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Almost game time!!!!!
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3 changes on the defensive side..... Desmond Williams starts at DE for Derek Rivers, Jaylin Kelly starts at MLB for the transfer Laron Taylor, and the biggest change Redshirt Freshman LB Mike Palumbo from Hickory starting over Travis Williams.... Yikes.
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3 changes on the defensive side..... Desmond Williams starts at DE for Derek Rivers, Jaylin Kelly starts at MLB for the transfer Laron Taylor, and the biggest change Redshirt Freshman LB Mike Palumbo from Hickory starting over Travis Williams.... Yikes.
Do you know why the changes were made just before game time?
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Wasn't right before game time. Heard these guys just won the job during camp.... Travis Williams really disappointing.
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Doesn't look like they have any faith in Dante throwing the ball early yet.... All handoff and QB draws.
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Doesn't look like they have any faith in Dante throwing the ball early yet.... All handoff and QB draws.
they expect our D to win the game. Wow
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That was a pick-6 ..and our lead! I will dream about that one tonight.
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That was a pick-6 ..and our lead! I will dream about that one tonight.
Just like last year. With the pick by #8,we would have gone to playoff.
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Boy we are young. That was such an obvious pass play for 6.
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They have to rely on the D. Nania looks terrified out there. There is no passing game!
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Coach M is gonna make me pull my hair out. 3rd and 8 and runs a sweep for a loss..... See ya
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Coach M is gonna make me pull my hair out. 3rd and 8 and runs a sweep for a loss..... See ya
If he can't throw the ball, get him out of there. Illinois is stacking the middle and we did not even try to throw the ball down field one time to keep them honest. We do not play to win.
Wolf truly expects us to win with D. Is he kidding me?
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If Nania is the best QB option then we are in trouble. He can't throw and it's obvious they aren't throwing because of it.
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#1 is in mid season form...
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Offense is a joke. THROW THE BALL
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Offense is a joke. THROW THE BALL
So much for our high power offense and terrible defense. If coaches do not have faith in our QB to throw the ball, get him out of there. We cannot win the game by just running the ball all day against a big 10 team. They are not Butler.
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At least run some play action boots or some options to the outside.... Defense is hanging tough!
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Running is their best option. throw the ball with a young rattled qb, That first hit on the penalty ruined him, and throw a bunch of interceptions and have the game really get out of hand. Or practice pounding the ball agains an NDSU type of line. Chances are ysu doesnt keep the adrenaline up at the half, and IU, gets a comfortable lead. Ill give them this, Illinois is a bad football team, but theyre still a big 10 football team, they are playing hard.
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Kromah is getting through all half up front. very nice!
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The defense is keeping us in the game fellas.....
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Quack quack....
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Illinois is really bad...
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Wow that penalty hurts..... Yikes.
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We need a break and we did not get it. I hope we open up the offense in the second half. Our D will not be able to play with this intensity and energy in the second half.
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If we had some semblance of a passing game this game would be 17-7..... C'mon boys!!
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If we had some semblance of a passing game this game would be 17-7..... C'mon boys!!
at least throw a few more times to the backs coming out of the backfield
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Is Illinois this bad or our defense this improved?
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Cejudo.... Wow
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Illinois is that bad. But you cant say YSU isnt playing hard. although i see that both coaches had no intention of adjusting at halftime.
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Cejudo.... Wow
poor decision on his part. In a game like this, a mistake like this will doom us since we cannot score fast enough if we felt behind.
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Illinois is that bad. But you cant say YSU isnt playing hard. although i see that both coaches had no intention of adjusting at halftime.
wolf is playing not to lose.
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And Cejudo could have very well just cost us the game.... Man
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Called a Time out and came out with a defense like this?
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Wheels are starting to come off. Two special team miscues cost us two TD's.
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And now #3 has to beat the Illini through the air....
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TD!!!!!! Let's go boys!
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And now #3 has to beat the Illini through the air....
short swing passes and screen passes did well for us so far. Noes, it is up to the D.
