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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: ysufan0505 on October 15, 2014, 11:19:52 AM
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Must, must win! I think the team responds in a big way this week. Defensive TD, Martin and Jody go off.
YSU 34
SIU 20
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I agree with you. Im trying not to sound like a homer because I want the Guins to win. Penguins bounce back this week. In a surprising way I think you see a much more efficient OFFENSE. I think after back to back poor offensive displays you see a much better and different offensive performance. Let's go Guins. I think we score 30 points this week. Must Win game this week, not just us fans are aware of that, but these players realize that as well. Us in the Youngstown community are fully aware that an 8 win season doesnt guarantee playoffs.
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I agree with you. Im trying not to sound like a homer because I want the Guins to win. Penguins bounce back this week. In a surprising way I think you see a much more efficient OFFENSE. I think after back to back poor offensive displays you see a much better and different offensive performance. Let's go Guins. I think we score 30 points this week. Must Win game this week, not just us fans are aware of that, but these players realize that as well. Us in the Youngstown community are fully aware that an 8 win season doesnt guarantee playoffs.
Amen to that.
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I think it is safe to say this is the biggest game in the Eric Wolford era for him and his staff. Just once has YSU not gone on a 2 game losing streak or worse in MVFC play under Wolford.
In 2010, lost 7 straight to end season.
In 2011, lost 2 straight early in the conference, but after we won 2 straight, we lost on a last second to UNI but went back on the road a week later to upset #1 NDSU.
In 2012, lost 4 straight in middle of season.
In 2013, lost 3 straight to end season.
If we can respond with a win, that would be huge. SDSU has our number, but they have been underachieving this year.
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I felt good about our chances until what is becoming the "annual meltdown" last week. I have absolutely no confidence in the team or the coaches anymore. I know we can win buy how many stupid mistakes will we make that will cost us the game? Last week 5 blunders did it. This week 1-3 could be the amount to do it because SIU is a better team than WIU.
I find it difficult to predict the number of stupid plays and based on the fact that we haven't been consistently getting better in this area I'm saying we lose this game because the margin of error is too low.
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I know we can win buy how many stupid mistakes will we make that will cost us the game? Last week 5 blunders did it.
I find it difficult to predict the number of stupid plays and based on the fact that we haven't been consistently getting better in this area.
Penguinpower
If you would, please clarify where the blame lies for stupid mistakes. This is for understanding your point and not argument.
My take: I think players and coaches have each had their moments. What mistakes from a coaching aspect that grind me are poor clock management and the horrible problem of getting plays in on time. Poor use of time outs (maybe more to it than apparent), the fake punt debacle and our conservative second half offense. These are all correctable, but don't appear to be important to the coaching staff as they are a constant.
Some penalties such as off-sides and motion are mental errors on the players. I am not sure penalties ever come at a good time, but YSU seems to major in the worst timing giving their opponents first downs when the defense had them stopped. Personal fouls for fighting are just idiotic, me first penalties that I feel are many times egged on by an opposing coaching staff. Officiating has been horrible, but it has been that way for years and you have to play to overcome that. I watched the official think about tossing a flag when the WIU punter took a flop shortly after they were hit for running into Joey.
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I know we can win buy how many stupid mistakes will we make that will cost us the game? Last week 5 blunders did it.
I find it difficult to predict the number of stupid plays and based on the fact that we haven't been consistently getting better in this area.
Penguinpower
If you would, please clarify where the blame lies for stupid mistakes. This is for understanding your point and not argument.
My take: I think players and coaches have each had their moments. What mistakes from a coaching aspect that grind me are poor clock management and the horrible problem of getting plays in on time. Poor use of time outs (maybe more to it than apparent), the fake punt debacle and our conservative second half offense. These are all correctable, but don't appear to be important to the coaching staff as they are a constant.
Some penalties such as off-sides and motion are mental errors on the players. I am not sure penalties ever come at a good time, but YSU seems to major in the worst timing giving their opponents first downs when the defense had them stopped. Personal fouls for fighting are just idiotic, me first penalties that I feel are many times egged on by an opposing coaching staff. Officiating has been horrible, but it has been that way for years and you have to play to overcome that. I watched the official think about tossing a flag when the WIU punter took a flop shortly after they were hit for running into Joey.
