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go guins:
" until then they should banned."
Because you want a dictatorship? Democracy is obsolete? I couldn't disagree more.
"All of the higher-level courts ban them from most any activity when challenged ...debates, forums, etc.."
That simply is NOT true. You sound like Paladin, just making sh** up!
"What choices did they give American's this year? The media loves Trump"
1AA, you do realize that is a fair election a couple years ago we voted to keep smoking that stuff illegal?
"Libertarian platform is as anti-American as it gets."
Yes Paladin #2, and you can demonstrate that by noting what planks in their platform?
IAA Fan:
We are not simply a democracy. Our form of government is a socialist democracy, with the type (or format) being BI-partisan. It is the type of government that determines policy. Yes, I am not an idiot, I understand reality and the fact that most of the time bi-partisanship is not a mature and harmonious pursuit of lofty ideals ... rather a model for lack of accomplishment; but it does suggest an attempt by our founders to have something beyond the worthless stalemate of a confederation that was known as the British parliament. Yet even England, after experiencing the total destruction of the British Commonwealth, Made an attempt to become a bi-partisan government back in the 1920's, under the Labour and Conservative parties. Why support additional parties and permit their lack of required representation?
Libertarian is a really a confederate form of government that is considered non-partisan. The power is is divided by areas/regions (such as the states, cities and other districts in America). A true libertarian believes that the central form of government exists only to support these areas. The problem is that under a libertarian form of government, the central (what we call federal) government is too weak to truly support it's individual areas. Aside from the fall of the British Commonwealth, look at the Confederate States of America. Confederacies (I am including libertarian governments here) can never get enough power to tax (or create wealth), so they cannot even defend themselves. Confederate nations go to war as individual states armies, instead of one national force. This is fine if you are protecting yourself from enemies within, but not from an attack outside. Look how Sana Ana conquered most of US Southwest.
I do apologize for my age, as since the 2004 elections, the courts have been kinder to 3rd-parties, but Go Guins, you claim to be older, so surely you remember Ralph Nader and his fight all the way to the US supreme court in 2000? Prior to 2004, almost no infringement by 3rd-parties was permitted ...as our courts acknowledged our nation's fundamental design. Since around 2000, liberals in the US government have sought to redistrict our courts, forcing a political dependency on our legal system that is not acceptable ..at least at the lower-levels (common pleas) where guilt or innocence is determined. The US is 10-years away from divided by court districts with the supreme court exercising law ...as opposed to determining it.
AS to the Libertarian platform, it is a vague and useless as any other, but here are some specifics they dropped in that I find un-American, unconstitutional and illegal:
1. The abolition of all banking control at any government or agency level. Although I am certainly no fan of the federal reserve, I believe in true value …so much so that want the US back on a standard (i.e.: silver). Yet is it not ironic that libertarians feel the government should provide for any financial disasters. Typical libertarian, give me services, but I owe you no taxes to pay for them.
2. Their platform added complete freedom of expression (unlimited) back in 2000, which is why Nader switched to the green party. This includes child porn and the elimination of any media rating system.
3. The abolition of the department of Energy.
4. They add a platform just last year to end operations of war, which although I do not agree with, I can respect. Then they add a ridiculous quote calling for the closure of all US military bases on foreign soil. Which I guess is fine if you feel your nation will never go to war against another nation.
5. They believe in military as a defense only and solely provided to America. Then when questioned, they agree that the US should be part of the allied league of nations. Which makes no sense.
I do realize that today a party is just a means to get elected, but people should be educated on what they vote for. Do you realize that the language in the libertarian platform actually used “Obamacare” and “Romneycare”? That’s real intellectual. They are both socialized medicine.
Don't get me wrong, I would champion many ideas in their platform, but I favor a strong central government, with distributed authority to the state and local governments.
Penguin Nation:
The actual LP platform:
https://www.lp.org/platform
If I could condense it, it would be this: self-ownership. You own yourself. No one owns you. You don't own anyone. You don't have a rightful claim on anyone or their property. No one has a rightful claim on you or your property.
Stemming from that is the non-aggression principle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
These principles stem from the Enlightenment, where writers such as Locke, Montesquieu, and de Tocqueville (and many more), proposed the (at the time) absurd notion that humans are equal and have natural rights, and challenged the "Divine Right of Kings."