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#1.... Smh
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Watching this passing attack is a struggle.... Sigh.
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Those 2 wasted TO is big.
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some things will never change ...3rd and a million ...first-down opposition! Throwing into double coverage yet.
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Some things never change.... Choking as always. Butt punt from Cejudo, Strip sack but don't recover, and 2 long 3rd downs and they convert on both.... Ballgame. Blew this game.
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some things will never change ...3rd and a million ...first-down opposition! Throwing into double coverage yet.
the secondary did not play well. The free safety was out of position most of the game, just like last couple of years.
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some things will never change ...3rd and a million ...first-down opposition! Throwing into double coverage yet.
the secondary did not play well. The free safety was out of position most of the game, just like last couple of years.
As always....
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My recap of the game:
1. Defense looked pretty solid in the 1st half, especially getting off the field on 3rd down.
2. Defense fell apart in the 2nd half, especially the secondary. Too many busted plays.
3. The D-Line looks very improved. Got some good pressure against a veteran Illini O-Line
4. Nania looked like a deer in headlights
5. Coaching staff did him no favors by not even trying to complete some short passes
6. Ruiz and O-Line looked solid. Will only continue to improve
7. WR's were ok, too many dropped passes.
Overall, We blew this game. Illinois stinks and if we get a couple of breaks we win. Something to build on I suppose. Time to come home and take care of business.
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I certainly cannot blame a defense that held Illinois to 7-points. The problem was that we did not put this game away when we had the chance ...the first half. Three field goals should have been 21-points. Not 9. Then it was just a matter of time before Illinois caught fire. However, we would have had 17 second half points ...making the final score 38-27. That is still giving up the bonehead plays like the punt misfire and the wide-opened receiver because of blown coverage. Honestly this game should have 38-17 Good guys.
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I think that if IL were a MVFC school, they'd likely finish around fourth, maybe even fifth if SIU has a good year (They came closer to beating IL last year than we did).
If we had UNI on our schedule this year, I'd have a gloomier feeling about our playoff hopes. The SIU game in October is looming huge and likely will decide the fate of the post-season if the other games turn out as expected.
We made mistakes today, but IL made more. I wouldn't have passed the ball much more either given the size and speed of the IL secondary and our breaking in a new QB. The YSU rush defense was strong but the secondary is again exposed as the Achilles heel.
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Nothing surprised me today. Expected YSU to lose. But they had a good first half to keep it close. As expected, we don't have much QB help and the D continues to have problems. YSU will win the next 3 weenie games. Some will think they look good then . However, the real YSU team of FCS won't be known until the MVFC opener. Next 3 games should be used to build depth and play everyone as the scores will be lop-sided.
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Weenie games? Duquesne lead Buffalo 28-24 before the Bulls scored the final 14 points to win 38-28. Buffalo may not be good, but Duquesne gave an FBS school all it could handle.
Next game will pose a challenge, but we should definitely win.
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Valley Talk says "Buffalo may not be good ". Then says "But we should definitely win ". Buffalo is awful now.
Dukes aren't very good. Partial schollie school. Translation = weenie game.
Nania is going to look good ! ;D
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It is always best to wait a day before reacting to a football game.
This team is ridiculously young and inexperienced. Under the circumstances, we played well. This has "rebuilding year" plastered all over it. After the failures with veteran teams in 2012 and 2013, we don't want to hear that. But it is reality.
Nania reminds me of Jared Zwick. Good athlete, good running ability, probably lacking the height to sustain a vertical passing game. Nania is listed as 6' on the roster. Anybody believe that? Tressel eventually used Zwick as a "change-of-pace" quarterback on a few possessions and as a serviceable utility player. That is the role that I wish Wolford would select for Nania.
A Big Ten team that specializes in vertical passing and runs a very fast paced offense is the worst nightmare for our defense. We contained Illinois for three quarters before they overwhelmed us. How could we not be pleased about that?
