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Title: UND Game thread
Post by: YSUGO on October 08, 2022, 06:21:21 PM
Slow start
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: YSUGO on October 08, 2022, 06:21:58 PM
Nice fg.  Let’s get a 3 and out
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Double ET on October 08, 2022, 06:28:52 PM
Our pass defense is nonexistent
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: YSUGO on October 08, 2022, 06:29:05 PM
You can see the difference in play calling ND on that 2nd possession had us totally fooled the whole time. 
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: goodnews on October 08, 2022, 06:42:16 PM
You don't have to worry about YSU fooling anyone.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: YSUGO on October 08, 2022, 07:00:04 PM
Davidson seems to see and make his reads quicker than Crenshaw.  Definitely an improvement. 
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: DLHotch on October 08, 2022, 08:42:42 PM
Everything fell apart after the PI call in the 4th quarter, now down 11 thanks to a fumbled snap and blocked punt. Should have taken the safety. Another sad day for the penguins. It was a winnable game up to that point.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: YSUGO on October 08, 2022, 08:42:53 PM
Missed fg and blocked punt 13 pt swing.  Special teams are 1/3rd of the game grrrr
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Kandrase on October 08, 2022, 08:49:27 PM
Yeah that play was HUGE… we really need a turnover now

Oh nvm we went for it on 4th and 8
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: DLHotch on October 08, 2022, 08:52:10 PM
Now it gets even more painful...Touchdown YSU! Too little too late? What a drive!

Hawks go 3 and out, still hope with 4:00 to go.

Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Kandrase on October 08, 2022, 08:53:09 PM
Wooh!

Great drive YSU, gutsy call pays off. Great coaching. We punt it away there and the game is probably over
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Kandrase on October 08, 2022, 08:55:48 PM
Well now bad coaching with the pooch kick… I don’t get it
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: DLHotch on October 08, 2022, 08:58:31 PM
Ok, still hope after a Hawks 3-and-out after a terrible YSU punt and a poor Hawks punt. Whew, this is heart-stopping now. No targeting call? 4th and sixteen and...incomplete, game over, damn. Plus, the safety might have worked for a victory. Oh well.


Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Kandrase on October 08, 2022, 09:05:33 PM
Ouch.

Well fought game, team looked good. Turnover made all the difference
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: GoGuins on October 08, 2022, 09:09:27 PM
Did Davidson start the game? I only watched the 4th qtr
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 08, 2022, 09:19:09 PM
Special teams cost us the game.  I wonder if we will ever get a call that goes for us.  That was targeting and that was not DPI.

We are getting better because we don't give up.  They play 60 minutes.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: DLHotch on October 08, 2022, 09:25:45 PM
Did Davidson start the game? I only watched the 4th qtr

Mitch played the whole game and was quite good.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: guinpen on October 08, 2022, 10:42:23 PM
I thought that MD played a pretty good game overall.

Thought that we came out in the second half ready to play, but bummed that we could not finish off those two drives, just 3 points.

D gave up 2-3 big plays where no one was home on coverage.

Never happy with a loss but we are getting better.

Still some play calling that leave me scratching my head. coaches need to step up more.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: YsuPride on October 09, 2022, 12:17:16 AM
Good game.  Piss poor crowd.   DM looked better than Crenshaw for sure.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: YSUGO on October 09, 2022, 08:32:47 AM
Davidson should be QB1 for the rest of the season.  Don’t see how The staff didn’t figure this out sooner.  Davidson isn’t mobile so tweak offense to play to his strengths.  No need to run read plays 15 times a game we need to keep him upright.  I still felt we were outcoached today.  I listened to Phillips after the game and he was saying the usual stuff.  But that being said he needs at least 2 more years and probably another due to what happened under Pelini.  I wish we had more money for better assistant coaches. The problem is even if we get lucky to find one they leave for more money etc.  If we want to be in the SEC of FCS then make the $$$ commitment. 
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: dwj on October 09, 2022, 01:07:30 PM
MD had a good game.  Should get better with more playing time. But the opposition will now have film on him, no surprises.  We should have won that game no excuses.  Poor special teams play and the lack of speed on our defensive line let their QB scramble around and extend plays.  We keep playing like that and it will be a long season. 
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: goodnews on October 09, 2022, 05:11:47 PM
MEDIOCRITY has overcome this program.  We lose and we think we have found our new QB?  Sadly, there isn't a D1 QB on the current roster.  Our remaining schedule includes 3 home and 3 away games.  Sadly, another losing season is in the cards.  All the while James Madison enters the top 25 in FBS.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 09, 2022, 05:19:48 PM
MEDIOCRITY has overcome this program.  We lose and we think we have found our new QB?  Sadly, there isn't a D1 QB on the current roster.  Our remaining schedule includes 3 home and 3 away games.  Sadly, another losing season is in the cards.  All the while James Madison enters the top 25 in FBS.

