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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: peteonastick on October 16, 2023, 09:37:34 PM
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Ok. Now that we are like a Jekyll and Hyde type team, what do we need to do to run the table starting this week with ILSU? We have dug a deep hole. My biggest concern is our inability to put 4 quarters together. We have spurts where we look like a NC level team and times we look like we can’t beat Ursuline. Disappointing that we score 41 and 31 on the road and lose.
Go Guins!
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Great questions pete. I think the guins will win this one, but it is notable that they played South Dakota State closer than UNI (SDSU beat Illinois State 40-21 as opposed to beating UNI 41-6, BUT the Illinois State game was an away game for the Jackrabbits).
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Must win out. Only chance IMO. Though 7-4 with a loss to OSU, two 3 point losses on the road and a close loss (assuming) to the #1 team in the country would be considered at selection time but we know how the committee is. 8-3 is a must.
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I thought I read that SDSU pulled their QB early in the ILS game? They were up 21-0 in the first quarter.
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Must win out. Only chance IMO. Though 7-4 with a loss to OSU, two 3 point losses on the road and a close loss (assuming) to the #1 team in the country would be considered at selection time but we know how the committee is. 8-3 is a must.
Unfortunately, I think you're right. 7-4 (7-3 in FCS) puts us on the bubble... and we someheow never get the benefit of the doubt their. 8-3 and we're in
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knowing the committee, they would probably leave us out at 8-3 anyway! Which would be an embarrassment to FCS football! They chose Delaware over YSU last year at 7-4, and that was a complete joke!
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knowing the committee, they would probably leave us out at 8-3 anyway! Which would be an embarrassment to FCS football! They chose Delaware over YSU last year at 7-4, and that was a complete joke!
Not to mention Delaware was losing consecutive games.
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Guys, we need to show the committee that we can win multiple game-in-a-row. They need to show me this as well. If not, I do not wish to be embarrassed in the play-off with an appearance. BTW, at 8-3, YSU will have defeated #1 and #5. we are in (and at home) with out a doubt.
Also, let's not forget that we need to gain post-season exposure. YSU no longer has any idea what it takes to fight your way through the crowd of teams in the post-season. So maybe there is some good to an embarrassingly short run in the play-off, as opposed to none?
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Guys, we need to show the committee that we can win multiple game-in-a-row. They need to show me this as well. If not, I do not wish to be embarrassed in the play-off with an appearance. BTW, at 8-3, YSU will have defeated #1 and #5. we are in (and at home) with out a doubt.
Also, let's not forget that we need to gain post-season exposure. YSU no longer has any idea what it takes to fight your way through the crowd of teams in the post-season. So maybe there is some good to an embarrassingly short run in the play-off, as opposed to none?
Conference games are the same as playoff games, if not more challenging than facing most teams in the tournament. There's such a stark difference between the MVFC teams and everyone else that we get playoff experience every week.
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What is with the the person posting non sports stuff to old threads? not needed
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From today’s Tribune/Vindy
https://www.tribtoday.com/sports/local-sports/2023/10/ysus-margin-for-error-shrinking-as-penguins-welcome-illinois-state/
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ISU will not be an easy game. I am wondering what the line is for this. Maybe us by 2.5 or 3?
Still have hope for a playoff spot but as the article said, we have little margin of error.
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If we play as we can the whole game we will be fine
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Have to put a whole game together. Sadly, even when we played SIU we struggled enough on offense that they went for it 2 times inside their 30 because they knew they could stop us offensively. ISUr has the best scoring defense in conference and averages over 400 yards on offense averaging over 35 points on offense. This is no cakewalk. Won’t be able to make this game but will be watching from out of state. Lose this and say goodbye to the playoffs for another year.
Go Guins
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I am actually more optimistic about the making the post season even with a 7-4 (losing one more game to South Dakota State.
I know we didn’t make it last year at 7-4.
However, if the four loses are, Ohio State (#3 FBS), South Dakota (#2 at the time), South Dakota (#1) and Nothern Iowa (#10 at the time), coupling with a 31-3 win over then #5 rank Southern Illinois, IMO, I think even the biased selection committee is going have trouble not picking YSU.
