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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: ValleyTalk on December 27, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
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Please add to this thread when you see additional recruits being offered or committing to YSU.
Recruits that committed under Eric Wolford:
James Wilson III
OG 6-5/285 Middletown, NJ
Zak Kennedy
K 6-0/160 Youngstown, OH
Gavin Wiggins
OT 6-4/270 Philadelphia, PA
Recruits that committed under Bo Pelini:
@1Malikl: Committed to play next year at Youngstown State University 🏈🏈🔴⚫️
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Malik-Leonard-159991
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4941435/malik-leonard
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A little short, but 245lbs.
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A little short, but 245lbs.
Put him at full back.
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Maybe I missed it but where on that site does it say he was recruited by Youngstown State?
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Maybe I missed it but where on that site does it say he was recruited by Youngstown State?
Nowhere, but he tweeted yesterday he committed to Youngstown State. Obviously he received an offer from one of the coaches somewhere along the line.
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Kid won't see the field.
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I don't see him playing at MLB, that's for sure. If this is the first Pelini recruit, I'm worried. The 3 kids for Wolf are all solid.
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I don't see him playing at MLB, that's for sure. If this is the first Pelini recruit, I'm worried. The 3 kids for Wolf are all solid.
Being not a single recruiting website shows any new offers since Pelini took over, I'm not quite sure this is a Pelini recruit. Could very well be a kid we offered under Wolf who didn't get the offers he would have hoped so committed to us. Also worth noting Wolf's assistants have been still recruiting even since Pelini was hired.
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kid is a dog on tape. Unless hes a preferred walk-on, whatever strength coach Pelini YSU has in the fall spring better be a miracle worker.
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Ryan Emans 6"1 180 WR Bowling Green H.S. committed to the penguins in early November. Only other offer was Morehead st.- Highlights available on Scouting ohio and Hudl.
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This kid is not a strong recruit. Recruiting is not looking good.
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Found out YSU setting up meeting with all 5 Hubbard Seniors to make offers if any may change there minds with there current offers. Its a good group maybe if they can get one or 2 would be a big boost to the program.
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Qb Nathan Mays from Urbana I think says YSU has offered him.
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Qb Nathan Mays from Urbana I think says YSU has offered him.
Yes, Montgomery offered him last year as a Junior. He had a good senior year and a record-setting HS career. Typical Montgomery QB ...if he was about 3-inches taller, we never would have gotten him. Not seeing where he had any bigger offers this year. Average almost 43-ypp as the teams punter. He run much more this past year. Typical concerns about a lack of upper-division play. (Urbana is D4)
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This kid is not a strong recruit. Recruiting is not looking good.
I don't know ....video looks real good. I know that it is only highlights, but something is there. I also like that RB/QB from Shaker Heights; I hope he commits. Zinni looks good as well and he committed.
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YSU has offered Dylan Mabin, a 6-1 DB from Nordonia. Looks a nice athlete.
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Mabin is a very good athlete, I live in the school district and have seen him play many games. Good pickup for the Penguins if its true, I will put my feelers out to find out if its true. There was a lot of talent on that team this year, good program.
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Mabin is a very good athlete, I live in the school district and have seen him play many games. Good pickup for the Penguins if its true, I will put my feelers out to find out if its true. There was a lot of talent on that team this year, good program.
Hey thanks!
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I can't imagine what these recruits must be thinking. A little more then 2 weeks away from National signing day and our staff is know where close to being finalized...NOT GOOD!!
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I can't imagine what these recruits must be thinking. A little more then 2 weeks away from National signing day and our staff is know where close to being finalized...NOT GOOD!!
I am not even slightly concerned ...we have very few scholarships left. Remember how large the class was a couple years ago? Way more than we had to offer. What did we pick up with graduation this year ...maybe a dozen (or less)? This year's graduates were the last of a very talented bunch, but not very large. So what if we need to play catch-up with some JUCO's and transfers? Most of the transfers come late. This is where I expect the name of Pelini to start paying dividends.
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Thanks for explaining that Dan. I'm just frustrated that we've lost so many recruits to the Patriot conference since the departure of Wolford. Not saying we would've landed them all but I watched film on them and most of the players could've had a immediate impact on our program. When recruits built a bond with head coaches and position coaches and then there's major changes they will more then likely move on to their 2nd option . The Juco and transfer options should be good and I look for a great class in 2016. Maybin would be a great addition if we could land him. The Qb that committed throws a nice ball and can really move well like Ricky, but has poor mechanics and will be a work in progress. The wr Emans is just not fast and explosive enough looks more like a 4.85 player then the 4.55 listed but shows some good vision in the open field and could contribute on special teams.
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New commit and new offer per Twitter.
New Commit:
Curtis Parks - 6'1", 210lb MLB from Cleveland Central Catholic:
@trendycurt5: I will be playing college football at Youngstown State University ! 🐧💯🏈 http://t.co/cjj2LRLRax
Previously had committed to Bryant:
http://247sports.com/Player/Curtis-Parks-49934
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/588096/curtis-parks
New Offer:
Darius Shackleford - 6'4", 185lb WR from Newark:
@Newark_Football: Congrats to @DeeShack3 picking up an offer from my alma mater Youngstown State! Go Guins. Go cats!
www.hudl.com/athlete/1660732/darius-shackleford
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Fever: If we are losing them to the Patriot League, then these are kids looking to further their education ...much more so than play ball. The ones that we lose to Delaware or other teams in the CAA will bother me. These are probably players. So far I have not seen much of that, but have no fear, the CAA really covers PA & the edge of Ohio.
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Like the potential in both.
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I agree with Footballfever, the QB Mays and WR Emans are problematic and not strong recruits. THESE 2 additional ones aren't overpowering either. I hope it gets better, much better, but not looking good so far. YSU will be nowhere near the top in the MVFC with these recruits.
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Keep in mind, we are still pretty young at most positions. The last 2 solid recruiting classes by Wolf are going to see more playing time and those kids have some serious potential especially on the defensive side of the ball. This class isn't going to make or break the program by any means....
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Did Pelini go to Hubbard? I heard he went to Springfield and Western Reserve out in Berlin Center for 2 also-the tall receiver and the huge OG. Sounds like he's looking local
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Did Pelini go to Hubbard? I heard he went to Springfield and Western Reserve out in Berlin Center for 2 also-the tall receiver and the huge OG. Sounds like he's looking local
Although they both played inferior competition in high school, if he can get them in and redshirt and develop their bodies I see some potential down the road.
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Malik Leonard won't see the field. Hopper at linebacker. Feet are slow. Hope we get better recruits than this kid.
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If Bo's answer is to recruit the Valley, then YSU is doomed to losing seasons. Take that to the bank.
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If Bo's answer is to recruit the Valley, then YSU is doomed to losing seasons. Take that to the bank.
I cannot find that smiley with a gun to it's head. What you say is true, if you read it literally. You infer that is his ONLY solution. Obviously we cannot find enough local talent to field a great team. You know as well as I do how attached the Valley is to HS ball. Clearly increasing local talent on the team (in the words of Martha Stewart) is a good thing. Hiring Pelini is also a good thing. All of these little items add up to increased attention, excitement and hopefully attendance.
It will be Pelini and his staff that make it happen "on the field". Do you think there is much out there, that we as fans know, that a coach, AD, or president that is former coach/AD does not? At this point, the only thing that you can "take to the bank" are the receipts from a first-home game sell-out. After that, the team will bring the fans back for more.
Can you not just say something similar to the fact that YSU does not get top talent locally and will obviously still need to recruit nationally? This is why you draw such criticism from people on the board Paladin. It is the way you package your message
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Keep in mind, we are still pretty young at most positions. The last 2 solid recruiting classes by Wolf are going to see more playing time and those kids have some serious potential especially on the defensive side of the ball. This class isn't going to make or break the program by any means....
I will agree that this year's class won't make or break the program and thankfully it's small. When I see a linebacker back out of his only offer from a Northeast conference school and commit to the penguins I find that concerning. When I see player's committing here without any other offers including a Division 2 offer I find that concerning. When i see players picking up their first offer from us two weeks out from National signing day that concerns me as well. I really don't care how close we are in proximity to any other mac school or any other F.C.S. conference within a 500 mile radius. We are part of the best conference in the nation that is ranked ahead of several F.B.S. conferences and we need to start recruiting that way. The majority of the recruits we bring in here should have at least a minimum of 5 F.C.S. offers. BO AND THE STAFF HE DOES HAVE ARE IN DESPERATION MODE AND IT SHOWS
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Increasing "local" talent here is NOT a good thing unless they are B1G caliber players and we are not getting those. Even the MAC players of recent years have not been very good and don't pan out well in the MVFC. There was a Mooney safety that got picked on quite often over these past few years. YSU desparately needs national players, especially from Fla., Calif., and other Southern states and fewer from the Valley. This class looks awful so far. Another back to back poor recruiting class will bring Paladin to predicting losing seasons. That's how I first made the first predictions years ago of back to back losing seasons when everyone thought all was well and I was nuts.
BTW, in Wolf first few months here , he recruited , ALMOST alone, and brought in a top class. Pelini never carried a "recruiting" reputation and its showing.
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Paladin is right. Pelini couldn't draw anybody to Nebraska. The Cornhuskers were a D-II team at best. ;)
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Paladin has just nailed it and nothing else really needs said !! Wolf had watched the likes of N.D.S.U. beat up on the B.C.S. programs and he made up his mind that he had to recruit B.C.S. caliber athletes that B.C.S.school's thought weren't quite good enough in order to compete for a conference championship. If it took going national that's what he did. Times have changed if you get a local kid that is borderline F.B.S-F.C.S. they want to get away from home for a little breathing room and the hometown aspect is irrelevant. Case and point the local lineman who choose Lehigh. And as far as your local 3 and 4 star recruits you can forget about that
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Mabin is the only decent looking recruit so far and then you look at Leonard and just shake your head. Its mind boggling. How was an offer even extended to him ? D-I ? Please !!
I don't see or hear much in recruiting circles about YSU football. NLOID fast approaching.
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Like I said... The talent is here. Young talent on defense that redshirted last year especially in the secondary. Time for Bo to develop it and let it shine.
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YSU has offered the following:
LaMont Ragland: 6-1, 270 DT from Trotwood-Madison
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4719301/lamont-ragland
Adam Wollet: 6-1, 225 LB from Poland: School's all time leading tackler.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1764749/adam-wollet
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Last year's class only had 2 guys from the Valley. That punter from Fitch that went to our camp & an O-lineman (would make a better TE or d-lineman) from Neshanock. In 2013, Wolf recruited another pair ...McFadden and Morosa. In 2012, he recruited just 1. That is a total of 5 kids recruited from the Valley in 3-years. That is an issue ...and it is not with the talent being recruited. So stop complaining, if Pelini were to recruit this entire class from the Valley, it could do nothing but help. The three tailgate tents to my west do nothing but watch the TV and talk HS games. They used to go in and watch these kids.
Wolf did his due diligence and offered the "A-list" locals, but we are not going to get those (at least as frosh and A-list status). Then he went down to Florida and got a "bunch" of athletes ...but few players. Since we do not have many openings, I am excited to see the local flavor. Let's hope we see some LOI's.
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The numbers on both kids ( Ragland & Wollet) are inflated. Neither are as tall or as heavy. Both show an active motor and some skills. But they both will be neutralized against bigger, faster players. Trotwood had a stud team who overpowered everyone and schemes allowed Ragland to get little attention to block him. College will eat him up. Wollet probably a special teamer. Undersized for the middle. Both appear to be good athletes but level of play ( D-I) is a question mark.