Patience.  Did you hear what was said in the pregame show.  I was very surprised.  Any takers?
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Cimo7 on October 09, 2022, 06:19:59 PM
MEDIOCRITY has overcome this program.  We lose and we think we have found our new QB?  Sadly, there isn't a D1 QB on the current roster.  Our remaining schedule includes 3 home and 3 away games.  Sadly, another losing season is in the cards.  All the while James Madison enters the top 25 in FBS.

JMU ranked 25th in FBS. Wtf are we doing??
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: guinpen on October 09, 2022, 06:46:53 PM
MEDIOCRITY has overcome this program. 

We have been for a long time!
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: goodnews on October 09, 2022, 06:49:58 PM
Everyone needs to stop with the PATIENCE.  The patience is gone!  Nothing against the current coach either.  Honestly, I believe that the current roster does like the staff and won't quit.  The problem is the roster isn't capable of competing in this conference week in and week out.  Like I said before without the portal we probably don't win a conference game this year.  Including the head coach, NO ONE on this staff has D1 recruiting experience and it shows.  Wait until JT is gone at the beginning of the year too.  I'm sure he made guest appearances to seal the recruits we do have.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Dmorton on October 09, 2022, 07:08:34 PM
Patience!  The damn stands would be full if we were winning here and there!  All I hear is that game was winnable!  Indiana State gave NDSU a good game!  So what, that was a winnable game last year!  Did we win, no. They'll come in here and embarrass us again! I too amd tired of excuses!
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Penquin68 on October 09, 2022, 07:32:53 PM
The game was winnable, but up front they were bigger and stronger than we were. Their D line got significant pressure rushing 4, we did not. Their O line protected the QB so he could survey the field and find open receivers, our QB needed to look fast and throw. Also he couldn't escape because their D line had him surrounded for the most part. I think for a first start under those conditions MD did a good job. Since when did we have a run and pass game? And a significant offense beyond number 8? Not lately. We can now run a complete offense except the designed QB run. Much more of an offense than before. We still need more players that can impact at our level and I think the current coach will get them.

As for our coaching, it is lacking. The defensive breakdowns are too common when playing the loose zone we sometime are in. The 1st 2 drives had numerous break downs. Not sure what happened, but they sure had open receivers. And the offensive play calls are questionable, especially in the red zone.

But there is hope. I think our future is bright.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Kandrase on October 09, 2022, 07:58:37 PM
MEDIOCRITY has overcome this program.  We lose and we think we have found our new QB?  Sadly, there isn't a D1 QB on the current roster.  Our remaining schedule includes 3 home and 3 away games.  Sadly, another losing season is in the cards.  All the while James Madison enters the top 25 in FBS.

JMU ranked 25th in FBS. Wtf are we doing??

We’re much closer to an Akron or OU than JMU, JMU is much better funded than we are and have been for a while. Just because we used to play teams who are having “success” in the FBS level doesn’t mean much to me.

NDSU has been good enough to compete in the FBS for a long time but they don’t because it doesn’t make sense financially or logistically.

Also JMU will never get to compete for a national championship again…

Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: goodnews on October 09, 2022, 08:26:38 PM
The issues at YSU are vast.  A game day atmosphere hasn't been present at Stambaugh Stadium in many years.  The AD and his 32 hour work week staff are worthless and partially to blame.  I know someone is going to bring up OSU plays the same day....... blah blah blah.  We all use former FCS opponents as an example of how irrelevant YSU Football has now become.  The biggest issue outside of poor recruiting is MONEY and likely will never change.  Lastly, the argument that we still compete for a National Championship is a poor excuse to accept the complacency that surrounds this program.         
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: The YO Show on October 09, 2022, 08:49:33 PM
MEDIOCRITY has overcome this program.  We lose and we think we have found our new QB?  Sadly, there isn't a D1 QB on the current roster.  Our remaining schedule includes 3 home and 3 away games.  Sadly, another losing season is in the cards.  All the while James Madison enters the top 25 in FBS.

