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Here we go!!!
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Can't drop catchable balls 2 passes in a row to start the game.
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Every weakness we have is exposed already. Lousy return game, poor receivers, and a D-line that is easily pushed to the side ...everything Dayton did to us.
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This defense is SLLOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW
We aren't going anywhere this year
on the other hand outside of the drops the offense is doing fine, MSU doesn't have a sack yet and our WRs are getting wide open but cant catch
i feel bad for Hess he never has been surrounded by good talent
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Defense can't get off blocks. They are picking on the transfer McKoy
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Our DL SsssssssUuuuuuuuuuuuuKkkkkkSssssssssssssssssss
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Our defense is looking really bad.
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Time to put in 2nd-string and collect our check ...and yes Childs needs replaced. He is getting picked on.
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Moss is terrible but continues to start for some reason, he's just so small and dreadfully slow and he's been injured time and time again over the last 5 years, what a terrible offer he was
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Wow you guys.... This is MICHIGAN STATE. The big 10 for Christ's sake. Some of you make me laugh lol. Wanting to fire everybody.... Calm down
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Yes we look slow.... Because its MICHIGAN STATE. This isn't Pitt with its first game under a new head coach. These guys are a step up from us.... As they should be
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Wow you guys.... This is MICHIGAN STATE. The big 10 for Christ's sake. Some of you make me laugh lol. Wanting to fire everybody.... Calm down
Michigan State has a dogsh*t football team, a Defensive End had more TDs then their entire team combined outside of him comming into today for Chris Sake, they are absoltuley god awful, they are worse then pitt from last year
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Wow you guys.... This is MICHIGAN STATE. The big 10 for Christ's sake. Some of you make me laugh lol. Wanting to fire everybody.... Calm down
Michigan State has a dogsh*t football team, a Defensive End had more TDs then their entire team combined outside of him comming into today for Chris Sake, they are absoltuley god awful, they are worse then pitt from last year
That's completely false. Their defense is top 10 in the country. The offense might suck a little but their defense is no joke so therefore they are not a "dogsh*t" football team.
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And no way they are worse than Pitt last yr
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Well they are ranked 3rd in total defense. It may have been against 2 cupcakes but it's not like their defense is terrible.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22/p1
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Well they are ranked 3rd in total defense. It may have been against 2 cupcakes but it's not like their defense is terrible.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22/p1
Its not like they have a good defense either.
Mich State couldn't even win the MVC, YSU is in for a LOOOOOONG Year
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Wow you guys.... This is MICHIGAN STATE. The big 10 for Christ's sake. Some of you make me laugh lol. Wanting to fire everybody.... Calm down
Michigan State has a dogsh*t football team, a Defensive End had more TDs then their entire team combined outside of him comming into today for Chris Sake, they are absoltuley god awful, they are worse then pitt from last year
That's completely false. Their defense is top 10 in the country. The offense might suck a little but their defense is no joke so therefore they are not a "dogsh*t" football team.
No its legit, They dont have a top 10 defense , they played 2 teams worse then YSU and YSU.
They are a dogsh*t football team
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EVERYONE. it does us no good to attack each other. Let's hear some specifics ...good or bad.
Right now my hat is off to coach M for dialing up some chance for us early in Q2. It is also off to Hess. I also would like to thank Ruiz for his contributions.
On the negative side ...line play is inconsistent ...great and then horrid. There are no receivers taking charge. Why are we not playing off Calhoon? He is a great player, but very unorthodox ...we need more two-back sets so we can pop him in the mouth a few times.
I also want to know why MSU has not been called for holding about 10-times? That outside lineman has been holding all day, and we are playing so badly, that it looks like we cannot get off him ...but he is holding.
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ANOTHER HUGE HOLD!!!. This time for a TD!!! See what happens when you are so pathetic that the refs do not even look anymore. This hold could not have been more that 2-yards from the official.
Of course, a YSU trademark ...midget tailbacks have career days against us.