Blame lies on both sides. You nailed my point. For example running back before the punter kicks the ball giving up the fake. Who coaches that strategy? As a player that has been playing many years how could you not understand that fundamental thing. Both sides create the exact problems you stated so well.
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I heard this comment from a player after last the WIU game concerning the fake:
"we saw it coming, but we have to follow the coaching assignment"
I heard that type of comment before coming from defensive linemen. So where is the breakdown in communication? I fear if there was a play clock for the defense, we would capture the market in delay of game penalties. Now, we just abuse our time-outs.
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I believe the team bounces back and wins a close one 28 - 27.
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I know several people who post on this board seem to like the Massey Ratings. For what it is worth, Massey gives YSU a 45% chance of winning, and has a predicted score of SIU 27 - YSU 24
YSU is now 19th in Massey FCS ratings, while SIU is 8th
http://www.masseyratings.com/team.php?t=9217&s=262657
If using Sagarin ratings, SIU comes out a winner by about 2 points
#118 YSU - rating 59.22+ 3.29(home advantage) = 62.51
# 88 SIU rating 64.66
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Seems to have the makings of another close game. The teams have one common opponent, WIU.... SIU beat WIU 34-17.... WIU beat YSU 30-24
GO PENGUINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SIU 34 YSU 24 YSU continues to make blunders that cost us this game! Hope I'm wrong!
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In regards to the fake punt, Wolford said in the press conference after the game YSU was trying to set up a big return. They had 2 guys rushing from each side, and then had the rest of the players run down field to set-up a big return. So, it seems to me that the players who released and ran down field were doing as instructed by the coaching staff. He also said in post game press conferences they(meaning the coach's) need to make sure at least 2 players remain in the middle of the line to prevent this from happening again.
People are correct to say that the players bare some of the blame for losing games. YSU receivers dropped at least 3 passes... there were 3 unsportsmanlike penalties, which cost 15 yards and 2 players to get ejected... there was the motion penalty on the first drive that likely cost YSU a TD, and instead forced them to settle for an FG... there was the big pass play WIU had that looked like it was going to be an INT, but the YSU defender was not able to hold on, the ball deflected right into the hands of a WIU receiver who scored a TD. ALL of these are on the players, and I'm sure there were other mistakes made by players.
But, at the end of the day, the coaching staff, and especially the HC takes full responsibility for EVERYTHING that happens with a team. Is that fair, maybe not. But, that is the nature of coaching, and ANY person who has ever coached knows this to be true. Also, YSU has a history of doing the very things that were done in the loss to WIU the entire time Wolford has been HC. This was also a trend under Heacock, with the possible exception of 2006.
Jim Tressel was a great coach at both YSU and OSU. He had alot of help though from the players he coached. At the same time, he had a knack for knowing the right buttons to push in terms of strategy, and also getting the players to believe in themselves, the team as a whole and the coaching staff. No offense to the players under Tressel(several of whom I know personally), but in terms of sheer talent, YSU likely has much more talent now than when Tressel was coach. They definitely have overall better athletes. But, being a great athlete does not make one a great football player. The Tressel teams had a nice combination of some great athletes with well above average ability, and players who never made anyone say "wow" with their size or speed, but who were "football players" and with good coaching were able to maximize every ounce of their potential. Also, if people remember, at YSU the Tressel coached teams typically got better as the season progressed. That is a testament to both the high quality of coaching/teaching and the ability of the players to learn from their mistakes. Rarely did Tressel coached teams at YSU or OSU beat themselves. And, as a fan, from the win in 91 against GSU onward, I always believed YSU could overcome what appeared to be insurmountable deficits and obstacles. It was obvious the players felt the same way, as did the opposing teams. This actually started with the win in 86 over Akron, the win in 89 over Akron, and a few other wins in the 89 season, including the playoff win over EKU. But, this belief YSU would find a way to win ebbed after the 1990 playoff loss to UCF, and also when the team started the 1991 season 4-3, with an embarrassing loss to Liberty on Homecoming. The next game YSU beat Georgia Southern, and the rest as the saying goes was history.
