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South Dakota State is curb stomping Albany. We are better than Albany. What a s*** show

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Haha.  Lots to think about in this thread. Someone just said this board is hating.  We can’t do that!!!  Palladian and nation have been calling this the cheerleader board for far too long.

Tressel, attendance, the 90’s OH MY!!! To be clear on some of the posts, Heacock got us in the playoffs once in ‘06.   The Wolf couldn’t win in November let alone win enough to make the playoffs.

Funny how no one mentions big BP much. You talk sooo much about kids coaching kids but fail to remember what HIS staff consisted of.  Maybe it’s NOT about inexperienced staff or the lack of money but rather, we just haven’t found another Tressel. Hate to break it to ya…we probably wont. JT, attendance AND the 90’s were an anomaly.  Not likely to happen again.  Look at the crumble happening in NDSU.  And look at the attendance at Nova. If memory serves me, I heard 5k fans?  And what did we have the week before, 3,500?  Man…that’s a helluva margin.  What’s that tell you?  ITS. NOT. JUST. YSU. And who said NDSU attendance is even falling? And they’re only a COUPLE years removed from their dynasty.

Hate to break THIS to you also.  IF we happen to be ranked top 10 this year, I’d say that’s not too shabby, actually. 

Look, I get it…I want to be a power house. I wish the 90’s never happened as even I want that again. 

I’d say, be satisfied with the very small incremental progress we have made over the last few years and go to church.  Cuz ain’t too many more flags gonna be hung without some prayer and another anomaly.

Go GUINS!!!

NDSU isn't selling out their games this year after their losses. It's a fact. Maytthat changes with playoffs


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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: YSU and the Portal
« on: December 12, 2023, 04:20:35 PM »
Dude, the 93 and 94 teams were littered with legit D1 players that either stayed home or transferred back. Tressel worked that like a master. There probably aren’t more than a small handful of kids on the current roster that could have played for those teams. FCS 2023 is D2 when compared to 1AA in the 90s

Very few were NFL. But some of the best lineman from that era never made it to the NFL.  We've had more in the last 10 years. For example:

Matt Hogg was 6-5 305 lb and played overseas
Harry Deligianis was 6-4 305 llb and played a few years in arena ball and overseas.

So please explain your point.  What am I missing?

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: ndsu coach
« on: December 12, 2023, 09:22:34 AM »
All about money and opportunity. Per yahoo report he is making $400k at NDSU. Gotta be more at USC. And he’s getting a step up in the coaching ranks by moving from the minor leagues to the majors.

And the natives are restless.  They haven't beaten SDSU in the last 5 games.  They fell as if they've watched their dynasty pass them.  Attendance is heading south too. 

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: YSU and the Portal
« on: December 12, 2023, 09:20:18 AM »
BB rushed for 129 YDS on 28 attempts for a 4.6 yds average and 3 TD's. Passed for 108 yds 14-20 with 1 INT.

Hell, King only averaged 5.4 yds per rush.

So, we can conclude that his rushing numbers are decent considering everybody including Stevie Wonder knew he was running the ball as he entered the game. Passing was 70% completion rate in a limited role throwed into a game.

Bottom line: I'm hoping he's cut from cloth his dad is (best QB ever to play at YSU) and be a winner without the crazy record-breaking stats that hasn't won sh** from the previous QB's everyone went gaga for!

Transfer portal project QB will be a disgrace and hopefully we'll see BB hit the xfer portal.

So that I understand you correctly, basically what you're saying is that you don't need an unbelievable QB.  You can win with people that have grit, a will to win, and can manage the game well. Most of Tressel's QB's were game managers and weren't asked to do too much.  As long as the team around the QB is excellent, it's less of a concern.

That correct?

While I think that's what you're conveying, I do think it will be more difficult to recruit to an elite level at every position, more so today than in previous decades due to many of the rule changes etc. I think what you're saying can be done, but not preferable.  The size of the OL and DL in today's FCS game is much different than when Tressel was in the FCS, and there weren't teams that had a collection of that size across the entire LOS like the best teams today.  The 2023 version of the Penguins is athletically superior to both the 93 and 94 teams that won it all.

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Let's not forget that Tressel, with the exception of Ken Connatzer (sp?) and veteran high school coach Bob Stoops, had a very young coaching staff. Some of these guys advanced to become prominent head coaches and coordinators. And that was an era when P5 assistants were not making too much more money than IAA head coaches.

The issue is not that Phillips has a young staff; the issue is does he have the right staff? Can these guys grow into good coaches and move on, to be replaced by the next generation of ambitious young men? Right now I feel that the problem with our defensive coaches is not their youth but rather their basic competence. You can't evolve in your profession if you lack the ability to be in that profession.

I have the same observation, especially when the DE's lose containment.  Either the players are being lazy or the coaches aren't teaching them.  Schematic breakdowns are in the coaches in my book.