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Wheary has no business being a starter right now..... Cant hold onto the ball. 1st two plays of the game and now a kickoff return.... Wow.
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I am so dissapointed in YSU's effort today. We are better then what we showed, so many dropped passes, especially from the beginning of the game with the botched kickoff and two consecutive dropped passes. I expected much more from our defense. I am very depressed right now, and admitedly in a state of shock. While I did not really expect to win I expected MUCH, MUCH more than what YSU showed.
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We at least scored more than any other them did against them so far this year!!!!! :o
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I am so dissapointed in YSU's effort today. We are better then what we showed, so many dropped passes, especially from the beginning of the game with the botched kickoff and two consecutive dropped passes. I expected much more from our defense. I am very depressed right now, and admitedly in a state of shock. While I did not really expect to win I expected MUCH, MUCH more than what YSU showed.
not to depress u any more than you are, but our defense is second rate. If you think about it the offense had the ball for 19 minutes and tried to run the 25 second clock out each play, but if you uook at the number of possessions it tells a different story. The defense couldn't get off the field against an average BCS offense. We couldn't get pressure with every single poorly designed blitz we had. The defensive backs weren't challenging their receivers either. The defense looks as bad as it was under Kravits. Wolford has the K-State mentallity for a football team and we all know the powerhouse that Snyder built- a bowl game every decade. F that Carl. I'm done with this deal. We should be breaking out as an elite team and we are looking losers because we don't have the defensive capability, we don't know how to extract the talent and worst of all we gave up and we didn't fight to the end. We rolled over late in the game because it didn't matter and they sucked for that reason. Fight to the end. Play like men.
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Thoughts from the game.
Hats off to the fans that made the trip. I hope more bus trips are made available.
Mich. State is not as bad as some said they were but not as good as their fans think they are. If anyone thought this was going to be a close game they didn't show it.
Spartan players are much bigger than the Penguins. They beat on us all day.
To the refs: There is such a thing as a holding call.
We did look good at times, so there is some hope.
I thought the D front four would play all out, but it appeared that they were afraid to get burned by doing so.
As far as firing Wolford over this, there has to be someone out there much better that would come to YSU before you ditch what you have. I don't know who that would be. Things will get tough for the athletic department with the loss of the big money games.
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They were just bigger, stronger, faster than we were. Plain and simple. It doesn't mean we are regressing. They are the Big10. For a reason. Yes FCS teams are beating Big10 teams, but we are not on the level of NDSU and UNI yet. No matter what you want to believe.... Are we improved? Yes. But it's not like we were gonna go out there and win the national championship. All the wins these FCS teams are having are getting to our heads. We are not on that level yet. Sad but true
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I'd say YSU has regressed. Last year we beat Pitt and UNI. This year a PFL team only loses by 18 in our house. In 2011 we lost to Sparty by a lot less and were actually competitive for most of the game (Hess was 21/25), and beat the nat'l champs in their dome. In 2010 we were beating a Big 10 team in the second quarter.
The Dayton game made me realize that the Championship era is over, and its not coming back (anytime soon anyway). During the Heacock years, I just thought we had to wait until he was canned and replaced. Now it seems that the root problem lies higher up in the Athletic Department.
Should people be fired for the East Lansing Massacre? No, but if we are yet again not invited to the playoffs, than there should be some accountability. BTW, IMO the only likely path to the playoffs is no more losses until UNI on November 9th.
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0505, this is where I do not agree. We have yet to be any better than any team that coach H had ...less the year we were loaded with injuries and only won 3-games (the year we converted to the spread). This team is not better than the year prior to Wolf's arrival. In fact, it is not any better than last year's team. My issues:
- Wolf recruits great "individual" players, but fails to recruit a great "team".
- Wolf's best players are not his recruits, yet he causes a mass-exodus that is much worse than one would expect with a new coach. So what if we still had those players? Logic tells me that we would have had a better team a couple of years ago.
