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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: ValleyTalk on July 30, 2014, 07:39:27 AM
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Curious to see who everyone thinks the starting QB should be this fall. Vote in the poll and comment with who you selected.
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Ricky Davis has much more upside than Dante Nania.
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Best chance to win with Davis
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Best chance to win with Davis
Agreed!
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During his first year, Wolford stated that, if two players were even in talent, the younger guy would get the nod. The job belongs to Davis unless he loses it during fall camp. Anyway, if we are really going to incorporate some designed qb runs into the offense, we might need two or three before the season ends.
The three easy non-conference games that follow Illinois are critical this year. The starter, probably Davis, should play three out of the four quarters. But the backup should play a full quarter, probably the second, with the first unit. Putting a backup quarterback into the game in fourth quarter garbage time is pointless.
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During his first year, Wolford stated that, if two players were even in talent, the younger guy would get the nod. The job belongs to Davis unless he loses it during fall camp. Anyway, if we are really going to incorporate some designed qb runs into the offense, we might need two or three before the season ends.
The three easy non-conference games that follow Illinois are critical this year. The starter, probably Davis, should play three out of the four quarters. But the backup should play a full quarter, probably the second, with the first unit. Putting a backup quarterback into the game in fourth quarter garbage time is pointless.
This regime does not play back-up QB's unless the starter is hurt and it doesn't matter if we up by 50 in garbage time..........theykeep the starter in.
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During his first year, Wolford stated that, if two players were even in talent, the younger guy would get the nod. The job belongs to Davis unless he loses it during fall camp. Anyway, if we are really going to incorporate some designed qb runs into the offense, we might need two or three before the season ends.
The three easy non-conference games that follow Illinois are critical this year. The starter, probably Davis, should play three out of the four quarters. But the backup should play a full quarter, probably the second, with the first unit. Putting a backup quarterback into the game in fourth quarter garbage time is pointless.
This regime does not play back-up QB's unless the starter is hurt and it doesn't matter if we up by 50 in garbage time..........theykeep the starter in.
I always get a kick out of posts like this driven by emotions, rather than facts.
Case in point:
In the 2013 season:
-Morehead State game: Dante Nania started the 2nd half with YSU up 43-6:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2013-14/boxscores/20130907_rdlr.xml
-Duquesne game: Dante Nania began playing with 10:34 left in the game with YSU up 38-17:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2013-14/boxscores/20130921_pbj0.xml?view=plays
-Illinois State game: Dante Nania began playing with 4:34 left in the 3rd quarter with YSU up 52-14:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2013-14/boxscores/20131012_qqxy.xml?view=plays
In the 2012 season:
-Valparaiso game: Patrick Angle began playing with 11:18 left in the 1st half with YSU up 35-0:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/boxscores/20120908_3g9s.xml?view=plays
In the 2011 season:
-Valparaiso game: Marc Kanetsky began playing with 4:34 left in the 1st half with YSU up 56-6:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/boxscores/20110910_menh.xml?view=plays
-St. Francis game: Marc Kanetsky began playing with 9:16 left in the 3rd quarter with YSU up 42-10:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/boxscores/20111022_stim.xml?view=plays
-Western Illinois game: Marc Kanestky began playing with 5:15 left in the 3rd quarter with YSU up 35-7:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/boxscores/20111029_09ir.xml?view=plays
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Once in 2012 and twice in 2013 are the only times they substituted qb's. They did it against lower scholarship teams while all along they knew that Hess was going to graduate or possibly get hurt. No QB in a back up position had any opportunities to play at game speed when the game was not yet determined. That was the underlying meaning behind my statement. There were several opportunities last year where we had a large lead and could have played other qb's IMOP
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Valley, you actually proved my point. Garbage time doesn't always start in the fourth quarter. Look at those scores when the backup entered the contest. Against these weak teams, we need to get the backup into the game early, when the score is 14-7 and the kid has the chance to use the entire playbook. That is why I suggest the second quarter. If the backup messes up, big deal. The starter returns and we score 35 in the second half. As penguinpower indicated, those backups had no meaningful experience when they were thrown into the fire.
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During his first year, Wolford stated that, if two players were even in talent, the younger guy would get the nod. The job belongs to Davis unless he loses it during fall camp. Anyway, if we are really going to incorporate some designed qb runs into the offense, we might need two or three before the season ends.
