Author Topic: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!  (Read 46967 times)

Offline Wick250

  • Emperor Penguin
  • *****
  • Posts: 2522
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2014, 12:06:24 AM »
The post by pen4life summed up the situation beautifully.  This is NOT a football town.  It is a town filled with folks who sit in front of their televisions and watch their precious Buckeyes on Saturday and their favorite pro teams on Sunday.  Their knowledge about football is superficial.  Actually, they don't even deserve to be called casual "fans" at all, more like tv watchers who extract some type of fulfillment from their frontrunning.


 

Offline ysufan0505

  • Emperor Penguin
  • *****
  • Posts: 2477
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2014, 12:30:05 AM »
Speaking of students. I wish the student section wasn't on the east side. It's stupid. Give them a small section on the west side, preferably by the tunnel where the team comes out. Marketing department sucks and we all know it. They all need fired. I can find a man off the street that does the same job as they do! It's embarrassing...... The team deserves better than this. Unreal, 7-2 and on the verge of the playoffs and we draw 1,000 people.

So you want the football coach fired, men's basketball coach fired, and marketing staff gone? Take a deep breath and think before you type. Words have meaning.

I love Wolf, never said wanted him fired. Hope he stays a long time! Mr. Slocum is a whole other issue for another day ;) I know exactly what I'm typing, don't worry about me.

Offline Penguin Nation

  • Emperor Penguin
  • *****
  • Posts: 1509
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2014, 12:39:38 AM »
The so-called "true fans" are already there.  If you want to fill the stands, than you have to get the fair weather fans that are so despised here.  It does no good to just lament about the lack of loyalty to YSU, or to admonish a "fan" who is wearing Buckeyes apparel (not a good way to win them over).

One win over SDSU does not undo well over a decade of neglect of the YSU FB program.  It may take a few years and several big wins to convince the locals that YSU FB is the best show in town. 

Wolford is a entertaining guy.  Add his non-conformity to some eye-opening wins and folks will become interested.

Meanwhile, the Marketing department should look at everything...gameday experience....halftime entertainment....team entrance on the field......student involvement....working the local media....promotions..advertising...etc...may have to resort to gimmickry until the winning tradition rebuilds.  Make it more than a FB game....add non-football fun.....


"These two cats that we played against from Youngstown State were as good of pass rushers as I've seen"

--WVU Head Coach Dana Holgorsen

Offline YSUGO

  • Global Moderator
  • Emperor Penguin
  • *****
  • Posts: 3433
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2014, 04:08:29 AM »
I saw alot of good posts on this thread.  I hope JT and the powers to be take a long hard look on what they can do to increase attendance. I agree the league doesnt energize the fan base.   I agree the marketing department doesnt market the athletic teams very well.  I agree this is a High school football area.  It just makes me sad I love my school, It has given me opportunities  after I graduated and I have stayed and believe in the Valley...I love tailgating...I guess I am a fool to feel this way. 
A Penguin for life!!!

Offline penguinpower

  • Emperor Penguin
  • *****
  • Posts: 2880
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2014, 06:14:06 AM »
The so-called "true fans" are already there.  If you want to fill the stands, than you have to get the fair weather fans that are so despised here.  It does no good to just lament about the lack of loyalty to YSU, or to admonish a "fan" who is wearing Buckeyes apparel (not a good way to win them over).

One win over SDSU does not undo well over a decade of neglect of the YSU FB program.  It may take a few years and several big wins to convince the locals that YSU FB is the best show in town. 

Wolford is a entertaining guy.  Add his non-conformity to some eye-opening wins and folks will become interested.

Meanwhile, the Marketing department should look at everything...gameday experience....halftime entertainment....team entrance on the field......student involvement....working the local media....promotions..advertising...etc...may have to resort to gimmickry until the winning tradition rebuilds.  Make it more than a FB game....add non-football fun.....

You are correct in what you are saying on all of your points , however, as I am trying to point out and Wick is supporting to some extent, is that if our fan base, which claims to know football, really had a clue those stands would be filled.   