- Wolf seems to not know the MVFC. We do not have a team playing the right "style" of ball (particularly defense) to complete in our conference. Now if our goal is to build a team for the MAC, as many have thought ...we 'might' be okay.
To compete in the MVFC, we need to :
1. become MUCH deeper up front. No less than 11-starters up-front on BOTH sides of the ball. Use all of them every game.
2. Become much taller in the secondary.
3. Become much better in man-to-man coverage.
4. Become an explosive rushing offense once again. Speed AND size. This includes more 2-back sets.
You see, as fans, the people of Youngstown are used to seeing ball played a certain way. Now clearly every coach prior to Wolf knows this ...and Wolf probably does as well. I guess we are resistant to change. Now right or wrong, it is what it is. We do not mind that you change things ...if it is successful.
Examples:
Tressel came in and tried to play ball like EKU (the powerhouse at the time). It was not working, and I was calling for his head. {Honestly I was probably upset about what they did to Duzzer, so I could have been biased}. So about 1989, Tressel changed to an option-style of ball and kept the EKU-style defense ...they brought in Heacock as defensive assistant to help Dantonio, and our defense became one like Michigan's. Great combo ...the rest is history until OSU & the Gateway came calling. We move to the Gateway and compete very well ...including a national title with our option game. Only UNI seemed to be able to stop our spread/option O. Then Tressel decides to start playing Big-10 ball on offense ...2-years later he is in the Big-10 ...no coincidence. Along comes coach H.
Coach H kept playing that outdated style of offense; however, we were big and hit hard ...very entertaining. The team entered the field with 4- flags representing our accomplishments & expectations (not the American flag). Then again as our conference changed, we became less competitive. I was calling for his head about 3-4 years in. Then we had a very successful 2006 & I shut-up about letting him go. Then when he decides to move ahead of the game and (probably too quickly) switch us to more of a spread/option club ...the university decides to let him go.
Along comes Coach W. Again I fully admit that I was not happy at the timing of releasing coach H, so I am sure I have some bias. We are now in the 4-year mark of his tenure, and like his two most immediate predecessors ...I am calling for his head. Again I could be wrong & better things are to come under Wolf. I hope so.
However, if you are going to change things so drastically, you better have some success at it ...and be quick about it. Right now, Wolf has changed things (especially on defense) and is not successful.
Youngstown fans do not mind losing if you play the game well, but we have yet to see a well-payed game against a good team. (I am sorry, but Pitt and UNI were not good teams last year). We are a tough blue-collar town, and that is just how we like our football. We shove it down their throats on both sides of the ball, and if you happen to beat us ...you limp away knowing you played "Youngstown". Fans pack the stands to see a good game of ball & love to see hard hits, solids runs, crisp passes on offense. We love hard-hitting and penetrating defenses that force unadvised passes and QB-keepers, with a secondary & linebackers that takes advantage of it.
Coach Wolf, if you can understand the "book" that I just wrote here; you can spend the rest of your career in Youngstown, and you will have people at "will-call" booths every fall Saturday.
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I've slept on it and thought it over. It was an embarrassing day. Make no mistake , MSU is not going to be a top half of the Big 10 team. They are lower half. That O of theirs is due to be manhandled. That said, as the MVFC begins to unfold, I suspect the true state of the program is going to be revealed. I think it will be extremely difficult to win in the MVFC and playoffs questionable. When YSU did get a short field , they scored on a very good MSU D. But YSU was kept in a long field situation most of the day and the kicking game I expected to keep MSU in long field was limited. A muffed kick-off return and two dropped passes and YSU was off to a terrible start. Next week is another weenie game. The real season starts in 2 weeks when we kick off the MVFC portion. Will YSU be ready for NDSU, UNI, SDS, etc ?
I doubt it.
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Well they are ranked 3rd in total defense. It may have been against 2 cupcakes but it's not like their defense is terrible.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22/p1
Its not like they have a good defense either.
Mich State couldn't even win the MVC, YSU is in for a LOOOOOONG Year
It must take a lot of effort to try and make yourself look so stupid.