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I love Paladins analysis on Ragland and Wollett...too small...too light...not tall enough...cant play at our level...yeah, right now they cant but in 2 yearsthey will no longer be boys...theyll be men with 2 years of maturation...all i know is both come from solid, winning programs and in Wolletts case the bloodlines are there...I would take both in a heartbeat...the results will bear out 2 years from now and if both are on the 2 deep depth chart then they will have been worth it
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Avery Larkin, a 5-11 DB from Cincinnati La Salle has committed to YSU. Had a pick 6 in the D2 title game against Nordonia.
Avery Larkin @avery_larkin · 42m 42 minutes ago
I have chosen Youngstown State University to be the place where I will further my education and football career. #YSU
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1198523/highlights/173983376
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Avery Larkin, a 5-11 DB from Cincinnati La Salle has committed to YSU. Had a pick 6 in the D2 title game against Nordonia.
Avery Larkin @avery_larkin · 42m 42 minutes ago
I have chosen Youngstown State University to be the place where I will further my education and football career. #YSU
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1198523/highlights/173983376
wow great program. A little short for DB's these days, but taller than what we have and plays much taller, but good speed and an eye for the ball (perhaps too much, QBs are not that bad at our level) ...sounds like a great problem to have and just what we need. Welcome aboard Avery!!
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Larkin is a good one and comes from an athletic family ( Uncle was Barry Larkin of the Reds). Also played on the best team in the GCL South( Elder, St. X, Moeller), LaSalle, and he was one of the reasons why. Good closing speed, good hips and very athletic playing the ball. Great hands. Wondered where he was going to go to school and very surprised he is coming here.
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Larkin is a good one and comes from an athletic family ( Uncle was Barry Larkin of the Reds). Also played on the best team in the GCL South( Elder, St. X, Moeller), LaSalle, and he was one of the reasons why. Good closing speed, good hips and very athletic playing the ball. Great hands. Wondered where he was going to go to school and very surprised he is coming here.
I wonder if he can bring us Jeremy :) Not sure if they are brothers or cousins.
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Isiah Scott of Hubbard was offered to play WR for the penguins today. Very good athlete and would be a good pick if he commits.
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Isiah Scott of Hubbard was offered to play WR for the penguins today. Very good athlete and would be a good pick if he commits.
Was wondering where he was going to end up..... Great athlete, just not as great as his brother.
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I'm told Scott has an offer from Kentucky and may get one from Pitt as well.
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Larkin is a good one and comes from an athletic family ( Uncle was Barry Larkin of the Reds). Also played on the best team in the GCL South( Elder, St. X, Moeller), LaSalle, and he was one of the reasons why. Good closing speed, good hips and very athletic playing the ball. Great hands. Wondered where he was going to go to school and very surprised he is coming here.
Good analysis. .He is definitely a top 100 corner Nationally. .I'm sure he had several offers including F.B.S. ones. Great addition for Y.S.U.
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I'm told Scott has an offer from Kentucky and may get one from Pitt as well.
and maybe also West Virginia from what I'm hearing.
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I'm told Scott has an offer from Kentucky and may get one from Pitt as well.
Cincinnati also I believe.
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How about Alabama or Ohio State? Hard to believe this Scott kid is getting all these offers.
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How about Alabama or Ohio State? Hard to believe this Scott kid is getting all these offers.
Either of those two would really surprise me with him having a 2star rating--although J.J.Watt was also 2star. 8)
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YSU has offered Cathedral Prep RB DeAngelo Malone.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3969398/deangelo-malone
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I really like the WR Darius Shackleford from Newark. He's a great route runner and downfield blocker with a great set of hands. Also is a Very physical and athletic kid that loves to go up and get the football. Has great instincts for blocking punts and field goals as well. I hope he comes here..just curious does anyone know if he has any other offers? And if not why?
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Malone is on the small side at 5'10, 178 but shows good speed, great field vision, nice balance, some power for his size and really cuts on a dime. Very shifty. Reminds me of Marcus Mason. I didn't find much on him for recruiting which might be a sign of weak academics. Size will also scare D-I away. He appears to be worth the gamble if academics are O.K.
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Fever -- Shackleford is a basketball star and some concern if he is going to play FB or basketball. Newark basketball is usually pretty good.
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YSU has offered Dylan Mabin, a 6-1 DB from Nordonia. Looks a nice athlete.
YSU coaching staff was at Nordonia high school yesterday talking to Mayben and spent some time talking to some of the other players. His brother was a star at North Western and is on Atlanta Falcons practice squad.
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I'm told Scott has an offer from Kentucky and may get one from Pitt as well.
Cincinnati also I believe.
Cincy has pulled back there offer from Isiah and most of the other bigger programs are after LJ and are offering the brothers both full rides like PITT. LJ is going to MSU and that is solid. Isiah is the type of kid that needs to be at a smaller school and closer to home. YSU has a good chance of getting him to sign, he is a very good WR.
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Malone is on the small side at 5'10, 178 but shows good speed, great field vision, nice balance, some power for his size and really cuts on a dime. Very shifty. Reminds me of Marcus Mason. I didn't find much on him for recruiting which might be a sign of weak academics. Size will also scare D-I away. He appears to be worth the gamble if academics are O.K.
I believe he missed a lot of time this year with injuries so maybe that's why.
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Hmm interesting to hear about Scott. Maybe we do have a shot at him? Would be a nice WR if he develops nicely.
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Hmm interesting to hear about Scott. Maybe we do have a shot at him? Would be a nice WR if he develops nicely.
Would be nice but I heard Kentucky all year long. He does have nice hands.
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@BCT_AChiappazzi: Per coach Bob Palko, West Allegheny LB Armand Dellovade has committed to Youngstown State. #timesfb
@Connelly_Vindy: Sounds like Youngstown State is a real possibility for Hubbard WR/DB Isiah Scott. Still up in the air with nearly two weeks until NSD. #YSU
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Dellovade, a little undersized but seems to have good football instincs... Good solid commit.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1513976/highlights/167698380
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http://www.timesonline.com/sports/high_school/football/west-allegheny-s-dellovade-headed-to-youngstown-state/article_5ba1d65e-a29a-11e4-baf3-2bc51d94d726.html?mode=jqm
Article just out on Dellovade.
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Dellovade had no D-I offers. On the small side at 5'11, 215. West had a stud team and loaded with FCS/ D-II players. He has some skills and is active but at his size will get neutralized here. Special teams player.
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Another commit!
@DeeShack3: I'm glad to announce that I've officially committed to play football at Youngstown State University! I can't thank God enough! 🙏🏈🔥 #GoYSU --- Shackleford
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I like it. Tall kid, let him redshirt and grow into his body. If he grows too much you can always move him to TE
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Another commit!
@DeeShack3: I'm glad to announce that I've officially committed to play football at Youngstown State University! I can't thank God enough! #GoYSU --- Shackleford
Awesome!!
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Another commit!
@DeeShack3: I'm glad to announce that I've officially committed to play football at Youngstown State University! I can't thank God enough! 🙏🏈🔥 #GoYSU --- Shackleford
Y.S.U. just improved their program a great deal by landing this player. Big play ability with a great vertical and speed. Probably a legit 4.5 kid and closer to 200 pounds. The combination of Wells to Shackleford will be exciting to watch!
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Malone has committed. Will play DB at YSU.
CP Football @PrepRamblers · 2h 2 hours ago
Congratulations to DeAngelo Malone for committing to continue his playing career at @youngstownstate under new Head Coach @BoPelini.
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Kyle Hegedus 5"10 180 FS SS from Lakewood St. Edwards has just committed to the Penguins. 135 tackles and 4 Int's in his Senior season for state Champs Ed's..Highlights available on Hudl
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Two state champions from two powerhouses in our secondary in Larkin and now Hegedus. Neither has huge size which may have kept larger schools from recruiting them, but they certainly have played against the best competition in the state and region which will have prepared them for this level.
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Check out Hegedus against Glenville. Good hitter. Haven't seen much on his cover skills however. And is terribly small for a S.
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Missed tackles, sheding blocks and form tackling was not a strength the defense the last few years.... Regardless of size, it appears from the videos that this a strength of the defensive recruits....
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Although Dellovade had no other notable offers he did have interest from the following according to 247 Sports: Akron, Cincy, JMU and Michigan State...
http://247sports.com/Player/Armand-Dellovade-35419
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Coverage skills was something I was looking for from Hegedus as well. He is definitely a tough and physical kid with good speed and strength. Shows the ability to shed off blockers quickly without giving up much ground and tackles with really good form..likes to get after it and is a heavy hitter. I would not hesitate to let him return punts and cover kicks..He could be a impact player sooner then later..plays much bigger then his listed weight of 180..we need more blue collar kids like him
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I agree, Fever. Highlites I saw was limited to hitting on run support and not a clue what his cover skills are. St. E listed him at 5'10 but not sure he is that big which is a concern for a S vs a tall WR or big TE he might have to cover. Quick or good speed doesn't stop a size mismatch however. Could be good Special teams player.
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Our safety for the previous 4 years was listed at 6'0" and couldnt cover or tackle. So, if this kid can tackle we are further ahead...
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@D1Cash Just Committed to Youngstown State University a great program on the rise🏈#penguins http://t.co/58q1kzg1nZ
Casimier Mitchell Jr. from Shaker Heights:
http://scoutingohio.com/index.php/view-profile.html?task=userProfile&user=12490
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/697124/highlights/207416378
This kid can hit on defense.
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Other than the kid from Newark looks like we are recruiting undersized football players u can have the all the football IQ you want that won't cut against the Bison and other top teams, we saw with#8 he had all the football IQ in the world but he would go make a play and physically get beat up and swatted away like a fly. Very disappointed so far but we got a late start and this year will be a free pass.
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Other than the kid from Newark looks like we are recruiting undersized football players u can have the all the football IQ you want that won't cut against the Bison and other top teams, we saw with#8 he had all the football IQ in the world but he would go make a play and physically get beat up and swatted away like a fly. Very disappointed so far but we got a late start and this year will be a free pass.
Agreed..like Paladin said the Safety from Ed's is maybe 5"9 every other safety in the Missouri is 6"0-6"2 and the tight ends for example at N.D.S. are 6"5 and 6"6 respectively. The backers we're bringing in are to short as well and there will be mismatch problems there as well ..I have know idea what they plan to do with Mitchell from Shaker Heights I'll leave it at that
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Other than the kid from Newark looks like we are recruiting undersized football players u can have the all the football IQ you want that won't cut against the Bison and other top teams, we saw with#8 he had all the football IQ in the world but he would go make a play and physically get beat up and swatted away like a fly. Very disappointed so far but we got a late start and this year will be a free pass.
Wolf always recruited the kids with all the measurables, but hardly any football IQ. Time to change it around.
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For what its worth, NDSU has (2) 6'0" Linebackers, 5'10" Corner but a 6'1" Safety commit. Im not comparing anything other than size and weight. Here is the link.
http://ndsu.247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/Commits
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Most of Bo's recruits seem to be a bit undersized, maybe a step too slow but they sure like look solid football players to me. I'm excited!
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05 -- they look like solid football players because they are. But the rub is a good 5'9 player loses out to a good 6'2 player most of the time. I'm not prepared to give Bo a pass because Wolf was in the same position and recruited a top notch class almost single handed his first class. I'd also hold off until NLOID to compare other MVFC teams recruits. I think you'll find we are behind the 8ball. The MVFC recruits VERY well. Bo will have Wolf's players who are size wise and ability level still competitive in the MVFC.
