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Thoughts? Predictions?
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Hopefully a bigger margin than last night lol
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"I think it was a night where we kept shooting ourselves in the foot with penalties and exchange problems with our quarterback and center we haven’t had since spring practice.”
In a first half that featured no scoring from either team, the Eagles had four chances to score but were marred by turnovers and penalties.
A missed 42-yard field goal, a Pikeville interception and a fumble on the Pikeville 20-yard line ended three straight drives in the first half.
Morehead State Head Coach
Sound familiar? Hopefully that's in the past for the Guins.
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Watched the highlights from Pikeville. Morehead State seemed to be a little heavier pass offense but still have the ability to run. Smaller receivers who are more likely to catch a 4 yd. flat and take it 12 yards after catch than go deep. Quarterback is a balanced passer and runner... Threw 53 times in their first game and also led the team in rushing yards (and had 10 Rush attempts which shows that's how the coaching staff plans to use him). He's young as a redshirt freshman but seemed to evidence the same passer/runner tendencies in HS. Defense allowed A LOT of rushing yards against an NAIA Pikeville team (195) but held on third down allowing only 3 of 14 attempts. Also sacked the quarterback 5 times
In short they look a lot like Dayton... Why is this a good thing? Well, Dayton revealed a lot of weaknesses (vulnerability against a running QB who can complete the short/mid range pass, tough time against mid-distance route running receivers, entire passing game was off). Playing a team with similar attributes and tendencies as Dayton will allow us to see if the Penguins went back to practice and fixed some of the issues that plaqued them last night.
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after this weekend YSU needs to look alot better or i think this is going to be a long and possible a losing season.
Indiana State even put up 35 on Indiana
NDSU beat KSU
Southern Illinois only lost by 8 to Illinois
NIU beat Iowa State
Illinois State put up 28 on Ball State
SDSU beat a Dayton type school 55-14
The confrence looks as strong as it ever has this year in week 1
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after this weekend YSU needs to look alot better or i think this is going to be a long and possible a losing season.
Indiana State even put up 35 on Indiana
NDSU beat KSU
Southern Illinois only lost by 8 to Illinois
NIU beat Iowa State
Illinois State put up 28 on Ball State
SDSU beat a Dayton type school 55-14
The confrence looks as strong as it ever has this year in week 1
Don't sugarcoat the Indiana State outcome. Indiana was favored by 24 and they won by 38 over the Sycamores. They gave up 73 points to one of the absolute worst Big Ten programs over the past decade.
SIU against Illinois wasn't a huge surprise. Spread was only 17 in that one and Illinois is not that good.
We may be well in the hunt until November until we play the three best teams in the league, UNI, NDSU, and SDSU.
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after this weekend YSU needs to look alot better or i think this is going to be a long and possible a losing season.
Indiana State even put up 35 on Indiana
NDSU beat KSU
Southern Illinois only lost by 8 to Illinois
NIU beat Iowa State
Illinois State put up 28 on Ball State
SDSU beat a Dayton type school 55-14
The confrence looks as strong as it ever has this year in week 1
Don't sugarcoat the Indiana State outcome. Indiana was favored by 24 and they won by 38 over the Sycamores. They gave up 73 points to one of the absolute worst Big Ten programs over the past decade.
SIU against Illinois wasn't a huge surprise. Spread was only 17 in that one and Illinois is not that good.
We may be well in the hunt until November until we play the three best teams in the league, UNI, NDSU, and SDSU.
who knew telling the truth was sugar coating anything :o Who cares ? does that change the fact they scored more on a B1G then YSU did on a non-scholarship team? Indiana scored 49 on Ohio State last year and only lost by 3, Indiana has a good team this year
SIU and Illinois is still an FCS vs FBS game
We wont even be over .500 by November if they play like they did vs Dayton, many teams in the confrence played alot better then YSU
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Everyone thought we were going to win the title last year after beating down Pitt, did we... No. The same mindset applies to the Dayton game. We played mediocre, but it likely won't define our season.
Here is a stat the naysayers can't deny:
@letsgoguins: Dating back to last season, YSU has given up just 33 points in their last four games (4-0). The previous 4 games (0-4): 162 points. #YSU
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What does the scoring stat in the last 4 games look like?
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Hess better get it together
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YSU has opened as a 41 point favorite
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YSU has opened as a 41 point favorite
That's what happens when you a play team that lost to a NAIA team.
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I watched the press conference from yesterday.
Go to www.youtube.com
then search for Youngstown State Athletics
It will show the Youngstown Stae channel. Worth your while. I tried to show the link the other day on here but the link will not take you to this specific location.
