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Dan Rivers post local radio personality I’m sharing it
I wrote the following last night. The underwhelming response to my suggestion makes me wonder if YSU football is even relevant to the Youngstown Metro,
"Wearing the badge of courage that YSU belong to the SEC of the FCS is getting old. Jeff Sagarin has been serving bettors for 30 years and his rankings appear in the USA Today weekly.
Sagarin does not fully disclose how he arrives at his ranking of 261 Division 1 teams, a list YSU finished number 138. Sagarin does disclose that strength of schedule plays a large part in his rankings. I put stock in his findings because gamblers are the best barometer of wins and losses, and the gamblers love his sheet.
Back to number 138 for YSU in the Sagarin rankings. The following teams have made the FCS playoffs this year and finished below YSU in Sagarin. The teams are Delaware, Samford, Southeast Missouri State, Elon, Gardener Webb, New Hampshire, Fordham, St Francis, North Carolina Central, Eastern Kentucky, and Davidson which comes in number 238 a full 100 teams below YSU."
My original post asked the question, is it time to look for a new league in the East and stop playing in the Dakotas.
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Wearing the badge of courage that YSU belong to the SEC of the FCS is getting old. Jeff Sagarin has been serving bettors for 30 years and his rankings appear in the USA Today weekly.
Sagarin does not fully disclose how he arrives at his ranking of 261 Division 1 teams, a list YSU finished number 138. Sagarin does disclose that strength of schedule plays a large part in his rankings. I put stock in his findings because gamblers are the best barometer of wins and losses, and the gamblers love his sheet.
Back to number 138 for YSU in the Sagarin rankings. The following teams have made the FCS playoffs this year and finished below YSU in Sagarin. The teams are Delaware, Samford, Southeast Missouri State, Elon, Gardener Webb, New Hampshire, Fordham, St Francis, North Carolina Central, Eastern Kentucky, and Davidson which comes in number 238 a full 100 teams below YSU.
Look at the map, are we really a mid-western state? I think we lean East and Youngstown, Ohio is almost in Pennsylvania. I also think it's time to let North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Illinois and Missouri cut up the booty. I bet their fans feel the same about Ohio.
We play in a league where only one game is drivable and that's nearly 7 hours to Tere Haute Indiana. How has the Gateway/MVC treated us since Jim Tressel went to Ohio State? I can remember two playoff appearances during Heacock, Wolford and Pelini. One was really ugly at Appy State. Yes, it would still be a long drive to Villanova Richmond or Towson, but you could make a mini vacation out of it. Lots a history in those states.
The only people going to North Dakota are on the team plane. We arguably have top 25 facilities, including an indoor football field and we are relegated to watching Delaware on TV in the second round, a team ranked below YSU in Sagarin.
The deck is stacked against YSU. Crazy travel to a league that will forever be dominated by North Dakota State and now South Dakota State. Indiana should pull out too.
Each year I attend games with great anticipation. The first game we have 15,000, by the last game you can count the fans in the stands. Thanksgiving, Christmas, Spring, Canfield Fair repeat. I am one Penguin Fan who realizes it won't likely get better. The Dakotas basically capture all the talent that didn't get a offer by Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern, Nebraska Iowa, Iowa State, and other border states. Now that is bunch of linemen.
The MVC basically has games near them compared to YSU. We move an entire team into another time zone and usually are down two touchdowns before we realize what time it is. It's getting worse each year. The fans who remember the Tressel days are getting fewer, and they are not being replaced. It can be embarra$$ing to see a facility like Stambaugh Stadium mostly empty.
While I am piling on, why is Doug Philips and the top rusher in college football in Jaleel Mcglauflin sitting at home and Davidson, St. Francis, Fordham, Eastern Kentucky, Elon, Samford, and Holy Cross are playing in the tournament. I tell you the deck is stacked and back to Sagarin, yes, his rankings have it right, Georgia, and Michigan. By the way we have a drivable game next year, out second game of the season is at Ohio State.
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Sorry struggled with the copy and paste
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I really can’t find where he is wrong. Just read the names of the teams playing in the playoffs: Elon, Davidson, Gardner Webb, SFU
Teams that YSU would probably beat by 20+.
The MVFC is not doing is any favors. 7-4 in the best conference and we are still left out. No benefit to staying.