Fever has stated it well -- you should look for mismatch problems in this class. And if the next class doesn't improve, it will be downhill fast. Time yet for more recruits. Any one have a number of schollies available this year ?
And as for Mitchell, I got to agree with you Fever. Don't know what they want there . We are already deep at RB and I'm not seeing him as much help elsewhere. I might be missing something. One thing is for sure, making friends in Cleveland with Ed's, Iggy, etc and looking at big public school players there should turn up some players. Contacts established for future recruiting.
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Mitchell was recruited to play OLB. Hence the reason why I said he could hit. He was not recruited to play RB per his Twitter account.
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05 -- they look like solid football players because they are. But the rub is a good 5'9 player loses out to a good 6'2 player most of the time. I'm not prepared to give Bo a pass because Wolf was in the same position and recruited a top notch class almost single handed his first class. I'd also hold off until NLOID to compare other MVFC teams recruits. I think you'll find we are behind the 8ball. The MVFC recruits VERY well. Bo will have Wolf's players who are size wise and ability level still competitive in the MVFC.
Fever has stated it well -- you should look for mismatch problems in this class. And if the next class doesn't improve, it will be downhill fast. Time yet for more recruits. Any one have a number of schollies available this year ?
And as for Mitchell, I got to agree with you Fever. Don't know what they want there . We are already deep at RB and I'm not seeing him as much help elsewhere. I might be missing something. One thing is for sure, making friends in Cleveland with Ed's, Iggy, etc and looking at big public school players there should turn up some players. Contacts established for future recruiting.
I agree, but how many in that "great" recruiting class actually panned out? It's hit and miss on both sides. You get the athletic freaks who look good in shorts and t shirts, but have trouble actually playing football, and then you have the kids who are couple inches short or too slow, but are 4 year starters because they have the football IQ. Time to see if Bo's plan can work.
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05- the last time we saw players too short or too slow, Heacock was doing the recruiting and it went downhill fast. Heacock had players with FB IQs, but they got exposed playing against bigger and faster players. We had good D coaching too. Most of you guys still don't get it -- there was nothing wrong with the players Wolf was bringing in. They were fast, had size and playing abilities. We had a coaching problem with schemes and adjustments.
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05- the last time we saw players too short or too slow, Heacock was doing the recruiting and it went downhill fast. Heacock had players with FB IQs, but they got exposed playing against bigger and faster players. We had good D coaching too. Most of you guys still don't get it -- there was nothing wrong with the players Wolf was bringing in. They were fast, had size and playing abilities. We had a coaching problem with schemes and adjustments.
Is that what you see now?
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Now ? That implies a change.
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London Fletcher wasnt tall enough or heavy enough either....james Laurenitas wasnt heavy enough coming out of high school...Sam Mills was too short to play middle linebacker...why is everyone over reacting to size...it doesnt take a genius or hours of film study to figure out if a kid is tough enough to play ball...I hate the Steelers but how the heck did Palomalu last as long as he did in the draft? How about Chris Spielman? Ill tell you how...cuz guys like Paladin though they were too small and too slow to play...lets judge these kids after they get get here not before
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Most of Bo's recruits seem to be a bit undersized, maybe a step too slow but they sure like look solid football players to me. I'm excited!
Could not agree more. If they were a half-step faster, 2-4 inches taller ...they would not be here. Wolf was taking as many leftovers as Pelini will. Pelini has the name going for him. Remember, when we were winning championships, we had something that would sway a recruit away from Akron or Kent; since we no longer have this, the name "Pelini" is going to mean a great deal more to many recruits.
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Now ? That implies a change.
The recruits that Pelini is getting =Heacock recruits?
The way I understand it is that Wolf brought good D1 athletes but couldn't coach them. Bo is proven here maybe he can coach up what we already have. The cupboard is not bare.
However, the new recruits appear to be too small so I am asking if you think Bo's recruits are about equal to Heacock's...........in your opinion............or are Bo's closer to Wolford's recruits except slightly smaller. I remember you saying that Heacock's recruits were not D1 athletes.
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Hold that thought. I assure we will be having a conversation about it in a few short years. ;D
In my opinion, Wolf brought in far better athletes than Heacock did. And too early to tell if Bo's are close to Wolf's since recruiting isn't over with yet. Yes, they are small. Yes some have limited abilities. So far, it looks like Bo's recruits are closer to Heacock's than Wolf's . But better than what Heacock dragged in.
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I think what were talking about here is group on group match-up problems. Could you imagine a group of 5"10 - 6"0 linebackers trying to find Ruiz and Webb behind are offensive line? It would be next to impossible..and it would also be hard to pickup a 6"5 quarterback in the passing lane when dropping back in coverage. Pelini to this point has recruited smart, tough and well coached players..That is very evident on film..the only problem is we play in a conference where size matters a great deal. Any other F.C.S. conference in the nation you can get away with it but not this one. Remember the teams we play beat up on F.B.S and B.C.S programs on a regular basis..there is a reason why !!
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Yep, Fever, they aren't short with high FB IQs,..... ;D ;D ;D
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all I know is that offense under Wolf was never our problem...and most of our returning talent is on that side of the ball along with our coordinator. Bo will coach up our defense instead of the revolving door of coordinators we've had the past 5 years. barring major injuries, I see no reason why we cannot make the playoffs. We dont have to depend on incoming talent this year except for Moss, hence no JC kids that I see. I believe the most critical incoming talent must be in the kicking game...I hope we dont miss Cejudo as much as I think we might. Consider this also...Bo might take a kid that he knows might never make the 2 deep depth chart just to make inroads at a particular school. St Ignatius for example...he can afford to do that because our returning talent is pretty darn good
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I see we have the following recruits:
James Wilson
Zak Kennedy
Gavin Wiggins
Malik Leonard
Ryan Emans
Curtis Parks
Darius Shackleford
Lamont Ragland
Adam Wollet
Avery Larken
Armand Dellovade
DeAangelo Malone
Kyle Hegedus
Casimier Mitchell
WELCOME to YSU!!
Did I miss any? How many do we have remaining to recruit?
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Joey Davidson 6"5 230 TE from North Royalton has just committed to the penguins. From what I can see looks like a pretty solid player. Has a nice release off the line and does a good job finding soft spots in coverage. His run blocking is weak..looks like we have a Northern Ohio connection going on here
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Hold that thought. I assure we will be having a conversation about it in a few short years. ;D
In my opinion, Wolf brought in far better athletes than Heacock did. And too early to tell if Bo's are close to Wolf's since recruiting isn't over with yet. Yes, they are small. Yes some have limited abilities. So far, it looks like Bo's recruits are closer to Heacock's than Wolf's . But better than what Heacock dragged in.
I'll take a smaller player who can tackle over a bigger one who can't any day.
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Davidson has very good hands and should be a good receiver. However, despite his size , he does not appear to be very strong. Run blocking is weak. Needs to be put on a weight program and probably redshirt. He was also taken down too easily by smaller players after the catch. On the down side , YSU hasn't thrown much to the TE and we have some here already with good hands but little production.
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I hope they get my cousin. He is a stud.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jan/26/springfields-schuler-nabs-giampetro-awar/?newswatch
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Zak Kennedy is an early admit to YSU for the spring semester and will be available for spring practices
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I hope they get my cousin. He is a stud.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jan/26/springfields-schuler-nabs-giampetro-awar/?newswatch
He is a very good player on each side of the football. Relentless with a high motor..very good run blocker and a great set of hands
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I hope they get my cousin. He is a stud.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jan/26/springfields-schuler-nabs-giampetro-awar/?newswatch
Nothing against Davidson but Schuler is a much better all around TE that is a solid 240. I seriously doubt if they would take 2 TE's in this class so they would probably be thinking DE for Schuler..Power what exactly is the scoop on your cousin? Just curious
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Wolf's problem was recruiting too many athletes and not enough football players on the defensive side of the ball.
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Donovan McWilson, out of Cardinal Mooney is on the team here at YSU. I know he graduated last year, not sure if he played football anywhere, he was being looked at by Kentucky along with some MAC schools... His Hudl account along with his twitter and instagram account say he is on the team, can anybody confirm? Guessing he will play WR.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3576312/donovan-mcwilson
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Donovan McWilson, out of Cardinal Mooney is on the team here at YSU. I know he graduated last year, not sure if he played football anywhere, he was being looked at by Kentucky along with some MAC schools... His Hudl account along with his twitter and instagram account say he is on the team, can anybody confirm? Guessing he will play WR.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3576312/donovan-mcwilson
Donovan walked onto the team in the fall, did not see any playing time other than practice squad reps
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I hope they get my cousin. He is a stud.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jan/26/springfields-schuler-nabs-giampetro-awar/?newswatch
Nothing against Davidson but Schuler is a much better all around TE that is a solid 240. I seriously doubt if they would take 2 TE's in this class so they would probably be thinking DE for Schuler..Power what exactly is the scoop on your cousin? Just curious
I heard that Wolford was recruiting him for OT or TE depending on how much weight he gained. Things went cold for a while when Wolford was fired. Last I had heard he was undecided. I got confirmation that he is going to YSU. He should be a good one. I think he is bigger and faster than his brothers and they were pretty good too. May not even have to use an athletic scholarship on him either...........he has a 4.0 GPA maybe get an academic scholarship, however, I am not sure how all that works I am just throwing out my $.02. By the way I think he is closer to 255 lbs. I am glad he is going to YSU. First one in his family.
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I see we have the following recruits:
James Wilson
Zak Kennedy
Gavin Wiggins
Malik Leonard
Ryan Emans
Curtis Parks
Darius Shackleford
Lamont Ragland
Adam Wollet
Avery Larken
Armand Dellovade
DeAangelo Malone
Kyle Hegedus
Casimier Mitchell
WELCOME to YSU!!
Did I miss any? How many do we have remaining to recruit?
Good list and great question. This is more than we lost; so I wonder who is not returning? Spring roster will will be interesting. It is closer than you think!!
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I see we have the following recruits:
James Wilson
Zak Kennedy
Gavin Wiggins
Malik Leonard
Ryan Emans
Curtis Parks
Darius Shackleford
Lamont Ragland
Adam Wollet
Avery Larken
Armand Dellovade
DeAangelo Malone
Kyle Hegedus
Casimier Mitchell
WELCOME to YSU!!
Did I miss any? How many do we have remaining to recruit?
Good list and great question. This is more than we lost; so I wonder who is not returning? Spring roster will will be interesting. It is closer than you think!!
Didn't QB Nathan Mays commit?
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Fan:
I know Nathan Mays has been offered, but I haven't been able to confirmed he accepted. There is probably several others who have been offered, but are weighing their time & offers. They still have 8 days before the National signing day.
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Poland LB Adam Wollet has committed to Robert Morris a 2015 opponent of ours
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Poland LB Adam Wollet has committed to Robert Morris a 2015 opponent of ours
Robert Morris........and thee advantage is what?
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Poland LB Adam Wollet has committed to Robert Morris a 2015 opponent of ours
Robert Morris........and thee advantage is what?
Any number of things. He may not see an opening soon here. Or, maybe we were not offering a full-scholarship. Also a chance to be away from home. Etc.
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Fever == whats your opinion on Wollet. No ne wants to read mine.
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Fever == whats your opinion on Wollet. No ne wants to read mine.
