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Title: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: goodnews on July 25, 2014, 12:52:55 AM: I found the following opponents for the upcoming season.

@Robert Morris
Kent State
@Illinois State
@Eastern Michigan Round Robin with Longwood and UNC Greensboro
@Texas A&M

I assume there are 1 or 2 return games from last year (UMKC)?
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Lets_Talk on August 12, 2014, 08:36:26 AM: I wish YSU would play a schedule more like that of Oakland. Yes, there likely would be few OOC wins, but the competition level would prepare YSU well for the HL, and the program could possibly generate more revenue with the payouts for the road games. Football is now expected to play 1 "blood game" (as some call them) every year. That is for an OOC schedule of 3 or 4 games, depending on if an 11-12 game schedule. That is 25% when 4 OOC games, and 33% when 3 OOC games. So, I do not see why it is asking to much for the men's basketball team to play 4 or 5 of these type games, given the OOC typically consists of 15 or 16 games.

Away - MSU, Arizona, Maryland, Clemson, Iowa State, Pitt, Morehead State, Eastern Michigan;
Home - Western Michigan, Western Carolina, Chicago State, Georgia State, Toledo, and 2 non d-1's
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: IAA Fan on August 12, 2014, 12:04:18 PM: I understand your feelings and agree Lets_Talk. However, I am going to predict that Oakland's non-conference schedule will begin to change drastically as a member of the HL. This level of mid-major requires more wins. Although the non-DI schedule needs to be reduced and eliminated from our schedule ...outside of scrimmage and home-opener. For Oakland, a string of power losses will mean no at-large bid and difficulty scheduling enough home games.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Lets_Talk on August 12, 2014, 12:25:57 PM: This is the 2nd year for Oakland in the HL. Why do they need to change their schedule? This schedule is attractive to recruits. It enables Oakland to be on television several times. I watched at least 4-5 of their OOC games on TV last year, and I'm not talking HL Network or ESPN 3.

Also, it enables Oakland to have money to pay to better quality D1 teams for OOC home games. They still have 2 games against non D1 teams on the schedule. And, with Butler gone, there is not likely to be any teams from the HL making the tournament as an at-large team. Not too mention, the reason Butler was able to make tournament as an at-large team was due to playing a very strong OOC schedule, and wining some of those games.

The road to the tournament from the HL is winning the Conference Tournament. Winning the regular season gets a team a bid to NIT. Having a record of .500 or better and willingness to pay money, allows school to be in CBI or CIT, whichever tournament it was that YSU played Oakland in 2013.

Oakland had a record of 11-20 last year against D1 teams, yet their RPI was 188. Montana had record of 15-13, and RPI of 189. ETSU went 18-16 against D1 teams last year, and had RPI of 208. St. Francis(NY) was 17-14, with RPI of 187. And, there were other teams with winning records, that had lower RPI's than Oakland.

With Oakland now in the HL, their talent level ought to increase. And, as the talent level increases, they are more likely to win a few of these road games, and more of the home games against solid D1 teams.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: IAA Fan on August 12, 2014, 03:06:05 PM: Let's look at a couple of factors:

1. Oakland is in Detroit ...most other schools in the HL are not. They are a quick invite for a tournament in a basketball city. That being said, UDM is traditionally a very good program, much better than Oakland & they do not have this type of schedule. You will start to see Oakland's schedule become more similar to UDM's.

2. As you said, Oakland will improve. All the more reason that major teams will stop scheduling them.

3. Mid-major schools are always going to have to play on the road for bigger programs. They need home games. No matter what sports-casters say ...it is very difficult to find home and home series again top programs. Especially now, as top schools will simply create a tournament. The challenge for OU and YSU is to be invited to these tournaments. Then we are back to location ...Detroit vs. Youngstown.

