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Everything is on the line for Saturday. Will YSU beat the Bison in the Fargodome as they did in 2011?
Massey gives YSU a 6% chance of winning :-\ and predicts a 21 point MOV for the Bison.
Go Penguins! Raise some hell in Fargo.
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I'm thinking a low scoring game with YSU keeping the game on the ground. YSU leads at the half, but NDSU prevails by 10.
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I'd say this game will get out of hand quickly "IF" the team loses it's composure. NDSU is like a big bully they love to force stupid players to do stupid things and then they'll pounce on that mistake.
YSU plays a great mistake free game it'll be a low scoring game NDSU 17-13
YSU plays like they did the last two weeks NDSU 45-7
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First. Thank you for starting a new topic.
Second. F*** Massey and their ratings.
Third. Let's go Guins. Let the boys play and make it interesting, and cause some hell for the playoff selection committees.
(I'm hoping to see a different YSU team on Saturday. One that is going to put it all on the line, and do anything to win. Both coaches and staff).
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YSU does not have a QB to win this game with. And the game may well be a blowout. NDS in a cakewalk.
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Need to be mentally prepared this week. Never know what can happen. We sure as hell weren't supposed to win 3 years ago. fb
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How does a team with one of the best backfields in the FCS get ranked last in red-zone offense in the MVFC?
http://www.mvc.org/football/stats/team-all.pdf
If they catch a few breaks, execute with near perfection (no red zone fumbles), I could see this being a great game. I hope Wolf goes down swinging, even if it ends with an L.
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Hoping for and want nothing but the best on Saturday! Need to eliminate any boo boos on saturday.
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If NDSU had remained undefeated, our chances would be better. They probably could not fall below the second seed even with a loss. But now they will be highly motivated. If they lose this game, they might fall even lower than the four seed, meaning two road games before the championship. I think that bigred's prediction will be right on the mark.
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YSU does not have a QB to win this game with. And the game may well be a blowout. NDS in a cakewalk.
LOL!! This QB YSU has now has the tools just needs the experience. Better than the last 4 years of QB misery!!
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I could go on and on, Red, about how lucky this QB is. The number of dropped INTs , the overthrown balls, those throw into the dirt at the receivers feet from 5-10 yds. away , the control Montgomery keeps over him confining him to short throws , and being fooled on the D disguising the coverage or blitzes, it's been a lucky trip. However, the league is reading him well now. Besides being a Frosh, his limited skills are coming home to roost. But I'll continue to read about how great he is. It will be a sad place around here for awhile until people catch on and his luck turns. Cheers!
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I could go on and on, Red, about how lucky this QB is. The number of dropped INTs , the overthrown balls, those throw into the dirt at the receivers feet from 5-10 yds. away , the control Montgomery keeps over him confining him to short throws , and being fooled on the D disguising the coverage or blitzes, it's been a lucky trip. However, the league is reading him well now. Besides being a Frosh, his limited skills are coming home to roost. But I'll continue to read about how great he is. It will be a sad place around here for awhile until people catch on and his luck turns. Cheers!
I still like him. ;)
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Hunter Wells 106 -176 1637 yds 60.2% 12 td 4 int . Not bad for a true frosh. Future is bright. Paladin,are you saying this because he's a true freshman or he's not YSU material ? I can't imagine you'll be beating this dead horse after Wells has a spring practice season and starts next Sept as a sophomore.
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Hunter Wells will break all the records at YSU. Christian told me the other night that the throws this kid can make are unbelievable. Coach carter the WR coach has been around college football and coached some impressive players and been around guys like Jay Cutler and Christian said he told them this kid is unreal, and at his age and with his experience is great. Will be interesting to see how his career in the YO pans out.
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I could go on and on, Red, about how lucky this QB is. The number of dropped INTs , the overthrown balls, those throw into the dirt at the receivers feet from 5-10 yds. away , the control Montgomery keeps over him confining him to short throws , and being fooled on the D disguising the coverage or blitzes, it's been a lucky trip. However, the league is reading him well now. Besides being a Frosh, his limited skills are coming home to roost. But I'll continue to read about how great he is. It will be a sad place around here for awhile until people catch on and his luck turns. Cheers!
