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Eric Wolford Gone:
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN · 18m 18 minutes ago
"Eric Wolford fired at Youngstown State, source told @ESPN"
Football Scoop:
"Wolford will be bought out of his contract ($100k) is what we were told. Hear “one of Tressel’s guys” will be the new HC once it happens."
"First name we heard in connection with Youngstown is Brian Wright, offensive coordinator at FAU. He and Tressel are close. Up and comer."
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http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/nov/24/report-youngstown-state-fires-wolford/?nw
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Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 14m 14 minutes ago
@21WFMJSports Coaching http://search.com reports one name that could be considered for YSU...Wisconsin Whitewater's Lance Leipold.
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http://www.fausports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/brian_wright_792415.html
My daughter goes to FAU and we went to the FAU -Tulsa game. The Owls are struggling w/ their first year HC, but have an exciting offense w/ one of the best (if not the best) receiver in CUSA (Lucky Whitehead).
Wright seems like a promising candidate, but I hope that having a former OC as the new HC doesn't again result in a feeble defense.
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My source tells me nobody tied to the program on short list. 1st name is Joe Morehouse from Fordham. Turned the program around there. Was at Akron so knows area. U. Of Buffalo after him too and we will not be able to compete with them salary wise. I asked about I heard Wright before but was told otherwise.
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Wright would be a good choice. Good recruiter, turned Montana St. Around as their OC when he left here and also did a good job as an interim HC in Fla. Knows O. Would need a DC but he has contacts too. Does he hold a grudge as part of the fired Heacock regime ?
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Dana Balash @DanaBalash21 · 14m 14 minutes ago
@21WFMJSports Coaching http://search.com reports one name that could be considered for YSU...Wisconsin Whitewater's Lance Leipold.
Obviously he can coach, question is if he can make the jump from D3.
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Some of the players are not very happy with the decision, especially the starting QB...
Hunter Wells @h_wells8 · 48m 48 minutes ago
"Big mistake getting rid of wolf, that really pisses me off."
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Joey Cejudo @jc_kicks17
"Not to sure I'm happy with that decision! Lot of talent might get pushed away! Hope all works out."
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Ricky Davis @YSURickyDavis
"The PLAYERS are feeling this loss the most tonight. Thoughts and prayers with the Wolford family. Great coach, but a better man. 😔🐧🏈"
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Some of the players are not very happy with the decision, especially the starting QB...
Hunter Wells @h_wells8 · 48m 48 minutes ago
"Big mistake getting rid of wolf, that really pisses me off."
Wolf has done a lot for him. This should not be unexpected.
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Sure can understand that the players, that came to play for Wolf, would be upset. Hope that they wait and see who is hired before that get too upset, heck they might like the new coach better.
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This is why I said I would hold off projecting next years record depending on who comes back. Transfers out are possible and the program could collapse.
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Doubt the player responses have anything to do with Wolf. Probably has mostly to do with established players having to prove and ingratiate themselves to a whole new staff. Nobody is safe. Especially with possible recruits that could change commitments depending on coaches moving. Its probably going to be a bloodbath one way or the other, either through transfers or players being dismissed. Changing coaches is always a Dunkirk, recovery depends on making the right decision to replace him.
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The legacy of Eric Wolford: The Youngstown coach who was given much and who accomplished very little.
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Correct. Current players who may transfer out and recruits who may change their mind make next year problematic. Those who say we have talent and what's the worst that can happen b firing Wolf and the staff may get a liberal education as to how athletics really work at this level. If the program does collapse you are looking at years getting back to where we are with losing program and no where near layoffs for a while IF YSU recovers. Should get real interesting, lol
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Some of the players are not very happy with the decision, especially the starting QB...
Hunter Wells @h_wells8 · 48m 48 minutes ago
"Big mistake getting rid of wolf, that really pisses me off."
Should think twice...didn't Wolford throw him under the bus on the Indiana State overtime check off int?
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I feel bad that a local guy, couldnt get it done. He was a deadman walking as soon as Tressel got hired. As for the players I would of expected them to be upset. I hope Brian Wright isnt the top candidate. He was the master of the non adjustment down and out offense
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Correct. Current players who may transfer out and recruits who may change their mind make next year problematic. Those who say we have talent and what's the worst that can happen b firing Wolf and the staff may get a liberal education as to how athletics really work at this level. If the program does collapse you are looking at years getting back to where we are with losing program and no where near layoffs for a while IF YSU recovers. Should get real interesting, lol
Where exactly is our program now? The worst that can happen is more years under Wolf where we dont make the playoffs. No one likes change. You never know what the next man will bring. But i can tell i am less afraid of this change than a future with Wolford.
