. We have more talent now than we did in the 90's unfortunately in our conference there is a ton of talent. Tressel could not even win the Gateway. It is hard to win on the road. That being said, we need to learn to do it. Also, did anyone think a few of the big calls that hurt us were the wrong call. The targeting that was reversed was textbook targeting. The facemask on offense I didn't see. The league / refs already sent us an apology for allowing Northern Iowa to win on 2 illegal shifts that caused us to jump offsides on critical downs.
Great points!
WOW typical dumbassery on this board.. Last time I checked Tressel coached 4 years in the "Gateway" Won the national championship 97, National runner up 99 and got bounced in the 1st round in 2000. Who gives a sh** if you win a conference when you make the playoffs SMFH ! :o Heacock is the only coach to win the Gateway/MVFC crown and did it 2x's
YSU is a shell of itself, shame crap different year. The diehard fans that have followed YSU forever are even sick of this display of football.
Even the exciting roundball team sh** the bed when it counted last year LOL!!
Other than that GoooGuins and "leave no doubt"!
YSU is a shell of itself because the program was bled to death by bad coaching.
I happen to think Phillips is the best hire since Tressel. However, we no longer have the winning level revenue to support the best assistant coaches. We are definitely in a better spot that we were when Phillips arrived. Look at the current roster. His plan makes sense. We have to develop these kids, meaning we get kids that we have to build up in the weight room. He's trying to recruit 2 sport athletes with size. That's a great combination for the MVFC.
We need to stick to the plan. And the AD needs to stay out of placing any requirements on recruiting local kids (if that rumor is true). We need only local athletes that can add to the team so there won't be many of them with the population decline over the years.
Unless we were in the MAC in FBS, you have to stay in the MVFC. If you win the conference your chances at winning the title are >90%. The best of the MVFC is the measuring stick. If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. There's no trophy for making the playoffs only to not be good enough to win it all. We have a built-in reference point playing in this conference. We need to stick with this. You may not see the results immediately in wins and losses but we are still building depth. And we have some inexperienced coaches that also need time to develop. If you want the best assistant coaches and you don't have to develop them, then donate money to the program (which we once had due to success) to speed up the process.
Sometimes I don't know what people are seeing. We've got a a competitive team that would destroy 90% of the FCS but it's not yet good enough to win a title. We need a few more pieces and more depth and have to stop this local focus nonsense to get the best we can get and not placate to the locals.
The FCS selection process is unfair. It's been unfair for long time and we aren't the team that gets the benefit of the doubt. Ask USD if they would like a rematch. Ask UNI if they want to play us again. Nobody wants to deal with us because we hand out injuries and bloody noses from our physicality and our "will" to win. We make a lot of mistakes. We have coaching blinders from time to time (and sometimes in critical situations). That can be corrected. It's far more difficult to get talent and develop that talent. Jaleel McLaughlin helped us win games we shouldn't have won last year. Probably 2-3 late in games where he broke free. We are missing him this year, but our games are far more competitive on a play to play basis this year. People just don't see it because they have to have playoffs NOW damnit!. Realize that last year we started the season with Crenshaw. We could barely complete a pass. We are winning with some of Pelini's recruits that were decent players. Last year we got blown out at NDSU and had low scoring games where we had to come from behind to win. Last year Indiana State scored 42 points on YSU.
Do you think that would reasonably happen this year? I do not. ALL of our games this year have been competitive. There IS improvement. Are we where we want to be? No. But look at the freshman and sophomores in the roster that are coming up in the next couple of years.
Impatience can cause people to do foolish things. Who are you going to replace Phillips with? Who's going to do a better job? Are you willing to take that risk when weve seen so much improvement? Are players a problem in the community? Do they represent the university well? How about the fight they show for 4 quarters vs the way the kids gave up when under Pelini? There's a lot more there than meets the eye. Player and staff development are some of the most fundamental aspects of coaching. He's making progress with limited resources. You only see the top of the iceberg.