I suppose I could ALSO go on and on about every point you made but in the opposite direction too. You basically "what if'ed" his entire game. If you are going to what if Hunter then you MUST what if every position of every team of every game. Now, i am not going to dub him the GOAT. But, Balls are overthrown by every quarterback every game, regardless of age. INT's are dropped by every DB in every game regardless of age. We could also go on and on about "lucky" plays and players and games every hour of every Saturday of every football season. Again, not saying he is the GOAT but c'mon man.
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NDSU wins going away 42-13
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The problem with QB will get worse. Is the staff gone and a new system coming with a new coach ? The QB has limited skills and except for a bunch of luck, has not imploded yet. The corner blitz almost broke him in half. The number of easy INTs dropped is staggering. Subtract out the stats for the weenie games. Look at just the MVFC. If recruiting ever picks up for a QB (it's been the worst position recruited by Wolf ), he'll get beat out and YSU will struggle to win games. Montgomery has camoflaged this well but the opponents are catching on fast. Time is on my side. Has limited accuracy and has been well protected. When that goes, the comedy will be apparent. Cheers
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First. Thank you for starting a new topic.
Second. F*** Massey and their ratings.
Third. Let's go Guins. Let the boys play and make it interesting, and cause some hell for the playoff selection committees.
(I'm hoping to see a different YSU team on Saturday. One that is going to put it all on the line, and do anything to win. Both coaches and staff).
I like your attitude!
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Almost forgot, will be playing in a barn this week.
It is real simple, win and we have a chance to get in, lose by 1 or 50 and we do not deserve to get in.
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Paladin it must have really sucked to have been proven wrong by the kid during the course of this season. We took your advice after the Butler game and set back and watched to see if he could compete against M.V.C. defenses. The answer he gave us all was yes. With 3 conference wins and the conference leader in passing efficiency I will take that from a true freshman. You can spin this anyway you want..the kid has proved you wrong time and time again and will continue to do so!! Cheers
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Three years ago we went in there with our backs against the wall in a must win and got it done. Situation is far more magnified this year. Not only is a playoff berth on the line, but the jobs of our entire coaching staff are too.
If we go out there and EXECUTE our offense like we are capable, I think we keep this close. Ron Potesta on his show today made mention that we need to bring the kitchen sink into this one and I agree. Every play should be available, trick plays and all, and by God the last thing we need to do is go conservative. If we find something working, go with the up-tempo approach. If our young OL can find holes, then feed it to Ruiz and Webb to setup Wells.
I watched plenty of NDSU this year on ESPN3 and many of their games have been very close at half. They impose their will in the second half.
Two years it got away with the pick-six by Hess. Play turnover free ball, execute our offense, and hope for a break or two and this can be done. The real question is how hungry this team is for this.
I wish Wolford would sit this team down and have them watch portions of the most memorable games of the past two decades to see the urgency, passion, and effort it takes to make Youngstown proud. Georgia Southern in 91, Villanova in 97, and James Madison in 06 ring any bells!?
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I was confident that the Guins would win the four games they lost so I will take the blame and as long as I am on a roll, I will pick the Boofaloes this weekend - that should help. Heck, I will even side with Paladin on whatever if that will bring a victory for YSU.
Now, could somebody explain why we only used the hurry up offense a few times? It seemed to work keeping their defense from roaming and we moved the ball well. Also tell me why in the world you run the clock down when you are behind. Saw this the last few years too so there must be a logical reason - I just don't see it.
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I see this game going 2 ways:
Either we let it all hang out and play hard with nothing to lose or we get blown out. I don't see it any other way. If we beat NDSU we are in, but if we lose I don't see any way we get in (even though we are a top 24 team and deserve to be in the playoffs regardless of what anyone says).