The again, YSU can sell over 200,000 football tickets on a good year ...just how many home basketball games will it take to do the same for Oakland? 40-50 games maybe? I hope that you are right and we can schedule a few more larger teams, but not too many.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: popsicle on August 12, 2014, 09:59:45 PM: IAA you talk about location.......UDM vs. Youngstown.....and then reference being invited to tournaments? Sounds like you are talking about FOLLOWING...as in fans! UDM has a bigger following than Youngstown? Location of a school is irrelevant on road trip tourneys.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Lets_Talk on August 13, 2014, 01:36:40 AM: How can YSU sell over 200,000 tickets in a football season? If YSU plays 7 games at home, and averages 15,000 per game, that is 105,000 tickets sold. Schools in FCS do NOT get to keep the money from tickets sold for playoff games. And, at this point, figuring in playoff games is irrelevant, given that YSU has made the playoffs 1 time since Tressel left at the end of 2000.

I checked the media guide, and here are the 5 seasons in which YSU sold the most tickets. They are all seasons in which YSU made the playoffs, and the total was not even close to 200,000

1994 - 161,810 for 10 games... 3 of those games were playoff games,
1999 - 150,887 for 9 games.. 2 of the 9 were playoff games
2006 - 121,209 for 8 games, including 2 playoff games
1997 - 117,766 for 8 games, including 1 playoff game

The most fans YSU has ever averaged per game was 18,109 in 2000... YSU played 6 home games, for a total attendance of 108,656. In 2002, YSU averaged 17,174 for 6 games. A total of 103,046. These are the ONLY 2 seasons YSU has averaged 17,000 or more fans per game.

As for Detroit and the OOC basketball schedule, here is their schedule for the upcoming season.

Legends Classic:
@ Oregon
@ Michigan
SOUTH ALABAMA (HOME)
Md Eastern Shore (at Toledo)
Toledo or Bucknell (at Toledo)

HOME:
Rochester (non D1)
Bowling Green
South Florida
Wichita State
Oral Roberts

AWAY:
Central Florida
Rhode Island
Arizona State

* From reading the Valpo board, there is a chance Detroit might play Belmont. Above schedule allows for 2 more OOC games. Even if both of those are Non D1 opponents, that is a damn good OOC schedule. Add Belmont, and it is even better
http://www.detroittitans.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

As for Detroit being a traditionally better program, you are really showing your age. Amd, Oakland has not been D1 for all that long. I would say Oakland also has a solid tradition in basketball, having made the NCAA D2 Tournament in 94,95,96,97 and D1 Tournament in 2005, 2010 and 2011. They also played in CIT in 2009, 2012 and 2013.

Oakland has been in D1 since 1997. They have played in the post-season 6 times, including 3 trips to NCAA Tournament 98, 99 and 2012. That is the SAME number of times in NCAA Tournament as Detroit over that time period. Detroit was also in NIT in 01, 02 and 2013. The trip to NCAA Tournament in 98 was their first since 1979. Trip to NIT in 01 was first since 1978. Glory years for UD in basketball were definitely the 60's and 70's, with small periods of success from 98-2014, with some really, really bad seasons strung together in between the 2-3 year bursts of success... 4 straight losing seasons from 80-81 to 83-84, including 2 with less than 10 wins. UD went 16-12 in the 1984-85 season, then reeled off 7 losing seasons in a row. This included 7 wins in 3 straight seasons (86-87 thru 88-89). And, lets not forget the span from 06-07 to 08-09, when UD was one of the worst teams in the HL.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: paladin on August 13, 2014, 08:33:10 AM: Thank you, Lets_Talk.

That is EXACTLY why the cheerleaders here look so foolish. Exaggerate, embellish or simply lie. The marrow of the situation is always to obscure reality.

Or "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear".
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: IAA Fan on August 13, 2014, 01:06:03 PM: YSU has standing capacity of almost 23k x 7 home games = 161k
4 home play-off games: 23k x4 = 92k

This is a total of 253k

YSU has a seated capacity of 21k x7 home games = 147k
4 home play-off games: 21kx4 = 84k

This is a total of 231k

Even if we did not have a 7-game home season (off years or we receive a play-off bye) we would be in excess of 200k.

All fans cheer. Maybe, the only one being foolish Paladin might be those with the attitude that dooms a team. My post contains no lie, no embellishment, or exaggeration. I expect to have all post-season games at home. 12-game seasons occur once ever 3.5 years. Perhaps if you stopped worrying about the pig's gizzards ...you would see that pork loin tastes great.

Furthermore, the fact that a MBB team averages about 5k per game. 200k/5k = 40. So it would take 40 games to see that same amount of tickets, concessions, etc. I am not the one ignoring the obvious and I did not need my YSU education to do the math.