Tressel's early record at YSU.
1986: 2-9
1987: 8-4
1988: 4-7
1989: 9-4 playoff loss in second round.
1990: 11-1 playoff loss in first round.
Then we went on a run.
Phillips didn't really have the same opportunities because of COVID bullsh**.
Phillips record thus far (and he started with nothing because Pelini depleted the entire cupboard).
2020: 1-6 (actually played in spring of 2021 recruiting impacted due to stoppage of normal recruiting practices)
2021: 3-7 note short turnaround played in the fall 2021)
2022: 7-4
Are you willing to pull the plug this fast?
People are ridiculous.
Heacock's situation is far different. He started with a successful program and got a contract extension when Marcus Mason showed up. But as Paladin has been saying for years, and got censored from this site for expressing his opinions, he was correct. Heacock wàs not recruiting well enough to keep up with a changing FCS landscape in terms of talent.
Wolford reversed that. But Wolford was not mature enough to develop coaches at the time he arrived here. He was a great recruiter. Pelini took his recruits and won with Wolford's recruits. Phillips started with NOTHING and Phillis is competing in the MVFC when it's clearly the best conference in the FCS. It wasn't that way when Heacock was here and the MVFC had a rising power in NDSU when Wolford came in the scene. Pelini's record for worse because once Wolford's recruits left, his recruiting level was not good enough to keep up.
We are on an upward trajectory in the most difficult conference and that perspective cannot be overlooked.
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Ignore my last post. I've added to this one. Something happened to the board when I posted it and it got duplicated
YSU is a shell of itself because the program was bled to death by bad coaching.
I happen to think Phillips is the best hire since Tressel. However, we no longer have the winning level revenue to support the best assistant coaches. We are definitely in a better spot that we were when Phillips arrived. Look at the current roster. His plan makes sense. We have to develop these kids, meaning we get kids that we have to build up in the weight room. He's trying to recruit 2 sport athletes with size. That's a great combination for the MVFC.
We need to stick to the plan. And the AD needs to stay out of placing any requirements on recruiting local kids (if that rumor is true). We need only local athletes that can add to the team so there won't be many of them with the population decline over the years.
Unless we were in the MAC in FBS, you have to stay in the MVFC. If you win the conference your chances at winning the title are >90%. The best of the MVFC is the measuring stick. If you want to be the best, you have to beat the best. There's no trophy for making the playoffs only to not be good enough to win it all. We have a built-in reference point playing in this conference. We need to stick with this. You may not see the results immediately in wins and losses but we are still building depth. And we have some inexperienced coaches that also need time to develop. If you want the best assistant coaches and you don't have to develop them, then donate money to the program (which we once had due to success) to speed up the process.
Sometimes I don't know what people are seeing. We've got a a competitive team that would destroy 90% of the FCS but it's not yet good enough to win a title. We need a few more pieces and more depth and have to stop this local focus nonsense to get the best we can get and not placate to the locals.
The FCS selection process is unfair. It's been unfair for long time and we aren't the team that gets the benefit of the doubt. Ask USD if they would like a rematch. Ask UNI if they want to play us again. Nobody wants to deal with us because we hand out injuries and bloody noses from our physicality and our "will" to win. We make a lot of mistakes. We have coaching blunders from time to time (and sometimes in critical situations). That can be corrected. It's far more difficult to get talent and develop that talent. Jaleel McLaughlin helped us win games we shouldn't have won last year. Probably 2-3 late in games where he broke free. We are missing him this year, but our games are far more competitive on a play to play basis this year. People just don't see it because they have to have playoffs NOW damnit! Realize that last year we started the season with Crenshaw. We could barely complete a pass. We are winning with some of Pelini's recruits that were decent players. Last year we got blown out at NDSU and had low scoring games where we had to come from behind to win. Last year Indiana State scored 42 points on YSU. Do you think that would reasonably happen this year? I do not. ALL of our games this year have been competitive. There IS improvement. Are we where we want to be? No. But look at the freshman and sophomores in the roster that are coming up in the next couple of years. And next year, we get a lot of players coming back.