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LOL ! YSU has been one game away from the playoffs for a number of years. You might be amazed how quickly that disappears. Other than this year, record improved every year. Recruiting was pretty good. Wolf got done in by his personality and lacking a good DC most years. So, we roll the dice, lol. The public sees a jerk but the program got I proved, just not playoffs and yet they were close. May yearn for these days again, lol.
Cmon, baby. 7 or 11. Please no snake eyes, lol
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I don't get where everyone is talking that the program improved. No, it didn't. He had 0-fer months in each of the last 3 years. And oh by the way, they were late in the year when your team SHOULD be improving not regressing.
Leave the whole program improved concept alone already.
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Correct. Current players who may transfer out and recruits who may change their mind make next year problematic. Those who say we have talent and what's the worst that can happen b firing Wolf and the staff may get a liberal education as to how athletics really work at this level. If the program does collapse you are looking at years getting back to where we are with losing program and no where near layoffs for a while IF YSU recovers. Should get real interesting, lol
This is a very good statement...and strong possibility! !
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The program improved, with wins against Pitt and AT NDSU.
The talent level DEFINITELY improved thanks to the great recruiting of Wolf and staff.
The problem was developing those athletes into real football players, and putting a winning, playoff caliber team out on the field. Plain and simple.
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Even though I'm happy about the decision and agree that it needed to be done. I would like to wish Eric Wolford and his family the best as they go forward. I hope he's learned something from being the YSU Head Coach. I wasn't a fan of his, but I've talked with people who said he is a really good man. And that's good enough for me. Good Luck Eric!!!
I had the privilege of meeting his mother in the elevator before the ISUb game. A very nice woman who asked that we didn't say anything bad about her son on the way up. I'm sure they all knew he was coaching for his job this year.
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The program improved, with wins against Pitt and AT NDSU.
The talent level DEFINITELY improved thanks to the great recruiting of Wolf and staff.
The problem was developing those athletes into real football players, and putting a winning, playoff caliber team out on the field. Plain and simple.
Fair statements
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The program not improved?
After inheriting the "Team of the 90s", and after nine years as HC, Heacock's two final season's were:
4-8
6-5
After nine years to develop the program, that's apparently the best he could do. Then he took a year off on YSU's dollar.
The Wolf record:
3-8
6-5 includes a win at eventual national champs NDSU
7-4 includes a 31-17 win at Pitt, and a win vs UNI (not done by Heacock)
8-4
7-5
How is going from 4-8 and 6-5 to 8-4 and 7-5 not an improvement? I know I went to Youngstown schools but 7 and 8 are greater than 4 and 6.
Anyway, Wolf will be fine. Best of luck to him. I like him, but close is not good enough.
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The program not improved?
After inheriting the "Team of the 90s", and after nine years as HC, Heacock's two final season's were:
4-8
6-5
After nine years to develop the program, that's apparently the best he could do. Then he took a year off on YSU's dollar.
The Wolf record:
3-8
6-5 includes a win at eventual national champs NDSU
7-4 includes a 31-17 win at Pitt, and a win vs UNI (not done by Heacock)
8-4
7-5
How is going from 4-8 and 6-5 to 8-4 and 7-5 not an improvement? I know I went to Youngstown schools but 7 and 8 are greater than 4 and 6.
Anyway, Wolf will be fine. Best of luck to him. I like him, but close is not good enough.
Well said. Agree 100%
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I guess there are two ways to define or discuss "improvement." Did Wolf's wins and losses get better than Heacock? Yes=improvement. Did Wolford get us into the playoffs more often than Heacock? No=no improvement. Did wolford get us into the playoffs? No=no improvement.
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The program not improved?
After inheriting the "Team of the 90s", and after nine years as HC, Heacock's two final season's were:
4-8
6-5
After nine years to develop the program, that's apparently the best he could do. Then he took a year off on YSU's dollar.