Also Lets_talk ...I am not the one assuming 15k is normal attendance for a YSU football game.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: popsicle on August 13, 2014, 09:25:05 PM: WOW!? 1AA...did you write the prospectus for the guy who bought the Jacksonville Jaguars franchise? Potential and reality are not always the same......more often not! Root for all you want...that's why there are still Cub fans.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Lets_Talk on August 14, 2014, 07:11:50 AM: 1AA Fan,

Turns out, I was very close by using the 15,000 per game figure. For the HISTORY of Stambaugh Stadium the avg attendance per game is 13,199..... 2,771,984 fans for 210 games
From 1982-1996 a total of 1,048,413 fans for 92 games = 11,396 per game(rounded up).
From 1997-2013(expanded capacity) a total of 1,723,571 fans for 111 games = 15,528 per game(rounded up)

Even during the amazing run from 91-2000, YSU never came close to averaging 20,000 fans per game, let alone 23,000 per game. In fact, the largest crowd ever was in the 2000 season against UNI(21,119). There are THREE other games in which attendance was 20,000 or more in the 17 seasons since Stambaugh Stadium was expanded, and all occurred when Tressel was Head Coach:
20,519 vs Buffalo(2000).... 20,519 vs SIU(1998) and 20,380 vs Cal-Poly(1998).
*There have been 10 other games where attendance was 19,000-19,999.

Since 2003, YSU has only had 4 seasons in which avg attendance was 15,000 or more... 2003(16,004), 2006(15,159 for a team that made the playoffs), 2007(16,149) and 2010(15,110). The last 3 seasons, attendance has been 13,811, 14,038 and 13,506. The 15,110 in 2010, was sandwiched between 14,497 in 2008 and 14,054 in 2009.
***This is based off info from YSU football Media Guide***

Yet, somehow you seem to believe YSU could average 23,000 fans for an entire season? This in spite of the population of the Ytown area having decreased significantly in the last 17 seasons. Add in the number of people who used to attend games regularly, but have long since lost interest in YSU football and the thought of YSU averaging 23,000 fans per game is even more ridiculous.

As far as football outdrawing basketball for total fans per season, or even average fans per game, where did I say basketball can or would outdraw football? Even at powerhouse basketball schools with football teams that are mediocre of worse, it is common for the football team to draw more fans per year and averages more fans per game. At the very least, the football team will avg significantly more fans per game than the basketball team. So, not sure what point you were trying to make there????? ???

Kentucky basketball 2013-14(played in National Title Game): total fans for 18 games 413,350/22,964 per game
Kentucky football 2013(2-10 record): total fans for 7 games 416,303/59,742 per game

UCONN basketball 2013/14(National Champs): 182,416 total fans in 18 games = 10,134 per game
UCONN football(3-9 record) 2013: 216,523 total fans for 7 games = avg 30,932

Iowa State basketball 2013/14(28-8..ended season #11) - 227,079 total fans in 16 games = 14,192
Iowa State football 2013 (3-9) 332,165 fans for 6 games = 55,361

UNC basketball(24-10...#21) - 324,458 fans for 18 games = 18,025 per game
UNC football (7-6/4-4) - 360,500 fans for 7 games = 51,500

UMASS basketball (24-9 played in NCAA Tournament) - 92,400 fans for 14 games = 6,600 per game
UMASS football(1-11/1-7 MAC) - 94,981 fans for 6 games = 15,830 per game

PITT basketball(26-10, 2nd rnd NCAA Tournament) - 198,078 fans in 18 ga,es = 11,004)
PITT football (7-6/3-5 ACC) - 348,188 fans in 7 games = 49,791
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: ValleyTalk on August 14, 2014, 07:37:18 AM: Quote from: IAA Fan on August 13, 2014, 01:06:03 PM
YSU has standing capacity of almost 23k x 7 home games = 161k
4 home play-off games: 23k x4 = 92k

This is a total of 253k

YSU has a seated capacity of 21k x7 home games = 147k
4 home play-off games: 21kx4 = 84k

This is a total of 231k

Even if we did not have a 7-game home season (off years or we receive a play-off bye) we would be in excess of 200k.