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No I agree with him 100%. But what little media ytown has says little about anything
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This argument is a bit circular in some points. Some of these teams that made the playoffs instead of YSU are automatic bids from weaker conferences. YSU has a higher ranking in the Sagarin thing because of SoS. If YSU was in a weaker conference, the SoS wouldn't be as high and, therefore, the ranking wouldn't be as high either. Now, was this year's team better than some of the automatic qualifiers? Sure. But, this would have been a back of the bracket team regardless.
As for leaving MVFC----the travel complaints are probably the most compelling argument to me. I am just not sure what the alternative conference would be. I keep expecting some reordering of D-I football and somehow we see us in the same division level as MAC schools or something, but with the expanded playoff coming, maybe that isn't realistic anymore. It just seems silly to pretend these some of these conferences are competing at the same level as the SEC and Big Ten.
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YSU should of been in the playoffs like und was. you were just as good as them.
AQ's for dog$hit conferences should stop that would help.
YSU program when thriving is a great asset to the MVFC
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YSU is kind of in a geographical no man’s land for this level of college football. No regional rivalry. When my brother played in the late 90s we got excited for W Kentucky and Northern Iowa. But very few causal fans around town cared. A local YSU grad is highly unlikely to live or work with anyone from a MVFC school. That in my opinion is what feeds rivalries and interest. There are still plenty of locals that don’t even know YSU is division 1. And even less that are interested that Missouri State is coming to town. As a Nova guy we have Delaware and Towson as regional rivals. But even that interest is tepid. YSU in the CAA would be nice, but would the casual Youngstown fan care that Stony Brook was coming to town? And vice versa. YSU is now 25 years removed from national power status. The kids playing now weren’t even born when YSU had the glory days. Nova has some recognition because of basketball, not really for football. I really think that as the years go by the lower levels of college football are sadly becoming an afterthought with so much emphasis on the power teams and now NIL.
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I keep expecting some reordering of D-I football and somehow we see us in the same division level as MAC schools or something, but with the expanded playoff coming, maybe that isn't realistic anymore. It just seems silly to pretend these some of these conferences are competing at the same level as the SEC and Big Ten.
I agree, I am shocked and surprised that FBS would consider giving an auto bid to leagues like the mac. Also giving up hope that we will ever be in a league with the regional teams that we should be playing.
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AQ's for dog$hit conferences should stop that would help.
That would be a step in the right direction.
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I don’t think the NCAA cares at all about the lower levels of college sports. No money to be made.
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I don’t think the NCAA cares at all about the lower levels of college sports. No money to be made.
They care. The VAST majority of their membership is not division 1 FBS institutions. A plurality of them are d3 actually
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Honestly! We should be playing Akron, Ohio Toledo,, Bowling Green, and Miami or some combination of one or two of those two teams, our money game, and them SFU, or Dayton, or another !-AA team. Someone once said maybe an all-Ohio conference should be comprised of teams out of the MAC who cannot compete financially! I dont know the answer! But who knows what the future holds for us, or the MAC as other teams continue to move with pretention they can compete the Sun Belt, BiG, Conference USA, SEC, Or Big 12. Maybe the anser is the AAC for a lot of these teams with CINCI, USF, and others moving on!
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RS was on the Rivers show this morning for a few minutes. RS made the comment that he was happy to be in the MFC and Horizon.
He pointed out that between OH, MI WV and IN there are only 3 FCS schools. Us ISU blue and Dayton and Dayton is limited schollys.
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RS is unbelievable with that comment. Absolutely absurd.
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I guess Strollo likes being mediocre and doesn’t care how not being in a football league that the fans can relate to. He is a bean counter with no vision
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One other thing of note, from the Rivers show today, that I hope I recall correctly, in regard to whether or not we get money from ESPN for game broadcast. Believe RS stated that one game this past year was watched by 40,000 folks. The money goes to the league and then a portion ends up back at the schools.
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Bean counter for sure. what is up with the stands again being up on the camera side? seems like they are making that into a reception area where fans drink beer.
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RS is unbelievable with that comment. Absolutely absurd.
