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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: JP21 on November 26, 2013, 11:24:07 PM
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Just can't seem to shake not making the playoffs this year. I guess I should be used to it by now, but I figured this year we could make another run, just very disappointing to say the least! I remember the teams of the 90's but I was too young to really appreciate it. Just want to experience that again as an adult, where I can really take in the moment and enjoy it. GO GUINS!!!!
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Teams that were invited to the post-season:
1. Furman (7-5), lost to Elon (2-10)
2. Lafayette (5-6)
3. New Hampshire (7-4)
4. Sam Houston State (8-4), lost last two games by a collective margin of 31 points.
5. Southern Utah (8-4)
6. Samford (8-4)
and a team with an MVFC schedule, also 8-4, gets excluded.
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UNH, SHSU,and Souther Utah should have been behind us.
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Teams that were invited to the post-season:
1. Furman (7-5), lost to Elon (2-10)
2. Lafayette (5-6)
3. New Hampshire (7-4)
4. Sam Houston State (8-4), lost last two games by a collective margin of 31 points.
5. Southern Utah (8-4)
6. Samford (8-4)
and a team with an MVFC schedule, also 8-4, gets excluded.
Furman and Lafayette were automatic bids as SoCon and Patriot champions.
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If the ultimate goal is another National Championship, then IMO we don't have the right coach in place. I understand that a playoff bid might help recruiting a little bit but, even with a slight upgrade in talent, we will get out coached alot. Wolf lost me during the NDSU game this year. I agree it stings to not be in the playoffs but, we ALL know that we were not going to make a deep run this year. The future once again looks cloudy.
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If the ultimate goal is another National Championship, then IMO we don't have the right coach in place. I understand that a playoff bid might help recruiting a little bit but, even with a slight upgrade in talent, we will get out coached alot. Wolf lost me during the NDSU game this year. I agree it stings to not be in the playoffs but, we ALL know that we were not going to make a deep run this year. The future once again looks cloudy.
You know how difficult it is to get us back to championship levels? We've seen that the playoff committee is going to do us no favors, so we are pretty much stuck now with either winning this league, which would require us beating NDSU, or finishing with 9 wins, which most years is extremely difficult with an 11 game schedule.
I truly believe that ocen we get to the playoffs, we can make a run at it. Sure our FCS Portion of our non scholarship schedule is weak, but our FBS game and the MVFC tilt prepares us better than these teams out of the other leagues.
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After losing the last two the way we did it was clear that we would not win the NC. I didn't think we deserved the playoffs because of how we lost and how we played and how we coached, but after looking a the field of teams, especially the non autobid teams like Southern Utah, UNH, Jaskonville, and SHSU, YSU had the resume that was needed to get in. UNi and SIU also had good cases and at least one or two of us should have been there. All of the MVFC teams had better resumes.
The selection committee needs to be tracked down and held accountable for their decisions and failure to follow established protocol. They cannot be allowed to change the rules to fit the teams they want in the playoff games. Bourne said that the selection process started many weeks ago-yes it sure did, it started by them trying to find a way to leave the MVFC teams out of the field. We clearly play in the toughest conference and the excuses were sorry. They have now added winning league games (with no quantity listed) and how you played vs DIV1A (BCS) competition into the formula. UNI beat their FBS opponent, had 7 division 1 wins and a very good OOC win against McNeese State (a playoff team) and was left out becuase why? The answer-They didn't win enough league games. YSU won league games but they lost their last 3. They stated that you have to have "momentum". They have used that one on us in the past, more specifically 2005 and 2007, but SHSU lost their last two and they were allowed in.
They have held YSU to a higher standard now for years, but this year it was applied tothe entire MVFC. The AD's have to be going nuts. We need to protest so that the process is fair and there is a way to do that. You set up a matrix with all of the requirements and you weight each componenent so winning 7 div 1 games is worth 7 points 8 games 8 etc.. You pick the wins as the highes factor so that number get multiplied by 10, next factor is the GpI, the next is the won lost record of your opponenets each has a lower factor etc, etc. You can then fairly differentiate the teams that deserve to be in vs the ones that don't deserve to be in.
If there was any year we deserved to get in, it was this year. The sting got me a few days later.
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You know how difficult it is to get us back to championship levels? We've seen that the playoff committee is going to do us no favors, so we are pretty much stuck now with either winning this league, which would require us beating NDSU, or finishing with 9 wins, which most years is extremely difficult with an 11 game schedule.
I truly believe that ocen we get to the playoffs, we can make a run at it. Sure our FCS Portion of our non scholarship schedule is weak, but our FBS game and the MVFC tilt prepares us better than these teams out of the other leagues.
