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The one reason they would choose us is the fact that we have the NCAA all time rushing leader, or a chance to be the leader in the next game. (I know Jaleel is close). We also have a receiver that's starting to break out.
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This is the Missouri Valley Football Conference. We won 7 games in the best league in the FCS over the past decade. Our 7-4 is stronger than most teams with 8 wins in other conferences.
There seems to be at least one team a year that sneaks in that surprises you. Let's be that team this year!
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Illinois State is the ONLY win we have against a conference opponent with a winning record. Hope i'm wrong but I think that's an issue regardless of the MVFC strength.
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Illinois State is the ONLY win we have against a conference opponent with a winning record. Hope i'm wrong but I think that's an issue regardless of the MVFC strength.
But, SIU has beaten Northwestern out of the big 10. That must count for some strength.
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To be honest, our odds entering today at 7-4 didn't look great, but some things are happening in our favor...
1. Villanova blocked a punt with under 2 minutes left and shocked Delaware 29-26. Delaware would have had 8 wins had they won, they are stuck at 7.
2. Montana is getting absolutely slaughtered against their arch rival Montana State right now. The Bobcats are up 48-14 in the 4th quarter. Remember the year YSU beat Pitt and started 4-0, then proceeded to lose 4 in a row, before finishing with 3 wins and ending the campaign with 7 wins... did we make it in? No. Well Montana started 5-0 and is on the verge of ending this season going 2-4 down the stretch.
3. Western Carolina just beat a 7 win Chattanooga after scoring a TD on 4th and goal at the 1 with under a minute left. Chattanooga lost 3 of their 4 final four games.
4. YSU did with 5 of their last 6 games to get to this point... call them weak or not.. but this is the VALLEY.
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Adding to last post, Mercer out of the SOCON just lost in 2OT at Samford. They would likely have been in with a win, but with the loss they are now stuck at 7 wins in a weaker conference.
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Illinois State is the ONLY win we have against a conference opponent with a winning record. Hope i'm wrong but I think that's an issue regardless of the MVFC strength.
But, SIU has beaten Northwestern out of the big 10. That must count for some strength.
NW is one of if not the worst team in FBS.
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To be honest, our odds entering today at 7-4 didn't look great, but some things are happening in our favor...
1. Villanova blocked a punt with under 2 minutes left and shocked Delaware 29-26. Delaware would have had 8 wins had they won, they are stuck at 7.
2. Montana is getting absolutely slaughtered against their arch rival Montana State right now. The Bobcats are up 48-14 in the 4th quarter. Remember the year YSU beat Pitt and started 4-0, then proceeded to lose 4 in a row, before finishing with 3 wins and ending the campaign with 7 wins... did we make it in? No. Well Montana started 5-0 and is on the verge of ending this season going 2-4 down the stretch.
3. Western Carolina just beat a 7 win Chattanooga after scoring a TD on 4th and goal at the 1 with under a minute left. Chattanooga lost 3 of their 4 final four games.
4. YSU did with 5 of their last 6 games to get to this point... call them weak or not.. but this is the VALLEY.
Excellent points. Unfortunately, this is the year that the jealous athletic directors on the committee from weak conferences take their revenge against the MVFC.
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Illinois State is the ONLY win we have against a conference opponent with a winning record. Hope i'm wrong but I think that's an issue regardless of the MVFC strength.
But, SIU has beaten Northwestern out of the big 10. That must count for some strength.
NW is one of if not the worst team in FBS.
You would put NW (has beaten Nebraska) below the Zippy?
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Both are at the bottom of the FBS Northwestern and Akron. Akron is very weak.
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Akron may be the worst team in FBS
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Our playoff chanced ended when we lost to Missouri st
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Akron may be the worst team in FBS
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: isn't it great
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To be honest, our odds entering today at 7-4 didn't look great, but some things are happening in our favor...
1. Villanova blocked a punt with under 2 minutes left and shocked Delaware 29-26. Delaware would have had 8 wins had they won, they are stuck at 7.