YSU did not always win the "big games", and Tressel coached teams had a tendency at times to lose games by becoming too conservative with a lead. A great example was the 21-20 loss to SIU in 2000, when SIU had only 1 or 2 wins. YSU led 20-0 late in the 3rd qtr. That loss cost YSU a Gateway Conference Championship, at least 1 home playoff game and possibly at least 2 home playoff games. Tressel's teams at OSU had a few of these losses as well. But, the vast majority of the time, when the clock hit 00:00, Tressel coached teams had more points scored than the opponent. Rarely was it pretty, but it was highly effective.
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I see a game that can go either way. Team making the fewest mistakes will probably win. Toss up game.
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SIU 35
YSU 17
Although I'll be hoping that I'm wrong. Will be listening or maybe watching online!!! Good Luck YSU!!!
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SIU 35
YSU 17
Although I'll be hoping that I'm wrong. Will be listening or maybe watching online!!! Good Luck YSU!!!
I hope they don't quit like they did against SDSU. I was embarrassed to be a fan that day.
Definitely agree with you.
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Go YSU!!!
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Sustained winds of 30 and gusts of 40 should keep the score down in this one. I look for short intermediate throws by the Y.S.U. offense. Hopefully we can get our playmaker's in space. In the end I look for Y.S.U.'s O-line to take over and win the battle up front...17-10 Penguins
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Sorry. I don't see us winning. Not after last week. I'd like to see it though.
How many blunders this week? 3?
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YSU 20
SIU 17
If we can play a good game on special teams and if we do not turn the ball over, I do not see why we can't win this game. Hunter Wells as a starter is a good choice as well.
Go YSU!
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If Wells is the starter, I think SIU wins in what would have been a toss up game.
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If Wells is the starter, I think SIU wins in what would have been a toss up game.
But if Dante was the starter, you would pick YSU to win???? Please.....
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Just the opposite. The weakness in SIU's defense is its secondary--YSU needs someone who can toss the ball. Wells bring that. Their front line is too fast for Nania, and when the game gets fast for him, he tucks the ball under his arm and tries to run his way out.
That being said, the inclement weather is a real problem. A slippery field favors SIU. YSU's defense does not handle change of directions well even under dry conditions--I see SIU running right past the YSU front.
Sad, but true. I'm going to sit there this afternoon and root for YSU, but I'm not going to tough it out if the game gets out of hand.
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Gonna be a tight one.
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I'm gonna try to be calm and cool today. First chance to watch a game online (ESPN3). Let's do this YSU!!!
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Not a very big crowd today. Weather????
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Is it raining there? Crowd as usual is disappointing. I have no idea how paladin doesn't think Wells is good. This kid is the future hopefully 4 year starter. Nania is at best a backup.
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Small crowd is probably a combination of the weather, fan apathy and OSU game starting at 3:30
YSU is looking good so far. Defense is playing well, and offense has been efficient. SIU has made some costly penalties, especially the unsportsmanlike conduct when they appeared to be moving into position to score.
Now we will see if YSU can hold on and win after leading at halftime. I think SIU is going to need to score on the opening drive of 3rd qtr if they want to win this game. Hopefully that does not happen, YSU can maintain the lead and pick up a good win at home.
I also agree with those saying Wells is the better of the 2 QB's. He gives YSU the best opportunity to win NOW, and he has the potential to be a very good QB in future seasons.
GO PENGUINS!!!!!
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Here's hoping that Wolford kicks the Salukis while they're down. Keep the pedal down, on both sides of the ball.
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Yes we need to keep shoving it down their throats. They don't have much of a running game with their starter out.
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Nice first half! Nice to see us up 17-0. Everyone collectively involved on the offensive side of the ball. A much better watch this week. Gotta keep the foot on the pedal though! Holding this team to a goose egg would be great. Like to see a couple more touchdowns in the second half. Need to stop with the dang special teams boo boos though! Luckily it did not end up hurting us! Let's go guins. Need another strong half.