In his fifth year as a head coach, we should expect that Wolford would stop choking at critical times. He admitted his error in judgment on that punt in today's paper. Obviously, that debacle jump-started Illinois' offense. We will never know if they would have found that groove had we just punted that ball in a traditional fashion.
That punt obscures the sequence that bothered me the most about this game. Here we are with the lead against Illinois in the final minutes of the third quarter. We have second and a short two from about mid-field. I was dreaming of a touchdown drive that could have won the game. So what do we do; run it up the middle twice and get stuffed, which set the stage for that stupid punt. Shades of Klacik in that play-calling.
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Coach Wick -- heres the thing..... YSU hadn't played badly leading a bad BCS school 9-7, second half and faced a 2nd and short at mid-field. If you had an average QB its perfect time for play action pass and throw for two yds. and look to hit a home run play and bust the game wide open. Your QB might even have an opportunity to fake the pass and run for 2 or more yds. But , you are an underdog FCS team, on the road playing a B1G team, awful as they are, and get conservative trying to make 2 yds on 2 runs. Doable. Why gamble ? You have controlled time of possession, even with a less than average QB. But they fail at gaining 2 yds on 2 run plays. Still in position for an upset. Then, he shouldn't have gambled on the option run/punt. Punt, put them in long field and try to let your D hold them. At that point, its almost the 4th qtr and all Illinois had was one TD so far. YSU's D, whjile not great, was getting the job done.
He didn't gamble when he should have and gambled when he shouldn't. Up to that point, an upset was in the making. That's what a young and inexperienced team with lesser players playing on the road as an underdog will do to a coach's judgment.
And , yes, I've tried to warn everyone it s a rebuilding year. Young, inexperienced at QB and the OL and some questions on D. But, that's why you play the game.
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I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but the botched punt at the 50-line with only less than a yard to go should tell exactly how this season will go. After the three weenie games, I see no better that a 500-record the rest of the way which gives us a 7-5 record at best. Losses to SDSU, NDSU, SIU, and maybe even maybe Miss St. on the road or SD will doom us. There has been many time where Coach W has outcoached himself which he did yesterday. A win yesterday may have got us to play-offs, now I don't see how. Even Ind. St. will give us a ton of trouble. And, anyone who thinks we won't lose three games, and maybe four in this league are living a pipe dream. I'm sorry, but as one poster indicated, this is a rebuilding year.
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I think the defense will be very much improved but with Nania at QB, I mean judging from what I saw yesterday.... If we can't run the ball effectively, it's gonna be a loooooong season. And did anybody realize that Ruiz carried the ball almost 40 times yesterday??? Yikes. How about a little break for the kid. He's gonna be done by week 7.
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Agreed! We got other capable running backs that need some playing time. Again Woffold needs to build some depth for the long haul. Not just at rb position, but everywhere, and I'm not counting what should amount to three scrimmage games.
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Webb missed the second half with heat exhaustion, according to the Vindicator. Some of Ruiz' carries would have gone to him. He is a primary weapon. Hymes and Moore got only a few carries.
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I waited a few days and watched the game again just to try to get a better understanding of what I saw. Here is what I took away from this game:
Wolford has improved as a coach by taking the field goals. Not sure he does this comparing his decision making from a few years ago. He still needs to work on his liberal use of time outs especially in the second half. They had a good game plan and he remained patient with the run having an inexperienced QB. This kid may have better skills than Hess, but there is a reason he didn't start and it may have to do with his ability to read the defense. The kid throws a pretty good ball.
The defensive line performance shocked me. Where did that come from? I have not seen a YSU DL get into the backfield of an opponent since 2006. Where has that been? The LB'S played the run well and showed some improvement but struggled at times to read the intermediate pass or better yet be in position to make a play when intermediate passes were thrown.
The secondary play has improved at the corner position. There were times that our corners were all over their receivers and in position to make a play. However I still do not understand how the safety we have is still starting. He clearly does not belong at this level and that is not a knock on him personally. I liked the fact that the defense was trying to strip the ball out on every play, but it affected tackling at times. Their stripping efforts made Illinois put the ball on the ground 3 times. Unfortunately we only got one to go our way.