The Wolf record:
3-8
6-5 includes a win at eventual national champs NDSU
7-4 includes a 31-17 win at Pitt, and a win vs UNI (not done by Heacock)
8-4
7-5
How is going from 4-8 and 6-5 to 8-4 and 7-5 not an improvement? I know I went to Youngstown schools but 7 and 8 are greater than 4 and 6.
Anyway, Wolf will be fine. Best of luck to him. I like him, but close is not good enough.
You took the years were we were converting to a spread offense under coach H ...so the fair comparison is Wolf's first two vs. H's last 2. Record the same. So you don't think that if Wolf had won the MVFC twice, that we would not have had at least 2 post-season appearances and not having this conversation right now? Did he make it to the semi's?
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The program not improved?
After inheriting the "Team of the 90s", and after nine years as HC, Heacock's two final season's were:
4-8
6-5
After nine years to develop the program, that's apparently the best he could do. Then he took a year off on YSU's dollar.
The Wolf record:
3-8
6-5 includes a win at eventual national champs NDSU
7-4 includes a 31-17 win at Pitt, and a win vs UNI (not done by Heacock)
8-4
7-5
How is going from 4-8 and 6-5 to 8-4 and 7-5 not an improvement? I know I went to Youngstown schools but 7 and 8 are greater than 4 and 6.
Anyway, Wolf will be fine. Best of luck to him. I like him, but close is not good enough.
You took the years were we were converting to a spread offense under coach H ...so the fair comparison is Wolf's first two vs. H's last 2. Record the same. So you don't think that if Wolf had won the MVFC twice, that we would not have had at least 2 post-season appearances and not having this conversation right now? Did he make it to the semi's?
You can add whatever extraneous excuses you want. After 9 years of Heacock, he gave us 4-8 and 6-5. Maybe if the Wolf had four more years (like Heacock did) he'd make the playoffs one of them. I suspect he would since he came so close the last three years, including this year.
Wolf improved the program, as evidenced by his record. Heacock destroyed it, as evidenced by his record.
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I understand the current players' disappointment. But, five years no playoffs, 1,000 people in the stands. Really, the university had no choice. I was a huge fan of Wolford, still remember watching that Pitt game on espn3 on my phone while working bingo concessions at my son's high school two years ago. Was a huge win.
But in the end, a time for a change. And best wishes to Eric Wolford.
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Nation: I do not want this thread to deteriorate into a thread on a coach that left 5-years ago. Our opinions on that matter are always going to be quite different. My point is this:
Wolf changed the face of YSU football, that is because he changed the "style" of football we (for decades prior to his arrival) played. Heacock maintained the style of ball that two of his predecessors ran. He looked to change the offense his last two years. It was this change, combined with it's lack of success that you bring up and thus cost coach H his job. So, my point is ...who really "destroyed" the program? Unless our next coach plans on maintaining status quot ...the answer has to be coach Wolf.
I propose that we go to the thread (or do it here) on the next coach and add commentary on the TYPE of football you would like to see played at YSU ...and this is what is going to fill up the stands and empty the tailgate lots come kick-off. Hard-nosed football is a part of what defines this Valley and I guarantee you that this fact is not news to Strollo and Tressel.
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Ten Thoughts from Joe Scalzo:
http://www.vindy.com/weblogs/penguin-insider/2014/nov/25/ten-thoughts-wolfords-ouster/
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Ten Thoughts from Joe Scalzo:
http://www.vindy.com/weblogs/penguin-insider/2014/nov/25/ten-thoughts-wolfords-ouster/
Joe brings up a great point, and I can see why the players are not happy, even if they were not the biggest fans of Wolf.
"The worst part is, scholarships aren't guaranteed, so players are at the mercy of coaches who didn't recruit them. It's a rotten system." - See more at: http://www.vindy.com/weblogs/penguin-insider/2014/nov/25/ten-thoughts-wolfords-ouster/#sthash.qPgv57lB.dpuf
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Wow. Informative article by Scalzo. I really like his writing.
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Wolf being fired doesn't surprise me. And yes I can understand the players are upset. Coaching is like any other job if you aren't producing chances are you are going to get fired.
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Here's the link to another article that says a lot:
Here are some quotes that I found interesting:
“The one thing that Heacock did really well was, everyone bought in,” Radakovich said. “Everyone loved him as a coach. Wolford was a much more polarizing figure. You either loved him or you hated him. I think that was an asset at times but it was also a detriment, because when things went bad a lot of guys weren’t ready to stick by him.”