2. Montana is getting absolutely slaughtered against their arch rival Montana State right now. The Bobcats are up 48-14 in the 4th quarter. Remember the year YSU beat Pitt and started 4-0, then proceeded to lose 4 in a row, before finishing with 3 wins and ending the campaign with 7 wins... did we make it in? No. Well Montana started 5-0 and is on the verge of ending this season going 2-4 down the stretch.
3. Western Carolina just beat a 7 win Chattanooga after scoring a TD on 4th and goal at the 1 with under a minute left. Chattanooga lost 3 of their 4 final four games.
4. YSU did with 5 of their last 6 games to get to this point... call them weak or not.. but this is the VALLEY.
Excellent points. Unfortunately, this is the year that the jealous athletic directors on the committee from weak conferences take their revenge against the MVFC.
Are you suggesting that politics may come into play?
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To be honest, our odds entering today at 7-4 didn't look great, but some things are happening in our favor...
1. Villanova blocked a punt with under 2 minutes left and shocked Delaware 29-26. Delaware would have had 8 wins had they won, they are stuck at 7.
2. Montana is getting absolutely slaughtered against their arch rival Montana State right now. The Bobcats are up 48-14 in the 4th quarter. Remember the year YSU beat Pitt and started 4-0, then proceeded to lose 4 in a row, before finishing with 3 wins and ending the campaign with 7 wins... did we make it in? No. Well Montana started 5-0 and is on the verge of ending this season going 2-4 down the stretch.
3. Western Carolina just beat a 7 win Chattanooga after scoring a TD on 4th and goal at the 1 with under a minute left. Chattanooga lost 3 of their 4 final four games.
4. YSU did with 5 of their last 6 games to get to this point... call them weak or not.. but this is the VALLEY.
Excellent points. Unfortunately, this is the year that the jealous athletic directors on the committee from weak conferences take their revenge against the MVFC.
Are you suggesting that politics may come into play?
It always does
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To be honest, our odds entering today at 7-4 didn't look great, but some things are happening in our favor...
1. Villanova blocked a punt with under 2 minutes left and shocked Delaware 29-26. Delaware would have had 8 wins had they won, they are stuck at 7.
2. Montana is getting absolutely slaughtered against their arch rival Montana State right now. The Bobcats are up 48-14 in the 4th quarter. Remember the year YSU beat Pitt and started 4-0, then proceeded to lose 4 in a row, before finishing with 3 wins and ending the campaign with 7 wins... did we make it in? No. Well Montana started 5-0 and is on the verge of ending this season going 2-4 down the stretch.
3. Western Carolina just beat a 7 win Chattanooga after scoring a TD on 4th and goal at the 1 with under a minute left. Chattanooga lost 3 of their 4 final four games.
4. YSU did with 5 of their last 6 games to get to this point... call them weak or not.. but this is the VALLEY.
Excellent points. Unfortunately, this is the year that the jealous athletic directors on the committee from weak conferences take their revenge against the MVFC.
Are you suggesting that politics may come into play?
It always does
Yes, I agree!
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Northwestern is terrible but they sure didn't look bad to me against Ohio State!
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As of this morning, it appears to be a complete toss up as to whether YSU will make it into the playoffs based on the prognosticators:
Here are the ones that have YSU making it:
1. FCS Stats (Craig Haley) - https://theanalyst.com/na/2022/11/fcs-football-bracketology-projecting-the-2022-playoff-field/
2. Gridiron Heroics (Brian McLaughlin) - https://gridironheroics.com/fcs-football-playoffs-final-bracket-prediction/
3. Inforum - Fargo, ND (Jeff Kolpack and Dom Izzo) - https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-media-zone/2022-fcs-bracketology-show
4. FCS Playoff Predictor (Reddit) - https://www.reddit.com/r/fcs/comments/yzs8ln/fcs_playoffs_predictor_after_week_12/
Here are the ones that do not have YSU making it:
1. NCAA FCS Digital Website (Sam Becton) - https://t.co/5xLc1D5WIZ
2. Hero Sports (Sam Herder) - https://t.co/K4hWaiGEXv
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It comes down to our conmish and how many friends we have on the committee. They have never been consistent in how they pick and I think it depends on the regions or something geographically. Like I said we seem to always get the screws, 🙏
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Must have missed it, what time would be the announcement of the field?
