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As teams move up to FBS. We will find it harder to recruit D1 level athletes. The pool is shrinking and YSU misses the boat. We go D1 we would get almost 2 million to play an Ohio state not 850k. The conference will be football only.
https://www.deseret.com/2022/12/9/23501592/conference-realignment-fcs-teams-will-reportedly-join-fbs?_amp=true
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The craziest thing about that conference is they are two separate conferences that are going to try to move up as one ten team conference and none of those teams is incredibly good at FCS. Not to say there aren't 1-2 good teams out of that 10, but none have been relevant in terms of winning FCS championships or postseason play for a while.
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I don't think this will happen, but if it is possible for entire conferences to go FBS... what do you guys think happens to YSU if the entire rest of the Missouri Valley were to attempt to go FBS? I think the MVFC would lose a few schools who wouldn't want to make that jump (WIU I could see not wanting it due to cost, and based on previous conversations here YSU might be in that boat too but will see what you think).
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As teams move up to FBS. We will find it harder to recruit D1 level athletes. The pool is shrinking and YSU misses the boat. We go D1 we would get almost 2 million to play an Ohio state not 850k. The conference will be football only.
https://www.deseret.com/2022/12/9/23501592/conference-realignment-fcs-teams-will-reportedly-join-fbs?_amp=true
I think the title of this thread is misleading. It is not fact that an FBS Conference is forming and has been given the approval by the NCAA. This FCS conference (alliance) is going to attempt to move up, but it clearly remains to be seen if their strategy to move an entire conference to the FBS is going to pass the approval process. I have great doubts.
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In order for these guys to even think of about submitting the proposal, they must have the budget approvals from their university’s’ administration. (I know this is how it needs to happen if YSU was to go FBS).
Where are they coming up with the $$$ except for a few of them (ex. SFAU…). I never even heard of FCS football from Utah Tech.
However, I have said before when I was in the academic seneate at YSU. Case could be made to go FBS if some donors could come up with some financial support. The largest expenditures are scholarships and coaches.
The scholarships are “ funny money” since it really does not cost the university much by putting these 120:extra students in existing classes (YSU is not adding classes to accommodate these athletes). YSU actually will get some state tuition support for these students. It has also been shown that the $$$ for the coaches could be made up with more money games at FBS levels.
It is almost impossible to make it happen at YSU with today’s economic and political environment. Administration is current trying save $$ by canceling academic programs and laying off faculties. I see this as a non starter.
Do we have big donors stepping up to provide $$$ to make this feasible? Let’s pray…
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All great posts. I was amazed to see like schools like Austin Peay thinking they can do this. I’m like how.
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Found this article too
https://clarksvillenow.com/local/austin-peay-football-could-soon-join-new-football-only-fbs-conference/
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Austin peay staidum doesn’t even have capacity for FBS minimum attendance reqs. You’re supposed to have 15k average and their stadium only holds 10k
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Read this article the Austin Peay Prez made some good comments on why and how.
https://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/sports/college/apsu/2022/12/02/austin-peay-football-fbs-gerald-harrison-athletics-director/69696103007/
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As teams move up to FBS. We will find it harder to recruit D1 level athletes. The pool is shrinking and YSU misses the boat. We go D1 we would get almost 2 million to play an Ohio state not 850k. The conference will be football only.
https://www.deseret.com/2022/12/9/23501592/conference-realignment-fcs-teams-will-reportedly-join-fbs?_amp=true
Good point on the recruiting angle, does not matter how good the team or league is, high school kids get starstruck about FBS. Look at the kids we lose to the mac.
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Austin peay staidum doesn’t even have capacity for FBS minimum attendance reqs. You’re supposed to have 15k average and their stadium only holds 10k
I seems to remember comments by JT years ago when he was asked how YSU could meet both attendance and capacity requirements.
Capacity - not a problem, by taking some seats where no one sits and make them half width
Attendance - not a problem, by exchanging tickets with the other conference schools so you have sold 15 k tickets with only couple thousand butts in the seat ( it was reported that Zippy and can’t were practicing that).
It comes to this, if the university president, the board of trustees and the community want to do it, they will find a way. Unfortunately, our time has come and gone.