Patience.  Did you hear what was said in the pregame show.  I was very surprised.  Any takers?

I missed the pregame show. What was said?
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 09, 2022, 09:01:46 PM
Let's keep this to the play opf the football team and not the crowd. 

Any takers?
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 10, 2022, 06:59:42 AM
They were interviewing former national championship players. They said Tressel called them in to interview Phillips.  The former players of championship teams selected him.  It wasn't what you would think......the AD picking based on the loge backer's etc.  If they interviewed Phillips, it's likely that they interviewed more than Phillips.  They were talking about how they know Phillips from the interviewing process and how they know that the kids love him.  They also discussed how it takes time to build championship level football.  From their perspective everything is heading in the right direction.  If I recall correctly, they discussed Harry DelGianis and several others being one of the people in the interview process.  I was so stunned to hear they used former players from championship teams that I sort of didn't hear some of the other parts because my mind immediately went to asking lots of questions like - interesting approach, why do it that way?- Did Tressel lose trust in Strollo"s ability to choose the coach etc.

So you have to be patient. They are trying to build it with even more challenges such as NIL and transfer portal.  Do you think NIL helps or hurts YSU?  I think Phillips has used the transfer portal correctly.

That small detail in the pregame show tells us a lot.

Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: IAA Fan on October 10, 2022, 07:04:58 AM
MEDIOCRITY has overcome this program.  We lose and we think we have found our new QB?  Sadly, there isn't a D1 QB on the current roster.  Our remaining schedule includes 3 home and 3 away games.  Sadly, another losing season is in the cards.  All the while James Madison enters the top 25 in FBS.

Patience.  Did you hear what was said in the pregame show.  I was very surprised.  Any takers?

...and who are they playing? The conference they left has far superior oppsition to the competition they now face. Appy State is the only decent team that they have faced and they almost lost. You know that we would expect a win there for any team in the MVFC.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: guinpen on October 10, 2022, 10:06:10 AM
They were interviewing former national championship players. They said Tressel called them in to interview Phillips.  The former players of championship teams selected him.  It wasn't what you would think......the AD picking based on the loge backer's etc.  If they interviewed Phillips, it's likely that they interviewed more than Phillips.  They were talking about how they know Phillips from the interviewing process and how they know that the kids love him.  They also discussed how it takes time to build championship level football.  From their perspective everything is heading in the right direction.  If I recall correctly, they discussed Harry DelGianis and several others being one of the people in the interview process.  I was so stunned to hear they used former players from championship teams that I sort of didn't hear some of the other parts because my mind immediately went to asking lots of questions like - interesting approach, why do it that way?- Did Tressel lose trust in Strollo"s ability to choose the coach etc.

So you have to be patient. They are trying to build it with even more challenges such as NIL and transfer portal.  Do you think NIL helps or hurts YSU?  I think Phillips has used the transfer portal correctly.

That small detail in the pregame show tells us a lot.

interesting, I can understand why JT would have called some of his former players, but who made the final call?

Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 10, 2022, 10:09:53 AM
The former players.  This is how executive interviews are done to a similar degree in large corporations.  You have the committee vote on the hire vs having a single person or small group that call the shots that includes bias.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: guinpen on October 10, 2022, 10:13:21 AM
The former players

ok
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 10, 2022, 10:52:23 AM
MEDIOCRITY has overcome this program.  We lose and we think we have found our new QB?  Sadly, there isn't a D1 QB on the current roster.  Our remaining schedule includes 3 home and 3 away games.  Sadly, another losing season is in the cards.  All the while James Madison enters the top 25 in FBS.

Patience.  Did you hear what was said in the pregame show.  I was very surprised.  Any takers?

...and who are they playing? The conference they left has far superior oppsition to the competition they now face. Appy State is the only decent team that they have faced and they almost lost. You know that we would expect a win there for any team in the MVFC.

At the beginning of this year, what were your expectations of this team?  They were beaten badly last year by many teams.  What were your expectations of Crenshaw?  We knew that he was a running back that was playing QB and he was a Pelini recruit.  The reality is that we've improved and and we are competing at a higher level.  Did you think we were going to win a NC or the conference this year? 