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This was an upsetting game to watch!! and it took a day to quiet my nerves. It boils down to EXECUTION, EXECUTION, EXECUTION!!MSU Did it and YSU did not.
* YSU had no pass rush on MSU's QB Cook; he had more than 8 sec. to throw a pass every time.
* Fumble by Ruiz was big; it allowed MSU to score quickly and put the game out of reach
* Miss tackles all over, but #23 couldn't seem to tackle anyone also he had a great opportunity for a pass
interception from Cook (the ball hit him nearly on the numbers). That play was depth into MSU territory
and could have been easy YSU touchdown.
* Several passes were dropped and then Hess started to miss his targets like the Dayton game. Stubbs did
make a sensational catch in the 1st quarter.
* The fumble by Wheary on the kickoff return hurt; but the game was determined by then.
* MSU did indeed control the line and Torrian Pace didn't have a prayer up the middle.
* YSU defense still has a long, long way to go. The MVCF teams will definitely take advantage of YSU's
defensive passing holes.
* YSU must learn how to hold on to the ball!! These turnovers demoralize everyone.
What happened to Bellamy? I heard he was ready for the Michigan State game.
I remember "Chicken Little" saying: (the sky is falling") well it sure did in E. Lansing
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Michigan State has a dogsh*t football team, a Defensive End had more TDs then their entire team combined outside of him comming into today for Chris Sake, they are absoltuley god awful, they are worse then pitt from last year
Talent evaluation comment of the year.
Happy for Coach Dantonio.
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Michigan State has a dogsh*t football team, a Defensive End had more TDs then their entire team combined outside of him comming into today for Chris Sake, they are absoltuley god awful, they are worse then pitt from last year
Talent evaluation comment of the year.
Happy for Coach Dantonio.
Amen. Crazy how they went from a "dogsh*t" football team to rose bowl champs......
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Congrats to Mark Dantonio. He is a class act. I am really happy for him. Ohio state should have considered him.
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Congrats to Mark Dantonio. He is a class act. I am really happy for him. Ohio state should have considered him.
Coached at Ohio State from 2001 to 2003 taking the head coaching position with Cincy.
"Silver Bullets" defense was one of the best.
Already at Michigan State when his friend Jim Tressel stepped down.
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;)He was also DC at YSU
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I've slept on it and thought it over. It was an embarrassing day. Make no mistake , MSU is not going to be a top half of the Big 10 team. They are lower half. That O of theirs is due to be manhandled. That said, as the MVFC begins to unfold, I suspect the true state of the program is going to be revealed. I think it will be extremely difficult to win in the MVFC and playoffs questionable. When YSU did get a short field , they scored on a very good MSU D. But YSU was kept in a long field situation most of the day and the kicking game I expected to keep MSU in long field was limited. A muffed kick-off return and two dropped passes and YSU was off to a terrible start. Next week is another weenie game. The real season starts in 2 weeks when we kick off the MVFC portion. Will YSU be ready for NDSU, UNI, SDS, etc ?
I doubt it.
BTW this was Paladin's post. He said the Rose Bowl Champion who came within a bad pass interference call from playing for a National Championship was a bottom team in the Big 10 (a bad BCS conference this year).
This is what separates Paladin from the coaches and administration he be little everyday.
If Paladin had a real job in college athletics, and it was to evaluate teams and he made this prediction, he would be FIRED instantly. Reason # 912,238,231 why everything he says is B.S.! It stinks!!!
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;)He was also DC at YSU
Knew that - just commenting on why OSU didn't consider him.
They actually did, but he kept his commitment to MSU and Urban
was a favorite - Urban was with Earle Bruce just before
Earle's wife Jean died. Was very close to both Earle and Jean.
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;)He was also DC at YSU
Knew that - just commenting on why OSU didn't consider him.
They actually did, but he kept his commitment to MSU and Urban
was a favorite - Urban was with Earle Bruce just before
Earle's wife Jean died. Was very close to both Earle and Jean.