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Yes our time has come and is long gone by us staying put in the FCS. WE SHOULD HAVE MOVED UP TO FBS LIKE 15 YEARS AGO. SHAME. WHAT A SHAME.
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Yes our time has come and is long gone by us staying put in the FCS. WE SHOULD HAVE MOVED UP TO FBS LIKE 15 YEARS AGO. SHAME. WHAT A SHAME.
Yes.
At that time, we still had lots of industries in the area that could have supported us….. General Motors (GM assembly plants in Lordstown, GM Packard Electric Division in Warren) with combined employment over 20k; Debartolo, Wean United, Taylor Winfield, Copperweld steel, Republic steel, Thomas Steel and a few other steel companies in Warren ares. Not to mention the respective tier 2 and 3 suppliers in the area.
Somehow, we couldn’t make it happen.
Marshall University in Huntington, WV was our FCS championship competitor for several years. My daughter works as a Chemical engineer in Huntington after graduating from YSU. Not only did Marshall moved up to FBS. They defeated Notre Dame this year. The place went nuts.
We now can only dream….
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Hey the Great West Conference did not make it. They were not even certified by the NCAA. Clearly the NCAA did not want them to move up.
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Related to this thread. What exactly are the benefits of moving up to FBS for us? The only thing I can think of is better regional rivalries. It would be fun to play like 4 other Ohio teams per year, outside of that I don’t see the appeal
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Related to this thread. What exactly are the benefits of moving up to FBS for us? The only thing I can think of is better regional rivalries. It would be fun to play like 4 other Ohio teams per year, outside of that I don’t see the appeal
I can only speak for myself. I am a lot more excited when I watch us playing Ohio State, Michigan State, Pittsburgh than us playing Dayton, Robert Morris, Duquesne…
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Related to this thread. What exactly are the benefits of moving up to FBS for us? The only thing I can think of is better regional rivalries. It would be fun to play like 4 other Ohio teams per year, outside of that I don’t see the appeal
I can only speak for myself. I am a lot more excited when I watch us playing Ohio State, Michigan State, Pittsburgh than us playing Dayton, Robert Morris, Duquesne…
I have no problem playing Bobby, the Dukes or St Francis, better then when we used to play local D2 teams. They bring local interest and are FCS schools. Also have no problem playing P5 schools at least 1 a year.
My main interest is to be playing in a league with schools I am interested in. FBS or FCS not the main concern, just schools we can relate to.
mac schools in OH and MI are the logical choices, but the mac just does not want us.
About a move to FBS and why it never happened, I used to buy into the line that we just could not afford it, no longer. Too many schools have done it and done well. You cannot tell me that those schools do not have many of the same issues that YSU and the Ytown area have, population decline, job loses etc. More and more thinking that YSU just does not have the desire or leadership. I really hate thinking this and hope that I am wrong!
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We are at a point where if we stay put we are losing TV money out the butt. FBS gives more money to tv games than FCS anyways and we have a chance for a bowl, just saying.. Plus when we play a big ten or Big 12 team instead of getting the measly amount we can receive more money as a paid out to playing them at their place.
That is the reason so many teams are considering moving up to FBS. It's a MONEY THING.
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Lest we forget:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fjo_Rw2WAAAl0JH?format=jpg&name=medium
Go Guins!
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That is over 25 years ago and TV wasn't that big then. Just saying we have to stop living in the past and get with the present and its all about TV revenue. Not in 1995. Just saying!!!
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Thank you Pete for sharing the link - brings back memories (and anger). Just think what could have been had we been invited. I will say this though, back then our athletic facilities were not good, other then Stambaugh.
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Lest we forget:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fjo_Rw2WAAAl0JH?format=jpg&name=medium
Go Guins!
Thank you for sharing the link.
Many subsequent analysis on why YSU was not invited to join MAC suggested that it had more to do with our inability to meet the budgetary requirements than the other member school (UA & KSU) blocking us.
We didn’t do our homework and we were hoping that was good enough. It wasn’t. Other schools (Buffalo) simply made a better business case and commitment.
As it turns out, we might not be able to sustain the financial pressure and dropped back down to FCS.