Impatience can cause people to do foolish things. Who are you going to replace Phillips with? Who's going to do a better job? Are you willing to take that risk when weve seen so much improvement? Are players a problem in the community? Do they represent the university well? How about the fight they show for 4 quarters vs the way the kids gave up when under Pelini? There's a lot more there than meets the eye. Player and staff development are some of the most fundamental aspects of coaching. He's making progress with limited resources. You only see the tip of the iceberg.
Tressel's early record at YSU.
1986: 2-9
1987: 8-4
1988: 4-7
1989: 9-4 playoff loss in second round.
1990: 11-1 playoff loss in first round.
Then we went on a run.
Phillips didn't really have the same opportunities because of COVID bullsh**.
Phillips record thus far (and he started with nothing because Pelini depleted the entire cupboard).
2020: 1-6 (actually played in spring of 2021 recruiting impacted due to stoppage of normal recruiting practices)
2021: 3-7 note short turnaround played in the fall 2021)
2022: 7-4
Are you willing to pull the plug this fast?
People are ridiculous.
Heacock's situation is far different. He started with a successful program and got a contract extension when Marcus Mason showed up. But as Paladin has been saying for years, and got censored from this site for expressing his opinions, he was correct. Heacock wàs not recruiting well enough to keep up with a changing FCS landscape in terms of talent.
Wolford reversed that. But Wolford was not mature enough to develop coaches at the time he arrived here. He was a great recruiter. Pelini took his recruits and won with Wolford's recruits. Phillips started with NOTHING and Phillips is competing in the MVFC during a time when it's clearly head and shoulders over all other conferences. Right now it's the best conference in the FCS. It wasn't that way when Heacock was here. The MVFC had a rising power in NDSU when Wolford came in the scene but it wasn't like it is today. Pelini's record got worse because once Wolford's recruits left, his recruiting level was not good enough to keep up.
We are on an upward trajectory in the most difficult conference and that perspective cannot be overlooked.
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I agree almost 100 percent with powers last point. I have been following for a long time but new to posting. Well said. Btw check out Youngstown penguin podcast if you haven't already. Go guins
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Btw, I am a big Tressel fan. I believe Tressel himself would tell you what I mentioned about talent. He's a great couch and a better person. Reasonable, patient. He loved his boys. Same thing as president. Not a huge OSU fan either. I'm not sure why anyone In Youngstown would view an OSU game as more important or more fun than a ysu game for someone from Youngstown not Columbus. Go guins
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Btw, I am a big Tressel fan. I believe Tressel himself would tell you what I mentioned about talent. He's a great couch and a better person. Reasonable, patient. He loved his boys. Same thing as president. Not a huge OSU fan either. I'm not sure why anyone In Youngstown would view an OSU game as more important or more fun than a ysu game for someone from Youngstown not Columbus. Go guins
2016 graduate here. Couldnt agree more. Had a campus job as a trashman while going to school. Tress stopped and spoke to us and had normal conversations multiple times. Can also remember when he spoke (along with other candidates) before becoming pres. Only one of them not to speak from podium but down on the floor amongst us. Not above. Also agree on the OSU - YSU comment. Those from Youngstown and have ties to YSU should care more about YSU than OSU. Never understood that.
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I agree almost 100 percent with powers last point. I have been following for a long time but new to posting. Well said. Btw check out Youngstown penguin podcast if you haven't already. Go guins
Where can we find the podcast?
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Search Youngstown Penguin Podcast on Spotify. They Also have a page to follow on Instagram. They do a nice job. They post a new podcast every Tuesday. Kurt Hess and Dan Kopp amoung others are on it.
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Okay guys. Time to cut out the commercials. We want to help everyone YSU that we can, but too many posts give people the wrong idea.
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This defense sucks so bad