I do not agree. This is why I was upset with the change in the first place. Do you know how long it takes a coach to get into the play-off? ..then double that to refine your coaching skills enough to make an honest run. Coach T made a very nice adjustment in only a couple of years ...that is rare. It is a skill that does not come with coaches that step down from IA/FBS. You need to work on special plays, formations and such in summer & spring. Then not use those again until you need them in the post season. Very hard to find the time to do. Tressel did not have a conference to worry about. This is why the luxury of a "light" schedule is great to have.
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By the looks of things below, I'd say the cards were stacked against us LOL!! Anyways can't cry over spilled milk. Roar out to 8-1 with a front loaded weak schedule and finish with the 3 best teams in conference and lose each week looking worse each time. This team and coaching staff had 3 chances to get it done and could not pull it off. I'd say the committee got it right not taking the Guins..
I'd like to see the playoff's go to the best 16 teams period.. No auto bids.
Or another choice someone suggested on AGS was to only take the 11 Conference champs :-\
Any way you slice it, I believe YSU gets the short end from the Tressel era of misconduct.. and he's been gone for awhile :(
Here's the committee this year:
Jeff Barber, director of athletics at Liberty University.
Torre Chisholm, director of athletics at Portland State University.
Troy Dannen, director of Athletics at the University of Northern Iowa.
Robert Hill, director of athletics at Stephen F. Austin State University.
Brian Hutchinson, director of athletics at Morehead State University.
Charlene M. Johnson, director of athletics at South Carolina State University.
Richard Johnson, director of athletics at Wofford College.
Frank McLaughlin, associate vice president at Fordham University.
Paul Schlickmann, director of athletics at Central Connecticut State University.
Mark Wilson, director of athletics at Tennessee Technological University.
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I'm not convinced by these conspiracy theories. I find it more likely to believe the rumor that some of the selection committee actually watched the SDSU game and came away unimpressed with what they saw. You know, the game that was so bad that even some YSU fans booed when the team left the field at half time. We keep ignoring how badly Wolford & Co. messed up . YSU football will never improve if we keep blaming others for YSU's obvious mistakes.
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I'm not convinced by these conspiracy theories. I find it more likely to believe the rumor that some of the selection committee actually watched the SDSU game and came away unimpressed with what they saw. You know, the game that was so bad that even some YSU fans booed when the team left the field at half time. We keep ignoring how badly Wolford & Co. messed up . YSU football will never improve if we keep blaming others for YSU's obvious mistakes.
Thank you.
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I'm not convinced by these conspiracy theories. I find it more likely to believe the rumor that some of the selection committee actually watched the SDSU game and came away unimpressed with what they saw. You know, the game that was so bad that even some YSU fans booed when the team left the field at half time. We keep ignoring how badly Wolford & Co. messed up . YSU football will never improve if we keep blaming others for YSU's obvious mistakes.
I still believe there is a cloud over YSU from the Tres area. A conspiracy to keep YSU out of the playoff? Nooo... but It's still a talking point in the 1 FCS world.
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By the looks of things below, I'd say the cards were stacked against us LOL!! Anyways can't cry over spilled milk. Roar out to 8-1 with a front loaded weak schedule and finish with the 3 best teams in conference and lose each week looking worse each time. This team and coaching staff had 3 chances to get it done and could not pull it off. I'd say the committee got it right not taking the Guins..
I'd like to see the playoff's go to the best 16 teams period.. No auto bids.
Or another choice someone suggested on AGS was to only take the 11 Conference champs :-\
Any way you slice it, I believe YSU gets the short end from the Tressel era of misconduct.. and he's been gone for awhile :(
Here's the committee this year:
Jeff Barber, director of athletics at Liberty University.
Torre Chisholm, director of athletics at Portland State University.
Troy Dannen, director of Athletics at the University of Northern Iowa.
Robert Hill, director of athletics at Stephen F. Austin State University.
Brian Hutchinson, director of athletics at Morehead State University.
Charlene M. Johnson, director of athletics at South Carolina State University.
Richard Johnson, director of athletics at Wofford College.
Frank McLaughlin, associate vice president at Fordham University.
Paul Schlickmann, director of athletics at Central Connecticut State University.
Mark Wilson, director of athletics at Tennessee Technological University.
Jeff Barber, director of athletics at Liberty University.
jbarber2@liberty.edu
Torre Chisholm, director of athletics at Portland State University.
chisholm@pdx.edu
Troy Dannen, director of Athletics at the University of Northern Iowa.
troy.dannen@uni.edu
Robert Hill, director of athletics at Stephen F. Austin State University.
rhill@sfasu.edu
Brian Hutchinson, director of athletics at Morehead State University.
b.hutchinson@moreheadstate.edu
Charlene M. Johnson, director of athletics at South Carolina State University.
cmjohnson@scsu.edu
Richard Johnson, director of athletics at Wofford College.
athletics@wofford.edu This guy appraently screens his email thru his secretary
Frank McLaughlin, associate vice president at Fordham University.
fmclaughlin@fordham.edu
Paul Schlickmann, director of athletics at Central Connecticut State University.
paul.schlickmann@ccsu.edu
Mark Wilson, director of athletics at Tennessee Technological University.
