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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: ticketgate

« on: December 26, 2016, 09:59:37 AM »

Just so everyone knows now, this particular thread is getting locked after Christmas. It is taking up far to much time and is cared about by too few people.

I'm a bison fan. You can check my IP address it's from Moorhead, MN. I use the same username on AGS, Bisonville, and I even have a little history with the Redbird fan on here on the ISU forum when I felt him and a few others were overly critical of their Department on other ticket stuff a couple years ago.

You and some others don't see anything wrong with how YSU handled this. However, you're doing your fanbase a disservice by deleting and locking threads on this issue. Myself (completely unbiased) and a few other YSU fans don't agree. I couldn't care less if you delete this or ban me or whatever, but let the conversation be had. Other Penguin fans can read and/or post and come to their own conclusion how they feel about how YSU handled this.

agreed as another outside objective poster. ISU 2014 made different mistakes with Frisco ticket buying, but responded immediately and made it right .. they put a positive spin on who incident, and no one cared, because they corrected their initial mistake. If Bison had won their semi, YSU fans would have deservedly been infinitely more outraged .. Bison would not be dumping all their tickets.

YSU Sports Admin needs to acknowledge mistakes were made .. and send JMU a big thank you for beating Bison .. or there would have been zero tickets available beyond the 1,000 they bought for all their high rollers.

Censorship is not the answer .. trust and confidence has been lost .. only answer is to own up to issue and learn from mistakes.

Regardless .. good luck to YSU .. ironically, this may be the intangible that Pellini uses to give his team the mental edge. Way to rep the Valley !!!

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Frisco tickets. .

« on: December 25, 2016, 04:36:56 PM »

This is link provided previously .. I had guessed maybe 15-16k adjusted capacity. But it did mention estimated capacity due to end zone reconstruction. Normally about 21k, will be just 18k for FCS championship. Good news for YSU fans, since estimates for JMU are currently around 10k .. don't be surprised if that number goes up.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/dec/21/ysu-sells-out-tickets-championship-game/?mobile

Wesley Lucas, communications manager for the Frisco Convention and Visitors Bureau, said capacity has changed over the past weeks due to construction, but on Jan. 7 Toyota Stadium should seat “about 18,000.”

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: ticketgate

« on: December 24, 2016, 03:47:32 PM »

So what Redbird ...just go away. You are obviously a fraud troll. Another one of Nations alter egos. If you want to wish us luck then do so in another thread, we could care less about your opinions. I do not go to your boards and discuss your administration.

I have been posting on Redbirds forum since 2010 under "fourthandshort" --- about 4500 posts in 7 years. I chose user name Redbird Fourthandshort on your fan forum so as to be fully transparent.

Didn't come here looking for a fight. My first post on other thread congratulated YSU on their success and wished them well. It was also to empathize and inform your fans of our somewhat similar experience.

I would assume most fans would appreciate knowing our experience and that reservation systems are a common solution for this very situation. And fact remains, as many others have pointed out, electronic tickets could be purchased risk free. There was no need to be concerned with over-commitment costing money. ISU Admin recovered very quickly from their initial mistake once our forum went ballistic ... these forums serve many purposes .. this should be one such purpose .. for fans to be heard. Our Admin and Coaches monitor our board for feedback ... even the complainers .. its a good thing for program for fans to speak their mind.

Truth be told, our Sports Admin tried to put a spin on their oversight and act like it was all good from beginning. But regardless of their spin, bottom line, they responded by fixing the problem because our fan board went nuts ... a good thing in my mind.

Regardless of the ticket buying fiasco for YSU, but now even moreso because of it, all of Redbird Nation is rooting for YSU. And I hope you get a lot fans there to support the team.

Someone should set up threads and report back to let people know activity levels on the main secondary market websites: NCAA, Stubhub, Ebay, etc ...  Keep track of ticket counts and average ticket prices. Think of it like the stock market and your looking to buy low .. but don't wait too long. Good news is that Bison is/will dump theirs. Bad news is the end zones are under construction, so there are less tickets this year and JMU already scooped up 7k of the 8k allotment .. so they will buying more no doubt. I have no idea what capacity is with end zones under constructions .. maybe 15-16k ??

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: ticketgate

« on: December 24, 2016, 10:27:07 AM »

http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/dec/24/demand-for-tickets-catches-ysu-off-guard/

I don't buy the e-ticket excuse.  You would turn down a risk-free loan of tickets until 26 December because JMU would buy our seats?  Some might try, but like us, most want to sit with their side. You could limit them to PC members, students, alumni association members, and season ticket holders....and effectively screen out any JMU fans.  Also, you could require ticket purchasers (outside of those groups mentioned) pick them up at the YSU ticket office.

Also, this article does not address why did the SID lie about the dates?

Penguin Nation .. I introduced my self earlier on different thread. Im an ISU Redbird fan. I don't know your posting history and battles with moderator, but you are right on with your concerns over YSU handling of ticket allotment. Per my other post, in our 2014 run, our Admin initially screwed up but recovered nicely and we wound up using our full allotment.

Your Admin was completely unprepared for the ticket buying .. either too lazy/uninformed. But it is obvious they didn't want any risk of getting stuck with any tickets after losing money with earlier playoff bids .. except now we're talking about the National Championship. Possibly they were given directive to not lose any more money .. but that wouldn't explain lying to your fan base or being too lazy to read the actual rules, which are now clear to most people.

By the way, the blow up for ISU was over AD Strollo's comment below from article you linked. ISU initially bought entire allotment but was not prepare to screen or impose reservation priority system .. so a bunch of Bison fans got wind of this and started buying our tickets from us. Our fan board went ballistic and our Admin quickly recovered by imposing a priority reservation system that required buyers to reserve only, and then all reservations would be subjected to a priority points system based on their affiliation/contributions to ISU.