What makes you think anyone wants to read mine ? It just gets you in trouble. I'm still trying to gather information but it's my understanding the Head coach for Robert Morris was fired yesterday. So this kid Wollet probably respected the assistant coaching staff their. RESPECT WITH RECRUITS THESE DAYS DOES GO ALONG WAY!! 😉
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I think I'm wrong with the head coach being fired..it was a different Robert Morris..sorry for the confusion
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Fever == whats your opinion on Wollet. No ne wants to read mine.
I do--we will probably see eye to eye on it --I honestly have never seen him play and I don't have anything against athletes that have played for Poland but the ones that came here seemed to all follow the same route.
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I think I'm wrong with the head coach being fired..it was a different Robert Morris..sorry for the confusion
Their coach is a very good catch for RMU and just took over last year as HC. They hired John Banaszak, for all you "steel curtain" guys. He was brought in as Assistant, stayed for 10-years ...told he was taking over for 20-year coach and trained. RMU is a good program with play-off history. Although I was just reviewing their roster and this kid is not playing at LB any time soon, they (RMU) are 6-deep already.
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you may DavedS, but it should be obvious why he is going to RMU. But that's a step down from YSU but fits his abilities. You also make the point about Poland athletes who don't do well here at all. Agreed. Un like Fan, I see little competition at RMU and a chance to play early . The RMU LBs are undersized where he will fit in well. This is a case of a Valley athlete we shouldn't have recruited, lost to a weaker program that we won't miss and saves what would have been a wasted schollie.. Check out the RMU roster................
RMU went 1-10 last year. And in the weak, weak NEC. That will be a weenie game for YSU. I would bet he plays as a Frosh against YSU.
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you may DavedS, but it should be obvious why he is going to RMU. But that's a step down from YSU but fits his abilities. You also make the point about Poland athletes who don't do well here at all. Agreed. Un like Fan, I see little competition at RMU and a chance to play early . The RMU LBs are undersized where he will fit in well. This is a case of a Valley athlete we shouldn't have recruited, lost to a weaker program that we won't miss and saves what would have been a wasted schollie.. Check out the RMU roster................
RMU went 1-10 last year. And in the weak, weak NEC. That will be a weenie game for YSU. I would bet he plays as a Frosh against YSU.
What do you think about Mark Schuler? Just curious want an honest opinion.
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Bo Pelini was at the Notre Dame-Duke men's basketball game tonight. Had an in home visit with Inoke Moala, a TE/OLB from Penn high school in Indiana. He is currently committed to Indiana State but looks like Bo is trying to snatch him away.
Small Nokes @InokeMoala · 31m 31 minutes ago
Great meeting Coach Bo Pelini tonight! Great experience and a blessing to have received an offer from Youngstown St.
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Schuler looked like a strong blocker. Good feet. Big frame. I'd look at what Wolf saw -- move him to OT, bulk him up and play in the OL. Redshirt. Not impressed with his speed as a TE but he would be a quick T. Play at 290-300.
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Highlights for Moala:
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1186871/inoke-moala
Was also offered a PWO at Indiana.
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Moala -- now there is a TE ( or OLB). I'd feel comfortable playing him at either position. Strong blocker ( pancake blocks), great feet, good speed, great hands and played for a quality program against very good competition. Appears to be very strong. This one I want on the Paladin team.................
P.S. -- I'll say he's strong , Squats 500 and benches 265. From Tonga !
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Moala -- now there is a TE ( or OLB). I'd feel comfortable playing him at either position. Strong blocker ( pancake blocks), great feet, good speed, great hands and played for a quality program against very good competition. Appears to be very strong. This one I want on the Paladin team.................
P.S. -- I'll say he's strong , Squats 500 and benches 265. From Tonga !
I agree, a little short maybe for a TE, listed at 6-3, more like 6-2? But has all the skills definitely. Would be nice to pry him away from Indiana State and a fellow MVFC member!
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Moala being short is the ONLY reason he doesn't have major offers. Is currently the right size for OLB and only 20-30 lbs away from being a TE who blocks well or catches passes at I-AA. He is a potential All Star at this level.
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Schuler looked like a strong blocker. Good feet. Big frame. I'd look at what Wolf saw -- move him to OT, bulk him up and play in the OL. Redshirt. Not impressed with his speed as a TE but he would be a quick T. Play at 290-300.
Not sure he could be that big. What about moving over to defense?
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Maybe Bo can snag an ND transfer or two while he is in beautiful South Bend.
Also, nice read on Moala from earlier last year:
http://www.ndinsider.com/recruiting/notre-dame-eyeing-penn-s-moala/article_828775e0-5611-5975-9679-126ed7228187.html
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Thoughts : Wollet would've been a wasted scholarship just like Paladin said. Didn't show the athleticism needed to cover the entire field. Was hiding something on film-unblocked on every play. Know plugging ,scraping , shedding blocks, reading misdirection,dropping in coverage things I look for. Still it will turn some heads a local kid with 7 FCS offers with a chance to play for Bo heading to the Northeast conference and a 1-10 program from a year ago. I'm happy with how we sit at the backer position. We have 3 underclassmen at the TE position on the current roster. The way that Bo is aggressively recruiting TE"s tells me they will become a big part of the offense in years to come. Moala is a great football player know doubt about it - love the fact we're going in I.S.U.'s backyard at the last minute. I think Shuler is a great player as well. Both could play defense without a question. Seeing that we have a TE commit in Davidson that I'm just not high on things remain unclear at this time
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You nailed it again, Fever. Moala is head and shoulders better than commit Davidson. Seems odd how they are approaching recruiting -- lots of guys that should have been passed over but were offered and late zeroing in on real players that are far better than we offered.
And, seems he has abandoned Florida and that will be a tragic mistake.
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you may DavedS, but it should be obvious why he is going to RMU. But that's a step down from YSU but fits his abilities. You also make the point about Poland athletes who don't do well here at all. Agreed. Un like Fan, I see little competition at RMU and a chance to play early . The RMU LBs are undersized where he will fit in well. This is a case of a Valley athlete we shouldn't have recruited, lost to a weaker program that we won't miss and saves what would have been a wasted schollie.. Check out the RMU roster................
RMU went 1-10 last year. And in the weak, weak NEC. That will be a weenie game for YSU. I would bet he plays as a Frosh against YSU.
Although we don't always see eye to eye I believe you hit the nail on the head totally with this assessment.
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You nailed it again, Fever. Moala is head and shoulders better than commit Davidson. Seems odd how they are approaching recruiting -- lots of guys that should have been passed over but were offered and late zeroing in on real players that are far better than we offered.
And, seems he has abandoned Florida and that will be a tragic mistake.
Yep- The recruiting process has been bizarre. Honestly it's just what I expected. FAN had made the comment that Pelini was getting the leftover's just as Wolford did. The only difference here is Wolford wasn't getting the leftovers Pelini has to this point for the most part. Everyone thought top recruits would come to Bo because of the name..simply put this hasn't been the case so there must be a reason why. I like the fact he has planted the seeds with local programs such as St.Edwards that's very important. But deep down Bo knows things haven't gone as planned and it's go time for him. Florida is important just ask N.D.S. and the loss of Shane Dixon to Y.S.U.
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Malkin Leonard has changed his commitment from YSU, to Notre Dame College (D2)
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Malkin Leonard has changed his commitment from YSU, to Notre Dame College (D2)
GOOD!!
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Not sure if this was stated but Mabin from Nordonia has committed to Fordham.
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That is a loss. Big loss. Mabin is a player. And, again, I agree, Fever. Why Leonard was even offered speaks poorly of YSU recruiting.
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^^^^^ Agree 110% ..Not Good !!
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Hello. I am (obviously) a new member to this board. I am actually a BIG Ohio state fan but I came to this board because I live in Urbana and you guys are getting Nathan Mays so I wanted to keep up with him from real ysu fans. I want be very active but I do want to hear what you guys think of him. Yes, he will be committing to ysu if you didn't know yet. In my opinion, he will be a great QB and a good fit in pelini's system. I'm excited to follow him through his college and (hopefully) pro-career.
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Wolf and Bricillo did a great job recruiting, we have (2) top rated O-linemen committed; James Wilson from NJ and Gavin Wiggins from Eastern PA. Wilson had 11 other FBS offers including Division I Old Dominion, and Wiggins had at least 3 offers. I have seen the film on these two, a great addition to the Offense, I cannot wait to see them play.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1231966/james-wilson
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1818890/gavin-wiggins
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That is a loss. Big loss. Mabin is a player. And, again, I agree, Fever. Why Leonard was even offered speaks poorly of YSU recruiting.
I agree. Mabin would have been a big get for Bo.
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Wolf and Bricillo did a great job recruiting, we have (2) top rated O-linemen committed; James Wilson from NJ and Gavin Wiggins from Eastern PA. Wilson had 11 other FBS offers including Division I Old Dominion, and Wiggins had at least 3 offers. I have seen the film on these two, a great addition to the Offense, I cannot wait to see them play.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1231966/james-wilson
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1818890/gavin-wiggins
I wouldn't have expected anything less from Wolford. Brought in top quality lineman every year. Wiggins is the better of the two. I like the way he stays low on defense and moves down the line of scrimmage. We our thin at the DT position this could be a option for him early on as we have a stock pile of O -lineman
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I would not go overboard with Florida players, but I do not think Pelini is going to ignore them. Because of saturation (too many teams recruiting Florida) we are getting just as many leftovers from down there, as we would from anywhere else. So many teams are grabbing Florida kids that quality (better) mid-west players are being ignored. I think this is especially true on defense. So why not bring in a few more local kids to excite the fans base?
I think the issue we have with those guys relates back to my feelings on style of ball. This SEC style of ball is rapidly going away, since OSU beat Alabama. As mentioned several times earlier, Wolf had too many athletes and not enough players. The Guins keep up with receivers & that is enough to stop things down there, but up North ...MVFC QB's are going to throw the ball as they know our coverage is weak; so we have to be able to play the ball and tackle. Also, we need to bring more pressure to force these throws early.
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Hello. I am (obviously) a new member to this board. I am actually a BIG Ohio state fan but I came to this board because I live in Urbana and you guys are getting Nathan Mays so I wanted to keep up with him from real ysu fans. I want be very active but I do want to hear what you guys think of him. Yes, he will be committing to ysu if you didn't know yet. In my opinion, he will be a great QB and a good fit in pelini's system. I'm excited to follow him through his college and (hopefully) pro-career.
Most on here are also big Ohio State fans as well.
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Again, have to agree, Fever. Wolf has brought in two more very good linemen. I still chuckle about his players having "low football IQs" according to some here. The fact is, he brought in very solid players over the years. His DC failed him and the players were not used well.
Florida, of course, is where everyone goes for talent. And Florida has a huge supply. More than Ohio. More than Pa. More than both COMBINED. And the coach who fails to get players down there will be seriously hurt by them when matched up against them in games. Ohio St. isn't stupid enough to ignore Florida players. Neither is the MVFC. There are leftovers in Ohio that most avoid . Florida players are premium because they play year round in good weather. Check and see how many Florida players are on MVFC rosters. ::)
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Again, have to agree, Fever. Wolf has brought in two more very good linemen. I still chuckle about his players having "low football IQs" according to some here. The fact is, he brought in very solid players over the years. His DC failed him and the players were not used well.