MWilson@tntech.edu
Jeff Bourne
bournejt@jmu.edu
There is the contact information. A nicley worded mass email should be sent to address accountability. Jeff Bourne looks to be the main issue since he is from James Madison. Enough Said there.
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yeah that oughta do it. Mass email the committee and ask them why a team that folded up the card table 3 weeks from the money round, didn't get in to the playoffs. That shouldn't hurt the stigma of YSU or the surrounding fans at all. :o
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yeah that oughta do it. Mass email the committee and ask them why a team that folded up the card table 3 weeks from the money round, didn't get in to the playoffs. That shouldn't hurt the stigma of YSU or the surrounding fans at all. :o
Bourne said you had to be winning your final games, but the took SHSU who had less division 1 wins and lost 2 games. The issue is that they changed the rules yet again. That is the issue. The MVFC deserved more than 2 teams. They could have taken UNI. They beat their fbs foe, they beat a highly ranked McNeese state team, they were ranked high in the GPI, the achieved 7 division 1 wins, they beat a ranked YSU team and none of their losses were blowouts. Instead the took 3 other less deserving teams. We still achieved 8 wins. We still beat our OOC opponents.
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My favorite time of year.... Reading the conspiracy theories that kept poor old YSU out of the playoffs. Had nothing to do with 3 cupcake wins and crapping the bed at years end. Nope they seem to hold a team with 1 playoff appearance in 12 years to higher standards. Lol
I will say that once they start to get back in regularly they will get the benefit of the doubt when it is close. Until that happens it will be tough.
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My favorite time of year.... Reading the conspiracy theories that kept poor old YSU out of the playoffs. Had nothing to do with 3 cupcake wins and crapping the bed at years end. Nope they seem to hold a team with 1 playoff appearance in 12 years to higher standards. Lol
I will say that once they start to get back in regularly they will get the benefit of the doubt when it is close. Until that happens it will be tough.
yep.
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My favorite time of year.... Reading the conspiracy theories that kept poor old YSU out of the playoffs. Had nothing to do with 3 cupcake wins and crapping the bed at years end. Nope they seem to hold a team with 1 playoff appearance in 12 years to higher standards. Lol
I will say that once they start to get back in regularly they will get the benefit of the doubt when it is close. Until that happens it will be tough.
I agree with you. But only 2 teams from the valley? Wow, that seems like a big miss.
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My favorite time of year.... Reading the conspiracy theories that kept poor old YSU out of the playoffs. Had nothing to do with 3 cupcake wins and crapping the bed at years end. Nope they seem to hold a team with 1 playoff appearance in 12 years to higher standards. Lol
I will say that once they start to get back in regularly they will get the benefit of the doubt when it is close. Until that happens it will be tough.
Spot on here^^
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My favorite time of year.... Reading the conspiracy theories that kept poor old YSU out of the playoffs. Had nothing to do with 3 cupcake wins and crapping the bed at years end. Nope they seem to hold a team with 1 playoff appearance in 12 years to higher standards. Lol
I will say that once they start to get back in regularly they will get the benefit of the doubt when it is close. Until that happens it will be tough.
I agree with you. But only 2 teams from the valley? Wow, that seems like a big miss.
I said it before.. the MVC has the best team and two decent teams and the rest are sh**ty.. unfortunately the other decent team had a 5 game skid 8)
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It's very difficult to truly compare top conferences since most don't play each other out of conference. The MVC plays Midwest regional patsies and the CAA plays east coast regional patsies. Probably the same with other conferences. So is the third place MVC team better than the third place CAA team or the second place Big South team? How the hell could anyone figure that out? Unless you win a conference or have 2 or less losses it is a complete crap shoot.
Lets not forget one point. Other than those of us nuts that follow this level of football, it is largely irrelevant. What possible incentive would a committee have to chose one team over another? Some presidents are probably secretly happy their teams get left out because they hemmorhage money in the playoffs
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^^^^^^^plus one times a million. I-AA was intended as welfare for division one. You get the same division in name but a designation that allows you to work hard to overcome financial inequities. In the grand scheme of things, who cares, unless this long twisted road of playoffs and committees gains something, That something being the CASH that FBS conferences and football bowl games garner. In such a conservative town i thought this would be understood.
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Not sure the issue this year is MVFC vs. CAA but the OVC, SoCon, and Southland, which were overrated. A solution might be to have an MVFC challenge day against a conference, much like they do in basketball. Imagine previous year MVFC #1 v. Southland #1, MVFC #2 vs. Southland #2, etc. Something like that would settle many of these issues on the field. Or do it with OVC simply because it is geographically close.