Lol could you guys come up with more and more attacks on your schools most vital employees if you have a half a dumb a$$ see now president and he’s the greatest thing since sliced grapes what the heck is wrong with you people Strollo is the only thing and I mean the only thing that keeps your school afloat. I will repeat the only thing that keeps your school afloat. He’s probably the greatest employee the university has had in the past 50+ years without any close second and that includes president , AD and Coach Jim Tressel. You people just think you can post things and people won’t say anything to you when you were absolutely wrong in your comments and could not be more wrong and then there’s nothing in the back what you say you expressing opinion and you think it’s important what do we care about your opinion you don’t like the guy great good for you what do I care? I’m smart enough to know where the bread is buttered why aren’t you? Everything in the world is about money, so only successful people in the world can be being counters. I mean you see everything in the world. The man has try to do he’s blatantly obvious about it and you don’t even care I want to be in the Missouri valley football conference and no other conference none unless it’s replacing the Missouri valley conference I do not want to be in the Ohio valley conference. I don’t want to be in the goddamn MAC. I want a national championship trophy on my shelf and we are in by far the best conference we could possibly be in for that to happen. What could possibly possess you to want to be in any other conference what to relive some glory rivalry with Akron, which Jim Tressel destroyed years ago. There will be a national championship game with two teams from the Missouri valley football conference in it and you could even possibly think for a split second that you’d want to be in some different conference. I mean even a split second? You act like we wouldn’t even have any ability to be in another conference other than the Horisont league they all laugh at us. I mean any team that was ever in this conference. It was worth a piece of crap it’s gone. They’re all in the Missouri valley conference or better. That’s why we’re doing well. In the conference we’re not playing better we’re playing lesser competition I know it. Everyone knows it has come people who are supposed to be fans of the program don’t know it?
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Without Tressel you don't have 4 Championships
Without Tressel you aren't in the MVFC
Without Tressel there's no WATTS
Without Tressel there's no Don Constantini Multimedia Center and additional Loges on the Westside of Stambaugh
Without Tressel Wick Ave and 5th Ave beautifications don't exist
Without Tressel there's no Center for Innovation in Additive Manufacturing
Without Tressel there's no Watson Team Building for the Engineering School
Without Tressel there's no Jim and Melissa Dibacco Family Leadership Center
Without Tressel you don't have Cafaro Family Field
Without Tressel it's hard to fathom where the university would be academically and financially without his return.
Without Tressel the Youngstown Foundation wouldn't be where they are today
I don't know Strollo and you have every right to defend him and his accomplishments. However, it's pretty clear who the most important employee at YSU has been in the last 50 years. Love or hate the guy he is a winner.
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Without Tressel you don't have 4 Championships
Without Tressel you aren't in the MVFC
Without Tressel there's no WATTS
Without Tressel there's no Don Constantini Multimedia Center and additional Loges on the Westside of Stambaugh
Without Tressel Wick Ave and 5th Ave beautifications don't exist
Without Tressel there's no Center for Innovation in Additive Manufacturing
Without Tressel there's no Watson Team Building for the Engineering School
Without Tressel there's no Jim and Melissa Dibacco Family Leadership Center
Without Tressel you don't have Cafaro Family Field
Without Tressel it's hard to fathom where the university would be academically and financially without his return.
Without Tressel the Youngstown Foundation wouldn't be where they are today
I don't know Strollo and you have every right to defend him and his accomplishments. However, it's pretty clear who the most important employee at YSU has been in the last 50 years. Love or hate the guy he is a winner.
Yea it’s pretty hard to argue with what Tressel has done for this university. Especially since his return as president. Defend Strollo all you want but you’re reaching a bit to say he’s been more important than Tressel lol
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Being in the SEC OF FBS has destroyed the football program. Fans don’t care Media doesn’t care etc. Just because we are in this conference doesn’t give us Any advantage to the playoffs show the proof after how many years almost 25. Whoopee we are a member congratulations on your 2 playoff appearances in 25 years let’s hoist a flag up and have a ceremony and hand it to Strollo for a great job well done. He has been an epic fail and since he is one of the faces of the University he as a public employee is not except from criticism. I guess as an average fan YSU doesn’t care as long as the loges are full. Do you think the Bison AD would get a leash this long . This site is proof enough that nobody cares we lost so many posters.
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RS is unbelievable with that comment. Absolutely absurd.