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I am actually more optimistic about the making the post season even with a 7-4 (losing one more game to South Dakota State.
I know we didn’t make it last year at 7-4.
However, if the four loses are, Ohio State (#3 FBS), South Dakota (#2 at the time), South Dakota (#1) and Nothern Iowa (#10 at the time), coupling with a 31-3 win over then #5 rank Southern Illinois, IMO, I think even the biased selection committee is going have trouble not picking YSU.
We are all but out now. Winning out, including vs SDSU, is a MUST. Without that, I would not even vote for us to be in the post-season and I bleed Red & White. A loss to SDSU would put a minimum of 4 MVFC teams above us. (That loss to UNI is going to haunt us for the remainder). 3 that beat us and the fourth we did not face. What kind of resume is that?
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Guys, we need to show the committee that we can win multiple game-in-a-row. They need to show me this as well. If not, I do not wish to be embarrassed in the play-off with an appearance. BTW, at 8-3, YSU will have defeated #1 and #5. we are in (and at home) with out a doubt.
Also, let's not forget that we need to gain post-season exposure. YSU no longer has any idea what it takes to fight your way through the crowd of teams in the post-season. So maybe there is some good to an embarrassingly short run in the play-off, as opposed to none?
Conference games are the same as playoff games, if not more challenging than facing most teams in the tournament. There's such a stark difference between the MVFC teams and everyone else that we get playoff experience every week.
Good point, but I cannot say that I completely agree. The MVFC is tough, but facing different styles of offenses and defense that you do not experience regularly is more dangerous. Look at 2017. We had little trouble with a very strong Jacksonville State team and we all but lost to a weak Wofford club a week later. It was their tough D and solid option game that we were not used to.
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Our pass defense is the main problem. If it was just average, we would be 5 and 1. What bothers me the most is that a few years back we had a defensive backs coach who had the players believe in him. I recall they came to practice early and stayed after to work on their foot work and technique. Some of those players are still with us in Troy J and Quency L I think. It was the best pass D we had in a long time. He left the next season for Purdue I think. My issue is that our scheme seems weak, not just the players. I know our front 4 can't get pressure most of the time and that hurts. But we seem to always be chasing the receiver not defending against the pass. The coaches say that the other team is keeping 7 in to block so only 4 are in the pattern. We should have 7 to defend the 4 and they get wide open.
The losses in the league were to experienced coaches who I think control the assistants and the schemes on O and D. They make quick changes to our scheme and mostly win that battle against our coaching staff. In the USD game we came out strong on O, but after 2 series changes were made and we were in trouble the rest of the half. I hope that our coaches can learn from this and get better. I also think the head coach needs to be closely in control of the new and inexperienced assistant coaches so we don't get out schemed with an experienced coach against our inexperienced coaches. Sometimes I feel that assistant coaches who get to be head coaches still have sympathy for assistants and give them too much authority. We can’t afford to hire experienced and proven assistants so we need to guide our assistant coaches until they prove themselves.
We sure need a change in our pass defense scheme so we win some games.
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Penguin68 well said.
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It's GameDay penguin fans! fb
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Need to stop scheduling guaranteed loss games like Ohio State. Yes we got the money but if it counts against you making the playoffs it's dumb. Your program gets noticed by consistently being in the playoffs and making a run like 2016 not losing to some FBS team by 4 touchdowns.
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I am seeing us as 8.5 favorites. Wow, wasn’t expecting that.
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Looking good so far
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Let's go
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Defense didn’t show up today. No pressure on their QB. It will be a long day for us.
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Our secondary is pathetic!
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Pathetic doesn’t begin to describe it
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SIU only losing to SDSU by 7 right now
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Looks like a very small crowd for HC.
Is there 5K in the seats?
Buckeyes playing PSU at noon.
Sounded like tailgate was full?
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Can not tackle a wet paper bag!
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This defense is so hard to watch. Zero adjustments
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How many times are we going to run on first down? My god!