All fans cheer. Maybe, the only one being foolish Paladin might be those with the attitude that dooms a team. My post contains no lie, no embellishment, or exaggeration. I expect to have all post-season games at home. 12-game seasons occur once ever 3.5 years. Perhaps if you stopped worrying about the pig's gizzards ...you would see that pork loin tastes great.

Furthermore, the fact that a MBB team averages about 5k per game. 200k/5k = 40. So it would take 40 games to see that same amount of tickets, concessions, etc. I am not the one ignoring the obvious and I did not need my YSU education to do the math.

Also Lets_talk ...I am not the one assuming 15k is normal attendance for a YSU football game.

(http://m.quickmeme.com/img/94/94c19f3688c1ef82bfa1630041eb85356dbf6141c8ad30fa08cf3eccea778af4.jpg)

I would like to nominate this for worst post of the year.

We've never come close to averaging 23,000, let alone 20,000 a game in football and we definitely do not come close to 5,000 in basketball.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: goodnews on August 14, 2014, 11:43:27 AM: Thiel, Wilberforce, Kennesaw State, Oberlin, Northern Kentucky......

Did an ATHLETIC DEPT intern make this schedule? Can someone please give the AD a map so they can see the endless amount of D1 basketball schools that are within a 6 hour drive?
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: IAA Fan on August 14, 2014, 12:01:36 PM: Nov. 15 Saturday Kent State Beeghly Center TBA
Nov. 16 Sunday Oberlin+ Beeghly Center TBA
Nov. 18 Tuesday at Central Michigan Mount Pleasant, Mich. TBA
Nov. 21 Friday at Eastern Michigan+ Ypsilanti, Mich. TBA
Nov. 22 Saturday vs. Longwood+ Ypsilanti, Mich. TBA
Nov. 23 Sunday vs. UNC-Greensboro+ Ypsilanti, Mich. TBA
Nov. 26 Wednesday UMKC Beeghly Center TBA
Nov. 29 Saturday at Illinois State Normal, Ill. TBA
Dec. 2 Tuesday at Robert Morris Moon Township, Pa. TBA
Dec. 5 Friday at South Dakota Vermillion, S.D. TBA
Dec. 7 Sunday Thiel Beeghly Center TBA
Dec. 13 Saturday at Texas A&M College Station, Texas TBA
Dec. 17 Wednesday Kennesaw State Beeghly Center TBA
Dec. 19 Friday Wilberforce Beeghly Center TBA
Dec. 31 Wednesday Northern Kentucky Beeghly Center TBA
All times are Eastern and subject to change.
* - Horizon League contest.
+ - Eastern Michigan Exempt Tournament
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: IAA Fan on August 14, 2014, 12:21:05 PM: Both talks ...read what I typed. I never said we averaged 20 or 23k ...I EXPECT TO SELL OUT. Not a stretch at all ...all of those 17k to 18k figures under Tressel were with a stadium that seated 16k. So were they sell-outs? Are either of you old enough to have stood in line at one of the will-call booths? I have been attending games since the 70's Furthermore, we were discussing Oakland ...when I used the 5k figures I was giving them the benefit ...they averaged 2,400 over 3-years that had them in the NCAA tourney. So if you want to bore the crap out of readers even more ...you can do the 'more realistic' math.

In short ...it will take OAKLAND 61 HOME BASKETBALL GAMES TO MAKE UP WHAT YSU WOULD MAKE IN A SEASON THAT HAS 6 REGULAR SEASON HOME GAMES AND 2 HOME PLAY-OFF GAMES ...AVERAGING 16k IN ATTENDANCE. This is UNDENIABLE ...so why do you keep trying to do so? I said 40 in my last post and the reality is even more.

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Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Wick250 on August 14, 2014, 01:10:54 PM: Goodnews,

Four DI ooc home games is actually an improvement over past seasons. (Kennesaw State and Northern Kentucky are new DI participants.) That Oberlin game is a joke that is tied into that Eastern Michigan tournament. Thiel and Wilberforce are embarrassments. The reason that keeps happening is because season ticket holders (myself included) put up with it. We should be ashamed of ourselves.