Lol could you guys come up with more and more attacks on your schools most vital employees if you have a half a dumb a$$ see now president and he’s the greatest thing since sliced grapes what the heck is wrong with you people Strollo is the only thing and I mean the only thing that keeps your school afloat. I will repeat the only thing that keeps your school afloat. He’s probably the greatest employee the university has had in the past 50+ years without any close second and that includes president , AD and Coach Jim Tressel. You people just think you can post things and people won’t say anything to you when you were absolutely wrong in your comments and could not be more wrong and then there’s nothing in the back what you say you expressing opinion and you think it’s important what do we care about your opinion you don’t like the guy great good for you what do I care? I’m smart enough to know where the bread is buttered why aren’t you? Everything in the world is about money, so only successful people in the world can be being counters. I mean you see everything in the world. The man has try to do he’s blatantly obvious about it and you don’t even care I want to be in the Missouri valley football conference and no other conference none unless it’s replacing the Missouri valley conference I do not want to be in the Ohio valley conference. I don’t want to be in the goddamn MAC. I want a national championship trophy on my shelf and we are in by far the best conference we could possibly be in for that to happen. What could possibly possess you to want to be in any other conference what to relive some glory rivalry with Akron, which Jim Tressel destroyed years ago. There will be a national championship game with two teams from the Missouri valley football conference in it and you could even possibly think for a split second that you’d want to be in some different conference. I mean even a split second? You act like we wouldn’t even have any ability to be in another conference other than the Horisont league they all laugh at us. I mean any team that was ever in this conference. It was worth a piece of crap it’s gone. They’re all in the Missouri valley conference or better. That’s why we’re doing well. In the conference we’re not playing better we’re playing lesser competition I know it. Everyone knows it has come people who are supposed to be fans of the program don’t know it?
What is your level of education?
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The great thing about opinions is that we are all entitled to one. Does not make this person correct or that person wrong.
Sure the MVC is the best but that does not mean I feel the need to be there, I simply have little to no interest in most of the schools. I have no interest in watching even a minute of the title game.
We have made the play-offs without being in the MVC.
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I am seeing a lot of opinions and emotion in this thread.... What I would like to see from those of you who want YSU to leave the MVFC is your well thought-out plan for YSU to go elsewhere.
1. Name the conference
2. The justification of why we should go to that conference
3. The justification as to why that conference would accept YSU
4. How we could financially afford such a move
It is easy to say we need to get out of the MVFC, but I think those who feel that way will have a more challenging time putting the complete package together for us to leave. The onus is on you, but perhaps I will be proven wrong? Let's hear it!
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I am seeing a lot of opinions and emotion in this thread.... What I would like to see from those of you who want YSU to leave the MVFC is your well thought-out plan for YSU to go elsewhere.
1. Name the conference
2. The justification of why we should go to that conference
3. The justification as to why that conference would accept YSU
4. How we could financially afford such a move
It is easy to say we need to get out of the MVFC, but I think those who feel that way will have a more challenging time putting the complete package together for us to leave. The onus is on you, but perhaps I will be proven wrong? Let's hear it!
This is easy, conference dos not exist yet, schools we can relate to, no idea what the cost would be since it would be new.
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The great thing about opinions is that we are all entitled to one. Does not make this person correct or that person wrong.
Sure the MVC is the best but that does not mean I feel the need to be there, I simply have little to no interest in most of the schools. I have no interest in watching even a minute of the title game.
We have made the play-offs without being in the MVC.
Yes, in the NCAA had to actually pass a law they call the Tressel law to add strength of schedule. How embarrassing was thst?
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Without Tressel you don't have 4 Championships
Without Tressel you aren't in the MVFC
Without Tressel there's no WATTS
Without Tressel there's no Don Constantini Multimedia Center and additional Loges on the Westside of Stambaugh
Without Tressel Wick Ave and 5th Ave beautifications don't exist
Without Tressel there's no Center for Innovation in Additive Manufacturing
Without Tressel there's no Watson Team Building for the Engineering School
Without Tressel there's no Jim and Melissa Dibacco Family Leadership Center
Without Tressel you don't have Cafaro Family Field
Without Tressel it's hard to fathom where the university would be academically and financially without his return.
Without Tressel the Youngstown Foundation wouldn't be where they are today
I don't know Strollo and you have every right to defend him and his accomplishments. However, it's pretty clear who the most important employee at YSU has been in the last 50 years. Love or hate the guy he is a winner.