Didn't know that
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Good show, jj. Early on, MSU wasn't very good but came on strong as the season progressed especially on O since their D was carrying them. And even the D got even better. Ask Ohio St. But , of course YSU didn't fare well even against a slow developing MSU team. MSU wasn't ranked in the Top 25 then. YSU was ranked #23 in FCS poll. You neglected to discuss my main point -- that YSU didn't look very good and probably wouldn't be ready for NDSU, UNI and SDS. How did that work out ? 8)
At the time, the voters in the polls agreed with me.........................................
"yawn"
8)
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Hey, jj. I just checked further................... not only were the polls in agreement with me, it took Mich st. until Nov before they broke into the Top 25 at #24 before the game with MIch first week-end in Nov. And guess what................ they didn't break into the Top 10 ( at #10) until just before the B1G Championship game with Ohio St............... boy, all those dumb voters and coaches......................... ;D ;D ;D
Of course, everyone knows you don't know your butt. I mean after all, you predict nothing cause you know nothing. Mich. St. didn't get ranked for a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time because they were barely winning games, winning ugly. But , of course, you knew they were going to win the B1G and the Rose Bow way back whenl.
Roflmao.
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And, jj, MSU DID get handled the very next week by lowly Notre Dame 17-13
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
That game cost them any chance of moving into the Top 25 until the beginning of Nov.
8)
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Good teams with great coaching get better as the season progresses.
The rest sit at home and watch bowl games on television.
There is no place like home for the holidays. <sigh>
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Lol at Paladin in a year when it was obvious the Big 10 was down at the start (Michigan almost lost to Akron on the day we played MSU, Paladin said the Rose Bowl champs would finish in the bottom of the worst aha as conference.
That by and large is the most outrageous thing anyone has ever posted on this board. Ever. You're caught red handed , there's no way out of this one.
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"yawn"
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You lose any credit on anything you say from here on out. All you will get as a reply is what's written below.
Just curious, what level were you a coach?
Make no mistake , MSU is not going to be a top half of the Big 10 team. They are lower half. That O of theirs is due to be manhandled.
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Let's break down your comment about Michigan State even more.
You said Michigan State would finish in the lower half of the Big 10 Conference.
You said this even after Purdue got drubbed by Cincinnati and almost lost to Indiana State.
You said this after Illinois got beat by 10 at home against Washington and almost lost to Southern Illinois
You said this after Indiana lost to NAVY!
You said this after Michigan needed a miracle to beat AKRON!
The worst teams in the Big 10 finished with computer rankings of: Purdue 125, Illinois 93, Northwestern 77, Indiana 76. The average computer ranking of those schools is: 92.75 (we'll do you a favor here and round down.
Michigan State will likely finish as the #3 team in the country. Quick math tells me YOU WERE 89 spots away from the correct ranking of Michigan State!!! That means you thought there were 89 teams better than the #3 team in the country.
There are 125 teams that play FBS football. You picked Michigan State closer to Miami Ohio (the worst team in college football) than you did their actual ranking.
No one at the time was predicting Michigan State to finish in the lower half of the Big 10. No body. Many people, (myself included) were picking them as a sleeper because of their good offense and a down conference.
BTW Michigan State was preseason projected to be in the TOP HALF of the Big 10 conference in the pre-season power poll.
So your theory of everyone thought Michigan State was a bad team IS A LIE!
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If I recall correctly, Auburn was unranked at the beginning of the season.
Never felt that rankings mean much of anything but TV hype until the end of the season.
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I agree. But anyone who said Auburn was not a good team after week 3 should never talk college football again. Same to be said for Michigan State. We all saw they had talent.
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JJ--just realize Paladin is a self-made fraud who will have you believe he was once someone important, funnels money into the Penguin Club, and is a top notch talent evaluator. He's none of those. Trust me.
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"yawn"
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JJ--just realize Paladin is a self-made fraud who will have you believe he was once someone important, funnels money into the Penguin Club, and is a top notch talent evaluator. He's none of those. Trust me.