Your point about the quantity of DI schools within a one day drive is well-taken. We know that delusional Akron will not play a home-and-home series. Assuming the other Ohio MAC schools share that delusion, except for Kent State, here are the other candidates. All of these schools play in conferences that are equal or inferior to the Horizon League:

Buffalo, Canisius, Niagara, Bucknell, St. Francis, Robert Morris, Eastern Michigan, Ball State, Fort Wayne, IUPUI, Northern Kentucky, Kent State.

None of those programs can schedule "big time" opponents at home. Most if not all of them need early season home games. Most if not all of them would be receptive to a home-and-home with a Horizon League opponent.

Play them all and that would give us six home/six road every preseason. And very reasonable travel costs.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: ysufan0505 on August 14, 2014, 01:14:57 PM: My god, another horrible schedule. Wilberforce???? WHO IS THAT lol. Just padding Slocum's win total I guess.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: OleYSUfan on August 14, 2014, 02:42:16 PM: Horrible is not the word for this home schedule - it is down right shameful for fans who do attend. I don't care how many special incentives the athletic department announces, it won't draw any people to attend those" big named" teams. Every year the home schedule gets worst. No wonder we can't recruit well, who would want to play home games against these teams.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: IAA Fan on August 14, 2014, 04:03:16 PM: Quote from: OleYSUfan on August 14, 2014, 02:42:16 PM
Horrible is not the word for this home schedule - it is down right shameful for fans who do attend. I don't care how many special incentives the athletic department announces, it won't draw any people to attend those" big named" teams. Every year the home schedule gets worst. No wonder we can't recruit well, who would want to play home games against these teams.

I think you have a great point in the quality of the schedule, so I do not want to take away from it.

As for recruits ...I would like to say that recruits know that big teams will be on-the-road. Also winning the conference and getting a post-season invite are much bigger factors in recruiting.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Dmorton on August 14, 2014, 04:12:46 PM: If you are D-1 in the 12th toughest conference in the country. Schedule like you're D-1. Stop scheduling teams most nationally know high schools could beat. Thiel, Westminster, Wilberforce, Oberlin really!!!! No wonder we have trouble in league play, those teams really prepare us well for our conference slate!
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: goodnews on August 14, 2014, 04:35:58 PM: I just think that YSU has ZERO leverage in scheduling so they need to be a little creative.... Maybe 2 for 1 with AKRON... Better than the travel expense to SDU.... If they would have started this 5 years ago they would have more attractable schedules for recruits, players and fans today... Same story over and over with the ATH DEPT.... REACTIVE rather than PROACTIVE
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: goodnews on August 14, 2014, 06:10:44 PM: The closer you look at this schedule the worse it gets. The UNC Greensboro game is part of the EMU tournament in Michigan which includes multiple games at a central location (smart and growing in popularity). Then they return to Ytown and then go to Illinois. Then back to Western PA and off to South Dakota before returning to Ytown.....??????????????? This all in 11 days................

Nov. 23 Sunday vs. UNC-Greensboro+ Ypsilanti, Mich. TBA
Nov. 26 Wednesday UMKC Beeghly Center TBA
Nov. 29 Saturday at Illinois State Normal, Ill. TBA
Dec. 2 Tuesday at Robert Morris Moon Township, Pa. TBA
Dec. 5 Friday at South Dakota Vermillion, S.D. TBA
Dec. 7 Sunday Thiel Beeghly Center TBA
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Dmorton on August 14, 2014, 07:32:13 PM: I'm not sure it matters this season. I think we lost too much talent from last year, and are too young. Slocum tried to replace the talent lost, not sure he did that. The younger guys need to play this year to get the experience for future seasons, and not sit the bench the whole year as in the past. Some of the frosh need to be involved.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: ysufan0505 on August 14, 2014, 11:45:51 PM: Wilberforce hahaha I can't get over that. I didn't even know that school existed. Unreal.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: YsuPride on August 15, 2014, 08:53:05 AM: Just a horrible schedule at home and even away. Good luck Strollo selling tickets to those weak home games.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Lets_Talk on August 15, 2014, 10:17:15 AM: 1AA Fan, I think you might be going insane. Did you NOT see that I broke the attendance figures down into 2 groups? 1982-96 and 1997-2013. So, I took into account the fact the stadium is now bigger than it was for all but the final 4 years Tressel was coach. I understand you never said YSU has sold out every game in a season. The thing is, in order for YSU to get more than 200,000 fans for a single season, it requires YSU average at least 20,000 per game, since the most home games YSU would likely ever have in a season is 10. I was pointing out just how ridiculous it is to even think this could happen. YSU having some games with 17,000-18,000(although YSU never had 18,000 or more for a game until 1997) prior to 1997, does NOT mean YSU would be able to realistically average 20,000 or more per game with the current capacity. Especially considering YSU has only had 4 crowds of more than 20,000.