We need 2 more years of solid recruiting to turn this thing.  Many of the kids playing now are going to be outstanding once they get another year in the weight room and they are backed with solid recruiting behind them. 

Then we have to get a QB.  That's got to be the priority this off-season.  AND now that we have a much better surrounding cast, that critical position will be easier to get because the QB's that are available will know that he's going to be protected and they have a chance win immediately. 

Think logically and don't let your expectations get out in front of you.  We are better and we are getting better.  Maybe there has to be some coaching changes too, but at the end of the day, there's a higher level of competitive excellence overall
 
When we played Kentucky tough it seems that everyone got out  over their skis a bit. 

They are building a program that doesn't need flash to win.  They are building a program that will line up and run you over.  Just like the best teams in the conference.  We should have won that game in Saturday, but we aren't mature enough as a collective team to overcome mistakes. They will learn from this.  We are also turning heads in the conference because they know we are 1-3 years away from being contenders.  Nobody wants to play us.  Nobody.  They are going home beat up and bruised after playing us.  We are doing the hitting and it's showing up late in games which is a great sign.  Everything is pointing in the right direction.  Ron Potesta was placating the people that were calling into the 5th quarter show when he said the time to win is now.  He's wrong.  We only need to win games we are expected to win and steal a few this year but playoffs mean nothing if you  aren't going to be a contender anyway. 

I feel as if the offense is somewhat of a liability.  I have zero confidence we can move the ball against good teams.  UND has a bad defense but when they sent the house they got in the backfield and our inexperienced QB didn't handle the situation correctly.  An average QB needs more time to make vertical throws.  An excellent QB does not need as much time, and does a good job creating time to make the vertical pa$$ing game a threat.  We have an average QB right now and he doesn't have the time to get the ball down field.  In addition, the accuracy and reads are not consistent.  The OL needs another year and they can make the QB look better.  While MD is playing better than Crenshaw at the moment, he doesn't have the arm to push the ball down field accurately like Hunter Wells could.  So no matter how you slice it, we are playing in a phone booth and everyone is going to crowd the LOS.  This will help make the OL better as the year progresses. Once we have that threat at QB and more improvement on the OL, their jobs will get easier and they will be super experienced in picking up the blitz and dealing will a loaded box, because they are dealing with it now.

Just my $.02
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 10, 2022, 11:26:01 AM
Maybe Paladin I-AA should be allowed back to the board.  The evidence says he's been correct.  It's long overdue.  AND he's correct on the monster recruiting class that Phillips brought in this year.  He isn't projecting many wins because his assessment is also correct in that Phillips needs to shore up this class with another one or two behind it.

Take that for what it's worth.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Penguin Nation on October 10, 2022, 05:24:17 PM
Maybe Paladin I-AA should be allowed back to the board.  The evidence says he's been correct.  It's long overdue.  AND he's correct on the monster recruiting cla$$ that Phillips brought in this year.  He isn't projecting many wins because his a$$essment is also correct in that Phillips needs to shore up this cla$$ with another one or two behind it.

Take that for what it's worth.

The moderators of this forum should apologize to Paladin and beg for his return. His insights are more accurate and more interesting than any other contributor on this forum as well as the local media.

Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Dmorton on October 10, 2022, 05:48:00 PM
I for one enjoyed reading Paladin's comments!  Most of the time he was spot on!
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Wick250 on October 10, 2022, 05:51:32 PM
Since I went to the game, I had no idea what was said on the pre-game show. This information puts to rest the absurd notion that Tressel could be intimidated to select a coach at the whim of a donor. As president, Tressel has done much to fortify his legacy at YSU. Should Phillips work out in the long run it will be his last accomplishment.

I am as angry and disappointed as anybody, but a little historical perspective is in order.  Tressel actually inherited more talent from Narduzzi than Phillips did from Pelini. Yet he won two games in that first year, including the vital upset of Akron in the final game.  Then we snuck into the playoffs in his second year behind some unlikely last second wins.  But people forget that the third year was also a disaster.  It was not until 1989, the fourth year, that Tressel started to win consistently. And the competition that Tressel faced in the Ohio Valley (1986-87) and as an independent (1988-89) was way, way inferior to what Phillips confronts in the MVFC.

