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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: seanbryan3 on October 12, 2014, 12:40:49 PM
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Definitely a tough one to take yesterday. Not sure where to begin. Was feeling better at halftime, as we had taken the lead. But was a little disappointed how the first half ended, as we took timeouts to get the ball back before the end of the half, just to run the clock out? Not sure. (Yet again I'm only 25, and I'm not Wolf, or the OC). Seems like we didn't make any adjustments at halftime. They came right out and took it to us. The offense looked 100% out of sync yesterday. Ruiz and Webb have it their all as usual and did the most they could. As far as the passing game, couple drops were inexcusable, especially two of them on 3rd down and two them hit them right in the chest. Hey, on a positive note Christian Bryan was targeted once and had a big 24 yard reception down the center of the field, and Andre had a nice game as well. Flustering game to watch, and I think you guys agree. It was unfortunate the Defense couldn't make a quicker stop on that last series, but hey offense cannot disappear for quarters. Am I the only one to be flustered?
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I agree...What the hell was that at the end of the half. You know they get the ball to start the half, why not try and get as many points as possible. It was obviously gonna be a tight game. Your kicker is more than capable of making a 50+ yarder, especially with the wind at his back. That was just one of the MANY disappointments of their performance last night. Really no more room for error from this point on. It's gonna be tough to say the least.
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Sad part is it still came down to undisciplined mental mistakes.. 3 personal fouls.... a couple procedure calls on 3rd and 1 ... off sides ... Plus no brakes.. All the calls seemed to go for WI. I am going to rewatch the game....
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You are definitely not the only one flustered! I can promise you there are 80 football players and 10 coaches that are a lot more flustered than anyone else. Too many missed opportunities yesterday.... We are the least penalized team in the conference the last 2 years and last night we made up for that....too many personal fouls, ejections etc. Although, the first ejection was ridiculous... it was a clean hit! We had pick six early that bounces off our guy's hand and pops into their receiver's hand and they scored a TD instead. Big drops on third down and false starts on 3rd and short killed us. W Illinois' last possession - our defense caused a fumble and it was ruled incomplete... watch it again.... he caught the ball, took two steps and fumbled with us recovering. That gives us the ball on their 35 with 5 minutes to go instead of our own 7 with 45 seconds left. And what I thought was the biggest mistake was when our guys released to play for the return on the fake punt. We just can't make mental mistakes like that and win against good teams. This team has the talent...they will work hard to get things corrected in practice this week and will be out there next Saturday busting their asses to get a
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I agree...What the hell was that at the end of the half. You know they get the ball to start the half, why not try and get as many points as possible. It was obviously gonna be a tight game. Your kicker is more than capable of making a 50+ yarder, especially with the wind at his back. That was just one of the MANY disappointments of their performance last night. Really no more room for error from this point on. It's gonna be tough to say the least.
We were. Webb had to get out of bounds and he failed to do so. It was a smart call to cut our losses after that.
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Those refs were probably the worst I've ever seen in a football game, ever. High school, pee wee, whatever, wow..... We ran it down their throats the first drive, but couldn't get any push up front after that. That's a pretty good defense WIU has. In the end, we needed a stop on defense and could not get it... Not having Des Williams and Terrell Williams hurt on the DL. Childs still gets picked on too much. Taking Dante out was the right call, he's just not effective throwing the ball. Next week is a must win or this season is over.
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And I know of a couple offensive players who are truly frustrated with the play calling.... As they should be.
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And I know of a couple offensive players who are truly frustrated with the play calling.... As they should be.
I can agree with you on that one buddy. I don't say very much because Christian is on the team. Need to do what it takes to win. I'm hoping it will change for the players sake.
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The fake punt completely changed the complexion of the game. We had control and completely gave the momentum away.
Huge one next week. Very curious to see how we respond.
Go YSU!
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The fake punt completely changed the complexion of the game. We had control and completely gave the momentum away.
Huge one next week. Very curious to see how we respond.
Go YSU!
That and the pick 6 that turned into a TD for WIU off of Dortch's hands..... Huge.
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The fake punt completely changed the complexion of the game. We had control and completely gave the momentum away.