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Oh my. What a half
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Hunter is on target today! Looks like he's calling you out Pally..... No need to play 2 QB's when you have 1 who is playing so well. Southern Ill shooting themselves in the foot but defense playing well. One more half men!
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I have to agree about Wells. It's hard to believe this time last year, he was playing HS football. He's gonna make mistakes I'm sure. But damn, this kid has a chance to be really good.
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Hunter really has played a nice first half. He seems very calm out there, and you can see he is able to read the field, and progress through his checks confidently. Good half. Im watching NDSU as well, they are beating up on Indiana State, and Western Illinois is handling Illinois State as well.
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Some of the balls he threw were thrown in perfect spots. The Barassa TD and the drop TD of Stubbs were really really good throws.
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Crap!!!!!
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That wasn't the start we were looking for.
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FFS can we not have a repeat of last week. Not sure how you don't read that last play as play action pass.
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Oh boy, here we go!!!
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WTF
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Uh oh.......
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Wait.... #8 did something right?!?
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He actually caught a pass.....WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO. I'll even take the 3 at this point!!!
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Given that YSU invested money into having a replay system at Stambaugh Stadium, why have they not mandated MYYTV place at least 1 camera on the West Side and one in each endzone?
I think the officials made the correct call on placement of the ball on each of the last 2 plays run by SIU. But, last week, the lack of a camera on the West Side of Stambaugh Stadium made in nearly impossible for replay official to know if the WIU receiver had possession on the pass that was ruled incomplete instead of a fumble.
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Given that YSU invested money into having a replay system at Stambaugh Stadium, why have they not mandated MYYTV place at least 1 camera on the West Side and one in each endzone?
I think the officials made the correct call on placement of the ball on each of the last 2 plays run by SIU. But, last week, the lack of a camera on the West Side of Stambaugh Stadium made in nearly impossible for replay official to know if the WIU receiver had possession on the pass that was ruled incomplete instead of a fumble.
Yes, totally agree. MYYTV is a pain in the you know what to watch.
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Going to be a big offensive series coming up..... C'mon Montgomery!
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We are letting them right back in this game...
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This in unbelievable... how many time to we have to watch this?
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Here's the Eric Wolford we all know. This guy should be in the Hall of Fame soon with his brilliance.
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Here's the Eric Wolford we all know. This guy should be in the Hall of Fame soon with his brilliance.
Yeah this is all on Wolford. Blah blah
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Hunter is very poised for a freshman QB.
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Need to get points on this opening drive in the fourth quarter. Can let this team get the ball back immediately. Need to crush their moment.
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Say all you want about the coaches, these players are killing themselves. So many mistakes and penalties...... Yikes.
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Great drive. We have such a great duo of RB's.
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Another wasted TO.
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Another wasted TO.
How so?
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On the PAT from that last TD.
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On the PAT from that last TD.
Had to go for 2 to make it a 2 score game. I have no problem with the TO. Play could have been executed better tho......
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Nice win for YSU!!!!!!! fb
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Big, big win! Good momentum heading to SDSU!
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Man, I hope last week doesn't end up hurting us. WIU gave up 24 points in the 4th quarter to lose.
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Man, I hope last week doesn't end up hurting us. WIU gave up 24 points in the 4th quarter to lose.
I was just thinking the same....
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Agreed gentleman. That loss last week was a head shaker. Good win today, started to give us a little scare in the 3rd quarter. It was nice to see them close out the game. The ball was really spread out today on the offensive side of things, very nice to see. Big game next week @ South Dakota State. If we go out and win that game we get to come home and play probably the weakest team in the conference, South Dakota. The key to next weeks game in my opinion is shutting down Zenner, very good back (by far their best player). Our guys should have a very sour taste in their mouth due to how SDSU ended their season last year.
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Wells threw to 7 different receivers today..what composure for the true freshman!! Great overall team win and a great game plan by coach Montgomery
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YSU will be practicing at Chaney High School this coming week to prepare for the grass surface and crap stadium SDSU has.