I hate the word "patience" too.  But there are no quick fixes to building a program "the right way" as penguinpower and others have noted. I suppose Phillips could have done what Petrino did at MSU, bring in 49 transfers and try to win immediately (as a ticket back to the big time for him.)  That worked a bit last season. How is that working for him in 2022?

Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Kandrase on October 10, 2022, 08:12:59 PM
Since I went to the game, I had no idea what was said on the pre-game show. This information puts to rest the absurd notion that Tressel could be intimidated to select a coach at the whim of a donor. As president, Tressel has done much to fortify his legacy at YSU. Should Phillips work out in the long run it will be his last accomplishment.

I am as angry and disappointed as anybody, but a little historical perspective is in order.  Tressel actually inherited more talent from Narduzzi than Phillips did from Pelini. Yet he won two games in that first year, including the vital upset of Akron in the final game.  Then we snuck into the playoffs in his second year behind some unlikely last second wins.  But people forget that the third year was also a disaster.  It was not until 1989, the fourth year, that Tressel started to win consistently. And the competition that Tressel faced in the Ohio Valley (1986-87) and as an independent (1988-89) was way, way inferior to what Phillips confronts in the MVFC.

I hate the word "patience" too.  But there are no quick fixes to building a program "the right way" as penguinpower and others have noted. I suppose Phillips could have done what Petrino did at MSU, bring in 49 transfers and try to win immediately (as a ticket back to the big time for him.)  That worked a bit last season. How is that working for him in 2022?

Well it’s also a lot easier to bring in 49 transfers when you’re a former FBS and NFL coach who has some name recognition.

It’s sort of like Deion sanders at Jackson state, I’m sure he knows a ton about the Xs and Os but his recruiting advantage is massive as an extremely well know player 
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: goodnews on October 10, 2022, 09:43:44 PM
The head coach is likeable just not sure he will be able to surround himself with the staff needed to be successful in the league.  JT handled the offense and was loaded with defensive minds for as long as he was here. 
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 10, 2022, 09:46:22 PM
The head coach is likeable just not sure he will be able to surround himself with the staff needed to be successful in the league.  JT handled the offense and was loaded with defensive minds for as long as he was here.


That's not a coaching problem, that's a funding problem
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Wick250 on October 10, 2022, 11:32:15 PM
The head coach is likeable just not sure he will be able to surround himself with the staff needed to be successful in the league.  JT handled the offense and was loaded with defensive minds for as long as he was here.


That's not a coaching problem, that's a funding problem

Quite possibly.  We really need to know what competent assistant coaches are paid in the MVFC.  At a place saturated with money like NDSU, we would logically expect them to pay quite well. But I wonder if the rest of the schools in the league are able to pay their coaches more than we do.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: dwj on October 11, 2022, 11:05:47 AM
At many (most successful) programs the people that donate large sums of money are interested in winning.  Ours seem to be only interested in getting their name on something.  And Strollo is good at giving them what they want and they love him.  Until this changes we will never be competitive with top teams.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: YSUGO on October 11, 2022, 07:34:01 PM
I have said all along it was a money issue.  We let one of the best recruiters in the nation go…who had won awards from his peers as an assistant.  His name was Wolford.  He made 2 mistakes.  One not putting his foot down in getting a bigger money pool for assistants. The other mistake was playing #8 at safety. His teams past the eye test physically.  Till we get more money somehow we will be mediocre. Which makes me feel that the AD failed to find the money or revenue stream for us to complete.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: IAA Fan on October 12, 2022, 09:16:00 AM
Well between Wolf and Pelini, you had almost opposite situations. Wolf had Montgomery on offense and no one ever ripened for his DC. Had Bo not showed up, Wolf would have been retained. Pelini had defensive coaches, but thought is was okay to allow 20-35 points per game as your offense was supposed to pile up points. Which is also why Nebraska never became "elite" under his direction. You cannot lose 1 or 2 games and be considered "elite".  Bo and Montgomery just did not get along as Montgomery managed the clock. But Bo capitalized on Montgomery's recruits and assistants.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 12, 2022, 09:48:59 AM
Well between Wolf and Pelini, you had almost opposite situations. Wolf had Montgomery on offense and no one ever ripened for his DC. Had Bo not showed up, Wolf would have been retained. Pelini had defensive coaches, but thought is was okay to allow 20-35 points per game as your offense was supposed to pile up points. Which is also why Nebraska never became "elite" under his direction. You cannot lose 1 or 2 games and be considered "elite".  Bo and Montgomery just did not get along as Montgomery managed the clock. But Bo capitalized on Montgomery's recruits and a$$istants.