Huge one next week. Very curious to see how we respond.
Absolutely! Terrible? Special teams has definitely been a huge disappointment this year. Along with many other things. It is hard to watch this! Poor clock management. Penalties. Undisciplined. Another completely disappointing item about the game is the complete lack of fan support. No noise until the end of the game when there was about 1000 fans left. Pathetic.
Go YSU!
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Two blocked punts and two fake punts run to perfection against us this year. All four changed momentum in a big way and all four led to touchdowns on the ensuing drive.
Special teams are critical and we have failed this year on special teams. It bit us in the rear end again yesterday when we had shut them down on defense.
Time to fix these silly mistakes and correct them. Gut check time for this team and staff.
Beat SIU!
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Although thoroughly disgusted with the outcome of the game--especially disgusted with the fake punt that I was expecting--it did seem like the Penguins never gave up even after constantly shooting themselves in the foot with avoidable penalties.Eliminate blatant mistakes and unnecessary penalties,fight till the end,take one game at a time and we can beat anybody.New season begins Saturday--if we fix what we need to and don't quit game outcomes will be different.
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Two blocked punts and two fake punts run to perfection against us this year. All four changed momentum in a big way and all four led to touchdowns on the ensuing drive.
Special teams are critical and we have failed this year on special teams. It bit us in the rear end again yesterday when we had shut them down on defense.
Time to fix these silly mistakes and correct them. Gut check time for this team and staff.
Beat SIU!
I absolutely agree with you. Gut Check time is correct! Special teams has been awful in areas. And that fake punt call was a great call by Western Ill, (sh** i would have done the same thing if i saw that the opposing team was gonna have two deep already, and the other nine were all gonna just straight dropback), that's good coaching right there, and adjusting. That pick six play was crazy. And that play we challenged did very well appear to be a fumble, that kid was turning with possession of that. Some of personal fouls were ridiculous. And the ejection on the opening kickoff was garbage. Need a good week of practice. You don't win this game on saturday your in some trouble.
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Although thoroughly disgusted with the outcome of the game--especially disgusted with the fake punt that I was expecting--it did seem like the Penguins never gave up even after constantly shooting themselves in the foot with avoidable penalties.Eliminate blatant mistakes and unnecessary penalties,fight till the end,take one game at a time and we can beat anybody.New season begins Saturday--if we fix what we need to and don't quit game outcomes will be different.
Nice post, I couldn't agree more. Can't shoot yourself in the foot. Little things like jumping offsides on third down hurts.
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The season is still young. I think that last night was a wake up call and reality check. Or at least hope. Need to see some leadership on the field, hasn't been much. I understand and think it's cute and all that he want's a "no name team" on the field, but unfortunately you need some damn leaders on that field, and you need to allow these players to lead and make decisions. On a side note of the no name team, a no name team would mean we go out and everyone contributes and does what it takes to win a game, but we have seen the same BS the past 5 weeks, and the same crap on offense going to the same kids.
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C Stephen Page did not play yesterday at all due to a concussion, Cole Newsome the RS Freshman started instead. That could have been a factor. Did not know that little nugget during the game.
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Tough loss.. WIU's not that bad of a team but YSU should win these games on the home turf. Mo state is probably the worst team in the league. The "bad" news is the better teams are ahead of YSU. SDSU, SIU and SD are winnable. Indy State, IL ST. and NDSU the boys better bring an A++ game to have a chance.
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Everyone is starting to catch on now, Red. I , as usual , tried to warn everyone after last season was over that there were problems for this year . QB, OL, DL & the secondary. Those problems haven't been addressed and the better teams are yet ahead. I'm expecting some wins yet but I picked them to go 7-5 but only if they stay healthy. There is little depth again this year and injuries could knock them down to 6-6 or worse. They can still surprise given the right match-ups.
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We played a sloppy game. Sloppy play, Sloppy Coaching..sloppy attendance...sloppy referees. .but this Coaching staff has consistently laid an egg when it needed to step up. I am not going to agree with Pally assessment that we have a problem on the lines or at QB...this team has talent..but it isnt getting coached up...