There were a couple of things that may have changed the game. We had a dropped pick six early in the game. Then it appeared we forced a fumble on a reception but they called an incomplete pass. I reviewed it at home and it could have gone either way (not to contradict myself but our safety was involved in this play). Then we had the TD called back for illegal man down field which was unfortunate because the player was not a factor in the outcome of the broken play that we were able to score on. Finally the butt punt. Well I liked the idea of it but I think when you want to run a fake it shouldn't be an option. You are either in or out not an option to fake.
The kicker is much slower than Liste and it may hurt us later in the year. He needs to speed up the time it takes him to get the punt off. Way way too long. Other teams will come after us here.
With such a young OL I was not expecting us to push them around like we did. Make that on both sides of the ball. As we all know the game is won and lost in the trenches and it appears we are capable. We started running out of steam in the 4th qtr and that is why we could not hold them offf. Their scholarships started to show up about halfway through the 4th. This is a huge improvement over years past. It happen a full quarter earlier 5 years ago.
I was not expecting a close game with a new QB and a retooled OL considering the history of our defensive woes under Wolford, however, they gave Illinois all they could handle and they should have won the game.
Message to Wolford: it wasn't that you made the wrong call not to go for it on 4th and 1 at midfield, you made the wrong play call. The field goals kept you in the game and got you more than half of your point total. Don't go back to high stakes gambling I thought you managed the game well and I also noticed a marked improvement with your sideline behavior with the refs and the kids.
Overall we are not as good on offense as we were last year, but we have potential to develop. We could be pretty good by end of year. We appear to be much better on defense. And we are not as good on special teams. Looks like we are very well rounded at this point. No glaring deficiencies just nothing that stands out. But we beat a the he'll out of them statistically for 3.5 quarters.....them being a B1G team. We also forced them to eat our game plan. They couldn't get us off the field at times.
Could be an interesting season since we don't have to play all 3 powers in the Missouri Valley.
I watched NDSU. Wow. They are impressive. They looked better than last year. They are clearly the team to beat. They look how we looked back in the 1990's. Men against boys. They should be ranked in the top 25 in the BCS. They could be top 10? They were faster and bigger than Iowa State. Iowa State looked like the FCS team. NDSU smashed them and it wasn't even competitive.
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Coach, you must replace your free safety. He had not shown much over his injured years. Find someone who can play the position and I mean not just "trying to make tackles".
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As Wick and Power said ...it is best to wait. Here is my take:
1) Nania is your starter, with Garry at #2 ...Davis #3. All of this could change ...but only at #2 and #3 ...Nania is your starter.
2) Blown punt was a terribly executed play and an even worse call to begin with. Yes it was Wolf's call; he took it like a man. Did not cost us the game. We gave two up very short field positions.
3) The offense's inability to score TD's cost us the game ... 9-21 = -12 points in the first-half alone.
4) Inability of the secondary to cover the big passes,as Illinois did not move the ball well against us at al. In Short ...Illinois is a TERRIBLE football team. Would not even be close to upper half of the MVFC; not even close. We need to improve dramatically to be a post-season team. That Illinois QB was afraid to challenge our secondary, as we keep-up well, but the teams in our own league will not be fooled; as with last year ...they will throw all day against us.
5) D line play much improved ...Kromah was in there all day ...just could not get to the QB. Caoch will work on that ...he is going to be a stud by conference play.
6) Ryan Moore is the real deal ...bigger and more powerful. I hope for him to step up to #1 spot very soon. Does not have the "eyes" of Ruiz though ...I hope that comes.
All-in-all, I was very happy with the play against a bigger team, but that score would have been lopsided against us, had that QB caught fire before the 4th. We have a lot of work to do ...we have play-makers ...but let's see if a team shows up the next 3-weeks. Great job guys, I had to let one get away like that; but it is Monday. Time for week 2.