The largest crowd prior to 1997 was 17,795 in 1994 against Alcorn State. OFFICIAL CAPACITY at that time was 17,000 (according to the media guide). YSU averaged 16,181 per game in 94. That was the most fans YSU averaged from 82-97, as YSU only averaged 14,721 in 1997, the first season with the expanded capacity. I am going to give you the OFFICIAL AVG per season and largest crowd each season from 90-96. All previous seasons, avg attendance never went above 8,685(1987), and largest crowd was 15,833 in first game at Stambaugh Stadium -vs- Akron in 1982

1990 - avg attendance was 12,666 for 7 games. Largest crowd was 17,002 vs OU
1991 - average was 11,619 for 7 games. Largest crowd was 17,003 for playoff game against Samford
1992 - average was 11,935 for 7 games. The largest crowd was 16,826 against JMU.
1993 - YSU averaged 10,717 for 9 games. The largest crowd was 10,717 against Samford.
1995 - average was 13,135 for 7 games. Largest crowd was 17,063 in season opener against SFA
1996 - average was 12,585 for 6 games. Largest crowd was 15,263 against UNI

As far as my age, I am 46, and attended YSU from Fall 86 to Spring 91. I went to my first game at Stambaugh Stadium in 1982. I attended at least 2 games per year in 82-85. From 1986-2001, I missed a combined total of 4 home games. 1 in 1987(Northeastern), due to being out of town representing YSU in an activity other than football... 1 in 1988(Towson State) for my cousins wedding, 2 in 1991 due to working(Liberty and James Madison). From the Nov 16, 1991 game against Slippery Rock, I attended every home game until the UNI game in 2002. I missed that game due to being in the hospital. I never stood in a line for tickets, because I always had tickets in advance. From 86-90, I was a student. In 92 and 93, my brother and several friends were students, so I always had a ticket prior to game day. 1994-2000, we had season tickets. Let me add I stopped going to games after the 08 season. In 03, I was at every home game. In, 04 I missed UNI(because it was cold and rainy, and the team stunk). In 05, I was at every home game. ). 06 I did not go to any games, and in 07 and 08, I only went to games when my brother went. I hope this meets whatever standards you have to determine my qualifications for discussing attendance at YSU football games. ::) ???

As for what any of this has to do with the basketball schedule played by Oakland, I have NO FREAKING CLUE. Then again, I am not the one who infused football attendance into this topic. I'm simply using FACTS to dismiss the notion of YSU drawing 200,000 or more fans in a single season for football. And, that notion was raised by YOU. ??? ::)
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: IAA Fan on August 15, 2014, 10:31:36 AM: I guess that I am going insane as I am responding to an obvious comment that I made that football (Which OU lacks) is making it (revenue) for us ...on top of basketball. Just so you know, if we averaged 12k per home game & had 8 home games (that is 2 post-season games in the Ice Castle) ...it would take 40 home basketball games for OU to match ...34 home games to match YSU football averaging 10k.

To keep this in basketball ...we will do about the same as Oakland this year in MBB.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Lets_Talk on August 15, 2014, 12:03:58 PM: 1AA fan, I do not want you to go insane. So, let me see if I can explain my FIRST post to you, without discussing football attendance. I like the way Oakland plays a strong OOC schedule. I like that they are willing to play multiple NCAA tournament caliber teams from major conferences on the road. And, I like that they are able to put together a much better home schedule than does YSU.