Montgomery's offense could not win against physical teams. Phillips is building a team that can run over other teams. That's what we need.  Montgomery's offense would score a lot against inferior competition and would struggle to score when playing national title contenders.  We had ZERO conference championships under Montgomery's offense.  He couldn't beat the Dakota teams after they fully transitioned to FCS.  He lost to Sam Houston when he was at JMU (likely with superior talent).  I don't understand the man love for Montgomery.  He was above average but not excellent and once he was figured out in the MVFC and the CAA his offenses would drop in their ranking nationally.  He went from 10th to 14th in one year at JMU.  He couldn't deal with the Tampa 2 defense very well either.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: IAA Fan on October 12, 2022, 06:27:02 PM
We had ZERO conference success under any OC. Sounds like you are confusing Montgomery with Tressel's offenses. Monty produced, tressel ran the clock out. We had an elite offense under Coach M and a "man-love" comment will not change facts. Best QB's, best Backs, Best lines, etc.. The most elite offenses and defenses in the nation all have weaknesses, and figuring these these out is what coaching is all about. At least Montgomery gave YSU an elite offense for you to pick at. It is the only time we ever had that in my memory. Tressel lost to anyone good on our regular season schedule for years, then expected fans to cheer when we defeated a MAC team that was no where's  near the talent. He drops our option game and then gets his backside handed to him by an option club in the '99 championship. Then when he gets to OSU, where he cannot take a loss or two to hide half of his offensive plays under the banner of a weak schedule, he has much more limited post-season success. Montgomery gave us almost 36 PPG over his entire career with YSU & did the same for 2 years with JMU. Much more difficult task at Buffalo, but he will get the job done. If not, he will be replaced.

I fail to see what tells you we are building a team to "run over" other teams? We have had zero output on offense since Phillips got here ... absolutely ZERO. In 3 years. We use an undersized  TB who could not 'run over' anyone. I love the guy, but that is not his style. Tamron Smith ran over people & yes, we can both agree that is what we need now so we CAN run over some people.

BTW we have only had 2 conference championships in my DI lifetime Tressel and Heacock). So I would guess YSU head coaches had limited success in that regard, not the OC's. You love an offensive-based ball game. I am all about defense. a 45-43 game tells me there is no defense. A 6-3 score is so much more exciting. You would rather see a 10-6 baseball game. I would rather see a no-hitter.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 12, 2022, 09:25:02 PM
We had ZERO conference success under any OC. Sounds like you are confusing Montgomery with Tressel's offenses. Monty produced, tressel ran the clock out. We had an elite offense under Coach M and a "man-love" comment will not change facts. Best QB's, best Backs, Best lines, etc.. The most elite offenses and defenses in the nation all have weaknesses, and figuring these these out is what coaching is all about. At least Montgomery gave YSU an elite offense for you to pick at. It is the only time we ever had that in my memory. Tressel lost to anyone good on our regular season schedule for years, then expected fans to cheer when we defeated a MAC team that was no where's  near the talent. He drops our option game and then gets his backside handed to him by an option club in the '99 championship. Then when he gets to OSU, where he cannot take a loss or two to hide half of his offensive plays under the banner of a weak schedule, he has much more limited post-season success. Montgomery gave us almost 36 PPG over his entire career with YSU & did the same for 2 years with JMU. Much more difficult task at Buffalo, but he will get the job done. If not, he will be replaced.

I fail to see what tells you we are building a team to "run over" other teams? We have had zero output on offense since Phillips got here ... absolutely ZERO. In 3 years. We use an undersized  TB who could not 'run over' anyone. I love the guy, but that is not his style. Tamron Smith ran over people & yes, we can both agree that is what we need now so we CAN run over some people.

BTW we have only had 2 conference championships in my DI lifetime Tressel and Heacock). So I would guess YSU head coaches had limited success in that regard, not the OC's. You love an offensive-based ball game. I am all about defense. a 45-43 game tells me there is no defense. A 6-3 score is so much more exciting. You would rather see a 10-6 baseball game. I would rather see a no-hitter.


We were independent for several years before we joined the Gateway in 97.  So that's not a fair comparison.  The bottom line is the 4 national championship rings and 2 other appearances. 