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We played a sloppy game. Sloppy play, Sloppy Coaching..sloppy attendance...sloppy referees. .but this Coaching staff has consistently laid an egg when it needed to step up. I am not going to agree with Pally assessment that we have a problem on the lines or at QB...this team has talent..but it isnt getting coached up...
I agree with you. And you my friend are correct.
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Oh really, ysugo ? Just watch the games ahead for QB play and the OL & DL. I think I have already sold you on the secondary. Right ? lol What did the stats tell you for this game ? We got outrun and out passed and this isn't even one of the better teams in the MVFC. I'll be back to remind you soon. ;D ;D ;D
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Hell, at this point god only knows who the best team is in the MVFC or at the top. After watching many of these teams play the past two weeks, zero consistency. Tough conference to play in. Could be an interesting year collectively across the MVFC.
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Thank God that the website was down this weekend. Gave me some time to really sit back and think about Saturday while I was driving back to Dayton last night.
First thing that REALLY bothers me....The Jelani Berassa interview after the game. You can tell the absolute frustration in his "no comment" answers. And look at his face, I wish I was in his head during that interview. Is it the coaching? The players? The execution or lack thereof? Or how about the "no comment" to the question about did the offense take a step back? Just bad, really bad.
The second thing...the Wolford interview after the game. When asked about the Demond Hymes injury. I just don't get how he can act so removed from that situation. I would assume most coaches would be genuinely interested about the kid. There was no "I'm going to check on him right after this interview" type of comment. Just a "hope he will be back soon." Makes me feel as though he's given up already or just flat doesn't care anymore. I also learned while at the game that he never bought a home here. He is supposedly renting on the North side.
As for preparation, in-game adjustments, and/or halftime adjustments. This coaching staff just doesn't have a good handle on any of that. For those of you who are huge Montgomery fans. Get over it, he is not the star of this staff. There isn't a coach on this staff who deserves to be here anymore. That offense is so bland and so obvious that its scary to watch. People in the stands know what's going to happen before it happens....sad!! I don't want to hear about OL, QB...blah blah blah. The coaching staff needs to develop these kids and that just is not happening at this point. The talent on the offense from RB to WR to TE is really amazing, yet the ball is NEVER thrown to the TEs and other than Jelani no other receivers seem to get consistent looks (i.e. Christian Bryan).
The defense and special teams....I saw what I expected to see. Horrible tackling and crappy preparation for both. This secondary has been terrible for 4+ years and has not gotten any better...still. And I see from seat throughout the game, Stoops cheering on the defense while they're sitting there. HOW ABOUT GETTING IN THEIR sh** FOR A LACK OF DISCIPLINE OR TACKLING OR WHATEVER OTHER PROBLEM. It just sickens me.
I really wanted Wolford to succeed here, this city is just dying for a successful football program. But I've learned, Wolford will not be successful here for the long haul. Is it his ego? Lack of knowledge? Lack of making the proper adjustments? Who knows, but I just don't see it happening here.
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Thank God that the website was down this weekend. Gave me some time to really sit back and think about Saturday while I was driving back to Dayton last night.
First thing that REALLY bothers me....The Jelani Berassa interview after the game. You can tell the absolute frustration in his "no comment" answers. And look at his face, I wish I was in his head during that interview. Is it the coaching? The players? The execution or lack thereof? Or how about the "no comment" to the question about did the offense take a step back? Just bad, really bad.
The second thing...the Wolford interview after the game. When asked about the Demond Hymes injury. I just don't get how he can act so removed from that situation. I would assume most coaches would be genuinely interested about the kid. There was no "I'm going to check on him right after this interview" type of comment. Just a "hope he will be back soon." Makes me feel as though he's given up already or just flat doesn't care anymore. I also learned while at the game that he never bought a home here. He is supposedly renting on the North side.