The comment about "blood games" for basketball is because I remember Italian Penguin stating that the kind of teams myself and others would like to see on the home OOC schedule would only consider playing at YSU if given a financial guarantee. I came up with 3 or 4 games, because YSU usually plays 15-16 OOC games, depending on if they are in an exempt tournament. Football plays 4 OOC games in a year where 12 games are allowed. They play 3 in a season when only 11 games are allowed. 1 of 4 is 25%... 1 of 3 is 33 percent. Football is REQUIRED to do this in order to help fund not only football, but EVERY other sport at YSU. So, since lack of money is an issue for the men's basketball team, it is not unreasonable to REQUIRE the basketball team to play 3-4 "blood" games (25-35%) as part of their 15-16 OOC games. This money would then be put back into the basketball program. The players would get to play against major programs, in front of large crowds. The games might even be carried on cable networks, such as Fox Sports, Big Ten Network, PAC 12 Network, or SEC Network. And, if this were to happen, that would mean being able to sell recruits on playing teams like Kentucky, UCLA, Oregon, Michigan, OSU, Indiana, UNC...etc, and also being able to play on TV. Not ESPN 3 or HL Network, but actually television. Also, YSU fans willing to travel, or who live close to where these "blood games" are played can go to the games and experience a great atmosphere.

So, for this discussion, let's say 4 "blood games" on a 15 game OOC schedule. That leaves 11 games. YSU could still play 2 games against non D1 teams at home, since Slocum seems to like doing this. That leaves 9 games. YSU plays KENT and RMU every year. When they play at RMU, the game with KENT is at YSU. This gives YSU 3 home games and 5 road games, with 7 spots left to fill. Use the money from the "blood games" to schedule 3 quality HL level teams and 2 teams from bottom tier conferences at home. This gives YSU 8 home games and 5 on the road. Provided there are no return games owed any schools other than RMU and KENT, then use the last 2 spots for D1 games. If possible, schedule 2 more home games against D1 teams, even if they are against teams that are not very good. Try to schedule teams that are within 2-3 hr drive of YSU if possible. Even 4-5 hour drive leaves alot of options, and plenty of schools that people in Ytown are familiar with, and with whom YSU has played in the past in basketball, and also other sports.

This would be 10 home and 5 away. Maybe there is a road game owed, so YSU ends up with 9 home and 6 away. Depending on quality of YSU's team, they may only win 4 or 5 OOC games. A better YSU team might win 7 or 8, and then be well tested and prepared for HL competition. They also will have played a decent home schedule, which means more fans, and more fans is good for the players and the program. What good has it been doing YSU to win 9 or 10 OOC games against a weak schedule, only to have a losing record in the HL?
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Lets_Talk on August 15, 2014, 12:40:54 PM: I promise this will be a shorter post, and apologize for the other lengthy posts on this thread. I wish I could say I was surprised by this schedule, but I am not. To me, it looks like a schedule set up to artificially inflate the teams record, and also help Slocum add wins to his career total.

I have no idea why anyone would go to the games against Wilberforce, Oberlin and Thiel, let alone buy tickets for any of these games. As for the D1 teams on the home schedule, the only game worth going to see is
KENT.

There is NO excuse I will buy for YSU to have this OOC schedule. :-[
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: ysufan0505 on August 15, 2014, 01:01:23 PM: I usually try to attend every home game, but after seeing this schedule. Nope, I will only attend the Kent game. The team is going to stink, and so does this schedule. I'm not gonna sit there and watch them run up the score on some team that there tallest player is 6-4. It's disgraceful. Go ahead and pad the stats for Jerry boy, I won't be there. They have lost my support
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: ELPENGUIN on August 16, 2014, 07:52:57 AM: 5:05 Go back to the baseboard. I now recognize what type of fan you are. Would not want you anywhere near a YSU athletic event..........you do not deserve YSU.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Lets_Talk on August 16, 2014, 09:20:35 AM: El Penguin, here is the thing I do not understand when people such as yourself make comments like this. You are a season ticket holder. You travel to away games for multiple YSU sports, and attend more sports than just basketball and football at home.

But, how does telling a person with a different opinion from you they are not a fan, and are not needed by YSU do anything to help YSU. Given the attendance figures for YSU sports, the athletics department needs all the fans they can get. And, for all you or I know, 0505 and others who share his point of view may well be graduates of YSU. ???