“Guys would say, ‘What superstar is going to come in now and fizzle out?’” Radakovich said. “That lack of continuity makes it hard to build that bond you usually see in a football team, where you’re fighting for your brother. We always had great talent but with that comes a lot of individuality.”
"Shaw, who went through four position changes in his first two seasons before developing into an all-conference tight end, said the coaching staff also played favorites, which hurt team chemistry.“We knew it as players and it would rip through the locker room,” he said. “I’m not afraid to admit that. They were bringing in different guys that maybe necessarily shouldn’t have played right away, so there was never that true team camaraderie. “A lot of us really did buy in, like [RB Jamaine] Cook, [QB] Kurt Hess, [OL] Lamar Mady, but you know that was their personality. Wolford had a personal relationship with some players, but it was lacking with other players. I think he was a great emotional leader but he couldn’t always relate on a personal level.”
"Both Shaw and Radakovich said Wolford is an extremely talented offensive line coach but felt he struggled to develop a complete team, particularly the defense and special teams. Shaw also felt the coaching staff struggled to make second half adjustments, often dominating the first half offensively before getting out-schemed in the second half."
“I love Wolford and I don’t regret the decision to come there,” Shaw said. “He’s a great recruiter, so it was never a problem trying to get talent. But I felt like we should have been a playoff team a couple times and made a couple long runs.”
Very telling statements about Wolford's coaching style.
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I said last year that I thought Wolford probably maxed out his potential....at least at this time of his career. I have a really hard time imaging this guy winning four playoff games. The team for years seemed ill-prepared for games and undisciplined. Wolford was emotionally unsteady and his team reflected that. I didn't see how that was going to change. He doesn't seem like the kind of coach that can put together a 10-2 season.
The talent level is obviously better now than with Heacock...but the results aren't that much different. 8-4 and 7-5 seasons aren't anything to be excited about, obviously.
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8 -4 and 7-5 would be great seasons IF they included playoffs. Most fans here are spoiled.
And the MVFC is far tougher now than when Heacock coached. Some people are going to get disappointed again.
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BTW, I pretty much see things the way Scalzo does ( except for his #9) . He does not sugar coat and calls them as he sees them. Reminds me of me. Good beat writer who is always interesting.
However, the comment that they are going to "aim high" is hilarious when the $250k is offered. Most major ASSISTANTS AREN'T GOING TO TAKE A PAY CUT to take the YSU job and the reputation of this place may make for some interesting negotiations by the new coach's agent. Love to be a mouse in that room, lol
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Here's the link to another article that says a lot:
http://ysupenguins.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=9878.30;last_msg=74057
Here are some quotes that I found interesting:
“The one thing that Heacock did really well was, everyone bought in,” Radakovich said. “Everyone loved him as a coach. Wolford was a much more polarizing figure. You either loved him or you hated him. I think that was an asset at times but it was also a detriment, because when things went bad a lot of guys weren’t ready to stick by him.”
“Guys would say, ‘What superstar is going to come in now and fizzle out?’” Radakovich said. “That lack of continuity makes it hard to build that bond you usually see in a football team, where you’re fighting for your brother. We always had great talent but with that comes a lot of individuality.”
"Shaw, who went through four position changes in his first two seasons before developing into an all-conference tight end, said the coaching staff also played favorites, which hurt team chemistry.“We knew it as players and it would rip through the locker room,” he said. “I’m not afraid to admit that. They were bringing in different guys that maybe necessarily shouldn’t have played right away, so there was never that true team camaraderie. “A lot of us really did buy in, like [RB Jamaine] Cook, [QB] Kurt Hess, [OL] Lamar Mady, but you know that was their personality. Wolford had a personal relationship with some players, but it was lacking with other players. I think he was a great emotional leader but he couldn’t always relate on a personal level.”
"Both Shaw and Radakovich said Wolford is an extremely talented offensive line coach but felt he struggled to develop a complete team, particularly the defense and special teams. Shaw also felt the coaching staff struggled to make second half adjustments, often dominating the first half offensively before getting out-schemed in the second half."
“I love Wolford and I don’t regret the decision to come there,” Shaw said. “He’s a great recruiter, so it was never a problem trying to get talent. But I felt like we should have been a playoff team a couple times and made a couple long runs.”