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Watching bowl teams UTSA VS TROY and neither one of them have the facilities at time of going to FCS. This can be said for UMASS ETC. UMASS IS A JOKE OF FCS.
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Nor did they win crap when they were in fcs. No championships.
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Florida international, Florida Atlantic, coastal Carolina, UMass never won anything in the FCS PRIOR to moving to FBS.
Just food for thought. We have 0 interest in FBS. SHAME ON STROLLO AND HIS DONORS.
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What’s the appeal of being where we are at? Explain that? 2 playoff appearances in 20 years is that appealing to anybody playing in a league where in reality they could careless about us
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At this point i would rather have a bowl game in a warm climate than making the FCS playoffs.
Anyone agree. Better money too
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At this point i would rather have a bowl game in a warm climate than making the FCS playoffs.
Anyone agree. Better money too
You do realize that these junk bowls require a school to agree to purchase x number of tickets before they issue their "invitation." Northern G5 schools in which fans only buy a few hundred tickets to a meaningless game lose considerable amounts of money on these bowls. No matter; they are FBS!
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At this point i would rather have a bowl game in a warm climate than making the FCS playoffs.
Anyone agree. Better money too
You do realize that these junk bowls require a school to agree to purchase x number of tickets before they issue their "invitation." Northern G5 schools in which fans only buy a few hundred tickets to a meaningless game lose considerable amounts of money on these bowls. No matter; they are FBS!
IMO, YSU just simply does not have the support from this financially conservative Board of trustees to recommend the university to go into FBS. Unless some big time $$$ donations, it is a non starter, not to mention that we have a strong faculty union who is absolutely against any additional expenditure in sport.
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There is nothing wrong with dreaming, until your dreams are shattered by the intrusion of reality. Here is the yearly athletic spending for the state universities with the exception of the professional operation in Columbus. Latest data I could find was from the 2017-2018 academic year. Numbers are in millions of dollars.
11.9 Wright State
13.7 Cleveland State
15.9 Youngstown State
24.4 Bowling Green
30.0 Kent State
33.8 Toledo
34.9 Akron
35.9 Ohio
37.1 Miami
64.8 Cincinnati
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There is nothing wrong with dreaming, until your dreams are shattered by the intrusion of reality. Here is the yearly athletic spending for the state universities with the exception of the professional operation in Columbus. Latest data I could find was from the 2017-2018 academic year. Numbers are in millions of dollars.
11.9 Wright State
13.7 Cleveland State
15.9 Youngstown State
24.4 Bowling Green
30.0 Kent State
33.8 Toledo
34.9 Akron
35.9 Ohio
37.1 Miami
64.8 Cincinnati
Yes, I saw those numbers in the faculty meeting a few years back. I recall making comments that CSU and WSU were spending a lots of $$ without football programs. I was also surprised that our basketball program was even competitive.
The presentation also showed the breakdown of where the funding was coming from for each program.
If I remembered correctly, many of the FBS programs channeled $$$ from student general funds to make up for the short comings.
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Administrative positions have outpaced enrollment throughout higher education. I realize that some of these support positions are needed but they are the reason that higher education is unaffordable. They think the general fund money should all funnel to them and the BS causes that have divided this country.
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GoodNews i totally agree with what you say. We need to cut out the BS spending and funnel it back into sports and become FBS in FOOTBALL LIKE NOW. I know we are in the SEC of 1-AA but sooner or later once the Dakota schools decide to move to FBS and they probably closer than you think. I think in the next 3 seasons at least NDSU will leave for the FCS and most likely bring SDSU with them. They are meeting in the FCS championship game for all MVFC showdown. So the question is do we get a piece of the pie everytime they advance? i'd like to know the answer on that one.
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we don't have the money and will never have the money for a move to FBS adequately. everyone here really wants to be the next akron or kent and akron isn't at the height of its glory days financially as an institution. it's not all just administrative cost issues for YSU either as many would like to argue. there is an old saying in business, you can't cut your way to solvency.
We are a small city institution and thinking we can even afford to go MAC and not incur yearly increasing debt while continuing to exist in basically the same sphere of exposure and interest as the MVFC is silly.