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Let's see how fast our defense gives the lead right back!
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That was running into the kicker not roughing
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Nice tackle their guys!
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How many more excuses are we going to make for a bad coaching staff? The staff is junk! The program is junk. Win or lose this team is headed nowhere. Sorry, but enough is enough!
The clown head coach who thinks he's a Tressel prodigy makes me want to puke too. His BS talk of calling them "young men" makes me want to smash my head against the wall.
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Nice tackle their guys!
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Five games left to take of business, need to play a hell of a lot better than this!
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Five games left to take of business, need to play a hell of a lot better than this!
I counted 4 left and they should be favored in three.
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Gritty performance by the team. Several momentum swings during the game, our offense struggled somewhat in the second half but made the last two drives count. D was pushed around a lot but came through when they had to. No excuse on the running into the kicker call, just can't get close to him in that situation.
A win is a win!
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How many more excuses are we going to make for a bad coaching staff? The staff is junk! The program is junk. Win or lose this team is headed nowhere. Sorry, but enough is enough!
The clown head coach who thinks he's a Tressel prodigy makes me want to puke too. His BS talk of calling them "young men" makes me want to smash my head against the wall.
Go find another team to root for.
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We have played four quality league opponents in a row. We have two quality wins and no bad losses. Unlike last season when we had no quality wins and the bad loss to Missouri State. If the defense was just average how happy would we be this evening.
I just don't understand. In our secondary we have a guy who played at Ohio State and a guy who played some at Florida. The talent can't be this bad. The schemes must be terrible for we are making every quarterback we face look like some combination of Sammy Baugh, Johnny Unitas, and Joe Montana.
I'm a baseball guy so I can't talk about football with any authority. But I do have this question. If we can't touch a quarterback with a four-man rush and rarely apply any pressure when we do blitz, would it make any sense on third-and-long to rush three and play a four-four zone? If not that something else? Continuing to use the same ineffective defensive schemes is demonstrating Einstein's definition of insanity.
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We won. Look at the roster. Kids are young. They are inconsistent because they're young. We will get better.
Most coaches have a season to learm the league in an off-season. While this is Phillips 3rd year, it's really his second year because the first year they played back to back seasons a few months apart (Covid spring season and then fall) and had to turn the roster, which was most important.
The league is tough and games don't necessarily go the way you expect them to go.
It's a W. You are what your record says you are.
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I'm sorry, but Phillips has had plenty of ample time to turn the program around period. Let's all stop Using that excuse of the covid year everybody had it. Defense was pathetic and I see it not getting any better. we need a new defensive coordinator a new scheme, or something.
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He may be FORCED to make changes to his staff in order to keep his job if we are left out of playoffs another year. We are 3 years removed from covid so no excuses now. Time to perform on the field.
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I'm sorry, but Phillips has had plenty of ample time to turn the program around period. Let's all stop Using that excuse of the covid year everybody had it. Defense was pathetic and I see it not getting any better. we need a new defensive coordinator a new scheme, or something.
we are in the middle of the 3rd season. His handicap is that he stated with NOTHING. It's a complete rebuild. Listen to Mark Farley's comments about YSU. He said that since Phillips has arrived Youngstown has returned to looking like a Missouri Valley team. He said that it's been several years since we've had the players to match up. He also said that YSU has this"will" about them to win games like we did in years past.
The roster is young. The guy has had 2 seasons, one of which was abbreviated. He's in the midst of his 3rd year and we are ready to fire him? He doesn't even have his full roster playing yet.
I find these kinds of remarks unfair and incoherent. Name someone that would be a better replacement that we could get on our budget.
If we doesn't win in year 5, then you can get critical. What he and the team need is support.
Look at the improvement in the national statistics. You think Pelini was great? He sucked at recruiting, which is 85% of the way you win. He used Wolford's recruits to win and then the sharp drop off came because his recruiting sucked ass.
Games in the Missouri Valley Football Conference are not going to always go as you think. People are ridiculous.
Unbelievable.
Who fired a coach after 3 years when significant progress is being made.