Florida, of course, is where everyone goes for talent. And Florida has a huge supply. More than Ohio. More than Pa. More than both COMBINED. And the coach who fails to get players down there will be seriously hurt by them when matched up against them in games. Ohio St. isn't stupid enough to ignore Florida players. Neither is the MVFC. There are leftovers in Ohio that most avoid . Florida players are premium because they play year round in good weather. Check and see how many Florida players are on MVFC rosters. ::)
Yes and none more than YSU, so what is your point? I am simply-saying that we can look for talent at home. IN a few years, maybe we will be the first-place some top local talent considers. As you said, everyone goes to FL for talent and we will continue to do the same. I feel at our level and playing a YSU-style of ball, we can get talent from many places ...CA, GA, FL, OH, PA, TX and more. OSU can recruit anywhere, because they are OSU ...enough said about that. Furthermore, OSU's recruiting has absolutely nothing to do with how YSU recruits (transfers being the exception). We simply do not have anywhere near enough local flavor on our team. Pelini knows this and is doing something about it. If they sit on the bench it is worth the investment. He is not just grabbing any local kid; give him credit for doing what has not been done in recent years ...recruiting NE Ohio and W. PA.
People need to stop listening to the media so much: "Heacock cannot recruit", or "Wolf was a recruiting expert". NEITHER is entirely true. People wait for one of their given recruits to work out ...or not... then say "see I told you so". Heck H did not like all the traveling as he recruited most players himself (no money to do otherwise). Wolf's staff was much more skilled in recruiting; yet in his supposed area of expertise, Wolf recruited very poorly on the lines ...too small (dline) and not enough depth (O & D lines).
FYI, Midwest kids are used to playing in Midwest weather. Top FL players are not coming to YSU for the same reason top local talent is not. Top athletes go to top schools ...regardless of climate. They can play at our level at home in nicer climate.
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Boohoo.... poor local players who won't be recruited by other colleges try the good old boy network way to lobby the new coach for recruiting more area players ( no matter they aren't worth it). Why try to get better and make the playoffs ? Lets just become a pipeline for local players so they get a free education ( and avoid competition with "outsiders" for those schollies). Think that will increase attendance ? While losing games with subpar local players ? Good luck with that. Waste some schollies, cheat the players on the team who EARNED their schollie and treat the fans to losing with local talent no one else wanted.
Sounds like a plan. AD approved ?
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@LocalTV4Me: Mays to sign with Youngstown State - Urbana Citizen - http://t.co/3a848ke1ab http://t.co/zHKWYuXxqU via @UrbanaCitizen
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Talent just isn't the same as it once was in Youngstown area. Plain and simple.
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I just went to the YSU site and counted 39 players from NEO and W. Pa. on the roster. Guess we need more "local" talent. ;D ;D ;D
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I just went to the YSU site and counted 39 players from NEO and W. Pa. on the roster. Guess we need more "local" talent. ;D ;D ;D
Great point !! Include the rest of the buckeye and your probably over 50. What I do know is over 17 players out of state contribute to this program in a big way. Then again who needs the likes of Ruiz , D.Rivers , Nwadiogbu , Cejudo and others on the team. I'm not about to argue with the 4 time defending national champ Bison for drawing their recruits from the states of Florida , Texas , Arizona, , California, , Hawaii and Washington it seems to be working out fine for them..anyone wish to disagree ??☺
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WR Chad Swanson from Huber Heights Wayne had an in home visit from Montgomery last night.
Reminds me of a taller Christian Bryan. 6-3, not gonna blow anybody away with his speed but runs great routes and has good hands. And had very solid stats playing against solid D1 programs.
http://recruiting.scout.com/story/1506781-ohio-receiver-picking-up-late-interest
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4578150/highlights/167200375
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Christian Randall-Posey, LB/TE from Penn Hills has committed to YSU.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3142782/highlights/195469386
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Christian Randall-Posey, LB/TE from Penn Hills has committed to YSU.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3142782/highlights/195469386
Versatile and athletic only 185 pounds. Strong for his size and probably a 4.7 kid or faster. Sheds blocks like a 230 pound middle linebacker should..again I have know idea where the staff might play him . There should be some different options to choose from
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I just went to the YSU site and counted 39 players from NEO and W. Pa. on the roster. Guess we need more "local" talent. ;D ;D ;D
Great point !! Include the rest of the buckeye and your probably over 50. What I do know is over 17 players out of state contribute to this program in a big way. Then again who needs the likes of Ruiz , D.Rivers , Nwadiogbu , Cejudo and others on the team. I'm not about to argue with the 4 time defending national champ Bison for drawing their recruits from the states of Florida , Texas , Arizona, , California, , Hawaii and Washington it seems to be working out fine for them..anyone wish to disagree ??☺
What are you trying to say Fever. I agree that we should recruit everywhere ...and if I was the head coach at BFEU ...I would have no choice. Quite frankly, as a local I expect recruiting to be local ...and I am not even a local. Lack of this adds to lack of ticket sales. We are arguing over nothing.
BTW, we have 26 players from within 100 miles of Youngstown ...3 graduate ...leaving 23. I am not saying it is a good number or bad. Stubbs, D'Alesio, Kelly (last few games), Collucci (a few games) and Zaborski and the only ones that had games as a starter. Family, not fans, look at the bench. We can amke the argument that many of these are not our best players ...and we would be right. That is what I want to see changed.
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I just went to the YSU site and counted 39 players from NEO and W. Pa. on the roster. Guess we need more "local" talent. ;D ;D ;D
Great point !! Include the rest of the buckeye and your probably over 50. What I do know is over 17 players out of state contribute to this program in a big way. Then again who needs the likes of Ruiz , D.Rivers , Nwadiogbu , Cejudo and others on the team. I'm not about to argue with the 4 time defending national champ Bison for drawing their recruits from the states of Florida , Texas , Arizona, , California, , Hawaii and Washington it seems to be working out fine for them..anyone wish to disagree ??☺
Hard to say what the scholarship situation is for these local kids also. They may be cheap partials.
What are you trying to say Fever. I agree that we should recruit everywhere ...and if I was the head coach at BFEU ...I would have no choice. Quite frankly, as a local I expect recruiting to be local ...and I am not even a local. Lack of this adds to lack of ticket sales. We are arguing over nothing.
BTW, we have 26 players from within 100 miles of Youngstown ...3 graduate ...leaving 23. I am not saying it is a good number or bad. Stubbs, D'Alesio, Kelly (last few games), Collucci (a few games) and Zaborski and the only ones that had games as a starter. Family, not fans, look at the bench. We can amke the argument that many of these are not our best players ...and we would be right. That is what I want to see changed.
Somehow that got stuck in the middle, sorry.
Hard to say what the scholarship situation is for these local kids also. They may be cheap partials...not a bad way to fill a roster with some depth.
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Isiah Scott from Hubbard has committed to YSU per Dana Balash. Fantastic pickup!
Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 1m 1 minute ago
.@21WFMJSports Hubbard's Isiah Scott verbally commits to Youngstown State @BoPelini .
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YSU Recruit status: (Changing by the day)
James Wilson
Zak Kennedy
Gavin Wiggins
Ryan Emans
Curtis Parks
Darius Shackleford
Lamont Ragland
Avery Larkin
Armand Dellovade
DeAngelo Malone
Kyle Hegedus
Casimier Mitchell
Nathan Mays
Christian Randall-Posey
Isiah Scott
Opted out: Adam Wollet & Malik Leonard
Time is running out, but I expect some changes prior to National signing day (Feb. 4)
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YSU Recruit status: (Changing by the day)
James Wilson
Zak Kennedy
Gavin Wiggins
Ryan Emans
Curtis Parks
Darius Shackleford
Lamont Ragland
Avery Larkin
Armand Dellovade
DeAngelo Malone
Kyle Hegedus
Casimier Mitchell
Nathan Mays
Christian Randall-Posey
Isiah Scott
Opted out: Adam Wollet & Malik Leonard
Time is running out, but I expect some changes prior to National signing day (Feb. 4)
Don't forget about transfers
Avery Moss (Nebraska)
Bri'onte Dunn (Ohio State)
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YSU Recruit status: (Changing by the day)
James Wilson
Zak Kennedy
Gavin Wiggins
Ryan Emans
Curtis Parks
Darius Shackleford
Lamont Ragland
Avery Larkin
Armand Dellovade
DeAngelo Malone
Kyle Hegedus
Casimier Mitchell
Nathan Mays
Christian Randall-Posey
Isiah Scott
Opted out: Adam Wollet & Malik Leonard
Time is running out, but I expect some changes prior to National signing day (Feb. 4)
Don't forget about transfers
Avery Moss (Nebraska)
Bri'onte Dunn (Ohio State)
Mark Schuler should be in there as well.
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The numbers don't match. Losing 12 seniors and bringing in way more than that. Is Dunn a "done" deal cause I heard he was still "shopping" around ?
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I don't believe Dunn is close to a done deal at all... Just a rumored possibility.
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And we also don't know who is all leaving besides Wheary and Nania so that can play a big factor as well.
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Thanks for reminding me of those transfers; I believe Bri'onte Dunn is still weighing his options and we may not know his status until signing day.
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Scott has not committed yet. He is visiting Kentucky this weekend.
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Kentucky has Scott listed 8th behind 7 other WRs they have offered, yet only one has committed. Scott holds a Cincy offer as well. Kentucky recently lost several commits who reconsidered. They will push to keep some offers live. Scott, I believe , is one of them.
I just heard that Dunn is reconsidering not leaving OSU.
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Scott has not committed yet. He is visiting Kentucky this weekend.
Hmm interesting. Dana Balash and Mark Porter both confirming he has committed?
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Ok I stand corrected about Scott. Spoke to Hubbard staff and he has committed to YSU. Cancelled his visit to KY. Good pickup for the Penguins lots of talent.
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Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 4m 4 minutes ago
@21WFMJSports More on Isiah Scott verbal to YSU. He was supposed to visit Kentucky, but spoke with Coach Pelini this AM and committed.
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Dunn will never see the field at OSU except on special teams. Got into Urban's doghouse early with his poor work ethic and fumbling the ball all of training camp. Got the chance to get in at R.B. in some blowout games against some tired defenses that were just arm tackling and managed to put the ball on the ground twice. We have a good situation here at running back and they understand the importance of ball security. The only game they didn't take care of it well was I.S.U...we really don't need the drama. Does anyone know if he was Offered by Pelini while at Nebraska? If he does leave O.S.U. the F.C.S. and the Missouri would be the most logical choice
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Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 4m 4 minutes ago
@21WFMJSports More on Isiah Scott verbal to YSU. He was supposed to visit Kentucky, but spoke with Coach Pelini this AM and committed.
I have a feeling Vince Marrow of Kentucky won't give up that easy
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Dunn's issue was legal and then his desire NOT to play on special teams. He worked his way back into good graces last year. Dunn was probably the second-best special team player they had. He may be a slightly better back than Samuels ...but he is a power back and not quite the back EzE is either. Samuels is a scat-back ...fast & allows OSU give a different look to opposing defenses. So I see Dunn staying at #3, with two backs coming in. Now OSU's #4 back (Bell) is very bright and does well academically ...he is going to get a great degree and stay healthy. So Meyer can red-shirt one of the recruits for sure & if Dunn stays ...he will red-shirt them both.
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I see no need for Dunn here....
In other news, Wayne WR Chad Swanson will be here this weekend for a visit.
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YSU Recruit status: (Changing by the day)
James Wilson
Zak Kennedy
Gavin Wiggins
Ryan Emans
Curtis Parks
Darius Shackleford
Lamont Ragland
Avery Larkin
Armand Dellovade
DeAngelo Malone
Kyle Hegedus
Casimier Mitchell
Nathan Mays
Christian Randall-Posey
Isiah Scott
Opted out: Adam Wollet & Malik Leonard
Time is running out, but I expect some changes prior to National signing day (Feb. 4)
Jacob Zinni from West Branch as well.