Anyhow, our players know that they are playing down again. My message to them is this:
No team is as good as they seem or bad as they seem they are somehwhere between. Take this team seriously because if you are serious about making the playoffs down the road and you don't win the conference, the margin of victory will be helpful as style points to the committee regardless if it is not supposed to be a factor. In order to be a champion you have to play like a champion every game and every single down. Champions are never satisfied with their results either so don't get hung up patting yourself on the back when you achieve a key victory or season milestone (we hae seen this before), because the next game is going to be even more difficult. As you get better the the target painted on you grows bigger so keep you heads down on the grinding stone and work.
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YSU has opened as a 41 point favorite
::)
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If ysu doesn't score at least 40 points, I'm officially worried.
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Last week proved we could run the ball against these lower-level schools. I hope Hess gets together this week. Then I will wait until the following week to see how well we can truly move the ball.
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In response to a question from some interviewer, Montgomery stated that we used about 15% of our playbook against Dayton. I would expect about the same this week. Of course, it would be nice if the offense executed that 15% much better this time.
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In response to a question from some interviewer, Montgomery stated that we used about 15% of our playbook against Dayton. I would expect about the same this week. Of course, it would be nice if the offense executed that 15% much better this time.
I don't understadn why we wouldn't throw the book at every team. That foces the opponent to practice defense against many many different plays. Why would we hold back when you can force them to prepare for anything? i.e. Boise State
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In response to a question from some interviewer, Montgomery stated that we used about 15% of our playbook against Dayton. I would expect about the same this week. Of course, it would be nice if the offense executed that 15% much better this time.
I don't understadn why we wouldn't throw the book at every team. That foces the opponent to practice defense against many many different plays. Why would we hold back when you can force them to prepare for anything? i.e. Boise State
why would you let other teams figure out how to stop you're offense?
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On paper it may look like you are giving away your offense, but in reality you give them something to prepare for. For example, if you run a two point conversion, the other team will likely have to spend time to defens it. If you run a screen pass to the half back, the will have to practice how to defend it. Wheel route to the Wr, full back lead plays, iso's. Slants , reverses, thow-backs to the QB, draws, half back passes, and gadgets all require preparation. Make the defense prepare for everything (they only have a week to prepare). They cannot prossible prepare for everything.
Why do you think Montgomery's offense was so successful in year 1 with a young QB and now we struggle to run the same plays? Because we run the same damn plays every game. We only present a few scenarios that require preparation so we make it easy on the opposing defense.
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In response to a question from some interviewer, Montgomery stated that we used about 15% of our playbook against Dayton. I would expect about the same this week. Of course, it would be nice if the offense executed that 15% much better this time.
I don't understadn why we wouldn't throw the book at every team. That foces the opponent to practice defense against many many different plays. Why would we hold back when you can force them to prepare for anything? i.e. Boise State
That's not how it works lol. Against inferior opponents, you don't show much. You make your future opponents guess until they actually play you
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What is wrong with my thought process. It is all about adding enough variation so that the other team cannot correct to gain control. When you run 3 plays (which appears to be 15% of our playbook) the other team practices how to defend those 3 and has the ability to master it. How many coaches get beat because of tendency? Many do because the get comfortable with what they think works, or until they run into a team that learns how to stop it. I say keep them guessing always. Keep the run pass balance a 50% as a matter of policy and keep the playbook wide open. When you have 85 plays then run 85 different plays.
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On paper it may look like you are giving away your offense, but in reality you give them something to prepare for. For example, if you run a two point conversion, the other team will likely have to spend time to defens it. If you run a screen pass to the half back, the will have to practice how to defend it. Wheel route to the Wr, full back lead plays, iso's. Slants , reverses, thow-backs to the QB, draws, half back passes, and gadgets all require preparation. Make the defense prepare for everything (they only have a week to prepare). They cannot prossible prepare for everything.
Why do you think Montgomery's offense was so successful in year 1 with a young QB and now we struggle to run the same plays? Because we run the same damn plays every game. We only present a few scenarios that require preparation so we make it easy on the opposing defense.
not the case. If you're giving themsomething to prep for then your showing them your hand and what plays you plan to run in that game, which is a huge disadvantage
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I follow your logic Power. However a team needs to learn to execute during these easy games. So they need to run plays over and over...not 85 different plays. If you run all different plays, then you do not have to worry about what MSU sees, as we will not be able execute with any consistency.
Additionally, the rules have changed from what it used to be for sharing. In the "old days" teams would share films/tape. I think the parts of the first & third quarters were off-limits & not shared. During those times you ran your plays for the next week. In addition, teams were able truly scrutinize the tapes before they went out to the opposition. Now, the opposition can watch the entire game on WYTV or BTN (even though they are not "supposed" to do so.