GO GUINS!!!!!!!
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I know we finished strong, but what the committee is going to have to wrestle with, there are alot of 7-4 teams from good conferences that have good resumes. While it was likely the MVFC could get one 7-4 team in this year, given that both UND and YSU are 7-4... UND has the more impressive resume despite not finishing strong... plus they have the head to head nod. The odds of two 7-4 MVFC teams making it this year is very unlikely. So, if only YSU OR ND can get it... kinda seems unlikely that YSU will.
I hope they do, but I'm not holding my breath that will be the outcome. Could have avoided all of this by simply winning last week.
@Petey : The announcement is on ESPNU at 12:30 EST.
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Anyone have ESPNU? Is it 12:30 ET or CT?
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12:30 EST IAA
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Thanks guys!
GOOOO GUINS!!!!
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Oh to answer the 2nd part of your question IAA, I do have ESPNU so can update as soon as they announce it.
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There are only 3 bubble teams with a higher SOS than YSU (per Massey). Based on record & SOS, YSU would be in. If you add in esoteric factors (regionalization, etc), then who knows.
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And we have the all time NCAA leading rusher which is great advertising for the FCS.
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Other teams would want to face that person just to say they did (outside if the MVFC). That's a storyline that will definitely help out chances.
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And if we make the playoffs, people can just give the team and coach staff credit. We young and getting better. As I said 2 more cla$$es and we will not be on the bubble.
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If we make the playoffs then you need to bring Paladin back.
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Running game and defense travel well too.
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Wow... SDSU got the #1 seed. I expected sac state
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Holy
May bode well for YSU.
So far too 4 seeds are:
SDSU
Sac State
NDSU
Montana State
I expected NDSU to be a much lower seed
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could be they are making room for another MVFC team :)
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William and Mary is 5th seed
Samford is the 6th seed
Incarnate word is 7th seed
Holy cross is the 8th seed
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Delaware is in... And playing St Francis... So while they haven't show the rest of the bracket I can almost assume YSU won't make it.
Had we made it, Saint Francis would be at YSU
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So a few years ago, YSU didn't make it because of momentum at end of season and losing late ...
Delaware just got in yet is 7-4 and lost the last few.
They haven't revealed the rest of the field but I'm 100% sure YSU is out
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Politics.
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It's official YSU is out
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So a few years ago, YSU didn't make it because of momentum at end of season and losing late ...
Delaware just got in yet is 7-4 and lost the last few.
They haven't revealed the rest of the field but I'm 100% sure YSU is out
Delaware was picked instead of us.
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Montana got their f***ing ass kicked yesterday and got in at 7-4
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Delaware is in... And playing St Francis... So while they haven't show the rest of the bracket I can almost a$$ume YSU won't make it.
Had we made it, Saint Francis would be at YSU
Bingo.
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Effing play-offs are a joke anyway! So is the committee selecting the teams!
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How did Garner-Webb get in at 6-5?
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YSU should have been in over both Delaware and Montana State! Everything is rigged just like the last three fake elections we've held!
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YSU should have been in over both Delaware and Montana State! Everything is rigged just like the last three fake elections we've held!
I agree 💯
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How did Garner-Webb get in at 6-5?
won the big south
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You must have meant over Montana... Montana State absolutely is a no brainer in over YSU
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YSU should have been in over both Delaware and Montana State! Everything is rigged just like the last three fake elections we've held!
The committee must have received a phone call from the White House to select Delaware.
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Yep! Our Chinese corrupted President and his son has money riding on the Blue Hens!
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In the selection show, the committee chair was saying UD was "safe". Wow. So, Sac State is getting shafted. Should have been the number 1 seed over SDSU because Colorado State and Navy are both bad FBS teams. Sac State went undefeated this season including a win over Colorado State. While Navy is better than colorado state, it isn't good enough to justify UD when UD lost 3 out of the last 4.