As for preparation, in-game adjustments, and/or halftime adjustments. This coaching staff just doesn't have a good handle on any of that. For those of you who are huge Montgomery fans. Get over it, he is not the star of this staff. There isn't a coach on this staff who deserves to be here anymore. That offense is so bland and so obvious that its scary to watch. People in the stands know what's going to happen before it happens....sad!! I don't want to hear about OL, QB...blah blah blah. The coaching staff needs to develop these kids and that just is not happening at this point. The talent on the offense from RB to WR to TE is really amazing, yet the ball is NEVER thrown to the TEs and other than Jelani no other receivers seem to get consistent looks (i.e. Christian Bryan).
The defense and special teams....I saw what I expected to see. Horrible tackling and crappy preparation for both. This secondary has been terrible for 4+ years and has not gotten any better...still. And I see from seat throughout the game, Stoops cheering on the defense while they're sitting there. HOW ABOUT GETTING IN THEIR sh** FOR A LACK OF DISCIPLINE OR TACKLING OR WHATEVER OTHER PROBLEM. It just sickens me.
I really wanted Wolford to succeed here, this city is just dying for a successful football program. But I've learned, Wolford will not be successful here for the long haul. Is it his ego? Lack of knowledge? Lack of making the proper adjustments? Who knows, but I just don't see it happening here.
That's one of the best posts this board has ever seen!
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BTW, where was Kitchen at ( Ga. Tech transfer) ? Thought Wolf said this guy may be the greatest to ever play the position at YSU.
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Soup City - whoever told you Wolford was renting is wrong. He BOUGHT a house the very first year he was here. He loves this community and wants to be here for a long time.
As for Jelani - He was very frustrated. As much as you all get frustrated on here this game does not directly affect you like it affects players. They are the ones out there busting their asses. Can you imagine if someone pulled you into a conference room as soon as you lost a disappointing game and asked you stupid questions. He said "no comment" because he knew whatever he said someone would find a problem with it. A player is NEVER going to openly talk to the media about what quarterback they want to play, nor are they going to try to let the media put the blame on the coaches (the question about the offense taking a step back).
This team is going to stick together and find a way to get it done.
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Also as for Demond Hymes - the coaches and players had received word that he was ok and just had a bad concussion. They are not going to discuss any condition anymore than they need to. These coaches and players care about each other more than you can ever imagine.... don't try to make that something it is not.
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Ohiofootball...thank you for the clarification. That's why I put "supposedly" in my comment. I assumed someone on here would know.
As for the Berassa question....I'll agree to disagree with you. I don't care how frustrated you are....YOU KNOW THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE ASKED. So answer it in a way that says "no comment." How about something like, "It doesn't matter who the QB is, we didn't execute for either one of them." This my friend, comes with development....not only as it pertains to playing but talking with the media. Did you watch D'Alesio's interview. For as bad as the defense played and all the substitutions, he didn't give a "no comment." He said we just didn't execute like we're supposed to. End of story.
And Hymes, it's called compassion. I will never question the players love for each other. But a coach, a Head Coach...I expect him to say "I know it's a concussion, but I'm stopping by the hospital on my way home to ensure the kid is ok." Simple, to the point and shows compassion. They took the kid off on a stretcher, the least he deserves is a visit from his head coach.
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Part of it could be that D'Alessio has been doing interviews a lot longer than Jelani and knows what to say. There hasn't been many offensive players doing post game interviews for a while now... It was always Hess.
I read in the paper that Wolford said he knew Hymes was going to be okay and they did the stretcher for precautionary measures. Do you know for a fact that Wolford did not go visit him? I don't know either way but can find out if it is that important to you.
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Nice post SoupCity. There is frustration and confusion going on. Hoping it will change.
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I was at the interview ...Wolf did try to keep the focus on the game. At the very end he did say that the stretcher was mostly precautionary and that he thought it was a good idea. So Ohio and Soup, you are both right.
One thing that needs to be mentioned here is how the team (most especially Wells) stopped at nothing in an attempt to win that game. From the stands, that hail Mary was a thing of beauty.