Also, it used to be that I-AA coaches had to agree to play "vanilla" vs. big-6 teams in order to get invited back for the money games. I know for a fact that previous YSU coaches were given sets of plays to run, to help out the IA team. Now, I-AA/FCS teams get on schedules years in advance so they can play a more serious game. This is the reason BCS/FBS vs. FCS (non-minority w/scholarship) games are going away.
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How could any team possibly prepare for an entire playbook? Think about how many actual hours of playtime a football team has to prepare. Think about how condensed game film sessions must be for players. If you threw the sink out every week there is no way that they could possibly prepare for so many plays. What I don't understand is everyone else's logic.
Look at what Boise State has (for the most part) consistently done every year. They run so many different plays and formations in every game it is amazing. I like to watch them just to see the different plays they will run. With so many different types of plays and so many different induividual plays within the type there the capability exists to truely randomize every play in order to prevent any pattern identification. In a truely randomized play list you could even have the same play run 2-3 even 4 times in a game, but the probability decreases each time the play is run.
Having a fixed playlist vs the big -6 isn't fair competition but doesn't surpise me either. It makes me want to vomit when I think about how staged the games can be. Similar to boxing. That isn't fair to the kids and what is the point of even playing if you can't make it fair. I have never heard that, but it also makes me lose respect for the schools that have handed down scripting. It is actually a form of discrimination.
Oh well.
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Also I do not agree that coach M runs the same plays over & over. He gives the same look, also adding various options based on what look the defense gives him. The success of his offense is based on the QB and RB's ability to read. On run plays, he shifts the line to create different lanes for the back. He has the QB hesitate as long as possible to force the defense to set themselves.
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No disrespect to Morehead fans, but if we don't beat them by 70 points I will be disappointed.
http://themoreheadnews.com/moreheadstatesports/x1253333920/Video-MSU-vs-Pikeville
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Game preview from the Morehead paper
http://themoreheadnews.com/moreheadstatesports/x250208446/MSU-football-looks-to-rebound-against-Youngstown-State (http://themoreheadnews.com/moreheadstatesports/x250208446/MSU-football-looks-to-rebound-against-Youngstown-State)
By MacKenzie Bates - Sports Editor
The Morehead News
Sept. 6, 2013 — New Morehead State football coach Rob Tenyer and the Eagles are eager to put last week’s 13-10 loss to the University of Pikeville behind them.
This week provides a new challenge, as the Eagles will fly north to face off with FCS Power No. 25 Youngstown State on Saturday for a 4 p.m. contest.
“I’m not disappointed in our effort and competitiveness,” Tenyer said. “We came out on the short end. Our mistakes stood out and came in critical times but that’s hard to digest. We’re a young football team.”
Last week in the 2013 debut against the Bears, the Eagles were out-rushed 191-107 but had 271 yards in the air on the arm of redshirt freshman Logan Johnson. Johnson completed 33-of-53 passes but had two big interceptions at key points in the game. Tenyer still has confidence in his starter.
“He’s a mature young man and understand his mistakes,” Tenyer said. “We have to fix some things and there’s an understanding of our tempo of our offense and what the philosophy is and that’s getting the ball out quicker. Logan is going to be OK.”
With the ground game still trying to take shape, Tenyer is hoping the running backs will be ready for Saturday, including Rees Macshara, who only had five carries on 28 yards after being injured last week.
“We got away from the run a little bit and tried to get the big play (last week against UPIKE),” Tenyer said. “This week will be tough. They’re big and tough and physical up front. We have to tweak things in the run game to get our guys going.”
The 25th ranked Penguins (1-0) opened the season with a 28-10 win over Dayton last Thursday. This is the first time since 1987 the two teams have squared off against each other when each school was in the Ohio Valley Conference. YSU leads the series 8-6 and has won the two most recent meetings played in Youngstown. Tenyer and his players know the task ahead of them.
“They’re full scholarship and in my opinion, one of the top 10 teams in the FCS,” Tenyer said. “It’s one game to prepare for each side. I want our guys to go up there, compete and play hard and see what happens.”
Tenyer added: “We have to make a major step in improvement from week one to week two. We have a superior opponent in Youngstown State,” Tenyer said. “Both of us have one game to prepare off and what you see is what you get. We’ll both make adjustments.”
The Eagles have one big key, which Tenyer believes is confidence to know that his team can play with anyone.