Pelini left the cupboard bare.  Worse than Heacock.  Wolford stacked the team and Pelini won with his recruits.  Phillips has way more challenges and still had a MONSTER recruiting class this year.  He had to deal with COVID in year 1and the AD wouldn't let him turn the roster over by 100% in a single year.  In addition Phillips has to deal with a wide open transfer portal and NIL(which none of the other coaches had to do).  Yet he took advantage of the portal without messing up team chemistry.  He's finding mukti-sport athletes that need to develop in the weight room.  I keep sending people back to the Cincinnati model.  That's what he's doing.  It's cristal clear.

He put a size requirement in the lines.  6'3 minimum height.  Put them in the weight room for 2-3 years and they will be good.  But he needs depth and I believe he had to adapt his recruiting by setting this requirement. 

In a few years they should be outstanding.  And when they are, we will be running A-gap power plays on offense and we will be running people over.  He needs a QB and 2 more classes and we will be set.  He had to deal with the bullsh** Covid year so he gets a pass because it really affected recruiting, especially for a school like YSU that simply has to do more with less. 

Montgomery was average. If he was great he would have been retained.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: YSUGO on October 13, 2022, 09:55:22 PM
How are we being built for a power offense?  We have running backs that are small and fast. We aren’t running power formations a lot with multiple te!s etc

Disagree about Montgomery. He was a decent recruiter and to say we couldn’t score against good teams might be true but our defense couldn’t Stop anybody so unless awe scored 30 a game we lost.

When we made the playoff run with Pelini we beat good competition.

His bio speaks for itself.  If that’s average I will take it.

https://ysusports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/shane-montgomery/304
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: penguinpower on October 14, 2022, 09:17:54 AM
How are we being built for a power offense?  We have running backs that are small and fast. We aren’t running power formations a lot with multiple te!s etc

Disagree about Montgomery. He was a decent recruiter and to say we couldn’t score against good teams might be true but our defense couldn’t Stop anybody so unless awe scored 30 a game we lost.

When we made the playoff run with Pelini we beat good competition.

His bio speaks for itself.  If that’s average I will take it.

https://ysusports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/shane-montgomery/304

The RB's will be gone by the time the line is ready.  He will need to more RB's. When the line is ready we will be able to run A gap power.  You can't win this conference if you can't.  That's the most necessary objective on offense.  You can't contend if you can't do it.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: IAA Fan on October 14, 2022, 01:06:43 PM
Power, at least we both want the same thing. A wining YSU program. As I said before, I was ready to toss Tressel at this point & I am sure glad they did not. I hope that I am just as wrong about Phillips. However, when it comes to OC's in YSU's DI history; only 2 will be remembered, one for his success 'after' YSU and one for his success 'with' YSU. The later is coach Shane. The former is coach Dantonio. By the way, don't you wish we could finish with the 14th-ranked offense this season? You always drop a bit as the season progresses and your competition becomes rougher. We are down to 57th right now. Amazingly our defense has moved up drastically to #39.
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: PeteGuinYo on October 14, 2022, 05:35:35 PM
I have said all along it was a money issue.  We let one of the best recruiters in the nation go…who had won awards from his peers as an a$$istant.  His name was Wolford.  He made 2 mistakes.  One not putting his foot down in getting a bigger money pool for a$$istants. The other mistake was playing #8 at safety. His teams past the eye test physically.  Till we get more money somehow we will be mediocre. Which makes me feel that the AD failed to find the money or revenue stream for us to complete.
   It is absolutely a money issue.  Checkout this site to explore D-1 Sports and Academic Finances:  https://knightnewhousedata.org/fcs 
Title: Re: UND Game thread
Post by: Wick250 on October 15, 2022, 09:42:19 AM
I have said all along it was a money issue.  We let one of the best recruiters in the nation go…who had won awards from his peers as an a$$istant.  His name was Wolford.  He made 2 mistakes.  One not putting his foot down in getting a bigger money pool for a$$istants. The other mistake was playing #8 at safety. His teams past the eye test physically.  Till we get more money somehow we will be mediocre. Which makes me feel that the AD failed to find the money or revenue stream for us to complete.
   It is absolutely a money issue.  Checkout this site to explore D-1 Sports and Academic Finances:  https://knightnewhousedata.org/fcs

Thanks for finding this source.  It is exactly what we need to form intelligent judgments.