The reason we belong is the fact that we are a top 24 team and we are better than several autobids. This is the true problem with NCAA playoff selection. At the end of the day you have to meet the criteria of wins and other such arbitrary BS. We are at least a top 18 team and several other autobids don't deserve their spots. It is the unfortunate reality and if they want to actually get the best teams they wouldn't give the autobids to garbage football teams from garbage conferences. Nothing we can do about the current system except win, but the system doesn't pick the best teams regardless of the number of losses you have, especially in an excellent conference with a 23-1 out of conference record. We are penalized by the strength of the conference. Is that fair? Well in the past I would say if you want to be the best you have to beat the best and while that still holds true it is difficult to do it every week. So based on the current system it is not fair. There is also a bit of luck involved in winning every game especially in a conference as strong as ours. So the odds of winning 8 games in our conference is far more difficult than in others.
I am not making excuses but you don't have to be as dominant, you don't have to have as many season ending injuries, and you don't have to play every game under the pressure we have to play just to get a shot at the championship rounds if we were in a different conference based on the current rules. Ending the season with 3 losses nothing when games are close and you are playing the best teams in the FCS nation week in and we out. Think about it..... they are hesitant to take TCU and Baylor in the FBS due to SOS but that doesn't apply in the FCS with the SRS rating system and there isn't enough national attention to make it right so it will continue.
We have no blowout losses unlike Fordham and several others. We pass the eye test with regard to athletes and we can play some excellent ball especially matched against teams outside of the MVFC and other teams within. We've shown our capability and we can beat NDSU. Our schedule is back loaded. Which team will show up?
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As far as making the playoffs in the MVFC, the reality is YSU has missed the playoffs under Wolford because of failure to win all the games against non playoff teams and having a record of 10-10 at home in the MVFC. In 2011, it was a loss to last place Missouri State at home in the final game that kept YSU out of the playoffs. YSU also lost at home that year to SDSU(5-6/4-4)
In 2012, it was 4 losses in a row in October, including a 38-21 loss at home against SIU(6-5/5-3)
In 2013, YSU lost the final 3 games, 2 of which were at home. They lost to a UNI team that was depleted by injuries and on a 5 game losing streak, and had a record of 4-5/0-5. UNI finished 7-5/3-5. YSU then lost back-to-back games at home to NDSU and SDSU.
This season, YSU goes into the last game of the year facing a win or the season is over scenario, just like last year and 2011. The difference being YSU is playing at the #4 ranked team in FCS, the 3 time defending FCS Champions and a team with a 19 game home winning streak. And, the reason YSU is in this position is home losses to WIU(4-7/2-5) and Indy State(7-4/4-3). YSU had an opportunity last week to move to 8-3/5-2, and give themselves the tie-breaker over both SDSU and Indy State. Things are shaping up in a way that it looks like the MVFC will get at least 4 teams in the playoffs. YSU had an opportunity to earn at worst that 4th spot last week, but lost at home. YSU went 2-2 at home this year in the MVFC. They went 2-2 at home last year in the MVFC. Went 3-1 at home in 2012, 2-2 in 2011 and 1-3 in 2010. That is 10-10 at home in the MFVC. In quality leagues, it is very important to win at home.
YSU has an opportunity this week to earn their way into the playoffs. In spite of the loss to WIU and last week to Indy State, win this week at NDSU and YSU will get a bid to the playoffs. Lose, and the season is over. Yes, beating the #4 team at home will be a tough task. But, NDSU is the type of team YSU will face in the 2nd round if they make the playoffs and win their first round game. And, each of the past 2 weeks, YSU played against playoff caliber teams and lost. It is hard to be considered a playoff team if having an 0-3 record against the 3 playoff teams YSU played in the regular season. 1-3 if SDSU makes it to the playoffs, and YSU loses to NDSU. Then, on top of that, add a HOME loss to a bad WIU team.
The playoffs start Saturday for YSU. Win this week, and YSU will earn a playoff spot, and likely play at home in the 1st round. YSU Athletic Dept will put in a high enough bid to host a home game if they make it into the playoffs.
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Let's Talk,
My point is not about the technicalities of why we didn't reach the playoffs in past years or how we are missing the trajectory this year once again. My point is that if the FCS really wants the top 24 teams to compete in the playoffs, then you can't leave us out. That is all I'm saying. It doesn't matter if you've lost the last 3 games because they've taken teams that have lost the last 3 games. It doesn't matter if you don't have 7 division 1 wins, they've taken teams with less than 7 division 1 wins. These are facts. Although they would like you to believe they have hard rules around the selection process they don't because the proof lies in how they arbitrarily apply the rules to meet the agenda of the committee. You don't take a 6 win Sam Houston State last year if you require 7 division 1 wins but they did. A few years ago they took a team that lost 3 in a row to end the season too. I wrote a letter to every member of the committee and let them know that I observed them breaking the rules they applied to us in the past.