The three easy non-conference games that follow Illinois are critical this year. The starter, probably Davis, should play three out of the four quarters. But the backup should play a full quarter, probably the second, with the first unit. Putting a backup quarterback into the game in fourth quarter garbage time is pointless.
This regime does not play back-up QB's unless the starter is hurt and it doesn't matter if we up by 50 in garbage time..........theykeep the starter in.
I always get a kick out of posts like this driven by emotions, rather than facts.
Case in point:
In the 2013 season:
-Morehead State game: Dante Nania started the 2nd half with YSU up 43-6:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2013-14/boxscores/20130907_rdlr.xml
-Duquesne game: Dante Nania began playing with 10:34 left in the game with YSU up 38-17:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2013-14/boxscores/20130921_pbj0.xml?view=plays
-Illinois State game: Dante Nania began playing with 4:34 left in the 3rd quarter with YSU up 52-14:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2013-14/boxscores/20131012_qqxy.xml?view=plays
In the 2012 season:
-Valparaiso game: Patrick Angle began playing with 11:18 left in the 1st half with YSU up 35-0:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/boxscores/20120908_3g9s.xml?view=plays
In the 2011 season:
-Valparaiso game: Marc Kanetsky began playing with 4:34 left in the 1st half with YSU up 56-6:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/boxscores/20110910_menh.xml?view=plays
-St. Francis game: Marc Kanetsky began playing with 9:16 left in the 3rd quarter with YSU up 42-10:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/boxscores/20111022_stim.xml?view=plays
-Western Illinois game: Marc Kanestky began playing with 5:15 left in the 3rd quarter with YSU up 35-7:
http://ysusports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/boxscores/20111029_09ir.xml?view=plays
Valley,
I like the fact that you are an optimist. I used to be back when we had a nasty defense. Back then I never felt we were out of any game. We could hang with anyone and when push came to shove the defense would make something spectacular happen. I never cared what happened witht he back up QB, but they were being prepared. Tressel used to put the back-up QB in to give him real game experience and he could contribute to win a game if the starter was out. It also prepared the back-up so you knew who the next QB in the system was going to be. How could we not know at this point in 2014, especially when everyone knew that Hess was graduating?
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Once in 2012 and twice in 2013 are the only times they substituted qb's. They did it against lower scholarship teams while all along they knew that Hess was going to graduate or possibly get hurt. No QB in a back up position had any opportunities to play at game speed when the game was not yet determined. That was the underlying meaning behind my statement. There were several opportunities last year where we had a large lead and could have played other qb's IMOP
Why would you want a backup playing when a game isn't decided? The point is to win the game, with your best players.
Maybe a series here and there if they have a special package of plays but I don't get it. Training the backup isn't more important than wasting series in close games.
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Does anybody remember the Dayton game last yr? That's why you don't let the backups play early.....
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For once Happy makes sense.
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I expect Wolf to start Nania in the opener. Then over the course of the 3 weenie games expect to see Davis "win" the starting job. To me , the season appears to be "scripted". By the time the MVFC chase starts he'll have two players with playing time. If they run the QB this year as I expect, they need to be ready if one gets hurt and running QBs get hurt.
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Starting Nania at Illinois makes a lot of sense. The absolute last thing that we need is for a freshman quarterback to get overwhelmed by the environment, make mistakes, and lose his confidence.
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Great point Wick.
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What QBs are getting all the reps in practice? The last thing I heard Wolf say in an interview after Red and White scrimmage last week was they were going to narrow the race because there were not enough reps for 3 QBs to share in practice? Has anyone heard anymore than that?
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I'm hearing a decision is coming Saturday after the scrimmage. Dante has the upper hand right now. Ricky has more talent and upside but has been very inconsistent in practice so looks like #3 starting week 1 for now.....
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Nania will start, this is probably the best choice. But if he gets banged up, most likely he will, he has a history and he is not the biggest guy. Hunter Wells will be the back up. He has been having a very impressive Fall Camp. Ricky Davis has slipped to third on the depth chart. Garry and Wargo not really in the discussion
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Nania will start, this is probably the best choice. But if he gets banged up, most likely he will, he has a history and he is not the biggest guy. Hunter Wells will be the back up. He has been having a very impressive Fall Camp. Ricky Davis has slipped to third on the depth chart. Garry and Wargo not really in the discussion
Interesting! I was figuring Wells to be in the mix this season.