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Do you all remember the excuses from years ago?
1.You can't lose your last game in November: We won five of the last six games. And won the last game in November
2. You have to have win at least seven games: We've been left out when we had eight wins.
3. The strength of the conference matters: Clearly they thought the conference was strong, because two of the teams in the conference are seeded. Yet we were not considered.
It's all politics. I just thought they would be the adults in the room to realize that you've got a pretty good story if you want to promote FCS.
I think the real question needs to be: if we had won eight games would we have been in? Or if we would have won eight games in North Dakota would have won seven, Would North Dakota have been in?
It's a moving target, and the only time we get in is when we are dominant enough to make it to the semifinal or NC game, which is what we do when we get in. They let all of the pretenders in every single year.
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In the selection show, the committee chair was saying UD was "safe". Wow. So, Sac State is getting shafted. Should have been the number 1 seed over SDSU because Colorado State and Navy are both bad FBS teams. Sac State went undefeated this season including a win over Colorado State. While Navy is better than colorado state, it isn't good enough to justify UD when UD lost 3 out of the last 4.
That's their admission that it is rigged
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Look, as sad as I am that YSU isn't in, YSU would have been a lock with yesterday's win had they won against Missouri State. That was what sealed this for us. In reality, wins against ND, NDSU or MO State would have been all that was needed and all were achievable. To be frank, I knew we were likely out when we lost last week. Shouldn't have lost that game... the bedlam of other bubble teams losing yesterday was the only thing that gave me hope, but I still knew it was a longshot. Simple, win and you're in
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Even if we beat Missouri State to go 8-3, they still would have found a way to shaft us!
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I know this is really early, but, I'm gonna say now the schedule next year is harder for a playoff push. MUCH harder. I think it is highly likely that we will be 2-2 after our first 4 games next year.
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Even if we beat Missouri State to go 8-3, they still would have found a way to shaft us!
Maybe, but I don't really think it would have been possible. I think in that scenario we would have been in for sure.
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Even if we beat Missouri State to go 8-3, they still would have found a way to shaft us!
Montana got their ass kicked in and went 7-4 in a weaker conference. And they lost their last game.
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Even if we beat Missouri State to go 8-3, they still would have found a way to shaft us!
Maybe, but I don't really think it would have been possible. I think in that scenario we would have been in for sure.
But would UND have been in? I say Yes.
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I say f*** FCS football. You can have a shoestring budget and get in the playoffs in a s***** league with no chance to win a national championship. Adding the eight additional teams didn't do anything for real teams on the bubble. It just diluted the field. I say it's time to go FBS.
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UND fan here. That was an absolute travesty of a bracket. You should've been in, the fact that Montana is not only in but is hosting a game is a disaster to credibility in every conceivable way. People complain about shady dealings in the committee, and having Montana's AD in it and putting them in with one of the worst resumes I've ever seen is not helping. You should've been in over Montana. Best of luck to you guys in the future (except against us)
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FCS has always been rigged. Why would you expect anything different. They already had floated weeks ago that our conference was having a down year.
I keep saying this we are in the wrong conference. But you experts say it’s the SEC of FCS. We will struggle to be a top 3 team in the conference for life. We didn’t even have to play Northern Iowa and South Dakota st. Right? We had a weaker schedule right? What’s the conference done for us nothing. Even Strollo who used to be on the internet committee got us nothing as well as that worthless commissioner. We would have got in at 8-3 and I wonder if we played a tougher non conference game at home would make a difference
I forgot sometimes they use geography for regional brackets for an excuse. The reason for that is for the non scholly BS schools that don’t have money helps them it’s bs
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Yep! We probably would have been in at 8-3, but if you remember a few years back we were 8-3, granted a couple DII wins, but Lafayette at 6-5 over us! Really! That is what I based my reasoning on! As for the playoffs, it is North Dakota State and everyone else is a spectator for the most part!
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YSU had NO CHANCE of getting in with Delaware and Montana bubble teams too. We've watched this for 25 years. Not to mention the field is now expanded.