Yea it’s pretty hard to argue with what Tressel has done for this university. Especially since his return as president. Defend Strollo all you want but you’re reaching a bit to say he’s been more important than Tressel lol
You can insert Ron Strollos name in place of Tressel and just about every single thing you put on your list I mean every single one. Not to mention all of the buildings on campus that weren’t there 15 years ago 20 years ago 30 years ago all of which she’s responsible for I mean why are you saying they’re trying to argue between two great employee benefactors of the University, but don’t discredit one to give more credit to the other. And then can you people not see the campus is twice as big as it used to be because of athletics and athletic expenditures?
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So it was just a coincidence all of these things were built while Tressel was the President? The facilities across from Stambaugh on 5th Ave were a master plan which was part of Campus 2000 back in the 90s. I'm sure Strollo was responsible for the financing and bonds to build many of the olympic sport facilities. However, I find it amazing that after 15 years on the job Strollo got major donors to step up all of a sudden from 2015 until now.
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So basically the excuse is where and how? I have posted a previous thread on schools that are trying to find a where and how? One of the AD’s said yes it’s a bold plan to move up. But you need to think bold to get it done.
I have said maybe we need to create our own conference. Yes it would take time. But wtf. We wasted 25years in a league that is a great fit geographically and for recruiting. Wolford said this time after time. Instead of playing 2 bs teams a year play an extra money game. Or let’s be a bigger fish in a different conference. Instead of being the Vanderbilt or Missouri of our conference. We will never get past North Dakota 0r the other Dakota. At least not consistently. You guys all keep making fun of The MAC but I don’t see them wanting to drop down to play in the SEC of FCS they know it’s a losing proposition exposure and money wise.
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So basically the excuse is where and how? I have posted a previous thread on schools that are trying to find a where and how? One of the AD’s said yes it’s a bold plan to move up. But you need to think bold to get it done.
I have said maybe we need to create our own conference. Yes it would take time. But wtf. We wasted 25years in a league that is not a great fit geographically and for recruiting. Wolford said this time after time. Instead of playing 2 bs teams a year play an extra money game. Or let’s be a bigger fish in a different conference. Instead of being the Vanderbilt or Missouri of our conference. We will never get past North Dakota 0r the other Dakota. At least not consistently. You guys all keep making fun of The MAC but I don’t see them wanting to drop down to play in the SEC of FCS they know it’s a losing proposition exposure and money wise.
Been thinking about your last comment recently, look at all the former top FCS teams that have studied it and decided that it was best to move up to FBS. Over that same time frame how many FBS schools decided that they would be better off moving "down" to FCS?
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So basically the excuse is where and how? I have posted a previous thread on schools that are trying to find a where and how? One of the AD’s said yes it’s a bold plan to move up. But you need to think bold to get it done.
I have said maybe we need to create our own conference. Yes it would take time. But wtf. We wasted 25years in a league that is a great fit geographically and for recruiting. Wolford said this time after time. Instead of playing 2 bs teams a year play an extra money game. Or let’s be a bigger fish in a different conference. Instead of being the Vanderbilt or Missouri of our conference. We will never get past North Dakota 0r the other Dakota. At least not consistently. You guys all keep making fun of The MAC but I don’t see them wanting to drop down to play in the SEC of FCS they know it’s a losing proposition exposure and money wise.
yes but they get 2.3 mil to play OSU once every 5-years, we get $500 to $600k. and just about any other program will not match that. WVU sure did not. we have only made more that $200k twice against Pitt. Time to be practical. Move up or don't. I say No Way. OSU has to pay more, nobody wants to play them. Or GA, or Alabama, etc.
We focus on unattainable goals and ignore winning the conference ... which is BY FAR the most obtainable goal we can aspire toward.Think about this. If we had to truly pay a coach the caliber of Pelini, we would be bankrupt. Tressel has been a thing of the past (athletically) for many years now.
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Move to the MAC. Save tremendously on travel year in and year out. Actually compete for a conference championship. Generate excitement by establishing rivalries w/ Akron, KSU, etc.
Play two power 5 programs a year for additional money.
Hell, I'd come see YSU play Akron and Kent each year rather than Southern Illinois and Indiana St for crying out loud. I'd imagine others would as well. The FCS is a poor product. Get on board like everyone else and get to the FBS. Bull**** we cant do it. Don't tell me YSU cant join the MAC but UMASS can move up and now you have teams like Austin Peay, Dixie St (UT Tech), and Tarleton St going FBS. Give me a break
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Move to the MAC. Save tremendously on travel year in and year out. Actually compete for a conference championship. Generate excitement by establishing rivalries w/ Akron, KSU, etc.