We have inexperienced coaches and inexperienced players. That can be fixed. As I've stated before, donate to the program for better assistant coaches if you want to see that kind of change. The head coach is doing a fine job. But it's ultimately up to the kids to clean up the critical penalties.
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This is the coaches 4th year and most of the players playing have a lot of experience some in 5th year. These excuses aren’t supported by the facts. Just as his saying how good our defense was coming into the season. Worst defense since Wolford.
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This is the coaches 4th year and most of the players playing have a lot of experience some in 5th year. These excuses aren’t supported by the facts. Just as his saying how good our defense was coming into the season. Worst defense since Wolford.
You are incorrect. He was hired February of 2020. This is the 3rd season under Phillips not the 4th.
The AD would have helped him if he would have let Pelini go in October of 2019 because he could have recruited better for 2020. But that wasn't the case. He was hired in February two days after signing day. Therefore, he didn't have time to evaluate talent and recruit to it
He was hired AFTER the signing period in 2020. That's a huge handicap. Then he has his season cancelled. So you have a coach that hasn't coached a game in 2020 that got hired AFTER signing day and then had his first season delayed by cowards that cancelled the football season and pushed it to 2021.
He hasn't even finished coaching season #3 and people want to fire him?
Look at the f***ing roster! It's a 180. Get your facts straight. I'm giving everyone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to him coaching season #3. It's technically #2 based on the hiring date. He needs to be able to make the team his own before you pass judgement. I could argue he's in season #2.
It's not his own roster yet. Far from it.
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Phillips was hired February 7th 2020.
Signing day was February 5th 2020.
No season was played in the fall of 2020. It was played in 2021. Not a problem for established programs. This guy didn't get that benefit. And the roster was uncompetitive
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We were 2-6 in conference in 2019.
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Most programs that hire a new coach are good after 3 years. Time to start thinking about how irrelevant we are when it comes time to get a playoff spot. Only SDSU is the next game we won't be favored in. No hiccups against the others but with our d I really cannot see us blowing anyone out rest of season. We typically struggle against MSU. Remember last time we lost to them knocking us out of playoffs. Remember.
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We played two seasons in 2021. The conference-only spring season and then the full fall season. Add in 2022 and now 2023, this is the 4th season for Phillips.
Big win by YSU yesterday. This league is deep and tough. UND getting shut out by UNI and USD (and UNI for that matter) struggling vs INSU proves that point. Yes we will be favored in 3 of last 4, but we better bring our "A" game each week or else one of these teams can upset you.
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IntheYo makes alot of sense.
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I agree with in the yo. Keep making progress and we will be fine. Very important win today. Realistically our d did not play well by any means this week however ISU is very good and #2 played phenomenal. Many of his catches were well defended and he made great plays. He was a playmaker In this game. We need to take care of business now and we will have a good shot at playoffs. Let get out to Stambaugh and support the guins. Go guins.
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Fan turnout sucks big-time. I have heard all the excuses, team deserves better.
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We played two seasons in 2021. The conference-only spring season and then the full fall season. Add in 2022 and now 2023, this is the 4th season for Phillips.
Big win by YSU yesterday. This league is deep and tough. UND getting shut out by UNI and USD (and UNI for that matter) struggling vs INSU proves that point. Yes we will be favored in 3 of last 4, but we better bring our "A" game each week or else one of these teams can upset you.
6 games? We are counting 6 games? That's practically a playoff run
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I'm sorry, but Phillips has had plenty of ample time to turn the program around period. Let's all stop Using that excuse of the covid year everybody had it. Defense was pathetic and I see it not getting any better. we need a new defensive coordinator a new scheme, or something.
we are in the middle of the 3rd season. His handicap is that he stated with NOTHING. It's a complete rebuild. Listen to Mark Farley's comments about YSU. He said that since Phillips has arrived Youngstown has returned to looking like a Missouri Valley team. He said that it's been several years since we've had the players to match up. He also said that YSU has this"will" about them to win games like we did in years past.