Very telling statements about Wolford's coaching style.
If those lines in bold don't tell the whole story, then nothing else does. Bingo!
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I read the article today and also felt that it was very telling, interesting to hear it from the players side
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Strollo said today in the press conference that no current assistant coaches will be considered for the job. Good news.
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8 -4 and 7-5 would be great seasons IF they included playoffs. Most fans here are spoiled.
8-4 is not a good record in college football. That's an okay record. Show me the last national champion in FCS with four losses. Spoiled or not, success around here should be measured in conference and national championships, not managing to qualify for a watered down 24-team playoff.
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LOL....count the number of teams I. The layoffs with 8-4 and 7-5 records. I do believe most here have lost all perspective. Even Tressel would not duplicate what he did before. Times have changed. The next guy needs a good agent. A lot of folks are going to be surprised.........
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LOL....count the number of teams I. The layoffs with 8-4 and 7-5 records. I do believe most here have lost all perspective. Even Tressel would not duplicate what he did before. Times have changed. The next guy needs a good agent. A lot of folks are going to be surprised.........
Jesus christ do you say anything positive about this program?
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I don't get how "times have changed". Other FCS programs manage to have sustained success and arguably even better runs than Tressel managed in the 90s (Appy State and NDSU, namely).
But, you don't need to duplicate Tressel to have a satisfied fan base, I guess. The post-Tressel alternative is having zero success though. We've had one good season in the 14 years since Tressel left. Given that just about every team that is a shade over mediocre makes the FCS playoffs now, I think it is reasonable to expect to make the playoffs three out of every five years or whatever, with the occasional deep playoff run. That wouldn't be as good as the Tressel years, but would be lightyears ahead of what Heacock and Wolford was able to do.
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Be a consistent playoff team and the rest will take care of itself. We've lost ONCE at home in the playoffs and that was our first ever playoff game at Stambaugh and we lost on a last second FG! Get us to the playoffs consistently, the fans will return and there will be a greater buzz around the community.
Easier said than done.
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Here's the link to another article that says a lot:
Here are some quotes that I found interesting:
“The one thing that Heacock did really well was, everyone bought in,” Radakovich said. “Everyone loved him as a coach. Wolford was a much more polarizing figure. You either loved him or you hated him. I think that was an asset at times but it was also a detriment, because when things went bad a lot of guys weren’t ready to stick by him.”
“Guys would say, ‘What superstar is going to come in now and fizzle out?’” Radakovich said. “That lack of continuity makes it hard to build that bond you usually see in a football team, where you’re fighting for your brother. We always had great talent but with that comes a lot of individuality.”
"Shaw, who went through four position changes in his first two seasons before developing into an all-conference tight end, said the coaching staff also played favorites, which hurt team chemistry.“We knew it as players and it would rip through the locker room,” he said. “I’m not afraid to admit that. They were bringing in different guys that maybe necessarily shouldn’t have played right away, so there was never that true team camaraderie. “A lot of us really did buy in, like [RB Jamaine] Cook, [QB] Kurt Hess, [OL] Lamar Mady, but you know that was their personality. Wolford had a personal relationship with some players, but it was lacking with other players. I think he was a great emotional leader but he couldn’t always relate on a personal level.”
"Both Shaw and Radakovich said Wolford is an extremely talented offensive line coach but felt he struggled to develop a complete team, particularly the defense and special teams. Shaw also felt the coaching staff struggled to make second half adjustments, often dominating the first half offensively before getting out-schemed in the second half."
“I love Wolford and I don’t regret the decision to come there,” Shaw said. “He’s a great recruiter, so it was never a problem trying to get talent. But I felt like we should have been a playoff team a couple times and made a couple long runs.”
Very telling statements about Wolford's coaching style.
As I continue to say ...what is so great about this guy's recruiting? We have a bunch of great athletes, but not a great group of football players. Also, clearly too much focus on skill positions ...when deep trenches is what has been missing since coach H left.
Look clearly if the guy wants to remain a HC, there is a work out there for him. In fact, it is at our level ...which is is why no members of the current staff are being considered. It would not surprise me if he already has a job.