Play two power 5 programs a year for additional money.
Hell, I'd come see YSU play Akron and Kent each year rather than Southern Illinois and Indiana St for crying out loud. I'd imagine others would as well. The FCS is a poor product. Get on board like everyone else and get to the FBS. Bull**** we cant do it. Don't tell me YSU cant join the MAC but UMa$$ can move up and now you have teams like Austin Peay, Dixie St (UT Tech), and Tarleton St going FBS. Give me a break
I posted the financial figures on another thread. We would have to increase our athletic budget by 8.5 million to tie BG, the Ohio MAC school with the lowest budget. To reach financial parity with schools like Akron, Ohio, and Toledo, we would have to DOUBLE our athletic budget. How exactly is that supposed to happen? How is receiving 2 million more from big time football guarantees equal 8.5 or 15 million dollars? Furthermore, do you know how many fans Ohio MAC schools draw? Nobody in this state cares about the MAC. They just sit in front of their tvs and watch the professional team in Columbus.
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The valley was home too. 2 of the richest people in the world. Denise DeBartolo York @ 3.5 billion and her brother at 2.3 Billion. There are your benefactors. Rename the stadium whatever get it done
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Akron "fans" don't go see Akron play, why would we want to see Akron play? Youngstown drew crowds as high as 10000 at Rayen stadium playing teams like St Norbert, Susquehanna and Southern Connecticut. What is this obsession with the so called big time? Schools like Akron are a joke in FBS. And the funniest part is the high price they pay each year to be someone's patsy.
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Funny how Marshall, APPY STATE Boise St. Aren’t anybodys patsy. That’s why I loved Wolfy. He felt and wanted that challenge and he knew we really weren’t a great fit in the Missouri Valley from rivals to recruiting. Being in this conference and watching us play teams other than Dakotas and northern Iowa is like watching paint dry. There is no fan recognition and any recognizable players or coach’s.
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Akron "fans" don't go see Akron play, why would we want to see Akron play? Youngstown drew crowds as high as 10000 at Rayen stadium playing teams like St Norbert, Susquehanna and Southern Connecticut. What is this obsession with the so called big time? Schools like Akron are a joke in FBS. And the funniest part is the high price they pay each year to be someone's patsy.
Yes, good old Rayen Stadium, actually had my car broken into during a 1 o'clock game there. I for one would love to go to a home game against the zits. Used to go to the games at the Rubber bowl back in the day and there were no zits fans at the games back then either.
I am not obsessed with going FBS, my interest is to be playing in a league with regional schools that interest me. If that means going to FBS then so be it. If we can do it staying in FCS then so be it.
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Funny how Marshall, APPY STATE Boise St. Aren’t anybodys patsy. That’s why I loved Wolfy. He felt and wanted that challenge and he knew we really weren’t a great fit in the Missouri Valley from rivals to recruiting. Being in this conference and watching us play teams other than Dakotas and northern Iowa is like watching paint dry. There is no fan recognition and any recognizable players or coach’s.
Hard to get pumped up for Missouri St.
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Akron games were fun, also Kent and Cincinnati. But hardly worth athletic budget increase to 25 or 35k. I watched Toledo and Liberty in the fix your roof Boca bowl. It was pathetic, zero fan interest, the stands were empty. Perhaps you and I would love to see YSU play Akron regularly but we can't assume others would, especially Akron "fans".
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This thing does go in circles. I would love to see YSU in the MAC for natural rivalries and such----but I do think it makes sense for the program to see how BCS football really sorts itself out in the next few years. I would love to see division I football split into three divisions-----the semi-pro football division, a lower tier BCS (which YSU could aspire to), and then the FCS. As I stated earlier in this thread, it is downright ridiculous to pretend conferences like the MAC are competing in the same sport as Alabama, OSU, etc. These schools are just throwing away money on substandard products that no one is watching anyway.
I was talking to a buddy and we were saying you can do some soccer like relegation thing between the divisions too.
Anyway, it seems silly to me to invest more money in this program for a move to FCS when it feels like there is a bigger shake up coming to the sport. The UCLA/USC thing to the Big Ten is just so weird that it really calls for some serious global thinking about where college sports are going
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Correction 25 or 35k x 1000.