I've realized it for years.
But what he said about Michigan State is one of the most insanely idiotic things ever written on this message board. Ever. And IP, that says a lot!
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Would someone please explain why a forum for YSU sports has become a sounding board for insults to each other? What purpose does any of this accomplish and how does it benefit YSU or any fan posting or lurking?
If the energy expended destroying each other were put to worthwhile gains, maybe- just maybe, the coaches, AD and administration would feel a need to be accountable.
To misquote POGO: " I have seen the enemy and it is us."
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I agree the tone here is negative. But people like paladin will be miserable their whole life. His whole purpose is some beef he had with strollo who stole his lunch money as a kid.
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One thing that I would say about Mr. Strollo is that if nothing else he is VERY approachable. So my suggestion to sports genius Paladin is to come to one of the $1 general admission games and tell Strollo to his face what's wrong with the program. That's cheap entertainment for Pally and maybe he can fix what's wrong with athletics. Strollo would be happy to talk to him. Or Ray Ray and 05 can come to O'Charley's on Monday nights for the coaches radio show where Slocum talks to everyone in the room and they can ask him what's wrong with the program and offer their suggestions.
Problem is none of these folks have the gonads to do any of this. Easy to hide on here. If you're that unhappy with things, get involved. The Penguin Club is always looking for help.
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Would someone please explain why a forum for YSU sports has become a sounding board for insults to each other? What purpose does any of this accomplish and how does it benefit YSU or any fan posting or lurking?
If the energy expended destroying each other were put to worthwhile gains, maybe- just maybe, the coaches, AD and administration would feel a need to be accountable.
To misquote POGO: " I have seen the enemy and it is us."
It's really getting old. There may be as much content attacking fellow posters as there is discussing YSU sports. If someone makes a wacky prediction, have a little fun with it and then move on. Some of the obsession with fellow posters is more than pathetic, its pathological.
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One thing that I would say about Mr. Strollo is that if nothing else he is VERY approachable. So my suggestion to sports genius Paladin is to come to one of the $1 general admission games and tell Strollo to his face what's wrong with the program. That's cheap entertainment for Pally and maybe he can fix what's wrong with athletics. Strollo would be happy to talk to him. Or Ray Ray and 05 can come to O'Charley's on Monday nights for the coaches radio show where Slocum talks to everyone in the room and they can ask him what's wrong with the program and offer their suggestions.
Problem is none of these folks have the gonads to do any of this. Easy to hide on here. If you're that unhappy with things, get involved. The Penguin Club is always looking for help.
I also have extra tickets by me. Anyone is more than welcome to sit next to me. Pally I know you love dollar days and come to games alone. Anyone's more than welcomed to sit in some good chair backs with me and my wife.
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Would someone please explain why a forum for YSU sports has become a sounding board for insults to each other? What purpose does any of this accomplish and how does it benefit YSU or any fan posting or lurking?
If the energy expended destroying each other were put to worthwhile gains, maybe- just maybe, the coaches, AD and administration would feel a need to be accountable.
To misquote POGO: " I have seen the enemy and it is us."
It's really getting old. There may be as much content attacking fellow posters as there is discussing YSU sports. If someone makes a wacky prediction, have a little fun with it and then move on. Some of the obsession with fellow posters is more than pathetic, its pathological.
Yes, I have to put on my admin hat & say this:
JJ, Ray, and Paladin: All of you need to grow up or move on
JJ you cannot take people saying things. I have told you before to ignore them
Paladin: you are just taunting him, that makes you just as bad
Ray: If you have nothign good to say about YSU, then go to another team board.
I have been doing this site since 1989 & a board like this since 1990-91. We are all fans here. We all say good and bad about th team, but we do no insult the school and especially each other.
So here are the rules:
1. You get a verbal warning (maybe 2)
2. Next offense after that is a 1-week ban.
3. A third time and you get a much longer ban. Could even be permanent.
Thanks,
Dan