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Yes, 05, I do have some positive things to say about the program. They are WINNING. I get the distinct impression now ( after sleeping on it) that they waited TOO long to pull the plug on Heacock but moved too quick on Wolf. Allowing for the MVFC now being MUCH tougher to win and with many very good teams, YSU doesn't have the easy path that Heacock did. The talent level is far better here now under Wolf than Heacock. Wolf loved to recruit and it showed. Heacock hated recruiting . Years ago I predicted the demise of YSU FB with losing seasons and everyone thought I was crazy , but the losing started immediately and you went frpom a Cadillac program to a junker quick because OF POOR RECRUITNG. Strollo is now rolling the dice again. If he can't come up with a strong recruiter, what happens to YSU in the MVFC ? Wolf was one game short of playoffs for 4 years ( in the first 5 and that's after cleaning house with weak Heacock recruits). I'm holding off until a new coach is selected, then looking at the 2015 recruiting class he brings in and finally evaluating who leaves before next season. Some of the "experts" here think next year is a possible playoff year. Not so fast my friend, as Corso would say. I think its possible there will be a drop off. And if not, I'll say so. Right now, its very dicey. 8-4 and 7-5 got teams into the playoffs. We were there. Can it get worse ? Yep, much worse. I'll let you know about my evaluation for what its worth before the season starts and as the coach is hired , the recruits signed and the players that don't come back.
Grab some popcorn.
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Paladin, WINNING isn't enough anymore. Everyone on here realizes they waited too long for Heacock to be removed. Wolford hasn't show the ability to adjust in 5 years. If he stayed around any longer and continued to lead this program like he did for the last 5 years (and who is to say he would have gotten any better as a Head Coach) then you would be b****ing with your BS about being 7-5 every year. THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!
I really wish everyone would look outside of their tunnel vision of wins/losses. Yes, Eric Wolford brought more wins to the program. Yes, Eric Wolford brought better athletes to the program. Yes, Eric Wolford provided much needed depth to the program. And everyone saying, YSU was 1 win away for the last 3 or 4 years. WINNING is only going to get you so far, when you INEVITABLY go on month long losing streaks. Based on what most people here think, 1 WIN....just 1 WIN would have gotten YSU to the playoffs in each of the last 3 years. GUESS WHAT....Eric Wolford was not able to get that 1 WIN to get over the hump. What does that tell you? The program hasn't improved enough to be a perennial playoff team.
What Eric Wolford didn't do is properly develop and coach said athletes. Athletes are only going to take you so far throughout a season. And I can even state, that his athletes are not very good FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. Hopefully the new coach will be able to develop the athletes into football players.
Read the article again with Shaw and Radakovich. His biggest failure, was not being able to develop a TEAM. Favoritism, personal relationships, adjustments or lack thereof cost him the job. Last time I checked the NDSUs of the world have great TEAMS. YSU may have GREAT athletes, but they're not a great team. End of story.
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Paladin:
I think any of us would just die if you said one thing positive about the program; without qualifiers or a real-quick negative post following-up. :)
The second we had mass-defections just after Wolf was hired, was the time to have pulled the plug. Now I am glad we did not, I gain tremendous respect for him; but just because we gave him a learning curve, does not mean we pulled too soon. He had a losing record in conference over a 5-year period of time, so he was not 1-game away from losing his job; he was on the way out.
We clearly pulled both too late and too soon for Heacock. He should have left years before he did; but he broke into the post-season with good payroll figures and we extended. He begged to move into more of a spread offense well-before he was allowed. However, once we saw his spread started to gel ...we should have kept him for a few more years (at least 2). Secondly this supposed hatred of recruiting is the biggest pile of crap I have ever heard. He recruited very well, but did not have adequate under-staff to completely trust ...so it was a huge burden for him to back them up. Wolf had very-talented under-staff and he still left his initial recruiting class to a high-school webmaster ...which killed him initially. A bunch of high-school stars, left us with little more than a good prep program ...which was evident by the number of Heacock players that continued to be our stars for the next 4-years. In his tenure Heacock made a couple of big skilled-player mistakes recruiting, but our teams were robust and talented in an era where making the post-season was far more difficult than it is now.
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LOL....count the number of teams I. The layoffs with 8-4 and 7-5 records. I do believe most here have lost all perspective. Even Tressel would not duplicate what he did before. Times have changed. The next guy needs a good agent. A lot of folks are going to be surprised.........
I thought that you were looking for another team to follow or was that a dream