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YSU did not deserve to be in. Simple.
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They deserve it more than Delaware and Montana State!
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At this stage of the program's development, it would have been nice to get in. But----that wasn't a good football team and we all know it. The resume was paper thin and it wasn't until the Mo. State game that I even thought it was possible to make the playoffs. I don't think they ever even got a top 25 vote.
Hopefully, it is a sign of growing into something.
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Hopefully, But next season's schedule will be a hell of lot tougher!
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I meant the Grizz, not the Bobcats!
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If we make the playoffs OR DON’T then you need to bring Paladin back.
Fixed it! Bring back the best analyst YSU athletics has.
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If we make the playoffs OR DON’T then you need to bring Paladin back.
Fixed it! Bring back the best analyst YSU athletics has.
Yes. He's like Donald Trump on Twitter he gets banned for speaking the truth. Where's the Elon of this board?
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They deserve it more than Delaware and Montana State!
I agree with this statement. Those other teams lost big or were losing games in November. Guess that doesn't matter anymore when you are still in the best FCS conference
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What’s done is done!
Here are the clowns who picked the bracket Ask them why?
CS Playoff Committee Members
2022 Committee Chair
Patriot League
Bucknell AD Jermaine Truax
Term Expiration: Aug. 2023
Pioneer Football League
Drake AD Brian Hardin
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025
Big South Conference
Robert Morris AD Chris King
Term Expiration: Aug. 2026
Big Sky Conference
Montana AD Kent Haslam
Term Expiration: Aug. 2024
Southern Conference
Chattanooga AD Mark Wharton
Term Expiration: Aug. 2026
Missouri Valley Football Conference
North Dakota State AD Matt Larsen
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025
Colonial Athletic Association
Stony Brook AD Shawn Heilbron
Term Expiration: Aug. 2026
Southland Conference
Houston Christian AD Steve Moniaci
Term Expiration: Aug. 2023
Ohio Valley Conference
Eastern Illinois AD Tom Michael
Term Expiration: Aug. 2024
Northeast Conference
CCSU AD Thomas Pincince
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025
ASUN-WAC
Eastern Kentucky AD Matt Roan
Term Expiration: Aug. 2025
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The Cosgrove FCS ranking system had us at 37
https://www.collegefootballpoll.com/fcs/rankings/
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It would have been nice but it is what it is.
Not that long ago we would have been excited to even be in the conversation.
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It would have been nice but it is what it is.
Not that long ago we would have been excited to even be in the conversation.
Some things never change. That being said we have to win the conference to guarantee a spot in the playoffs. It's no longer just a simple probability that we've been left out. Montana has a weak schians they were blown out. Delaware lost several games to end the season. Those were the excuses we were given in the past.
They conspire against us. Period. We need to run up the score as much as possible on every team we outmatch. Push everyone and act unsportsmanlike when we lose. Maybe then we will get the respect.
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The Cosgrove FCS ranking system had us at 37
https://www.collegefootballpoll.com/fcs/rankings/
Seriously, St. Francis is at 13 and Dayton is at 40, 3 spots below us?
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The FCS cannot stand YSU. The ranking makes NO sense. We are 37 with a SOS of 9? POLITICAL. Our AD doesn't help either.
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Reading these comments, the only thing that surprised me is that some of you are surprised. The NCAA selection committee has been a corrupt institution for decades. The NCAA organization really does not care about IAA/FCS football. They know this system is flawed but have failed to fix it for generations.
If the NCAA were interested in running an honest playoff, they need do only three simple things.
First, eliminate the conference ADs and staff the committee with about five retired, well-respected football people who no longer had any institutional affiliation. And pay them well for their service.
Second, publish for all to see the criteria that will be used for at-large selections. And stick to that criteria.
Third, and most importantly, how the five-man committee release a power ranking of all teams with a .500 or above record after the games on the first Saturday of November. And make it clear that the at-large bids will come from that list. You may or may not like your position, but you would know exactly where you stood. And the possibility for corruption would dramatically decrease.