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We all knew coming into this game this was the same defense that held N.D.S.U. to 3 pts heading into the 4th and 17 overall. Our offense played well enough to pickup the win. It wasn't our day on the defensive side of the ball and the overall game management was questionable at best. After the fake punt it was game set match. The 1st drive in the red-zone we seemed content to play for a field goal and that seemed to set the tone early on. Our conference is brutal with know weak teams top to bottom. S.I.U. handed W.I.U. a 34-17 setback so we better be ready come Saturday. The play of Hunter Wells was a bright spot for the offense and the right choice. He made the tough throws needed to win games in this conference. Sure he had his share of freshman mistakes but his ability to work the middle of the defense was exciting to watch and will only help stretch defenses and help our run game in the long run. The love for Y.S.U. football on this board and in the stands is second to none. At the end of the day our penguins will win and lose as a team. We have a great brand of football to watch week in and week out in this conference. Would anyone like to see us in a lesser conference just so we can make the playoffs and then get beat by a M.V.C. team in the first round. You are only as good as the schedule you play...we have 6 more games to play..anything is possible!!
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Western Illinois is the best defense we will see all year.
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Other than NDSU? I think their D is only allowing 260 yards/game average. And only 6 TDs all season.
And ISUr is around 290 yards/game, and 5 TDs all season.
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I don't think we were as bad as we played according to Wolford we have been the least penalized team in conference the past 2 years. Still dont understand the targeting rule especially in kickoffs how can the refs make that call ...dont get it...The Conference seriously needs to upgrade the officials ..it seemed at times they had not ever worked together. This game will be a wake up call for us..we will either step up and play our asses of or muddle through the rest of the conference. The talent is there we have a coaching staff that needs to lead and coach up our talent. We will never again have that wonderful 90's championship run. I don't think we should expect that but I do expect a team that plays hard and plays disciplined. We need make it a priorty that when a team comes to our house they know it is going to be THE HARDEST HITTING GAME ON their schedule. Till that happens we will never be a threat to won our conference.
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Talent will be determined by play on the field, ysugo . Everyone thought it was great beating the weenie teams. The real games now will shed light on the "talent".
Needless to say, I'll be back to discuss this again AFTER you get a GOOD look. ;D
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Talent will be determined by play on the field, ysugo . Everyone thought it was great beating the weenie teams. The real games now will shed light on the "talent".
Needless to say, I'll be back to discuss this again AFTER you get a GOOD look. ;D
The talent is there and a good coach would have us in contention to win the conference. The bullsh** things we do cost us games. 5-10 plays we need to get back every game. The punt fake happening twice this year is not acceptable. The poor game management. The defense offside on 4th down giving WIU a first down on after a critical 3rd down stop. The fact that our secondary players don't turn around to look for the ball and the fact that the safety consistently allows the receiver to get behind him are coaching problems. This team has the talent. They were better than Western Illinois athletically and they match up well with the rest of the league. The consistent mistakes and ways we find to lose games are just unbelievable. If we don't give up the fake punt AGAIN we prevent a TD and may have won the game. If we don't run offside and get the ball back we don't give up a TD and we may have one the game. The comedy of errors is the issue.
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Those are my points exactly! These mistakes should have been cleaned up after the Illinois game, but they continued in the weenie games. Missouri Valley teams will continue to take advantage of those mistakes. That's why we may end up 6-6, and again out of the PO. The same stupid mistakes year in, year out. Every year, poor secondary and linebacker play, special teams and stupid mental errors, Where the hell is the discipline in this program. How many games have we thrown away over the last three years alone?
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5-10 plays we need to get back every game.
4 key ones for me this week.
1) Illegal motion on the first drive. It was 3rd and 2, and the way we were running the ball we would have scored a TD, but the penalty caused us to settle for a field goal.
2) The INT turned TD reception. The guy made a great read and break on the ball, but took his eyes off of it to look upfield. It was third down, so even if he knocks it down they would have been punting.
3) The fake punt. We had the "mo" going into half, and had them stopped on their initial drive of the third quarter until no one in the middle stayed home to guard against the fake. Next play is a TD.
4) Offsides on WIU's next possession after the fake. A bad snap on 3rd and 6 left WIU with a 4th and 14, but wait, YSU was offsides, and now it's 3rd and 1. 6 plays later WIU is in the end zone.
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As long as we continue to make mental mistakes, and screw ups on special teams we will be in trouble. Making mistakes and boo boos that we preach to midget football players about.