Wolf always said if guys are even the youngest starts.
If Nania goes down again Wells may have 4 years starting. Surprised to hear that about Davis. I thought he looked OK at the scrimmage last Sat.
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Didnt Hess start as a RS Frosh...I think we could see history repeat itself with Wells.
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How about we wait until Wolford names a starter this week before we speculate with this "insider information." We've all seen how accurate this information has been on the past on this message board.... not accurate at all.
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Anybody go to the scrimmage today? Any analysis beyond the "party line" on the university website? The silence surrounding this football season is deafening.
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Anybody go to the scrimmage today? Any analysis beyond the "party line" on the university website? The silence surrounding this football season is deafening.
I don't live in Y-town anymore and I live too far away to make it to a scrimmage. However if I were still there I would provide my observations like I did when I lived there. It seems that less people are attending the scrimmages. I would wake up early on a Saturday get the kids ready and drink my Dunkin Donuts coffee while watching the scrimmages. Enjoyable Saturday morning for me. After I posted my observations I would get all kinds of feedback from others that attended. Doesn't seem to be the case anymore. It would appear that less people on this site attend the scrimmages.
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Yeah I went to the scrimmage today and to me looks like Nania did nothing to hurt his starting chances week 1! He got almost all the reps with the first team except on both 2 minute drill situations, which makes me think that true frosh Wells may get into some games in certain situatons. Wells took all the reps with the 2nd team, and Davis got all the reps with the 3rd team! Dante can definitely do some things with his feet that the QBs cant do, however I think Wells may be a more pro-typical QB that YSU may eventually be looking for, he looked comfortable in the pocket directing the offense! If I were to guess Nania will start and Wells may work in a couple of series to get some reps in game situations, or I may be completely wrong!
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After reading Scale o's article I say to play Hunter Wells. You have a long time to develop him and he probably won't be running as much. More long term upside.
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If Nania is named the starter, then rest assured he earned it. We all know Wolford's take on who to play, so if the upperclassmen wins the job, then we know he EARNED it.
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Several points -- after last season, I told all of you that YSU would have to change its O for this season because of the drop off in QB talent, relying on a run game and throwing a short pass game. THat is EXACTLY what they are doing now with Nania. They will employ a QB who throws short play action passes and runs the ball on roll out, options and scrambles rather than throwing it up for grabs. Davis also fits this mold. Wells does not. Wargo remains the mistake I said he was when they recruited him and hotdog Garry round out the list of QBs.
Second, I have said repeatedly that I expected Nania to be the season starter and that appears to be the case as he has been effective on the short pass game and adding a running dimension to the O . I have also said that I expected Davis over the course of the first 4 games ( B1G basement dwelling Illini and 3 FCS weenie games) to eventually become the starter. Davis, for what ever reason appears to be in Wolf's doghouse and is currently listed 3rd. Expect him to "work" his way back to being considered a starter by Wolf. He is clearly still the most talented QB on the team. The back-up they list as true Frosh Wells, who has thrown interceptions after INTs against the MVFC basement dwelling YSU D. I sit back and chuckle as Wolf is clearly playing with your heads or Is insane to even consider playing a raw , limited skill true Frosh as the starter at QB this season. I'd expect him to be red-shirted and put on a serious weight program.
Finally, If anyone watches the scrimmages, several things should jump out at you --- YSU is young and/or inexperienced at many positions, QBs included. However , the rest of the team has this same problem and they are trying to overcome that with transfers, limiting what they do on both O & D and trying out several people to build a team that can compete. Starting out 3-1 is pretty much in the cards but after that, YSU becomes pretty average or worse after that . At that point the REAL YSU team will be revealed. While there are some good athletes at some positions, clearly YSU lacks players at many positions who won't fare well against the competition in the MVFC.
QB may be one of those positions.
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Yeah it's gonna be Nania to start the season I assume. He's a runner, but MVC defenses will have field days if he struggles to throw the ball..... Defense is starting to look promising.
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BTW, its also humorous to note that for all the ability that Wolf has for recruiting, QB remains a bust for him. He has recruited only one real QB with ability needed at this level and he transferred out after sitting behind Hess for a couple of seasons. Every QB Wolf has now is limited in skills or under achieves for this level of play. Safe to say that YSU best teams aren't here now and won't be until they get a good QB.
Ironic.