Today we have unfortunately regressed to a pre-Enlightment mentality. So much so that many people cannot comprehend theories such as "self-ownership."
So to argue against Libertarian philosophy is to argue against non-aggression and self-ownership.
How has a non-Libertarian government performed? Let's look:
Domestically: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
That clock is a time bomb, FYI.
Internationally: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/greatest-threat-world-peace-country_n_4531824.html
The DSP and GOP have collectively caused such immense harm that a half awake public would never fathom casting a vote for them ever again.
Anyway, 1AA, I'm not going to address each point directly, except fot your last. But we now have a "strong central government." How is that working out? Do you think it needs to be stronger still?
My suggestion would be to consider the power of the free markets, which is something we've not had for a century in the US due to regulation, licensing, taxation, and the Fed.
IAA Fan:
Nation, I strongly agree in the free market system, but with the loss of Christianity in the American business world, true capitalism is gone. People in the US today think only about getting "their piece of the pie" ...as opposed to the true capitalist principles of increased product quality, lower product prices and mass distribution. This has zero to do with the federal government, or any government for that matter.
PS: Why would you quote Wikipedia and the laughable Huffington Post? :) you don't sound that left to me? Every time I hear that moronic woman I see the bear's wife from "The Cleveland Show".
Our issue's today stem from the individual's mistaken thoughts that the federal government is designed to represent them ...which I think goes part and parcel to what you are trying to say. Our forefather's had brilliant views on separation of powers and the branches of government; we have gotten away from it.
You and I are on the same side in this one. I am just not willing to divest away from our need to remain bi-partisan. You should encourage this man to run for the red party & support him.
I agree that we need agency reform ...which includes the fed. I also feel strongly in the old Steve Forbes flat tax plan ...flat taxes on all income, all purchases, the only exceptions being income from government investment grade bonds targeted for debt reduction. Forbes is a very smart man and America missed a chance to have a real quality businessman in the white-house.
Penguin Nation:
1AA---
I don't care for Arriana Huffington either, at all, but she reports on things the MSM does not, such as:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-considine/us-depleted-uranium-as-ma_b_3812888.html
The MSM censors information to the extent that it is propaganda. You could follow MSM 24/7/365 and become so indoctrinated that you are less informed (actually misinformed) than if you never followed the news at all. In addition to Huff Po, the Guardian, Intercept, Daily Mail, and Independent are good sources of non-filtered actual news...including news about large scale war crimes that you and I are funding:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/toxic-legacy-of-us-assault-on-fallujah-worse-than-hiroshima-2034065.html
The MSM coverage of the Orlando Massacre is particularly atrocious.
The GOP wants to double down on US genocide overseas, which actually creates more terrorists, rather than making anyone safer. Cruz promised to, "turn the sand into glass." Trump vowed to, "bomb the sh** out of them." The Dems are just as bad. Obama escalated drone bombings and has intervened in more countries than Bush. It's lunacy, its counterproductive, its unaffordable, its immoral, and therefore I can't support either party.
If you like Steve Forbes, then maybe you'd also like Gary Johnson, who started a handyman business that grew into a major corporation. Governor Johnson knows what its like to start and grow a business. He was in the GOP until 2012 but like Dr. Ron Paul or his son Rand, really just don't fit into the GOP socially conservative/big government template. Gary is not perfect, and wasn't my first choice for the LP nomination, but geez, he is the only sane choice compared to Trump and Clinton.
Agree true capitalism is long gone.....which is why it is funny when SJW's blame capitalism for anything.
I think the flat tax is an improvement, but I would prefer elimination of the income tax and replace it with either an indirect tax (like a VAT) or a consumption tax. I moved from MN (7.5% income tax!) to FL (no income tax), and now I am able to keep so much more of the $$ I labor for, and fiscally FL is doing reasonable well. I still have family in Ytown, who are paying both a state and city income tax. Insane! Any income tax is a penalty/fine for working....which is a counterproductive and bizarre public policy. You want to encourage productivity/GDP growth....everything stems from that. Gary Johnson is the only candidate favoring elimination of the income tax.
Anyway...I'm hoping Trump and Clinton won't steal too many votes from the real candidate.....Gary Johnson. :D
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