To your point, Tressel made it to YSU in 1985 (I think). Back then he didn't have the transfer portal, but he was able to make it to the playoffs in 1990 I believe.  We lost in the playoffs in 1990 and it wasn't until 1991 that we won it all.  6 years is what it took him.  The best team being 1994.  It took Tressel 9 years to reach the pinnacle and we still didn't win with the consistency that NDSU has demonstrated.  We only won a few games in 1996 before winning it all in 97. 

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Where do we belong in the top 25 (this year)?

Not even in. Get the blinders off. My gosh look how much NDSU improved in the last half of the season, they became the best team in the country & reputation is the only thing that got them in the play-off. Just as YSU did in the 90's when we played such light schedules and lost to any decent team played in the regular season. The upper-end Big Sky and CAA teams are clearly a step above us (Idaho, Montana, MSU, Nova & Albany). We were not going to beat Villanova & next year they will be playing with more future CUSA players that are even better. Look at all the FBS teams adding Villanova to their schedule

Nova lost to SDSU 23-12 OUT WEST, while YSU could not even manage a score against SDSU in a 34-0 loss AT HOME. We will not compete until we have the players.

I assume that you are kidding and just trying to spur some debate.

He's serious. Needs to lay off the crack pipe.

The wind was a major factor in the SDSU vs Villanova game. The wind limited the throwing of both teams. Villanova has better line play than YSU.  YSU has a comparable passing game.  Nova has better defensive coaches, probably a better collection of LB's and a better DL.  YSU had better athletes in the secondary, but they have bad coaching and ZERO pressure from the DL to help the coverage (when they got the coverage correctly handled).

In 2023 YSU is between #9 and #18.  It could be argued a lot of different ways.  But >20 is a crack induced response.  NDSU is going to get their ass handed to them by SDSU, who is clearly the best team in the nation

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Where do we belong in the top 25 (this year)?

Not even in. Get the blinders off. My gosh look how much NDSU improved in the last half of the season, they became the best team in the country & reputation is the only thing that got them in the play-off. Just as YSU did in the 90's when we played such light schedules and lost to any decent team played in the regular season. The upper-end Big Sky and CAA teams are clearly a step above us (Idaho, Montana, MSU, Nova & Albany). We were not going to beat Villanova & next year they will be playing with more future CUSA players that are even better. Look at all the FBS teams adding Villanova to their schedule

Nova lost to SDSU 23-12 OUT WEST, while YSU could not even manage a score against SDSU in a 34-0 loss AT HOME. We will not compete until we have the players.


Don't smoke crack

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: ndsu coach
« on: December 11, 2023, 08:51:56 AM »
Seems that NDSU's head coach is leaving to be the linebackers coach at USC. Surprises me a bit, no doubt the money will be a big step up!

They are worried they are losing their dynasty.  The players have openly stated that they don't have the same levels of talent they has a few years ago in press conferences.  They've probably given Entz an ultimatum, leave or be fired.

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Hard to upgrade a coaching staff while paying very low salaries. No seasoned coach is coming here for $50k. You get what you pay for. During the Nova game they showed YSU coaches in the press box. They were all in their 20s if appeared. Maybe good coaches with potential
, but that was eye opening

I totally agree.  Kids coaching kids.  He's got to develop coaches AND players at the same time.  I've been trying to say this all year but it has fallen on deaf ears.  I will say it again, if you want better assistant coaches, then put up the money for YSU to get them.

By the way I see that I have several spelling errors in my last post including the word "weeker" vs weaker. The phone I use is inconsistent in when it applies spell checker. Not sure why some sites it is used and others it isn't, but I am pretty sure I typed "weaker".


Nova has a nice OL and seasoned coaches.  YSU was mismatched with lesser coaching and that's why they were blown out.

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Process of elimination. We were better than every team except for the playoff participants from the MVFC, Big Sky, and CAA.

We were better than Sacramento State and Idaho, but inferior to Montana and Montana State.

We were better than Richmond and Delaware, but inferior to Albany and Villanova.

We were vastly inferior to SDSU and NDSU.

We were better than North Dakota, the most overrated team in our conference.

That leaves SIU, South Dakota, and UNI. The latter two beat us so I guess that I will place us below them. But UNI was terrible by the end of the year.

I would place us in position #9.


I also think we are 9 or 10.  I did a similar analysis.  If YSU is truly 9th in 2023, it would mean ysu is in the 93rd percentile of all teams in the FCS.  If YSU is 10th the team ends up in the 92nd percentile of all FCS teams.

Paladin correctly predicted this earlier this year and he had the wherewithal to closely predict our regular season record in the MVFC. People here don't have to like the message, but the guy is correct.  I hate this censorship crap. We would be fortunate to have him back here.

Now I think we can be critical since the season is over.


1. Does Phillips deserve to remain head coach?  My answer is YES! The question for me is has he reached his ceiling? Is this the best we can do with Phillips?
2.we definitely have to address the defensive play. For me it's less about the players (unless you're talking about the DL) and more about the coaching and scheme. You can't leave your secondary on an island when you can't get pressure from the DL.  We have to upgrade the DL.  The loss of Howard is going to hurt on defense.  He was the best LB we had.
3. Do we need to upgrade the defensive coaches?