My point is that if the NCAA truly wants the top 24 teams they can't leave us out. They will appease others (and they will) as they have so many time before in the past.
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I really, really want to say that we are going to win.... But I honestly just can't see it. I hope for the best tho!
GO GUINS
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If YSU does go, we are on target to play JMU & ILS once again ...LOL. I do not see any scenario with a home game, as ILS and JMU have made it known they are bidding. If a third OVC team, or Samford makes the post-season ...we could host.
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Wells has struggled the last 6 quarters. If he gets off to a slow start on Saturday, will we see Nania or Davis?
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This NDSU is not the same team that they have been the previous 3 years.
Defense is definitely not as strong as they have been with players continuously not being where they need to be.
Offense is good, but Crockett is not the player he was even last year, their Oline is not the same and they can not finish as well in the Red Zone (just look at how many FG attempts their kicker has).
Watch for a close game with YSU upsetting NDSU on the road and getting a playoff bid.
8) 8) 8)
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True NDSU is not the team they were last year, but then again, no team anywhere is, but our record is just as good as it was in 2011 and 2012.
The Bison defense is a hair away from being as good as it was last year. Of course players get caught out of position, how do you think any opponent scores on anyone most of the time, it happens to the best of them even in the NFL.
And FYI, Crockett is doing better this year than last and has added the element of being able to catch the ball on third down and can line up as a wide receiver for a added twist.
To the other posters, don't blame the selection committee because of not getting in the last few years or this year if you don't make it. It's not their fault your team was on the bubble and got left out for going belly up in the last month of the last few seasons. Your coach could arguably not be the guy for your team and could be on his way out after this season. It's not your players fault that your team has stumbled in the last month in recent seasons.
I know YSU will be fighting for their playoff lives and will give NDSU nothing but their best and I think it will be a good game. NDSU players are aware that a probable #1-2 seed in the playoffs could/should be ours with a win and they will be fired up to win to get home field guarantee throughout the playoffs.
If any of you make the trip for the game, be safe, snow is possible Fri -Sat.
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Winnable game. This would be a good week to put two halfs together!
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@JoeScalzo1: I'm hearing YSU has a VERY good chance of making the playoffs if it beats North Dakota State on Saturday. (I know - easier said than done.)
Not a surprise.
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Although this is a difficult place to play, due to the noise levels, one nice thing is that weather and temperature will be completely controlled.
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Winnable game. This would be a good week to put two halfs together!
I agree with you Sean. Execution and ball security will be key. I got a chance to watch the Bison's 17-10 victory over Western Illinois and I like the way our lines match up with their's. Slowing down their DE Kyle Emanuel will be a challenge for us to say the least. Julius Childs will have to step up and have the game of his life..Playing in the Fargo dome will be a whole different animal for the youth on this team and I don't think anything can really prepare them for that..you just have to go in there and expect to Win and execute to near perfection and lay it all on the line !! That's all you can ask out of your player's - I'm looking forward to this match - up..It's going to be a good one !!
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Is it just me or does it seem like after all the bit**ing and moaning we did this past week after the tough loss, after all the disappointment, running Wolf out of town, shooting this team down... That they are gonna come out and play the game of their lives and win in Fargo and get into the playoffs?!?
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Is it just me or does it seem like after all the bit**ing and moaning we did this past week after the tough loss, after all the disappointment, running Wolf out of town, shooting this team down... That they are gonna come out and play the game of their lives and win in Fargo and get into the playoffs?!?
Let's hope! Should lead to some good topics the next few weeks.
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Is it just me or does it seem like after all the bit**ing and moaning we did this past week after the tough loss, after all the disappointment, running Wolf out of town, shooting this team down... That they are gonna come out and play the game of their lives and win in Fargo and get into the playoffs?!?
