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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: This site is dead
« on: July 12, 2018, 08:07:35 PM »
I keep hearing for 10 years that the MAC needs to move down.  Its not going to happen.   Sometimes I think we need to drop down to D2.

May not be a case of some low end 1A schools moving down but rather the upper end 1A schools moving further up. Separation none the less.

D2 is not an option

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: This site is dead
« on: July 10, 2018, 08:41:16 PM »
I would rather the Guins be in the MAC also.  It would be great to play Akron and Kent every year, but unfortunately the economics don't make it feasible.  We would need a very wealthy alumnus to shell out the additional 10 million a year that it would require.  I believe at some point the majority of MAC schools will be forced to drop down to FCS, but not sure when that will happen.

Spot on

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: season tickets
« on: July 10, 2018, 08:39:17 PM »
Had to move to the west side of the stadium for this year, the east side will be closed for construction.

Did they give you a discount for having to move?

Gave us chair back seats, we can switch to other seats if we do not like them. Will hold our old seats on the eats side for us.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: season tickets
« on: July 08, 2018, 07:26:45 PM »
I am ok with a 2 start, would prefer 1 for EVERY game. Allows me to do things before and after the game. I dislike 4 and really really really hate 7.

Visitors will be seated more to the freeway side of the stadium.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: season tickets
« on: July 06, 2018, 08:19:53 PM »
Had to move to the west side of the stadium for this year, the east side will be closed for construction.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / season tickets
« on: July 02, 2018, 09:01:49 PM »
Waited to he last minute but just ordered my 4.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Olde buddy Bertram
« on: May 29, 2018, 09:07:25 PM »

Lost in the fog of the primary election and the latest public corruption trial in the Mahoning Valley was an in-depth financial analysis of yearly spending on sports at Ohio’s 10 public universities that subsidize their athletic programs.

And what the numbers-crunching by Cleveland.com (the Cleveland Plain Dealer) reveals is a truism about higher education today: Spending priorities are skewed.

This isn’t just the opinion of a cynical, crusty old journalist who sees no joy in Mudville.

Twenty-eight years ago, one of the most popular and successful football coaches in the history of Youngstown State University warned that college athletic departments had no choice but to cut costs.

“We have to become more proactive instead of reactive,” said James P. Tressel, who coached at YSU from 1986 to 2000 and led teams to four national championships in Division I-AA.

Tressel’s comment was prompted by warnings he heard at the NCAA convention in Dallas and coaching convention in San Francisco about what was in store for athletic departments if they didn’t reduce spending.

Indeed, university presidents insisted that athletic departments demonstrate their commitment to cost-cutting measures.

“They sent their message loud and clear,” said Tressel, who went on to coach Ohio State University’s football team to a national championship and is now president of Youngstown State. “Either you make a decision or we will. The postscript to what they are saying, ‘You won’t like our decision.’ ”

Increased spending

But time has a way of dulling the sense of urgency, and so the analysis by Cleveland.com shows that annual spending on sports at the 10 public universities has shot up nearly $90 million since 2010.

How are the institutions paying for the increased costs? By sucking up even more dollars from non- athletic sources.

“There simply isn’t enough money from ticket sales and donors to pay the bills,” wrote reporter Rich Exner, whose exhaustive report should be required reading on college campuses.

Here are some eye-popping numbers: Total athletic spending at the 10 schools hit $292.2 million during the 2016-17 school year. That figure represents a 42 percent increase from the 2009-10 fiscal year.


And Exner has two more comparisons that should fuel the debate around the state: The increase in spending is more than triple the 12 percent increase in the Consumer Price Index during the same period; subsidies from student fees and other institutional support increased 42 percent from $127.9 million to $181.8 million.

The Cleveland.com analysis is replete with charts and graphs that offer a comparison of athletic spending at the 10 universities.

Before focusing on Youngstown State University’s story, let’s look at two charts for some insight into what’s happening on campuses.

The first is titled “Cost per student on campus to subsidize sports.” The numbers are based on student fees, other subsidies, and total campus enrollment.

Here’s the list: Wright State, $611; Kent State, $701; Ohio University, $736; Cleveland State, $796; University of Cincinnati, $870; Youngstown State, $991; Bowling Green, $1,011; Toledo, $1,167; Akron, $1,269; Miami, $1,332.