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Well, It's official. Dante Nania named the starter and Hunter Wells the backup...... Hope this works out!
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Just as I predicted... I think it'll be fine. Nania is seviceable and Hunter best be ready because he will definitely see action.
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Paladin I cant believe we are less than 2 weeks away from the season opener and you are already writing the script for the season and how mediocre it will be! What we have to remember is that these are young men and winning can become very contagious! I have been to several practices and to both scrimmages and I see a lot of talented football players working their butts off! I believe the biggest factor for this teams future is that they need to start the season strong and continue to get better every week leading up to the big MVFC games which will determine their post season play!
You act like you were the only person who knew they would change there offense this year, well the last time I checked that is a sign of a good coaching staff; being able to adapt your coaching philosophies to what best fits your players on your team! Nania is a very athletic kid and I believe the YSU staff has done a good job making the offense fit his skill type, while you make the out to be a negative!
Both Wolf and Monty interviews clearly states the Wells has done some things to catch the attention of the coaches and players! Coach Monty said that Wells is further along than any freshman QB he has ever had. I am pretty sure he had 2 QBs drafted into the League when he was head coach at Miami (Ohio), Ben Roethlisberger is pretty good last time I checked! So when the coaches say that Wells has earned the #2 spot how bout we trust their decision and quit being so negative and critical! Could they be trying to light a fire under Davis's butt, absolutely but from what I have seen is that Wells has clearly outplayed Davis in the few times I was able to watch live practices!
In closing lets just remember that we are undefeated right now as is every other team in the country and these young men can still make this season be the season we remember for a long time! The players and staff have been putting in some long hard hours preparing to have a great season; and I wish them all the best of luck on the upcoming season. I am now finalizing my travel plans to Champaign as this will be the last Big 10 game YSU will participate in! Once again GOOD LUCK and GO GUINS!!
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PENGUIN POWER
"After reading Scale o's article I say to play Hunter Wells. You have a long time to develop him and he probably won't be running as much. More long term upside."
Where was this article at couldn't seem to find it anywhere?
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Here is the article. about halfway down he mentions Wells and how he was #2 behind Nania
http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/aug/17/nearing-finish/?newswatch
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Batty,
Don't let Paladin annoy you. He is not a YSU fan, and he actually believes that he knows more about football than Shane Montgomery. Just ignore him or use his comments as comic relief.
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Could they be trying to light a fire under Davis's butt, absolutely but from what I have seen is that Wells has clearly outplayed Davis in the few times I was able to watch live practices!
This question will be answered over the first four games. If they remove Hunter's redshirt by playing him, then they believe he is truly the #2 QB.
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Could they be trying to light a fire under Davis's butt, absolutely but from what I have seen is that Wells has clearly outplayed Davis in the few times I was able to watch live practices!
This question will be answered over the first four games. If they remove Hunter's redshirt by playing him, then they believe he is truly the #2 QB.
Yep, excellent point!
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Any one here think they will play ALL the players they aren't REDSHIRTING in the 3 weenie games ?
Who will be the QB for the MVFC games ? And who will be the backup for the MVFC games ?
Listen to Wick, batty. Paladin knows nothing about football.
"yawn"
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Here is the article. about halfway down he mentions Wells and how he was #2 behind Nania
http://www.vindy.com/news/2014/aug/17/nearing-finish/?newswatch
Thanks, Penguinpower, I actually did read that article already just wasn't familiar with what Scale's O (Joe Scalezo) was! I wasn't aware that Paladin wasn't a Penguin fan either thanks for the info!
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Batty you have some good points! Competition breeds success at the D-1 level. Congrats to Dante and I'm not surprised Wells was pushing him along the way. To have a tall strong armed quarterback like Wells who can make all the throws and spread it around like he does at the F.C.S. level is rare.I'm really surprised he wasn't enrolled into Y.S.U. in the spring. He's not the most mobile quarterback but has a very nice spin move in the pocket and has the ability to elude defenders with his long arms. He can also pick up necessary yardage on the ground when needed. Has to learn not to press at the next level and just manage the game. The more his skills developed and he gets bigger stronger and faster he will be a formidable force for any M.V.F.C.defense to deal with. As far as Davis goes Wells had over twice as many pass attempts in the scrimmages and Davis only had one completion so that should tell some people something. I believe the coaches have a plan for Wells at some point this season. .when and where remain to be seen!!