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Reports out of Mishawaka,Indiana have Inoke Moala switching his verbal to YSU..Can anyone confirm
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Reports out of Mishawaka,Indiana have Inoke Moala switching his verbal to YSU..Can anyone confirm
Where was he going
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Reports out of Mishawaka,Indiana have Inoke Moala switching his verbal to YSU..Can anyone confirm
Where was he going
He actually committed to the Sycamores of Indiana State last week.
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I read that TE Davidson from North Royalton committed after being offered. He is not listed.
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Hubbard's Isiah Scott verbally commits to Youngstown State
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Hubbard's Isiah Scott verbally commits to Youngstown State
It's already on page 12 haha.
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Looks like they are targeting line men and line backers With a few defensive backs in there as well
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Wayne WR. Swanson has generated interest late from M.A.C. programs but currently holds know offers. I look for him to receive one this weekend and accept. The focal point of this class has also been the WR position. Out of the 16 or so commits about 9 are deserving of full rides if good in the classroom . The others should be split or be a preferred walk-on
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Nice Vindy article re: Isiah Scott:
http://www.vindy.com/news/2015/jan/31/recruiting-trail-isiah-scott-staying-hom/
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Latest update on recruits with verbal commitments:
James Wilson
Zak Kennedy
Gavin Wiggins
Jacob Zinni
Ryan Emans
Curtis Parks
Darius Shackleford
Lamont Ragland
Avery Larkin
Armand Dellovade
DeAngelo Malone
Kyle Hegedus
Casimier Mitchell
Nathan Mays
Christian Randall-Posey
Isiah Scott
Joey Davidson
Avery Moss
There will be some more jockeying around prior to letter of intent signing.
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Agree again, Fever. Not all the recruits are acceptable for this level of play. Too many were offered that we should have passed on. As for Swanson, he played a lot of slot wr and he will be sought as he has size for the position. That's usually rare. Depending on who else is out there and available, it's a crap shoot if we get him. I see lots of last minute switches nationally. Let's hope he sticks.
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Vincent Schnell, LB from Elkhart high school in Indiana is here this weekend on an official visit
Has offers from Austin Peay and Illinois St.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/558748/highlights/161662379
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Never got much into recruiting but I noticed they don't have stars next to them. Did they stop doing this?
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According to ScoutingOhio.com, YSU has offered Joe Alessi, RB, 5'10. 190 from South Range yesterday.
This makes no sense.
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In the 2016 class, YSU offered Titus Nelson:
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4191680/titus-nelson
@HumbledGrind_22
Just got the offer from Youngstown State. Blessed Go penguins
Alessi is not a bad back and I think he could do well in lower level FCS. However, with the competition they play, I don't see it panning out here.
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I can't stop laughing. Go back and watch the film on Nelson and WATCH the competition. That is some of the WORST level of play you will see on film. Terrible players. Even his own team mates. He isn't that great either but the level of competition makes him look like Superman. We are in trouble.
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We are in trouble.
Per Pally, time to give up on the Pelini era at YSU just six weeks after he was hired. We are so screwed. ;)
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Tre'Von Williams, a 6-3 QB from Cleveland VASJ has committed to YSU. Also plays on the highly ranked basketball squad.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3238681/highlights/191435387
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According to ScoutingOhio.com, YSU has offered Joe Alessi, RB, 5'10. 190 from South Range yesterday.
This makes no sense.
Agreed..we are young at R.B. and have plenty of depth. we have a verbal with Deangelo Malone who I judge to be better. We have greater needs elsewhere...Headscatcher !!
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I can't stop laughing. Go back and watch the film on Nelson and WATCH the competition. That is some of the WORST level of play you will see on film. Terrible players. Even his own team mates. He isn't that great either but the level of competition makes him look like Superman. We are in trouble.
I watched these highlights and literally fell out of my chair. Simply put this is becoming ridiculous!!
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I can't stop laughing. Go back and watch the film on Nelson and WATCH the competition. That is some of the WORST level of play you will see on film. Terrible players. Even his own team mates. He isn't that great either but the level of competition makes him look like Superman. We are in trouble.
I cannot stop laughing at your comments. I suppose you say the same thing when we show great runs against Butler, or RMU, or St. Francis? Fever how much is Pally paying you? We already know he has a 20-spot in his pocket from Wolf. To both of your:
Coach M recruits most of the offense and all of the skill positions & I trust him implicitly. You do not even know how these guys are being used. You do not check any intangibles ...like grades. You do not have any idea who is returning for spring. Then you make comments about how young we are. We have 1 senior, 2 juniors and 3 sophs . Anyone that redshifts this year has a 2-year gap. Please, most of Ytown has smiles on their faces ...try it once.
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I talked with someone close to the coaching staff yesterday that informed me you will see more kids getting partial scholarships as opposed to full scholarships... Some of these "questionable" ones Pally and Mr. Fever are going off about are very likely partials.
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Zack Torbet, a 6-3 WR/SS from Avon high school has committed to YSU.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1593349/zack-torbert
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Look, disagree with me if you wish. I was just a h.s. Head coach. However, Footballfever was a long time D-1 college coach. He knows more than me and I am not afraid to admit it. I will hold my comments till it's all official ,then give an overall opinion with supporting facts and analysis.
Would advise all to look at the other MVFC teams recruiting . NDS is tearing up with mainly two and three star players, many with multiple FBS offers who are committing to DNS. Filmon their players are awesome. ILS, UNI and SIU are tearing up too. We do not match up. Currently our class fals into the lower half of the MVFC recruiting. JMHO. Look at their players on film and judge for yourself. I used Rivals, Scout, Hudl and ESPN for my info and film review of recruits.
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But you say the same thing ever single solitary year; so don't act like this is something unusual. BTW, NDSU's class of 2015 is nothing. As with everyone else in our conference (and division for that matter) .. 1maybe 2 players with 2-stars ...both sub-5 rivals ratings (FYI, yo need to be close to 10 to be a 3 or 4 star recruit. Also, they recruited two LB's at 180lbs? wow ...just killer. Right now we are the only team with a 3-star recruit, in the MVFC. There will be two more that are transfers & one is coming our way.
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Now that is funny. How quickly you forget I named TWO of Wolfs recruiting classes the BEST in the MVFC. Explain that ? Everyone should feel free to go to Rivals page on NDS and read for themselves. Then compare with YSU. Watch film. Don't take your word or mine. Look for yourself . Meanwhile, recruiting goes on. It is not over yet.
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You guys take the stars more seriously than I do. They're just guides, and lots of good players get overlooked for one reason or another.
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Now that is funny. How quickly you forget I named TWO of Wolfs recruiting classes the BEST in the MVFC. Explain that ? Everyone should feel free to go to Rivals page on NDS and read for themselves. Then compare with YSU. Watch film. Don't take your word or mine. Look for yourself . Meanwhile, recruiting goes on. It is not over yet.
Best recruiting classes filled with athletes who can't tackle.
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Chad Krispinsky @ChadK426 · 5m 5 minutes ago
Springfield's Mark Schuler has committed to play college football at Youngstown State @YoungstownStFB
Chad Krispinsky @ChadK426 · 1h 1 hour ago
South Range's Joe Alessi has committed to play college football at YSU
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Wayne WR Chad Swanson has received an offer from YSU while on his visit this weekend.
Mike Church, a DB from Elyria has also received an offer.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2132143/mike-church
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@DMBerk: Huber Heights (OH) Wayne Sr WR @cswanson07 has committed to Youngstown State. Great get for new HC Bo Pelini http://t.co/KIGJT26Jhn
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@DMBerk: Huber Heights (OH) Wayne Sr WR @cswanson07 has committed to Youngstown State. Great get for new HC Bo Pelini http://t.co/KIGJT26Jhn
To get a kid this big if for nothing else goaline possessions is a huge get for the program. very happy
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According to scouting ohio Joe Alessi has offers from Dayton, Marist and Army.....So to make this kid sound like he should be playing at Hiram seems a little unfair. Appears that he is also an excellent student possible Biology or Pre-Dental major. For the record, #11 on Patriots is about the same size and wasnt heavily recruited either... There are diamonds in the rough so to speak..
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Glad to get Swanson!
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Now that is funny. How quickly you forget I named TWO of Wolfs recruiting classes the BEST in the MVFC. Explain that ? Everyone should feel free to go to Rivals page on NDS and read for themselves. Then compare with YSU. Watch film. Don't take your word or mine. Look for yourself . Meanwhile, recruiting goes on. It is not over yet.
Wait.. What?? Ok I can't figure you out. Lets see since Wolford came here he recruited two of the best classes in the MVFC. So with all the talent at YSU Stevie Wonder should have been able to coach them to the playoffs. Face it, Wolford was NOT a good coach or recruiter of "Football players". :o
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Jalen Austin, 6-2 DB from Columbus Bishop Hartley has committed to YSU.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2730027/jalen-austin
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Jalen Austin, 6-2 DB from Columbus Bishop Hartley has committed to YSU.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2730027/jalen-austin
Nice. I wasn't as impressed with his defense as I was with his offense, special teams and blocking skills. I wonder where that #7 tailback is going :)
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We had several more recruits give their verbal commitments to YSU: But time is now running out.
James Wilson Isiah Scott
Zack Kennedy Joey Davidson
Gavin Wiggins Avery Moss
Jacob Zinni Tre'Von Williams
Ryan Emans Zack Torbert
Curtis Parks Mark Schuler
Darius Shackleford Chad Swanson
Lamont Ragland Joe Alessi
Avery Larkin Jalen Austin
Armand Dellovade
DeAngelo Malone
Kyle Hegedus
Casimeir Mitchell
Nathan Mays
Christian Randall-Posey
So far 24 recruits: more than I expected, probably some with 1/2 scholarships
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I'm willing to give him a full year on the job before running him out of town based on youtube videos of high school kids playing football.
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I did not see any info on Randall-Posey ...great pick-up. Do you have a link? If he is whom I think he is, Posey was the Quad-A defensive POY in the WPIAL.
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I have to laugh at the negativity of the comments regarding Pelini and positive comments about Wolford.
Nebraska DII and Pelini can't recruit anybody that can play, etc. Let's review the facts, Pelini's worst record at 1-A Nebraska, in the Big10 was better than Wolford's best record at 1-AA in the MVC. I agree that the "Valley" is the best 1-AA conference, but it isn't the Big 10 so those comments are just play silly.
Secondly, there is much more to winning football than recruiting. Look at the last 4-5 classes at Michigan and what the recently dismissed staff did with the talent. Nothing. Wolford was the same, good looking recruits, 3 years later out of the program or on the bench. Consistently. Eric can't coach. Bo knows coaching!
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IAAfan:
Randall-Posey gave verbal commitment per 0505 via hudl.com several days ago. That seems confirmed after checking hudl.
He plays both offence & defense: LB and RB. He played for Penn Hills which plays against good competition.
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I certainly wouldn't put down the last couple of Wolford's recruiting classes. They won some very big games and were competitive in just about all of their conference loses that could've went either way. If they were getting blown out of every conference game lose that would be a different story. Wolford knew as a coach he would be judged on win and loses. It was his job to have the adjustments made by his staff to win the close ones and he didn't get it done. It's not a easy thing for Pelini to come in at the last minute, put a staff together and get these players signed. The staff has gotten some big gets that I'm very happy with. I made the comment before Bo was hired that we would be forced to offer many Division 2 players without division 1 offers and that's what has happened. It doesn't mean they won't pan out or contribute in some way. But more of that is insurance then anything. I think all of us are surprised how many players have been added to this class. There looks like a big shakeup that awaits.Spring will be very interesting. We just need to be patient and see how this all works out..some times change doesn't result in instant success right away
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IAAfan:
Randall-Posey gave verbal commitment per 0505 via hudl.com several days ago. That seems confirmed after checking hudl.