That is what the NCAA would do if they cared. They don't.
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Wick all good points. I said yesterday that we won’t get in. The history was there for us not to get picked. You are right about the AD’s. That needs to be changed. Honestly the whole FCS system needs revamped. How is it fair for a non scholly or a conference that they do not spend the money get an auto bid. It’s a joke teams like St Francis Dayton don’t spend squat. But we beat our heads into the ground playing in an upper tier conference and we get screwed over and over. It’s just a joke
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If you watched that football team and thought we deserved to be in the playoffs, take off the red tinted glasses. That was a 1 man show. Next year will be brutal unless they kill it in the portal.
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Wick all good points. I said yesterday that we won’t get in. The history was there for us not to get picked. You are right about the AD’s. That needs to be changed. Honestly the whole FCS system needs revamped. How is it fair for a non scholly or a conference that they do not spend the money get an auto bid. It’s a joke teams like St Francis Dayton don’t spend squat. But we beat our heads into the ground playing in an upper tier conference and we get screwed over and over. It’s just a joke
The selection committee reminds me of the admission office in many universities. In the name of diversity and affirmative action, one ethnic group is often given special quota over the other ethnic groups with far superior achievement’s.
This is why it is being reviewed by the Supreme Court right now.
The selection committee is simply following the same liberal philosophy.
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The number of people on the committee or their experience will not change things. Having only 5 members means that there are less folks to buy-off.
The only way to fix it is to take humans out of the process and get rid of auto bids - period!
Let a computer do it. Develop a program that ranks every 1-AA team based on SOS and record, after the first month of the season start to publish the ranking weekly. Losing to a top 25 FBS school by 10 should mean more then beating a D2 school by 10. Going 4 and 4 in a strong conference should not hurt your chances just like going 8-0 in a weak conference should not help your chances.
Force teams to step up their schedule, force leagues to raise the bar if they are interested in making the play-offs.
Ohio does a decent job of coming up with computer rankings for high school football based on SOS, the NCAA should be able to come up with something to fit their needs. Sure there would be a lot of factors involved but it could and should be done.
Let everyone know the rules and let the best 16 teams make the play-offs.
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Here's the problem with them taking Montana over YSU and It's a flat out legitimate complaint
Montana didn't beat a team over .500 record and finished 6th in their conference behind UC Davis Sac, MSU, Weber, and Idaho. (Davis wasn't invited). In addition, Montana had a blow-out loss the day before the selection.
Meanwhile, YSU had won 5 of their last 6 games and has the all time leading rusher in the history of college football and was arguably playing their best football late in the year. The QB change made all the difference. And we also play in a tougher conference and we finished 4th. Montana also got a home game out of it too.
Anyone saying we didn't belong is feeding you a bullsh** narrative. As I've laid out the facts here, we should have been selected if the system wasn't rigged. The comment about rigged elections applies here. Our resume was way better than Montana's. Don't get me started on Delaware. We only need one of the available spots and they should have selected us. We have a legitimate gripe about not getting in.
I was told in the past that the people making the selection are honorable people and set aside self interests. I've been told that each year we've been left out had some sort of unique circumstances. I called it bullsh** when it happened in the past.
This time the stupid motherf***ers didn't cover their tracks. How much money did the university lose in future football revenue due to recruiting impacts as a result of this unfairness? For me this only gets solved with a law suit.
Paladin correctly pointed out on the AGS board that the NCAA has sanctionedthis "corrupt" process and given it their seal of approval. The only way you change it is to fight it, which is something Americans seem to no longer do.
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UC Davis should have been taken over Montana based on the conference standings in the Big Sky. We were totally screwed once again l.
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I reached out to the conference commissioner. Realize that Delaware lost 3 of it's last 4 games. I focused on Montana.
Here's the jist of what she said:
She shares the sentiment about the unfairness of YSU not being selected. She also said "she can’t begin to explain or support the Committee’s decision" and that they clearly did not value strength of schedule or how teams were playing at the end of the season.