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The anti-YSU conspiracy theories get old. This years team was 8-1 with 3 games to play. Win just ONE game, and YSU hosts a first round game. And, the NCAA committee does NOT rely heavily on the GPI. They use the NCAA rating system, which still had YSU as the odd team out, even if Sam Houston and the one other at-large team below YSU is the SRS(think that is t he name) were not chosen.
Secondly, the ONLY reason YSU was even in consideration for a playoff spot is the field has been expanded to add AQ'a from conferences which previously did not get an AQ bid. 2 new AQ's were added this year, but so were 2 new at-large spots.
Let's look at the so called "snubs":
1996 - YSU finsihes 8-3, but with 3 wins over D2 teams, and no "signature wins"
2001 - YSU finishes 8-3, with 2 wins over D2 teams... They also lost AT HOME to WKU, a team with which YSU finished tied for 2nd in the GFC. And, of course, there was the annual loss to UNI.
2002 - YSU finishes 7-4...again, no signature wins..losses to UNI at home, WKU on the road and OOC to McNeese State at home
2005 - YSU is 7-1/4-0, and loses at UNI(4-3/2-2 entering the game).. YSU then loses at SIU the following week... No "siganture" wins, and a 41-0 drubbing at PITT
2011 - YSU finishes 6-5...all the needed was a win in the last game, AT HOME agains last place Missouri State, and they lost
2012 - YSU finishes 7-4... Had a "signature win" at PITT...then lost 4 straight games in October
2013 - Started 8-1 against a fairly soft schedule.. This was the season the motto was "Leave No Doubt"... Well, they sure left no doubt by losing the final 3 games, including to a UNI team decimated by injuries, then getting embarrassed at home by SDSU in the season finale. And, in the UNI loss, YSU led 14-3 at halftime, only to get outscored 16-6 in the 4th quarter, and have UNI drive 56 yards in 14 plays to kick a FG on last play of the game... a UNI team that entered with a 5 game losing streak, and nothing to play for but pride.
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21....I do hope you'll get to go the MAX with YSU Football in your lifetime.
I went to Chattanoga
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Sorry if I came across ed as hostile to you. It was directed more at others who post on this site. The 90's were a magical decade for YSU football. I went to all 6 title games, plus several playoff games home and away. And, for me it was very special, because I graduated from YSU in June 1991, and knew many of the players on the 91 team. So, it was not just my Alma Mater and hometown school wining, it was people I knew. I some cases, people I knew since middle school.
92 was also special, even though the team lost in the NC game. 93 and 94 I still knew some of the players and coaches.
97 and 99, I knew less players, but enough that it was still a chance to see people I knew personally doing things I would never have dreamed possible from ANY sports team at YSU. And, I also knew several people in the Administration and a few coaches.
To be honest, if Jim Tressel were hired today, I do not think he could replicate the success of the teams from 89-2000. So many things went right for YSU. It was a different time in the Ytown area, and the talent pool of local players to draw from was much deeper. YSU football went from a laughing stock in the Mahoning Valley and among YSU students, to a source of pride for the entire community.
One last point. Alot of people seem to be trying to compare Wolf to Heacock. I think a better comparison is the state of YSU football when Tressel was hired, with the state of YSU football when Tress was hired. Wolf came in bad mouthing the previous coach and players. He talked brash. He was given a salary double the previous coach, and so many other things with the specific purpose of making YSU a top tier FCS program. This was not the case when Tressel was hired. And, alot of people seem to dismiss just how special Tress, his staff and the players were. YSU was basically a 6-5 program in a typical year before Tress. He built something special, then carried that success to OSU.
YSU has 11 playoff appearances at the FCS level since moving to FCS in 1981. And, 10 of those were while Tressel was coach. Maybe, just maybe, a big problem is alot of people do not give Tress, his staff and players enough credit? Maybe, just maybe, the Tressel era was a mirage of sorts, and what YSU football has become in the post Tressel days is simply the true YSU football program?
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Not sure the issue this year is MVFC vs. CAA but the OVC, SoCon, and Southland, which were overrated. A solution might be to have an MVFC challenge day against a conference, much like they do in basketball. Imagine previous year MVFC #1 v. Southland #1, MVFC #2 vs. Southland #2, etc. Something like that would settle many of these issues on the field. Or do it with OVC simply because it is geographically close.
I like the challenge idea, would have to be on a two year cycle. big sky, ovc southern.
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I had a chance to watch some of the games again and to me it looks like the offense and defense are not allowed to check off or change the called play. Waiting for the offensive sideline adjustments allowed for too many delay of game penalties or time outs wasted. Many times the D-line looked like they were more in the right place at the wrong time. I know the D-line has been highly criticized, but after watching some of the games again, I believe that more than the players should take the brunt of criticism.
I would really like to know what the coaching mindset is on some of this, but doubt if I ever will.