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As Wick and Power said ...it is best to wait. Here is my take:
1) Nania is your starter, with Garry at #2 ...Davis #3. All of this could change ...but only at #2 and #3 ...Nania is your starter.
2) Blown punt was a terribly executed play and an even worse call to begin with. Yes it was Wolf's call; he took it like a man. Did not cost us the game. We gave two up very short field positions.
3) The offense's inability to score TD's cost us the game ... 9-21 = -12 points in the first-half alone.
4) Inability of the secondary to cover the big passes,as Illinois did not move the ball well against us at al. In Short ...Illinois is a TERRIBLE football team. Would not even be close to upper half of the MVFC; not even close. We need to improve dramatically to be a post-season team. That Illinois QB was afraid to challenge our secondary, as we keep-up well, but the teams in our own league will not be fooled; as with last year ...they will throw all day against us.
5) D line play much improved ...Kromah was in there all day ...just could not get to the QB. Caoch will work on that ...he is going to be a stud by conference play.
6) Ryan Moore is the real deal ...bigger and more powerful. I hope for him to step up to #1 spot very soon. Does not have the "eyes" of Ruiz though ...I hope that comes.
All-in-all, I was very happy with the play against a bigger team, but that score would have been lopsided against us, had that QB caught fire before the 4th. We have a lot of work to do ...we have play-makers ...but let's see if a team shows up the next 3-weeks. Great job guys, I had to let one get away like that; but it is Monday. Time for week 2.
I-AA, I agree with all your points except for 3! Garry is so far buried on the depth chart, he will never see the field this year. 3 solid QB's ahead of him. I think Moore should be the #2 back behind Ruiz, like you said he's big and powerful and can get those short yardage gains. Ruiz is the starter and will remain that way for however long he's here at YSU. The last point I disagree with, the butt punt most certainly cost us the game. That play changed momentum whole way around. Illini got swagger after the block, if you can even call it that. Went right down and scored and then Uncle Mo was fully on Illinois side, especially offensively. Cannot make those mistakes.
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I waited a few days and watched the game again just to try to get a better understanding of what I saw. Here is what I took away from this game:
Wolford has improved as a coach by taking the field goals. Not sure he does this comparing his decision making from a few years ago. He still needs to work on his liberal use of time outs especially in the second half. They had a good game plan and he remained patient with the run having an inexperienced QB. This kid may have better skills than Hess, but there is a reason he didn't start and it may have to do with his ability to read the defense. The kid throws a pretty good ball.
The defensive line performance shocked me. Where did that come from? I have not seen a YSU DL get into the backfield of an opponent since 2006. Where has that been? The LB'S played the run well and showed some improvement but struggled at times to read the intermediate pass or better yet be in position to make a play when intermediate passes were thrown.
The secondary play has improved at the corner position. There were times that our corners were all over their receivers and in position to make a play. However I still do not understand how the safety we have is still starting. He clearly does not belong at this level and that is not a knock on him personally. I liked the fact that the defense was trying to strip the ball out on every play, but it affected tackling at times. Their stripping efforts made Illinois put the ball on the ground 3 times. Unfortunately we only got one to go our way.
There were a couple of things that may have changed the game. We had a dropped pick six early in the game. Then it appeared we forced a fumble on a reception but they called an incomplete pass. I reviewed it at home and it could have gone either way (not to contradict myself but our safety was involved in this play). Then we had the TD called back for illegal man down field which was unfortunate because the player was not a factor in the outcome of the broken play that we were able to score on. Finally the butt punt. Well I liked the idea of it but I think when you want to run a fake it shouldn't be an option. You are either in or out not an option to fake.
The kicker is much slower than Liste and it may hurt us later in the year. He needs to speed up the time it takes him to get the punt off. Way way too long. Other teams will come after us here.
With such a young OL I was not expecting us to push them around like we did. Make that on both sides of the ball. As we all know the game is won and lost in the trenches and it appears we are capable. We started running out of steam in the 4th qtr and that is why we could not hold them offf. Their scholarships started to show up about halfway through the 4th. This is a huge improvement over years past. It happen a full quarter earlier 5 years ago.