Hopefully, she tries to address this. She's a good commissioner.
We can't control the conference schedule. We can only play the games that are scheduled.
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In 2012 we had an FBS win over Pitt and won the last 3 games under Wolford and went 7-4 but we weren't selected. Delaware had a win over Navy and lost 3 out of 4 of their last games and we're 7-4 and got selected.
What was the reasoning for that? I thought you had to be a team on the rise of you were a bubble team. Their only win in the last 4 games was Monmouth. Navy has a losing record too.
I can see the FBS win counting for something but we got screwed when similar circumstances existed (actually we had more favorable argument and didn't get in).
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In 2013 YSU went 8-4 (5-3) in the MVFC and we didn't get into the playoffs.
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One extra home playoff game and preparing for another in the second round would have made a world of difference for this team in terms of experience for next season! Thanks a lot NCAA selection committee, you managed to screw YSU again!
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2012 isn't a totally fair comparison because that was still the 16 team field.
The 2013 team did lose three in a row, including getting blasted in back-to-back home games at the end of the year against playoff teams.
It is disappointing though that they didn't make it. Not letting Mo. State to drive 92 years would have probably been a good idea in retrospect
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A 7-4 YSU team will never get in and its proven. We really need to play one game against Villanova or Delaware annually and win. Things would be much different then.
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Wick,
I gave your suggestion to Viverito as a reform.
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Wick,
I gave your suggestion to Viverito as a reform.
Thanks Power. Even if they just released power rankings starting in November that would make the process more transparent, as well as covering the committee's back side.
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Reading these comments, the only thing that surprised me is that some of you are surprised. The NCAA selection committee has been a corrupt institution for decades. The NCAA organization really does not care about IAA/FCS football. They know this system is flawed but have failed to fix it for generations.
If the NCAA were interested in running an honest playoff, they need do only three simple things.
First, eliminate the conference ADs and staff the committee with about five retired, well-respected football people who no longer had any institutional affiliation. And pay them well for their service.
Second, publish for all to see the criteria that will be used for at-large selections. And stick to that criteria.
Third, and most importantly, how the five-man committee release a power ranking of all teams with a .500 or above record after the games on the first Saturday of November. And make it clear that the at-large bids will come from that list. You may or may not like your position, but you would know exactly where you stood. And the possibility for corruption would dramatically decrease.
That is what the NCAA would do if they cared. They don't.
Conference winner absolutely, positively must ALL go. Other wise you have a few "super conferences" and a bunch of schools that cannot recruit against them. There were two problems this year:
1. YSU in no way, shape, or form was a play-off caliber team.
2. There was a clear cutoff. We lost to everyone above us in the conference, except the #1 team in the nation with auto-bid which we did not play. Our problem was not losing to MO State, it was losing to North Dakota. Simply put, they took our spot. Now with their first-round loss to a Big Sky club (although a very good team) ND has set the MVFC's future for years to come.
Another big issue was the additional conference. Having both the ASUN and Big South 'eats up' another bid. IMO, The NCAA's expansion rules were not properly followed.
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I choose to add this here rather than create a whole separate thread... But everyone should read this somewhat lengthy article from Mr. Herder.
https://herosports.com/fcs-football-push-playoff-structure-changes-bzbz/
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Having the winner of the Pioneer conference getting an auto bid is akin to giving every player on every team in a pee wee soccer league a participation trophy.
The winner of the MAC does not deserve a spot in the play-offs over Penn St, Alabama or OSU why would it be different in 1-AA?
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Well remember, the NCAA doesn't regulate the FBS CFP. It is not an NCAA sanctioned champion series. Hence why if you ask for the 2021 division 1 NCAA football championship the answer would be NDSU.
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The auto bid thing for any conference that gets a certain number of members is a thing the NCAA does in basketball too. But I agree the optimal solution would be to change that and just get rid of autobids. Put the best 24 teams in off of specific criteria. I just don't think it will happen
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I like the concept of auto-bids but I don't like limited and non scholarship conferences getting them. The nice thing about auto-bids is that it gives teams a clear path to the playoffs with no uncertainty. You win your conference and you're in the playoffs is nice.