I think Phillips has the program going in the right direction.  Now that he's achieved the playoffs, in 3-4 years depending how you count the COVID year, I think people can back off a bit with criticismsnI see all over this board.

The real question is if Phillips is another Heacock. Keep in mind Heacock only made the playoffs a couple times in a weeker Missouri Valley/Gateway conference. The difference between Philips and Heacock is that Phillips is a far better recruiter overall.

You win with players. It's a lot more difficult to improve from the 92nd percentile to the 99th. The amount of effort required is much higher in both recruiting and coaching.


But we are once again better than 90% of the FCS.





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Where do we belong in the top 25 (this year)?

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Im not gonna say DP is THE guy, because I don’t know if he is. But please stop with the “principal” or “plenty of D2/3 coaches” crap. You’re making yourselves look silly.  You act like we never went 33-28 over 4 years, and 21-24 in 4 of 5 years, or lost to Butler with not just a D2 high school principal, BUT rather a POWER 5 coach.  By your logic, we should have had 4-star recruits and back to back championships from 2014-2019 with said-type of coach.  Except, we had ALL of that.  And last I checked, BP doesn’t have an education degree nor did he ever coach at the D2/2 level.

Nice post.

I agree.

We should finish in the top 16 this year.  Let's say we finish 16th.  That puts us in the 88th percentile of all FCS teams.  We weren't competitive a few years ago. 


One last thing......I have a lot of respect for Bob Hannon's take with regard to FCS football.  He's exceptionally knowledgeable.  He not a casual fan by any means.  If you listen to his broadcasts he hints to everyone the talent depth and future of YSU football under Phillips and most of it is positive.

Everyone here should have known that when we played teams like USD and SDSU (both of them are still playing in the final 8) we were unable to get pressure on their QB and as a result they had all day to throw and make our defense look incompetent.  We are a couple of players away and another year of development away from fixing this issue.  I didn't understand how people can think you flip a switch with a coach and you get the best team in the country that plays the way you remember in the 1990's.  It's going to take time to build it right.  And as I've said before, we've gotten better under Phillips every single year.

Good take.

Nobody "Makes Your Defense Look Incompetent". It is like a 100m run ... if the guy in the lane next to you is faster, all things being equal, he will win. Likewise if the team that you are playing is better ...they will win. We had a good runner stumble against us (SIU) and we think we are "the stuff". I mean, what else did we do this season?We had a handful of good players make good plays. The problem was that Villanova's entire team was better than ours. I said that I would give Phillips another year, with the COVID season and I will. Let's start another thread with what you see for 2024 and beyond.


I guarantee you that if you had better defensive coaches and a better DL we would have been able to stop every team. When your  DE's crash and lose cosntain it has nothing  to do with how how fast you run. 

When you don't have the athletes to get after a QB and you give them all day to throw, it doesn't matter how good your defensive backs are, they will get burned. 


You can slow very good teams with marginal athletes if they're playing together you can be a competent but outmatched defense., but when you make mistakes and you don't have the athletes it spells disaster.

As I've said before, Phillips has a very challenging job because he has to develop coaches AND players with pennies.  He cannot draw the best coaches due to pay.  If someone wants to donate to the team and buy excellent assistants, you would have a much better team and Phillips would look like a genius.

Bottom line  is when you don't do the fundamentals you are incompetent

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Im not gonna say DP is THE guy, because I don’t know if he is. But please stop with the “principal” or “plenty of D2/3 coaches” crap. You’re making yourselves look silly.  You act like we never went 33-28 over 4 years, and 21-24 in 4 of 5 years, or lost to Butler with not just a D2 high school principal, BUT rather a POWER 5 coach.  By your logic, we should have had 4-star recruits and back to back championships from 2014-2019 with said-type of coach.  Except, we had ALL of that.  And last I checked, BP doesn’t have an education degree nor did he ever coach at the D2/2 level.

Nice post.

I agree.

We should finish in the top 16 this year.  Let's say we finish 16th.  That puts us in the 88th percentile of all FCS teams.  We weren't competitive a few years ago. 


One last thing......I have a lot of respect for Bob Hannon's take with regard to FCS football.  He's exceptionally knowledgeable.  He not a casual fan by any means.  If you listen to his broadcasts he hints to everyone the talent depth and future of YSU football under Phillips and most of it is positive.

Everyone here should have known that when we played teams like USD and SDSU (both of them are still playing in the final 8) we were unable to get pressure on their QB and as a result they had all day to throw and make our defense look incompetent.  We are a couple of players away and another year of development away from fixing this issue.  I didn't understand how people can think you flip a switch with a coach and you get the best team in the country that plays the way you remember in the 1990's.  It's going to take time to build it right.  And as I've said before, we've gotten better under Phillips every single year.

Good take.


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Why didn't they put Brungard in at the end to get him game experience throwing and not to run?  We do have alot coming back but the QB position is not good at all with Mitch leaving.   I think King may have another year from what I hear .   We battled but too much Villanova


There's no way that Brungard can be the starting quarterback and why is she remain competitive. He doesn't have the size.  I like the kid but I just don't think he's our guy.

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