He plays both offence & defense: LB and RB. He played for Penn Hills which plays against good competition.
That has to be him, but I cannot find where he was Quad-A POY. I do see where he made the Big-22. This is a nice grab.
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It should be noted that the rumored OSU RB transfer Bri'onte Dunn was a Tressel recruit.
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Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 45m 45 minutes ago
.@21WFMJSports Mooney's WR D.J. Anderson verbals to Youngstown State
Never heard of this kid. Sounds like a partial or a walk on.
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It should be noted that the rumored OSU RB transfer Bri'onte Dunn was a Tressel recruit.
Tressel/Fickell Recruit
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Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 21m 21 minutes ago
@21WFMJSports Struthers Austin Yemma will sign with #Youngstown State as a preferred walk on.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2980665/austin-yemma
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6:00 news said Anderson from Mooney was a walk-on.
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What does a walk-on sign, 05 ?
It sounds like another inflated story of local stars nobody offered schollie to.
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What does a walk-on sign, 05 ?
It sounds like another inflated story of local stars nobody offered schollie to.
I think your exactly right. Funny how that comes out day before NSD... Lol
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He doesn't sign anything but because he went to Mooney people in the Mahoning Valley think he's good. For example my father (who went to Mooney) is still brainwashed in thinking that every Mooney football player is scholarship eligible anywhere, calls me on the phone to tell me that Pelini signed a kid from Mooney. I told him that he's probably not good enough to play and then he begins a new argument how they have such a great football team etc. I tell him watch and see. But if there are local kids on the team crowd turnout will be better even if we lose.
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Hey Penquinpower, Sorry, but I doubt having a WR who is deep down the depth chart will increase attendance more than 2 (parents) if we loose! Everybody needs special team players, hopefully he can help out there at least. I have a friend who is the same as your dad with OSU. EVERY player is going to be all-pro someday!
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Or even if we lose. Sorry, bad speller, but worse typist!
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Hey Penquinpower, Sorry, but I doubt having a WR who is deep down the depth chart will increase attendance more than 2 (parents) if we loose! Everybody needs special team players, hopefully he can help out there at least. I have a friend who is the same as your dad with OSU. EVERY player is going to be all-pro someday!
Then how is it they get 17k at a Mooney vs Ursuline game and 2000 at a YSU game? Just saying.
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Penquinpower, You think they go to Mooney because it's Mooney? Let them lose for a few years and YSU make the playoffs for a few under Bo and you'll see a complete turnaround. We won't see this happen of course. Because of the unfair recruiting advantage the Catholic schools have, Mooney will always contend, but you'll see 17000+ at YSU in 2015.
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17000+ ? Butts in seats ? In 2015 ? Man that must be some powerful dope you are smoking.
The hype machine is in full bloom ! ;D
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Penquinpower, You think they go to Mooney because it's Mooney? Let them lose for a few years and YSU make the playoffs for a few under Bo and you'll see a complete turnaround. We won't see this happen of course. Because of the unfair recruiting advantage the Catholic schools have, Mooney will always contend, but you'll see 17000+ at YSU in 2015.
We will average more than that. It will settle down to that amount. I expect the first few game to be sellouts, so the average will be 17k or above.
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Hey 1AA, I'm pretty optimistic, but averaging 17K is quite a step up. We'll probably start with a loss, so even the first home game is questionable to get to 17K. Plus, we have some HUGE question marks on defense, where we are desperate for secondary help along with LB DT and K & P Offense needs TE C and WR. That's a lot of questions for a team that is 4-4 last season against BCS schools that offer scholarships. If Bo gets started ok and we win a few, then maybe we can approach 17K after the first game, but we’ve been quite a while since we have been completive on a national state, let’s not get carried away!
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YSU starts with a loss to Pitt as Narduzzi loads up on the Guins. Then the first home games are against major WEENIES Robert Morris and St. Francis. YSU will not be picked to finish in the Top 3 of the MVFC and you guys are talking 17000+ ?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ROFLMAO !
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You have some good points Go guins, but I still think we will be doing well. Perhaps 17k average is bit high, but not much. Here is why:
1. I think the fact that there is a sense of newness.
2. Improved defensive play, which we all expect.
3. The locality of this first recruiting class. When is the last time any of us saw older and younger fans in attendance? I am almost 50, so I am old, but I am talking even older. Likewise, I am not talking about students (yet), but young parents (those with kids from toddler through HS) and high-school kids themselves. The university better bone-up and pay to keep these tailgate lots open and protected all day (including during the game).
4. The game against Pitt will be largely irrelevant as with much of the money games. Fans expect to lose, even though we have beaten Pitt once.
5. The level of expectation is higher. This will taper down as we reach mid-season. However, at that point, the conference-only fan-base (those interested in better games) should begin to show up. The net result is similar-levels.
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This is not "hype machine" but it is true anecdotal information. I was in the bookstore buying my brother a hooded sweatshirt for Christmas and it was busy even though school was on break. I ask the cashier about it and she said it “had been busy since the new coach was hired.” Thought that was a good sign for the first home game. Schedule is tough enough, but no Northern Iowa who I think will be #1 at the end of the season. Need to go 8-4 or roof will fall, attendance wise. (hoodie was BEAUTIFUL!)
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Got a chance to listen to Bo's press conference on incoming class. He was very clear on 3 major points. The want to recruit local kids - Recruiting kids from successful programs - and the need to take extra players to add depth to the roster. He stated that the measurable's of the players didn't play a role In the thought process. I feel you can get away with that at the D-2 D-3 and lower conference programs of the D-1 FCS level but not the Missouri. It's SPEED ON SPEED, SIZE ON SIZE, STRENGHT ON STRENGHT - EVERY SINGLE DOWN. Being a smart and tough player won't overcome physical weaknesses completely on this level. Take the T.E. for example we targeted from Indiana that committed to Indiana State. Look at his film and then look at the film on the linebacker's that just committed here. Who do you think wins that BATTLE? I've watched film on all the other Missouri conference teams commits..There is speed at every position, that is what this year's class is lacking. I can see why Bo took the recruiting approach he did and I can respect that. I just hope in the near future he doesn't avoid other parts of the Nation completely - That would be a huge mistake
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Got a chance to listen to Bo's press conference on incoming class. He was very clear on 3 major points. The want to recruit local kids - Recruiting kids from successful programs - and the need to take extra players to add depth to the roster. He stated that the measurable's of the players didn't play a role In the thought process. I feel you can get away with that at the D-2 D-3 and lower conference programs of the D-1 FCS level but not the Missouri. It's SPEED ON SPEED, SIZE ON SIZE, STRENGHT ON STRENGHT - EVERY SINGLE DOWN. Being a smart and tough player won't overcome physical weaknesses completely on this level. Take the T.E. for example we targeted from Indiana that committed to Indiana State. Look at his film and then look at the film on the linebacker's that just committed here. Who do you think wins that BATTLE? I've watched film on all the other Missouri conference teams commits..There is speed at every position, that is what this year's class is lacking. I can see why Bo took the recruiting approach he did and I can respect that. I just hope in the near future he doesn't avoid other parts of the Nation completely - That would be a huge mistake
What grade do you give this class?
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Penguin power that would be unfair to Bo considering the short length of time on the job. Definitely A - for effort. It's just to early like Bo said. Several of the players could be playing different positions then what they were recruited for coming out of H.S. and some have to grow into their bodies Etc.- time will tell. I DON'T think as many will contribute this year like wolf's class did last year. Several could contribute on special teams.
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I'd echo that , Fever. Here is what I see wrong with this year's class --
1. Many of the recruits have size issues -- short, need weight and will face mismatch problems. Some have questionable speed.
2. Many of the recruits are limited in abilities for this level of play. We gave schollies to those who will not play here.
3. PLayers come from an area already over-recruited and limited in number of quality players for this level, leaving few quality players. Not recruiting Fla., Cal. and Texas will be a mistake.
4. The MVFC, since Wolf arrived, have passed FCS as a whole and is far too competitive to bring in players lacking size , speed or ability level and expect to compete well or finish in the Top 3, which means playoffs remain a problem.
5. We brought in Valley recruits in numbers and will result in wasted schollies. If this continues, forget about playoffs and worry that losing records are on the way.
Other than Nebraska transfer Moss, there is no real headliner. And if he doesn't keep his nose clean or becomes an internal problem with the team, then the class is a bust. Appears that we recruited "practice players". There are some good players here , but few in number and the vast majority may not make much contribution. This can not happen again next year. Or there will be problems.
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Watched Pelini comments and watched highlight video of recruits also Reviewed North Dakota Northern Iowa and Illinois St. classes. The Bison had decent size and recruited there core areas Wisconsin and Minnesota didn't see any Florida recruits in this years class Illinois St. had a 3 star Db I think and recruited speed and had 3 or 4 transfers. Recruited a lot from there core area Northern Iowa's Coach Farley who I like a lot said we recruited Iowa first that is who we are and that the kids have great work ethic etc. So maybe Bo who said he is recruiting the State of Youngstown is looking at the top 3 programs and see's it starts at home. I also checked Indiana St they got some more big guys. We better bulk up because we sure didn't get any bigger but I do feel we got better at Db and Safety and we got better at Wr as well. I liked the Malone kid The lb from Indiana and Larkin...the Transfer from Nebraska will be an impact guy too. I don't think we hurt our selfs with the lineman recruits but thought our Lbs were smallish but a couple had good closing speed. I thought the Qb from Urbana was a steal as well as Scott from Hubbard. Coaching will come into play with this class Wolf couldn't coach his kids up and it didn't get us that one more win to get into the playoffs. I have to believe with Pelini having success at Nebraska LSU and in the pro's we will be better prepared focused and get that one more W. He is a proven Winner and the kids will respond to him. Wolf was a proven recruiter and basically was learning how to Coach a program and even though he improved he never got the kids to stay focused and we always went zero for November and it was his undoing.
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A. The arguments of the MVFC having "passed the FCS" and "Size on Size" are infinitely more laughable than 17k attendance. Given a good game against Narduzzi and Pitt I could see 17k for the home opener if marketed correctly. But pretending that YSU needs Marcus Mariotta or Braxton Miller to come in to win a IAA championship is ridiculous at worst.
B. The local strategy isn't a great one in terms of talent, but in terms of work and pride its a great idea. Lets face it, No one takes Youngstown more seriously than those from Youngstown. Local kids are going to be exponentially more prideful and loyal when it comes to the success of YSU. Now the older generations may think the scholarship and "opportunity" are supposed to make you prideful and loyal, wherever your from, the simple fact is YSU is not that kind of school and with this generation, it does not.
C. Id rather have a team full of 2 star recruits that will play until their burger every week, Than a team full of talented "cod-pieces" who think they've only "ended up" at a program and will be playing in the league soon anyway.
D. This approach takes a coaches that can make athletes better, not just keep them good. From the HC to the weight room, things better be on point, Or it will end horribly.
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I'd echo that , Fever. Here is what I see wrong with this year's class --
1. Many of the recruits have size issues -- short, need weight and will face mismatch problems. Some have questionable speed.
2. Many of the recruits are limited in abilities for this level of play. We gave schollies to those who will not play here.