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I'm going to pick against us every week. It's the only time it seem we win. Excellent win. Dominating fashion
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We have an outstanding qb
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I'm going to pick against us every week. It's the only time it seem we win. Excellent win. Dominating fashion
haha! Definitely a team effort today boys.
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Another wasted TO.
I agree, We should have known that if we scored a td we would be going for 2, run out, setup and run the play.
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Let's be sure to give credit to the offensive line. SIU had the reputation for a quality pass rush. The line gave Wells ample time and, I think, only one holding penalty. Very well done indeed.
Amazing composure for a true freshman. Particularly impressive was the way he rebounded after the interception.
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Waiting for Pally to say something negative....
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Thought that we played a really nice game, got a little dicey in the 3rd, but we retook control and won the game. I think we have our qb.
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Agreed, you knew you were going for 2, no need to waste a timeout. fb
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We tried to self destruct with penalties, fumble and an interception in the 2nd half. But the team survived and came up with a WIN!
Hunter Wells is a far more accurate passer then I expected. A very good win, but we must do it again next week at SDSU.
Go Penguins!
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The thing about Wells... He is very accurate, and goes through his progressions and sits in the pocket nicely and steps up and fires the ball. Unlike our uhhhh starter at the beginning of the season, who runs like a chicken with his head cut off when pressure gets to him. It's early but I'm a Wells believer.
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The thing about Wells... He is very accurate, and goes through his progressions and sits in the pocket nicely and steps up and fires the ball. Unlike our uhhhh starter at the beginning of the season, who runs like a chicken with his head cut off when pressure gets to him. It's early but I'm a Wells believer.
Fantastic qb. We havery a good one. Not a system qb
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How the larger school's missed out on this kid I will never know. Credit Our coaching staff on picking up on what others didn't. I believe there was a quarterback named Joe Flacco who went to Delaware. .just saying I see some similarities in the two. .factor in the drops today he only had 4 incomplete passes..simply incredible in those less then favorable weather conditions..yes I do feel Y.S.U. has their future Qb
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How the larger school's missed out on this kid I will never know. Credit Our coaching staff on picking up on what others didn't. I believe there was a quarterback named Joe Flacco who went to Delaware. .just saying I see some similarities in the two. .factor in the drops today he only had 4 incomplete passes..simply incredible in those less then favorable weather conditions..yes I do feel Y.S.U. has their future Qb
I agree. He is fantastic
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ysufan0505,
SDSU is in the process of raising money to completely renovate the current stadium in phases over the next 2 years, with capacity being increased to 18,500 to 20,000. The plan is to have brand new sections on the East and South sides completed by the start of next season, and a new section on the West side completed by the start of 2016.
When completed, SDSU will have a stadium much nicer than Stambuagh Stadium
http://www.gojacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209276603
(http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics33/640/KM/KMWFKXDWWSXEMAE.20131031155414.jpg)
(http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics33/640/LR/LRROIYMDJNOSFZK.20131107213700.jpg)
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ysufan0505,
SDSU is in the process of raising money to completely renovate the current stadium in phases over the next 2 years, with capacity being increased to 18,500 to 20,000. The plan is to have brand new sections on the East and South sides completed by the start of next season, and a new section on the West side completed by the start of 2016.
When completed, SDSU will have a stadium much nicer than Stambuagh Stadium
http://www.gojacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209276603
(http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics33/640/KM/KMWFKXDWWSXEMAE.20131031155414.jpg)
(http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics33/640/LR/LRROIYMDJNOSFZK.20131107213700.jpg)
Until then, their stadium resembles Fitch Falcon Stadium pre-field turf.
(http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics18/400/EZ/EZEKUPHCQAUBQEC.20071126161316.jpg)
(http://www.stadiumconnection.com/simages/1164.jpg)
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First time all year I felt this team played well. "IF" the silly mistakes could stop... jumping off sides, blocked punt and second half jitters YSU would be dangerous. Over all very pleased and Wells is an awesome QB just a freshman :D
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Good, they need those renovations bad lol
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How the larger school's missed out on this kid I will never know. Credit Our coaching staff on picking up on what others didn't. I believe there was a quarterback named Joe Flacco who went to Delaware. .just saying I see some similarities in the two. .factor in the drops today he only had 4 incomplete passes..simply incredible in those less then favorable weather conditions..yes I do feel Y.S.U. has their future Qb
Flacco went to pitt and then transfered to delaware when he couldnt beat out Tyler Palko at QB
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Waiting for Pally to say something negative....