“Like I said last week, the team that makes the least amount of mistakes will likely be the team that comes out on top,” Tenyer said. “In year’s past we’ve gone into games like this where they think they might not win the game. It’s about going into a game no matter who, where or what time you’re playing. Just go out and compete and have fun and see what happens at the end of the game.”
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A high School team in Y-town could beat this team. This should be UGLY
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Line down to 39 1/2. People wagering on Morehead!! Reminds me of our Beeghly Center chants during the old OVC days during the pre-game warm-ups. "WE WANT MORE HEAD"
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Who Doesn't ?
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Time for a blow out!!!
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Wow! We went for two! They are running all kinds of plays on that first drive. We ran A gap power, play action passes, running out of 4 wide receivers, throwing to the tight end, shot gun, pistol, using the full back, I thought I saw an isolation play in there. I like it! Just saw a slant!
Give MSU a ton too much to prepare for!
WOW! We may have a shot against MSU. They are struggling with USF who was embarrassed by McNeese State.
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I can't believe that QB got up after that hit by Travis Williams
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We ran an option play!
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Travis Williams is a stud
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Travis Williams is a stud
Looks like the light bulb went on. He's getting it. Needs a lot of work but he could be special.
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Outside of the fumble special teamwork excellent
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Dominant game as we expected. Time to move on to Sparty
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Game played out as it should have. Kudos to Morehead for giving it their best. Their fans were classy, no bad eggs. Hope that their QB is ok that was a nice hit. Lots of players got some playing time so that is good. Thought that our second team D could have done better. Weather was great so we should have had more at the game, does not matter who we played should have been more. Thought that the student section bailed out early, most gone by 4th qtr.
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Jody Webb is explosive
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Where was Adarius Bellamy today? Is he hurt? And what is the status of Demond Hymes?
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Where was Adarius Bellamy today? Is he hurt? And what is the status of Demond Hymes?
Bellamy twisted his ankle last week. Kept him out today. Could have played if needed. Hymes will be good to go next week, he could have played today also but not needed. Same with Teven Williams and Dom Rich. No need to play em. Let em rest
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Hymes is becoming a legend and not in the good way
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Hymes is becoming a legend and not in the good way
Would love to know what you mean by this comment? He was injured back in August and will be able to play starting this week I believe.
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Hymes is becoming a legend and not in the good way
Would love to know what you mean by this comment? He was injured back in August and will be able to play starting this week I believe.
its called being Overrated. He's been hyped up as the most talented RB on the roster since he got on campus but 2 years ago he magically had to RS and last year he only saw 17 carries, someone called the most talented RB on campus should be no worse then the #2 RB. Wake me when he does something to note
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Hymes is becoming a legend and not in the good way
Would love to know what you mean by this comment? He was injured back in August and will be able to play starting this week I believe.
its called being Overrated. He's been hyped up as the most talented RB on the roster since he got on campus but 2 years ago he magically had to RS and last year he only saw 17 carries, someone called the most talented RB on campus should be no worse then the #2 RB. Wake me when he does something to note
He is INJURED. What do you not understand about someone being injured? Hymes can't be #2 on a depth chart for the 1st two games if he is injured and cannot play. I am told he may very well be able to play this week and he could very well start up in East Lansing.
Glad to see we have depth at RB this year.
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Hymes is just injury prone. We have plenty of backs in the stable so when he does come back he will be just one of 5-6 backs we use. Hymes and Bellamy are always injured so why not play the backs that we can use each week like the others who seem to avoid getting injured. The success of the season will be on the defense and Kurt Hess and not Hymes.
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Damn Guys! I just wanted to know his status. No need to jump down each other's throats.
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Hymes is becoming a legend and not in the good way
Would love to know what you mean by this comment? He was injured back in August and will be able to play starting this week I believe.
its called being Overrated. He's been hyped up as the most talented RB on the roster since he got on campus but 2 years ago he magically had to RS and last year he only saw 17 carries, someone called the most talented RB on campus should be no worse then the #2 RB. Wake me when he does something to note
He is INJURED. What do you not understand about someone being injured? Hymes can't be #2 on a depth chart for the 1st two games if he is injured and cannot play. I am told he may very well be able to play this week and he could very well start up in East Lansing.
Glad to see we have depth at RB this year.
Hey Dipsh** learn how to read. a fake august injury doesn't explain his lack of playing over the last 2 years for the supposed most talented RB on the roster.
Fake injury??? Ok buddy. And he played behind Cook the last two years so what's your point?
Yes fake injury. and my point is OVER-RATED! Clap clap clap clap clap OVER-RATED!
Lol he hasn't even started a game yet... C'mon now