The second chart shows “Athletic expenses covered by ticket revenue.”

Here’s the list: Cleveland State, 0.9 percent; Wright State, 2.5 percent; Akron, 2.9 percent; Kent, 3.1 percent; Miami, 3.2 percent; Youngstown State, 3.3 percent; Ohio University, 3.6 percent; Toledo, 6 percent; Bowling Green, 8.2 percent; Cincinnati, 11.8 percent.

Now, let’s look at Exner’s analysis of Youngstown State, which has a long tradition of college sports.

In 2009-10, total cost of athletics was $11.8 million, with $8.4 million coming from university subsidies.

In 2016-17, the total cost of athletics was $15.4 million, with $10.4 million coming from university subsidies.

Let’s dig a little deeper to understand what’s going on at YSU.

In 2016-17, total spending on sports was $15,410,657; ticket revenue was $504,442; contributions from donors, $926,259.

Subsidies from student fees or other non-athletic sources were $10,401,241. That translates to 67 percent of athletic expenses, which amounts to $991 a year per student on campus.

There are 19 sports teams on campus with 331 athletes receiving scholarships from a pool of $4.67 million.

All those numbers are revealing and set the stage for a debate about athletics vs. academics.

But here are several expenditures in the Athletic Department that should awaken students and their parents from their slumber:

Coaching pay and benefits: $3,483,998.

Head football coach pay and benefits (the nationally renowned Bo Pelini): $377,775.

Head men’s basketball coach pay and benefits (Jerrod Calhoun): $294,062.

Head women’s basketball coach pay and benefits (John Barnes): $248,642.

Staff pay and benefits: $2,617,499.

It should be clear by now that with the future of Youngstown State and other public institutions of higher learning hanging in the balance, spending priorities are a major cause for concern.

It is no secret that lawmakers in Columbus are demanding a major restructuring of Ohio’s public universities and colleges to end duplication of academic programs and cut costs.

There also is a great deal of concern over the growing college student debt.

Last week on the Editorial Page, YSU President Tressel made the argument that a large majority of Ohioans recognize and appreciate the high-impact, high-value benefits of higher education.

But Tressel also conceded that student debt is a problem that he and members of his administration are working to address.

Given the amount of money being funneled to sports from nonathletic sources, it is clear that a campuswide discussion about spending priorities is timely and necessary.

As a final note, Ohio State isn’t included in the analysis because its athletic department is self-sustaining.

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So who do we want in the second round North Florida or Florida State?

Have a great trip ladies.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Campus Updates
« on: April 24, 2018, 06:10:30 PM »
Too bad, all sports should be played on campus.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Baseball Mourns Loss of Kevin Yarabinec
« on: April 17, 2018, 07:14:12 PM »
Just is not right, way too young.

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With the population shrinking in the Youngstown area, YSU will never have enough support to move up to the FBS.  We are closer to being D-2 than FBS.  Football is not what it was in the 90's and basketball is way below average.  It is what it is.  Even if both sports were promoted people will not attend.  The older loyal supporters are dying off and they have not been replaced.

I am fine staying in 1AA, I do not care for the league we are in. It started out ok but with WKU gone and the addition of the teams west of the Mississippi my interest in the league has waned. We all know that new league options are limited.

I think fans would respond better if we were playing some OHIO schools ( at 1AA ) but even then sellouts would be rare if ever again.

I think we have a chance to do something in BB yea the league now sucks, but the upside is that is will be easier for us to make the dance

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Akron was in a bowl game last year. Yea they got there a$$ kicked but they got exposure and if you think they would drop football after that really?.

Yeah must have been the Toilet Bowl. As far as the exposure they got, I guess I missed it. Really did not see that they were in a bowl game.

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I laugh at how we still act like YSU is way to good to be a MAC member.  News flash:  The MAC is not going to break up. 

Not sure if it will be a break-up but sooner or later the mac will be forced ( by money ) to make some changes

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The two YSU points for me are:

1. This is the 3rd MAC school with faculty, staff (now students) crying to drop football. YSU faculty has their athletic hating faculty like all academic institutions, but you don't hear all the screaming to drop football.

Do you mean actually drop football or to drop down a division.

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Unless the MAC becomes an FCS conference, which I think is completely reasonable from a financial perspective but these schools alumni’s pride won’t let that happen.

You are correct

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