3. PLayers come from an area already over-recruited and limited in number of quality players for this level, leaving few quality players. Not recruiting Fla., Cal. and Texas will be a mistake.
4. The MVFC, since Wolf arrived, have passed FCS as a whole and is far too competitive to bring in players lacking size , speed or ability level and expect to compete well or finish in the Top 3, which means playoffs remain a problem.
5. We brought in Valley recruits in numbers and will result in wasted schollies. If this continues, forget about playoffs and worry that losing records are on the way.
Other than Nebraska transfer Moss, there is no real headliner. And if he doesn't keep his nose clean or becomes an internal problem with the team, then the class is a bust. Appears that we recruited "practice players". There are some good players here , but few in number and the vast majority may not make much contribution. This can not happen again next year. Or there will be problems.
Cannot think of a year that you did not say the same dang thing ...almost word-per-word, less the MVFC crap. Heck New Hampshire would have horse-whipped NDSU ...they unfortunately had to play ILS with more offensive firepower than the Bison.
Here is your Bison class:
Jack Albrecht Bio 26428 OL 6-5 275 Fr. Rolling Meadows, Ill. (Fremd HS)
Zack J. Johnson Bio 26428 OL 6-6 261 Fr. Blaine, Minn. (Spring Lake Park HS)
Trent Mooney Bio 26428 OL 6-5 255 Fr. Lamar, Mo. (Lamar HS)
---All the steroids in the world are not going to make these guys 300lbs.
Zack has decent resume & at this level Mooney is going nowhere but TE or other side of the ball.
Matt Anderson Bio 26428 TE 6-4 240 Fr. Lakeland, Minn. (Stillwater HS)
Ben Ellefson Bio 26428 TE 6-4 226 Fr. Hawley, Minn. (Hawley HS)
Bruce Anderson Bio 26428 RB 6-0 195 Fr. Ruskin, Fla. (Newsome HS)
Marquise Bridges Bio 26428 WR 6-0 170 Fr. Brooklyn Park, Minn. (DeLaSalle HS)
Jake Brinkman Bio 26428 LB 6-0 205 Fr. North Liberty, Iowa (Regina HS)
Ty Brooks Bio 26428 DB 5-9 155 Fr. Fargo, N.D. (Fargo South HS)
Jaxon Brown Bio 26428 DB 6-2 195 Fr. Eau Claire, Wis. (Regis HS)
Bryan Carlton Bio 26428 DT 6-4 250 Fr. Chanhassen, Minn. (Minnetonka HS)
Jack Darnell Bio 26428 DT 6-3 280 Fr. Champlin, Minn. (Champlin Park HS)
Dom Davis Bio 26428 DB 6-0 171 Fr. Millstadt, Ill. (Belleville West HS)
Robbie Grimsley Bio 26428 DB 6-1 185 Fr. Hutchinson, Minn. (Hutchinson HS)
James Hendricks Bio 26428 QB 6-2 185 Fr. Laporte, Minn. (Bemidji HS)
Connor Hubbs Bio 26428 DT 6-2 272 Fr. White Bear Lake, Minn. (White Bear Lake HS)
Cole Karcz Bio 26428 DE 6-4 225 Fr. Germantown, Wis. (Germantown HS)
Aaron Mercadel Bio 26428 LB 6-0 195 Fr. Oakland, Calif. (Saint Mary's College HS)
Demaris Purifoy Bio 26428 RB 6-1 185 Fr. Wauwatosa, Wis. (Wauwatosa West HS)
Brock Robbins Bio 26428 FB 6-2 215 Fr. Cavalier, N.D. (Cavalier HS)
Braden Sikes Bio 26428 DB 6-0 188 Fr. Excelsior, Minn. (Minnetonka HS)
Derrek Tuszka Bio 26428 DE 6-5 218 Fr. Warner, S.D. (Warner HS)
Dimitri Williams Bio 26428 WR 6-0 185 Fr. Lakeville, Minn. (Rosemount HS)
They have two stud recruits, a DE with a great build & the rest is plain-Jane. I don't get you sometimes, you just have to complain. Then in 2 years you will talk about how great this YSU class was & you called it #1 in the MVFC.
Can you not see how important it is for YSu to become a destination once again? Aside from some previously profitable schools outside of our area, we need to be getting guys from here for this to happen..
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I would think we will see more FBS transfers coming in by spring or summer. The kid from Hubbard is D1 player and we got him. Great get. I think the class on paper may not seem great but at least 8-10 of them will be good. The staff only had 6 weeks to recruit and with most players coming back it only takes good coaching to get us to the playoffs. We shall see.
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1AA Fan are you actually that nieve regarding PED's? Those guys you say "will never be 300" will absolutely all be 300, most of them by this fall, all of them by next fall.
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Theres no way we had enough scholarships for this class.
Take it for what it is. He's recruiting some players that fit his style, not Wolf's, with limited resources he can offer.
That's fine by me. He had limited time as well, and still grabbed a couple good looking players.
Guys that can hit and tackle are definitely more of an MVFC fit.
Let's see what transfers we get and what he can do with a full year.
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I’m somewhat at a loss to see the criticism of this class based on size. Every safety recruit is taller than Troy Polamalu and I believe bigger than Troy before getting to USC. Every cornerback recruit is taller and bigger than Joe Haden. Every WR recruit is bigger than Julian Edelman. NOW DON’T GET ME WRONG, I am NOT saying we recruited the next Troy, Joe or Julian, but they are plenty big enough to get the job done. In addition the OL are all 6-4 so they can all get to 310-320 and the DL are all 6-1 or so, and can easily get to 280. This is NFL size, maybe (certainly) not NFL quality, but size wise I see no issues. Am I missing something?
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I’m somewhat at a loss to see the criticism of this class based on size. Every safety recruit is taller than Troy Polamalu and I believe bigger than Troy before getting to USC. Every cornerback recruit is taller and bigger than Joe Haden. Every WR recruit is bigger than Julian Edelman. NOW DON’T GET ME WRONG, I am NOT saying we recruited the next Troy, Joe or Julian, but they are plenty big enough to get the job done. In addition the OL are all 6-4 so they can all get to 310-320 and the DL are all 6-1 or so, and can easily get to 280. This is NFL size, maybe (certainly) not NFL quality, but size wise I see no issues. Am I missing something?
My size comment was on the Bison's recruiting class go guins. Our class size/weight is above average. I have no complaints and will also ask anyone to look at some of the film. These guys seem comfortable penetrating on both sides of their opposition.
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I’m somewhat at a loss to see the criticism of this class based on size. Every safety recruit is taller than Troy Polamalu and I believe bigger than Troy before getting to USC. Every cornerback recruit is taller and bigger than Joe Haden. Every WR recruit is bigger than Julian Edelman. NOW DON’T GET ME WRONG, I am NOT saying we recruited the next Troy, Joe or Julian, but they are plenty big enough to get the job done. In addition the OL are all 6-4 so they can all get to 310-320 and the DL are all 6-1 or so, and can easily get to 280. This is NFL size, maybe (certainly) not NFL quality, but size wise I see no issues. Am I missing something?
All great points here.
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1AA I was not refering to you. I was refering to Paladin . "Many of the recruits have size issues -- short, need weight and will face mismatch problems." and Footballfever regarding the size issues.
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Tough to criticize this class because Bo did not have a lot of time to put it together. Relying on the coaches he kept to help him.
Most of the local players won't see the field besides Scott from Hubbard at WR and Kennedy at kicker.
I like the couple O-Lineman from PA... That has been a good get for us lately in that area. Big O-Lineman from Illinois needs to get in shape but could be a starter here soon.
I also like the DB's from Woodland Hills and LaSalle, if developed right can be solid players and really like the DT from Syracuse, NY. About 275-280 and he has a quick first step off the ball. Same with the DE from Michigan if he can put on some weight. WR from Toledo CC is a burner, very elusive. Could be an asset. Like the LB from Penn Hills if he can put on some weight and keep his quickness. Big hitter, good closing speed.
Overall, not a great class but some guys who I think can really make an impact.
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Why are we criticizing our new recruits? I agree with the list that fan0505 mentioned that are solid players. There are 8-12 recruits who will make an impact in our future.
Let's see what Bo and his staff can do, I know one sure thing, our defense will definitely improve.
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Bo said in the signing day presser that he hadn't wanted too much film of the players "on campus", but based on this class, I'm not sure I buy that 100%. He notes we need depth. We do. Every year under Wolford we lead multiple games at the half or 3/4 and lost in the 4th qtr. Some of these LB's RB's and DB's that posters say aren't going to get snaps are going to get a series in the 2nd qtr and a series early in the 4th qtr and maybe we won't run out of gas every big game. Pelini also says we need to be in top shape and that hasn't been true under Eric.
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Way too much debate about size here. At Nebraska Pelini was known to intentionally take skill over size. His position was that some of the biggest players by weight were so big that they did not perform optimally. There's also an assumption in the Pelini world that players grow and develop--the idea that players should develop once they arrived on campus was not much of a priority under W.
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Has anyone bothered to see if there are any changes in the strength and conditioning coaches?
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IAA, not yet. There could be. I did hear Rolin Smith is leaving but not forced out.
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I thought it was Mike Cochran
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Yes, Mike is the Head guy. Rolin was a helper.
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Nothing I like better that some Spiderleg guy telling me "there is way too much discussion about size" and then proceeds to give me a lesson on each coaches philosophy regarding size. The average height and weight of last year’s Nebraska OL was just about on a par with the Browns (and the 2014 Penguins) so athletic ability is by far the most important element. My original comment was directed at the comments regarding 6-4 275 players being too small and my observation that at 6-4 they would grow into 310-320 linemen. I stand by my comments that the 6-4 275 recruit isn’t “too small”.
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go guin, for the record, I was referring to the rather tedious discussion of analyzing each new player in MVFC by height and weight and then concluding that originally NDSU and then later most of the MVFC will have a better team than YSU. I'm not far from you on this point, but development need not include an increase in size--it can also include a decrease to get to an optimal playing weight. Bo Pelini: "There's a misconception that you've got to be this big, huge guy to play this game. It's about explosiveness and athleticism, and the rest will come."
I, for one, am willing to give Pelini the benefit of the doubt. Contrary to some, I don't think 9-3 at Nebraska is too shabby.
http://www.kearneyhub.com/huskersnews/pelini-s-nu-body-shop-strives-for-fast-and-physical/article_c2502c4c-1259-5d12-9317-25cd2594c5c5.html
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It is the "physical" part of this we need the most work on.
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1AA, I agree with the need to be more "physical". Coach Pelini also sees it as a depth issue. We lost so many games during the Wolford era after leading at the 1/2, or even after 3/4 it was discouraging. I remember the good old Tressel days, and saying to my brother, "we've got this one in good shape, we're only down 7 at the half!" And it seemed we came back every time to win the close ones. I'm sure my "memory" makes things better over the years, but we played for the national championship 6 times and won 4 and I thought we had the best players on the field in only one of those games!
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Spiderlegs, sorry, didn't mean to be overly sensitive! Funny, but explosiveness and athleticism vs. size might be better suited for 1AA than 1A. I remember wondering when Tressel went to Columbus, how he would do with the higher quality athletes. He did great getting more out 2nd tier players than anybody else, but would he be able to do the same with the ***** guy? Now I wonder if 1AA might actually be better suited for Bo than 1A? Time will tell!
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@PrepVilla Congrats to Prep Senior RB Bryce Boyd. Today he committed to play football at Youngstown State next season.
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3969399/bryce-boyd