I see the same things done to people out here in Vegas on the UNLV fan boards. People telling those who may not go to any football games, or who only go to 1-2 per year they are "not real fans", and not needed by UNLV. This for a program that struggles to average the required 15,000 fans per game in football. And, as for UNLV basketball, while still good, there has been a HUGE dropoff from the days of Tark.

I will NEVER understand how telling people with differing opinions they are not fans, or that they are not needed by YSU is of help to YSU? And, going to tons of games, and being blatantly loyal and accepting of mediocrity, does not mean one is a "true fan". Nor does a person who wants and demands more than mediocrity, and is tired of year after year after year of what passes for D1 non conference basketball at YSU, and what passes for football at a supposed "football school" ???
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: OleYSUfan on August 16, 2014, 10:37:38 AM: Let's talk:

Excellent reply; many fans are tired of the mediocrity in our basketball program.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: IAA Fan on August 17, 2014, 09:54:34 AM: Quote from: OleYSUfan on August 16, 2014, 10:37:38 AM
Let's talk:

Excellent reply; many fans are tired of the mediocrity in our basketball program.

Many of us are, but we do not make comment like "I usually attend every home game" and this year I will not. Especially considering this is better than most schedules over the past few years. You find venues to express your concerns over the schedule ...such as this board. You can attend a Penguin club meeting and speak there. You can write a letter to the Athletic department. You can write a letter to the Vindy, the Trib, or other media venue. Look at those two guys that talks sports on public access ...I call them click and clack. They should be discussing everything that lives about YSU athletic, but they live in this OSU, Cleveland and HS lovefest area. Write them every day and ask that it become a topic of conversation on their show. ELPenguins is just saying that you can express concerns about YSU without attacking ...sounds quite reasonable.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: ELPENGUIN on August 18, 2014, 07:55:35 AM: Thank You 1-AA.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: ysufan0505 on August 18, 2014, 11:47:13 AM: ElPenguin needs to calm down. I'm not attacking. I am simply just saying that this schedule is an embarrassment to YSU athletic dept...... And that I will not be attending the weenie home games they scheduled, and YES i attended YSU so there have at it.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Lets_Talk on August 23, 2014, 02:19:21 PM: Here is what I have been able to find out as far as OOC games for HL schools other than YSU, UDM and Oakland, which so far are the only 3 schools to release their full OOC Schedules.

Valpo has HOME a game against New Mexico(27-7 last year, played in NCAA Tournament) . Also home against EKU(24-10 advanced to 2nd round of NCAA Tournament) as a return for last bracket-buster game...they also play at Missouri(23-12 last year, 2nd round NIT), and in a tournament in Nashville. Opponents in the Nashville Tournament will be Drake(MVC team went 15-16 last year), Murray State(23-11, OVC West Champs and won CIT) and Portland(play in West Coast Conference...15-16 record last year) ..... nice schedule so far

* UWM - will be hosting Wisconsin(30-8, NCAA Final Four), UMKC(10-20), IUPUI(6-26), Northern Illinois(15-17), Concordia University(non D1), Minnesota-Crookston(non D1).... Home schedule is almost as bad as YSU's. Only saving grace is Wisconsin

road games at DePaul(Big East 12-21 last year), Arkansas(22-12, NIT), South Dakota(12-18... YSU also plays at South Dakota)

MGM Grand Main Event(2 games in Las Vegas)...road games at Oklahoma State(21-13..lost in 1st round of NCAA Tournament) and Auburn(14-16) as part of ... UWM will then play TBD and either LA-Laffayette(23-12, 2nd Round NCAA Tournament) or Oral Roberts(17-16), with both games at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas

solid road/neutral site schedule
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Commissioner on August 23, 2014, 09:08:04 PM: Horizon non-conference schedules are being collected here http://udtitanbasketball.freeforums.net/thread/262/2014-15-horizon-schedules?page=1. Lots of info on all 9 teams.
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: Lets_Talk on August 24, 2014, 01:34:37 PM: Thank you for the link!!!
Title: Re: 2014-15 Mens Basketball Schedule
Post by: ysuguins4 on August 29, 2014, 12:27:38 PM: That link really shows how weak the schedule is. Not only do we have the three non D1 teams, but Longwood and Kennesaw State were two of the worst teams in all of D1 last year.