How is it that a high school game gets the same stadium packed the night beforehand?   The high school teams don't offer tailgating experience,  it does offer the sale of merchandise, consumption of adult beverages,  or even half of the concessions that are offered.  If you attend to see the band, well the band's are not not nearly as good as YSU's band, and there is absolutely no comparison to the level and brand of football played at YSU.  You know what is even better yet? 

While nearly every fair weather fan watched the buckeyes pummel an opponent that YSU would now take to the woodshed (with more playing experience and a different qb), they were probably smug and happy that the buckeyes won setting up a showdown with Michigan State (which by the way Dantonio and Narduzzzi are going to smash the poor coaching staff of Urban Meyer and end the season of another Ohio state qb). Seriously that is the best the big 10 has to offer?  A prime time game with those 2 teams?  That's like watching Mooney or Ursuline beat the little sisters of the poor. 

I know many on here don't like the conference affiliation and the distance of our opponents,  however,  we play in the best league in the FCS.  It is highly likely that the National Championship goes through our teams and the parody of our teams is second to none top to bottom of the league (and you can compare that to the Southeastern Conference the pac-12 the big 12 and the ACC as well as all other FCS leagues). 

People in the Mahoning valley think they are educated football fans when in fact they are not.  All they know is North Dakota State and there is some other news....they can be beaten by other MVFC teams and YSU is capable of being one of those.  How is that not more interesting than  watching a mismatch on prime time tv?

Then there are all of the ********s in the community that schedule basket weaving activities among other things during YSU games.   Those morons should be chastised in the local paper because that is the only way to make that bullsh** stop.  Halloween was on Friday.  Do Halloween on Halloween, do your craft show on Sunday after church you've got an obligation as a community to support your football team and if you attend a high school game over a YSU game you are a sorry sack of sh**.  There are no acceptable excuses if you are able to attend high school games then there is no good reason you can't attend YSU's game.  Do you think that happens at our other league schools?   The answer is no. They consistently fill the stands. 

We have "reported attendance" numbers not tickets sold but rather tickets given away.  Oh and by the way tickets are not free.  The Mahoning valley people were trained like Pavlov's dog and think all tickets are free because the scam artist gave away free Youngstown Pride tickets and conditioned their dumb asses.  Pay for a freaking ticket.  It is some good entertainment for a few dollars that will go toward making your team a contender every year. 

I guess the marketing department needs to put the dots really close together with single digit numbers for the Mahoning Valley.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2014, 06:47:32 AM by penguinpower »

Offline guinpen

  • Global Moderator
  • Emperor Penguin
  • *****
  • Posts: 4285
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2014, 08:19:02 AM »
Announced attendance today...... 8,274 LOL

This number is tickets sold not butts in seats, every college does this so nothing special here. I would guess that there were around 3000 or so folks at the game. Hard to tell how many are in the loges.
“Life is hard, it’s harder if you're stupid” - John Wayne

Offline BarstoolCleveland

  • Rock Hopper Penguin
  • *
  • Posts: 26
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2014, 08:32:11 AM »
The marketing department and basketball coach are all good people/workers. However people who call for their jobs before the season starts are not very good people.

Offline gbs20

  • Humboldt Penguin
  • **
  • Posts: 61
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2014, 08:39:30 AM »
1.  Akron is offering a drawing for free tuition for spring semester to try to entice students to their upcoming Tuesday game.  Attendence at MAC and lower levels of D1/1AA football is in the same ball park as YSU.

2.   People have no obligation spend their money or time on any form of entertainment.  They spend both on what they like given their resources or circumstances. 

3.   The 90s arent coming back. There are so many "stay at home" possibilities that it takes a major attraction to get people out. Look at how movie attendence has changed. The Indians have had competitive teams for two years, but their attendance stinks.

4.  Maybe its time to revise expectations.




Offline penguinpower

  • Emperor Penguin
  • *****
  • Posts: 2880
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2014, 08:47:19 AM »
1.  Akron is offering a drawing for free tuition for spring semester to try to entice students to their upcoming Tuesday game.  Attendence at MAC and lower levels of D1/1AA football is in the same ball park as YSU.