I follow D3 football a lot and they have 27 auto bids and just 5 at-large selections, in can be frustrating for some of the better conferences but the vast majority of teams know exactly what they need to do to make the playoffs at the beginning of the season.
But... the system isn't what's keeping us out of the playoffs, our conferneces gets the most benefit of the doubt of any of them. In any given year you pretty much need to just be top half of the MVFC or better to get in. We really didn't deserve it this year.
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Having the winner of the Pioneer conference getting an auto bid is akin to giving every player on every team in a pee wee soccer league a participation trophy.
The winner of the MAC does not deserve a spot in the play-offs over Penn St, Alabama or OSU why would it be different in 1-AA?
Well in 4-years the winner of the MAC does get a play-off spot.
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Having the winner of the Pioneer conference getting an auto bid is akin to giving every player on every team in a pee wee soccer league a participation trophy.
The winner of the MAC does not deserve a spot in the play-offs over Penn St, Alabama or OSU why would it be different in 1-AA?
Well in 4-years the winner of the MAC does get a play-off spot.
Why does that not surprise me?
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Reading these comments, the only thing that surprised me is that some of you are surprised. The NCAA selection committee has been a corrupt institution for decades. The NCAA organization really does not care about IAA/FCS football. They know this system is flawed but have failed to fix it for generations.
If the NCAA were interested in running an honest playoff, they need do only three simple things.
First, eliminate the conference ADs and staff the committee with about five retired, well-respected football people who no longer had any institutional affiliation. And pay them well for their service.
Second, publish for all to see the criteria that will be used for at-large selections. And stick to that criteria.
Third, and most importantly, how the five-man committee release a power ranking of all teams with a .500 or above record after the games on the first Saturday of November. And make it clear that the at-large bids will come from that list. You may or may not like your position, but you would know exactly where you stood. And the possibility for corruption would dramatically decrease.
That is what the NCAA would do if they cared. They don't.
Conference winner absolutely, positively must ALL go. Other wise you have a few "super conferences" and a bunch of schools that cannot recruit against them. There were two problems this year:
1. YSU in no way, shape, or form was a play-off caliber team.
2. There was a clear cutoff. We lost to everyone above us in the conference, except the #1 team in the nation with auto-bid which we did not play. Our problem was not losing to MO State, it was losing to North Dakota. Simply put, they took our spot. Now with their first-round loss to a Big Sky club (although a very good team) ND has set the MVFC's future for years to come.
Another big issue was the additional conference. Having both the ASUN and Big South 'eats up' another bid. IMO, The NCAA's expansion rules were not properly followed.
Maybe this should be discussed. Montana and Delaware were blown out today. YSU played NDSU WAAAAY closer than Montana AND we d
Played half the game with Crenshaw. We scored with Davis and closed the gap. Let's just call f***ing bullsh** when we see it.
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Just calling out the woefully uninformed.
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Question for all, given the cfp will allow the 6th highest ranked conference champions into the CFO when it expands, why wouldn't it be a good idea for ysu to join the Mac? I'm confident that YSU could play for a Mac championship. Just look at the Mac teams this year that made the championship game.
Would give ysu an even bigger stage. Granted I realize alot would go into that move, but why not?
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Why not? Money!
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Our enrollment and budget cannot financially support football 1-A program.
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Figured money would be the reason. Just thought to ask.
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Does anyone really think the MAC will ever even sniff a College Football Playoff 'conference championship' bid as one of the top 6 ranked conference championships?
Just win consistently and all these problems will sort themselves out!
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Does anyone really think the MAC will ever even sniff a College Football Playoff 'conference championship' bid as one of the top 6 ranked conference championships?
Just win consistently and all these problems will sort themselves out!
Exactly. This expansion of the FBS playoff system will harm the MAC, not help it. I'm quite sure that the big time powers will distribute any extra playoff money ONLY to the conferences that qualify for the tournament (namely 11 big time teams plus the one token, and that token will never be the MAC.)