“If we chose the electronic option then anyone could’ve bought those and we could’ve had James Madison fans buy our tickets and sit in our section,” Strollo said. “We wanted to protect our tickets and make sure our people were getting tickets in our sections. - See more at: http://www.vindy.com/news/2016/dec/24/demand-for-tickets-catches-ysu-off-guard/#sthash.PBZqkiOv.dpuf

So in 2014, ISU effectively blocked anyone unaffiliated with ISU from having their ticket reservation fulfilled. Someone tell AD Strollo, they could have set uo reservation system with priority points .. we did it in a matter of days after realizing Bison were trying to buy our tickets from us in droves.

That said, the idea that YSU wouldn't sell more than 1,000 tickets for a championship game is pretty ludicrous given your history and fan base. ISU has very similar issue with our fan base .. pretty fair weather group in general. In 2014 run, we drew just 5650 for our 1st round playoff against UNI .. MVFC co-champs, 5th seed, big rival UNI, decent December weather, though students were gone for break .. and we drew just 5650, of which at least 700 were UNI. So we drew less than 5k for game in our back yard. For the championship, we sold our entire 3,300 allotment and probably had close to another 700 throughout the stadium .. so we got 4k to Frisco after getting just 5k BloNo in 1st round. YSU would no doubt have done similar and likely better.

Now given how unprepared your Sports Admin was, imagine if Bison had won their semi .. they would have scooped everything, outside of the 1,000 YSU bought .. everything, especially considering the end zones are under construction. There would have been zero tickets available. Bison normally get 17-19k of the 21k capacity in Frisco. This year, I believe capacity will be closer to 16k or so with end zone construction. Imagine that scenario with just 1,000 tickets in hand for YSU, when offered 4,000.

As it happens, fortunately for YSU fans (and your Sports Admin Dept), JMU won and there will be tickets freeing up at reasonable prices closer to game week .. though less due to construction. But that does not change the fact that your Admin was woefully unprepared and/or uninformed, and then lied to your fans on several fronts.

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YSU Penguin Athletics / Re: Frisco tickets. .

« on: December 22, 2016, 06:33:36 PM »

Hello Penguins .. as you can tell from my user name, I am an ISU Redbird fan.

First of all, congrats on your season and impressive playoff run. YSU has been on the brink several years in a row. I am big time MVFC advocate and felt you deserved a couple bids in recent years .. particularly in 2012 and 2013.

Whatever happens, enjoy the experience despite some of the hurdles along the way. I speak from experience.

ISU nearly had similar experience in our run to 2014 championship, when our sports admin was not prepared for the whole ticket buying aspect. Word got out quick we weren't screening who was buying tickets and Bison pounced. OUr fan board went nuts and our Sports Admin folks quickly recovered, and eventually set up priority reservation system. In the end, we used our entire allotment and then some. In 2014, we only got 2,800, plus 500 seats in corner studet sections, plus our band in the end zone. But it was initially a fiasco and our fans went nuts similar to your fans .. and rightly so.

We've had internal debates about this very thing where some fans were irate, some said it was no big deal. Issue is simple .. if Bison had won their semi, they woudl not only have bough their 4,000 and your 3,000, but also the remaining 13,000. Then you would have had to buy scattered seats from whatever Bison fans didn't need all their tickets .. and your fans would have been few and far between. My view is, fans want to sit together. And you want the full opportunity to use your entire allotment, then fight for wnatever else comes availble .. like we ultimately did after a very flawed start. Bottom line, you want your seats and you want to sit together if possible. Your admin failed you. You guys dominated the 1990's and there is a fan base out there that needs a little mojo .. like a championship run.

As for your Sports Admin saying they didn't want to lose money again .. might be fair concern, except iyou guys have history in championship of helping draw 20k to 30kk in he 1990's. Some of you admin and fans argue, money eas lost on playoff game bids and fan turnout was not good .. so Frisco turnout will not be good.

ISU does not have your history but we knew we would use our allotment. So we shut down Bison trying to buy our tickets .. some threatened to sue us .. and had priority system set up to ensure all Redbird fans got tickets from allotment. We also had fans sprinlkled throughour res of stadum .. I'd say we had close to 4k .. our 3,300 in allotted seats, plus 700 scatter through the 18,000 Bison fans.

My point about our Frisco attendance is this .. we hosted 1st round of playoff. We were MVFC co-champs, 5th seeds, playing big rival UNI .. know what we dreew for that BIG game 5,650 .. and not sure all 5,650 showed up. We also know at leat 700 were UNI. So we had less than 5k at our 1st round home playoff game. Yet somehow managed to get 4k all the way to Frisco for championship .. made Redbird Nation proud and inspired our base. Cool part aside from seeing the turnout in Frisco and hearing how loud we were compared to 18,000 Bison fans .. was watching the team do the walk from the bus to stadium .. team was stunned to see 4k aftr the weak UNI playoff turnout. Spack was fighting back tears in his walk from bus.

The good news for Penguin fans wanting tickets is Bison lost, so a lot of tickets will free up eventually. Problem is, you wont; have all your seats together. It is what it si .. ticket prices will evetually come down. JMU will have good turnout, but I doubt they will be anywhere near Bison 18k. Be a little patient on various ticket buyig sites like NCAA, STubhub, Ebay .. watch the ticket counts and prices every day to monitor acitivity. If you want a good seat, you will have to pay more and buy sooner. If you don;t care how good the seat is .. wait until couple days before .. prices will come down, and tickets should be available with Bison not playing this game.

Again, congrats and enjoy the experience .. we had a blast and nearly brought the trophy home. MOst of Redbird Nation is rooting for YSU Penguins .. way to rep the Valley !!!!!!!