2.   People have no obligation spend their money or time on any form of entertainment.  They spend both on what they like given their resources or circumstances. 

3.   The 90s arent coming back. There are so many "stay at home" possibilities that it takes a major attraction to get people out. Look at how movie attendence has changed. The Indians have had competitive teams for two years, but their attendance stinks.

4.  Maybe its time to revise expectations.

Stay at home possibilities are no excuse. Teams like Northern Iowa, North Dakota State,  South Dakota State, South Dakota,  Missouri State, Illinois State, Southern Illinois,  have way more fans than we do.  I watch it on TV every away game. This is not an excuse because if they're doing it we should be doing it and that doesn't consider the fact that we have a better football team than most of them.  It's about priority and if the priority is attending a high school football game over a college football game you have problems; I'll go as far as to say small town losers go to the high school football games and live in the past.  However, if you follow your high school football team and you support the Penguins you have a pass on that stereotype.  However, if you attend your high school game and don't attend the Youngstown State game and you live in the valley shame on you.  You are a small town mental midget.

And people spend their money on entertainment.  If you call high school football games entertainment, then look there.  Plenty of money being spent there.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2014, 09:01:25 AM by penguinpower »

Offline penguinpower

  • Emperor Penguin
  • *****
  • Posts: 2880
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2014, 09:04:18 AM »
Here is the proof:


ATTENDANCE
Home Avg   Away Avg   Neutral Avg   Total attend Avg
Illinois State  5-52339 10468   3-24329 8110   0-0 0   8-76668 9584
Indiana State  5-29052 5810   4-82598 20650   0-0 0   9-111650 12406
Missouri State  3-46141 15380   6-97184 16197   0-0 0   9-143325 15925
North Dakota St.  5-94253 18851   4-84311 21078   0-0 0   9-178564 19840
Northern Iowa  4-52051 13013   5-108902 21780   0-0 0   9-160953 17884
South Dakota  4-36598 9150   5-115646 23129   0-0 0   9-152244 16916
South Dakota St.  4-51778 12944   5-110406 22081   0-0 0   9-162184 18020
Southern Illinois  5-49338 9868   4-72321 18080   0-0 0   9-121659 13518
Western Illinois  5-25369 5074   4-135082 33770   0-0 0   9-160451 17828
Youngstown State  6-75027 12504   3-62932 20977   0-0 0   9-137959 15329
Totals 46-511946 11129   43-893711 20784   0-0 0   89-1405657 15794   


I would say that we have had 1 game with half as many people reported.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2014, 09:07:08 AM by penguinpower »

Offline seanbryan3

  • Royal Penguin
  • ***
  • Posts: 198
  • 18 hours away and faithful.
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2014, 09:04:30 AM »
Of course you dont care about the Dakotas they are not our team, YSU is our team THAT's who we care about THAT's why we go to the games because its our team playing. And it doesnt matter if they are playing Notre Dame or Notre Dame on Lake Erie ( look it up).  The problem is we dont have real football fans here, they are sheep dazzled by"big time football" but they really dont love football or their local teams . They are motivated by a  need to be part of something bigger and larger (ie the Columbus State buckeyes ) and sadly most never set foot on that campus as a student. Fans , real fans dont need to be sold a "product" the love of a team is either there or it isnt. Todays turnout was pathetic and embarrassing. This team deserves better than this. Ive been following YSU since 1966 and missed about a half dozen home games during that time. There will always be a core of true fans who really do love the game and their team and who will show up win or lose no matter who we are playing.