Pally already warned us in September to "watch what happens when he has to play against good MVFC teams." ::)
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ysufan0505,
I hope you understand my post was in no way an attack on you. Just was not sure if you knew SDSU had plans to build a new stadium over the nest 2 years on the site of the current stadium. I only knew from being on the SDSU web site earlier in the year. Although, I did feel like you were taking a cheap shot at SDSU and am not sure why? The stadium is 50 years old and has a grass surface. There are alot of stadiums in the NFL, FBS and FCS that are in areas of the country with cold weather, rain and snow that have grass surfaces. I prefer natural grass to artificial turf, even these modern turf fields.
ValleyTalk,
Yes, the SDSU stadium is old. I would not go as far though as to say it resemble a high school stadium, or even Fitch. SDSU has stands in one end zone. There is not a track around the field. Stadiums with tracks around the field are not exactly the best for watching football. SDSU also has a bigger press box and a much nicer scoreboard than Fitch. It is what it is, an old college stadium that was built for a small college, and over time expanded. Remember, SDSU has only been at the FCS level since 2004. And, it takes time to raise money for a new stadium. At least SDSU has had an on-campus stadium for the last 50 years, and for their first year playing at FCS. In contrast, YSU played their first FCS season at Fitch High School, and has only had an on campus stadium since 1982. YSU had a weird looking, one sided stadium from 82-96, with turf that was hard as a rock.
Stambaugh is a nice stadium, but at the same time it still looks like a stadium that is unfinished. There used to be a small sized model of an expanded Stambaugh Stadium inside Kilcawley Center back in the early 90's. The model had seating in the North end zone, with walkways that connected the East and West stands in both the North and South end zones. Here is a renderring of what the expanded Stambaugh Stadium was intended to look like. Now, this is a stadium, just too bad it never became a reality :'(
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjS9GdoCQAAPSfA.jpg:medium)
Again, not sure why the negative shot at SDSU for having an old stadium. Especially when renovations have been occurring in recent years, and a brand new stadium is on the way for 2016. SDSU just opened a state of the art indoor facility with a 300 meter track as part of the process of renovating/constructing athletic facilities.
http://www.gojacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209449532&DB_OEM_ID=15000&DB_OEM_ID=15000
Also, a question for each of you. Would you rather have Stambaugh Stadium and a record of 1-6 against SDSU since the teams resumed playing in 2007, or the current SDSU stadium, a 6-1 record against SDSU(including a 6 game winning streak) and a brand new, state of the art stadium on the way? Each of the last 3 seasons, losses to SDSU kept YSU from making the playoffs. SDSU has also made the FCS playoffs in 09,12 and 13 after first becoming eligible in 2008. YSU last made the playoffs in 2006.
I would take YSU having the current SDSU stadium, a 6-1 record over SDSU the last 7 years and trips to the playoffs in 2011, 2012 and 2013(Years YSU would have made the playoffs with a win over SDSU). I would take that even if SDSU was not going to be building a new stadium. And, if YSU hopes to be a playoff team in 2014, it is imperative they figure out a way to beat SDSU this week.
One last thing in regards to synthetic turf. There are serious concerns being raised about the possibility of the ground up tires used in these surfaces causing cancer, and other serious medical conditions. Mike has even developed an alternative filling for the synthetic fields. Here are a few links on the risks of the new synthetic fields and cancer
http://augustafreepress.com/can-playing-artificial-turf-cause-cancer/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/16/artificial-turf-cancer-crumb-rubber_n_5997228.html
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That was 2 different hopes there Talk ...first it was part of the Y2k campus , then it became the 100-year anniversary hope. You are right ...too bad it never materialized.
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I was really impressed with the offense on that last drive, especially the offensive line. 13 rushes ate up 7 minutes of clock. That's the way to put a game away.