I was not expecting a close game with a new QB and a retooled OL considering the history of our defensive woes under Wolford, however, they gave Illinois all they could handle and they should have won the game.
Message to Wolford: it wasn't that you made the wrong call not to go for it on 4th and 1 at midfield, you made the wrong play call. The field goals kept you in the game and got you more than half of your point total. Don't go back to high stakes gambling I thought you managed the game well and I also noticed a marked improvement with your sideline behavior with the refs and the kids.
Overall we are not as good on offense as we were last year, but we have potential to develop. We could be pretty good by end of year. We appear to be much better on defense. And we are not as good on special teams. Looks like we are very well rounded at this point. No glaring deficiencies just nothing that stands out. But we beat a the he'll out of them statistically for 3.5 quarters.....them being a B1G team. We also forced them to eat our game plan. They couldn't get us off the field at times.
Could be an interesting season since we don't have to play all 3 powers in the Missouri Valley.
I watched NDSU. Wow. They are impressive. They looked better than last year. They are clearly the team to beat. They look how we looked back in the 1990's. Men against boys. They should be ranked in the top 25 in the BCS. They could be top 10? They were faster and bigger than Iowa State. Iowa State looked like the FCS team. NDSU smashed them and it wasn't even competitive.
Fantastic review! Awesome points
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I-AA, I agree with all your points except for 3! Garry is so far buried on the depth chart, he will never see the field this year. 3 solid QB's ahead of him. I think Moore should be the #2 back behind Ruiz, like you said he's big and powerful and can get those short yardage gains. Ruiz is the starter and will remain that way for however long he's here at YSU. The last point I disagree with, the butt punt most certainly cost us the game. That play changed momentum whole way around. Illini got swagger after the block, if you can even call it that. Went right down and scored and then Uncle Mo was fully on Illinois side, especially offensively. Cannot make those mistakes.
If they were all sophs or above, I could see what you are saying, but on QB Gary makes most sense. There would be absolutely no reason to blow a red-shirt for Wells ...so we have 3 ...and Garry makes more sense at this point. Until we find out more about Davis dropping down on the roster. Garry gives us one extra year of back-up on a DI program ...experience we cannot be without right now.
The change really started before that butt-punt. That transfer from Ok State realized he could go down-field on us the previous drive. Agreed, the first-down gives us more points ... I think we had just scored a TD.
Other things to consider:
- We were only 5 of 19 on 3rd-down. That is just terrible; especially when you consider that Illinois was barely over 50% as well.
- We only averaged 33-yards-per-punt. This is huge drop-off from last year. Joey is a diamond-in-the-rough for us ...but he is a kicker.
- We held the ball for over 40-minutes, but only managed to come up with 17-points. Does not sound that bad until you note ...
- We had 12-drives and only 19 1st-downs
- We gave up 87-yards in 2 kick returns
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Dan,
Please consider the timing of the questions situation. You want to a guy that has the most potential to play the most don't you?
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I do not think Davis has carried a clipboard yet has he? Not mocking, I do not remember. Last year I am pretty sure it was Nania and Garry. I only saw 1 headset Saturday and it was Tanner. Good conversation though ..will be interesting to see. I have gained respect for Nania ...so I think he will have to be unseated to lose the job.
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No, Ricky has not carried a board and it was Garry and Wells with the headsets Saturday signaling in the plays. Ricky did have WR gloves on throughout the game.
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nothing against Nania, he did make some plays with his legs but none with his arm. We need a college passer not a high school runner. Maybe he can grow into one but if we miss the playoffs Id rather do it with either Wells or Clark. Illinois was horrible and after hearing some comments in the mens room at half, their fans know it. Poor attendance reflected that too. We lose games we should win in the same fashion since Wolf has been here....cant cover a soul when it really matters. We shouldve won that game walking away because we pushed them around until the heat got us. NDSU wouldve beaten them by 5 tds. And that is our measuring stick whether we like it or not