Well said! The team does deserve much better. It is embarrassing sometimes. This week is a big a one, win or lose this week there should be a better size crowd for the game against Indiana State as #1 it is the final home game of the year #2 it is a senior day and #3 it is a game that will hold play implications. If the Guins win this saturday, that game against Indiana State could hold implications for a potential first round playoff bye. Support would be nice from the fans.. All the players deserve, but in the same breathe I think it's safe to say that most the players on this football team probably know that the Youngstown Community can be very fare weather, (and we can't blame OSU for the lack of attendance). And if people do not attend the game because they may not like Wolford, or Montgomery or some stupid reason like that, shame on them as well. As far as weather conditions...Shiit what the hell do we expect to play in on saturdays? We all have lived here in this Northern part of the country for ever, we act like this rain, cold and snow is something new, we've been dealing with the crap conditions forever. Sorry to rant, just would like to see a larger turn out against Indiana State in another week.  fb Let's Go Guins! Hey, it's a good day, we're 7-2! Adjustments were made heading into that fourth quarter and the players turned it up!
"Consistency is better than rare moments of greatness" Let's Go Guins!

Offline seanbryan3

  • Royal Penguin
  • ***
  • Posts: 198
  • 18 hours away and faithful.
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2014, 09:08:02 AM »
Here is the proof:


ATTENDANCE
Home Avg   Away Avg   Neutral Avg   Total attend Avg
Illinois State  5-52339 10468   3-24329 8110   0-0 0   8-76668 9584
Indiana State  5-29052 5810   4-82598 20650   0-0 0   9-111650 12406
Missouri State  3-46141 15380   6-97184 16197   0-0 0   9-143325 15925
North Dakota St.  5-94253 18851   4-84311 21078   0-0 0   9-178564 19840
Northern Iowa  4-52051 13013   5-108902 21780   0-0 0   9-160953 17884
South Dakota  4-36598 9150   5-115646 23129   0-0 0   9-152244 16916
South Dakota St.  4-51778 12944   5-110406 22081   0-0 0   9-162184 18020
Southern Illinois  5-49338 9868   4-72321 18080   0-0 0   9-121659 13518
Western Illinois  5-25369 5074   4-135082 33770   0-0 0   9-160451 17828
Youngstown State  6-75027 12504   3-62932 20977   0-0 0   9-137959 15329
Totals 46-511946 11129   43-893711 20784   0-0 0   89-1405657 15794

Tough chart to follow, but numbers speak. No reason for our attendance to be piss poor. It aggravates me as well when I watch the away games and see the size of their crowds. SDSU had a crap facility, and my brother said the crowd was great, and a large crowd to play in front of.
"Consistency is better than rare moments of greatness" Let's Go Guins!

Offline gbs20

  • Humboldt Penguin
  • **
  • Posts: 61
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2014, 09:31:56 AM »
Looking at the chart, YSU is above the league average and higher attendence than five teams.  Two, that are above YSU have indoor stadiums. Northern Iowa, NDSU, SDSU have much larger student residential populations. NDSU and SDSU are the Ohio States of their respective states. There is also less competition for live sports entertainment and their games are events. 

Trying to explain is not making excuses and if someone likes something that you dont like, they are not stupid.

Offline FOOTBALLFEVER

  • Emperor Penguin
  • *****
  • Posts: 980
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2014, 09:58:22 AM »
This is definitely a head scratcher for me considering the quality of talent Y.S.U. is fielding and the strength of conference  foes. I just think to much of the fan base is living in the past and not in the present. Even though the population has declined around y-town since the J.T. Era that's not the problem. Y.S.U. crowds came from all around northeast and western pa. Back then. The next 3 games and possible playoff run would do wonders for bringing the fan base back..but it shouldn't have to come to that. I really like this team and feel they are set to make a strong run. Yesterday's game was a good learning tool for the team and I think it will be helpful down the stretch.

Offline gbs20

  • Humboldt Penguin
  • **
  • Posts: 61
    • View Profile
Re: No butts in the seats and tailgate lot was just as bad!
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2014, 10:09:19 AM »
Thats what it would take and it will take consistency.  Last year they had two chances to reengage the fan base and got blown out both games in embarrassing fashion.  I went to both games and invited relatives who had to drive over two hours to go with me.   During the Heacock semi final run, the fan base was energized but they didnt build on that momentum.  Its hard to get people back once they have left.