The roster is young. The guy has had 2 seasons, one of which was abbreviated. He's in the midst of his 3rd year and we are ready to fire him? He doesn't even have his full roster playing yet.
I find these kinds of remarks unfair and incoherent. Name someone that would be a better replacement that we could get on our budget.
If we doesn't win in year 5, then you can get critical. What he and the team need is support.
Look at the improvement in the national statistics. You think Pelini was great? He sucked at recruiting, which is 85% of the way you win. He used Wolford's recruits to win and then the sharp drop off came because his recruiting sucked ass.
Games in the Missouri Valley Football Conference are not going to always go as you think. People are ridiculous.
Unbelievable.
Who fired a coach after 3 years when significant progress is being made.
We have inexperienced coaches and inexperienced players. That can be fixed. As I've stated before, donate to the program for better assistant coaches if you want to see that kind of change. The head coach is doing a fine job. But it's ultimately up to the kids to clean up the critical penalties.
DITTO!!
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Attendance is disappointing given it was homecoming this last game. More people tailgating than actually came to the game.
I do think if they were 5-1 though they would have better attendance at the same time.
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Fan turnout sucks big-time. I have heard all the excuses, team deserves better.
It's sad because most would rather watch the OSU game. Its unfortunate that many "fans" loyalties lie with a team 3 hours away that they have no association with rather then the team within their own community or even their alma mater.
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The dedicated fans were there. The casual fans were at home watching us on ESPN+ or watching OSU. Casual fans consider sports to be a television show and not a participatory event. They might come to the stadium on rare occasions but not when it is cold or damp. This will not change. Being fixated on attendance just reduces your enjoyment of the games.
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I'm sorry, but Phillips has had plenty of ample time to turn the program around period. Let's all stop Using that excuse of the covid year everybody had it. Defense was pathetic and I see it not getting any better. we need a new defensive coordinator a new scheme, or something.
we are in the middle of the 3rd season. His handicap is that he stated with NOTHING. It's a complete rebuild. Listen to Mark Farley's comments about YSU. He said that since Phillips has arrived Youngstown has returned to looking like a Missouri Valley team. He said that it's been several years since we've had the players to match up. He also said that YSU has this"will" about them to win games like we did in years past.
The roster is young. The guy has had 2 seasons, one of which was abbreviated. He's in the midst of his 3rd year and we are ready to fire him? He doesn't even have his full roster playing yet.
I find these kinds of remarks unfair and incoherent. Name someone that would be a better replacement that we could get on our budget.
If we doesn't win in year 5, then you can get critical. What he and the team need is support.
Look at the improvement in the national statistics. You think Pelini was great? He sucked at recruiting, which is 85% of the way you win. He used Wolford's recruits to win and then the sharp drop off came because his recruiting sucked ass.
Games in the Missouri Valley Football Conference are not going to always go as you think. People are ridiculous.
Unbelievable.
Who fired a coach after 3 years when significant progress is being made.
We have inexperienced coaches and inexperienced players. That can be fixed. As I've stated before, donate to the program for better assistant coaches if you want to see that kind of change. The head coach is doing a fine job. But it's ultimately up to the kids to clean up the critical penalties.
DITTO!!
I was the same as Pride, but when I remembered Phillips had no games his first season, I decided to hold back another season before calling for some more serious action. The lack of consistency really bother's me though. It really seems like basic adjustments send us for a loop.
Now some good and bad from the ILS game. The left corner (#2 or 3 I think) seemed to make an effort to keep an eye on the ball & twice he made brilliant plays on the ball and stopped receptions in the end-zone. #1 is becoming more productive as they are keying on #10, but we cannot just switch. we need to have some plays designed for both backs to be in there. We have to stop being so obvious in our changes to run the ball. (ie: shifting the TE's and using Brungard, etc.). We need to focus more on open parts of the field. Send those TE's out over the middle and hit them with some passes. Simple post route will do. Saturday the middle of the field was open most of the first 3 quarters
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One more thing......Pelini also created a recruiting issue when YSU got hit with NCAA violations. It cut scholarships. Don't forget that.
Thanks Pelini.