Yes, the same thing happened to Heacock and Tressel. People looking for more & they made it with little time left on their tenure ...at least as far as the fan base is concerned.
Thanks,
Dan
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I hope like my brother said in his Press Conference this week, "Were gonna lay it all on the line, and do everything we can". Im looking forward to tomorrow. I believe that the coaches will pull out everything that they have this week, and I know these players will as well and give it everything they have. By no means is this football game unwinnable. Are we playing a good football team? Yes. Are we playing the '85 Bears? No. Best thing we can all do is just watch, and see how it plays out. Wish I could have made the trip out there with my family, they land in Fargo within the hour. Lookin forward to this one. Hoping its not the last Guins game I see this season.
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Interestingly....Heacock's last game was at NDSU......a game YSU won.
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I think its put up or shut up time for us. If u would of told u we had a chance for 8 wins and a possible shot at the playoffs I would have said u were nuts with what we lossed last year. Time to start some new Penguin Pride on Saturday and get out of the shadow of the 90's. We need to lay the past ro rest and start a new era of Penguin Football. The foundation is there time to focus and execute like I know they can and a win at Fargo will be something to build on.
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At the end of last season when the team collapsed at home against south Dakota state I felt that Wolford was not the answer to get us to the playoffs. I felt that losing Hess was going to be a big problem and that we would only win 4 or 5 games this year. The conference improved over last year and every team got better except NDSU. If you would have told me that we would win 7 games this year and that our defense would be in the top half of the league I would have told you that you are crazy. Win or lose we've nearly matched our win total from last year in a better league with a younger team and have dramatically improved on defense (albeit no where near what I would like to see on defense). I think the coaches did a good job and I can only imagine what another year of recruiting and another muscle building off season will do to the current players. As ysugo stated we have an excellent foundation and the cupboard is stocked with talent.
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well been up and worried since about 5:30a
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The future of our entire football program is at stake today. No turnovers, third and short as opposed to third and long, catch some breaks = keys to winning.
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I agree with Power, study the roster, and you'll see there is a lot of young talent there waiting to bust out!
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@JoeScalzo1: I'm hearing YSU has a VERY good chance of making the playoffs if it beats North Dakota State on Saturday. (I know - easier said than done.)
Not a surprise.
I have heard the same thing. My understanding is that it is not a win-and-you're-in situation, but that the NCAA had to contact contending schools to collect bids for possible first-round games. It does mean that the committee sees an 8-win YSU team as a playoff possibility.
Several teams sitting with YSU on the bubble suffered mild upsets last week and YSU would have gained a lot of ground with a win over Indiana St. A win against NDSU would make up for last week's loss, and YSU would not have lost any ground against the field except to contending MVFC teams.
I hate to be pessimistic, but I'm not counting on the win. The losses have not been due to talent but coaching, like last week's third quarter when YSU did not adjust the defense to counter the short pass, and the inability of our coaches to help the players adapt to changing situations has not changed. The athleticism of this team has never been a question.
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NDSU is definitely not the same team, but after watching us last week. Idk what to think!
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Montgomery is a dumb ass. Why do you run option with a qb tha will not and cannot run the ball? It is not an option if he always pitches it. NDSU players were not even paying attention to Wells becase they knew he wouldn't run it.
If NDSU has 4 line backers right behind their defensive line and there are 8-10 in the box why would you run the ball up the middle? Sammarone mare a couple good points an about running out of shotgun etc. When we brought the full back in and ran at them from under center we were better off and he was right.
So this is the last game of the year a.day everything is on the line a.day you need to win to get in but you don't haveven any think new? No new wrinkles? Montgomery must have an IQ of 70. He is as bad as Klacik. Whyou can't we get our ball security issues resolved? This was this issue once again. It puts all kinds of unnecessary pressure on the defense keeps them on the field for too long and destroys the ability for you to make big plays when you need it. Our fooball teams play with no emotion and they are not scrappy enough to keep it close. Where are our line backers? I found that in our goofy defense the linebackers are the safeties. I have busted on Delisio for getting burned but that guy came to play yesterday and he shouldn't have been in those situations. I also hate how we cannot play anything but base defense.