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Title: Fresno State
Post by: Wick250 on March 21, 2022, 06:35:23 PM
Game is listed for telecast on ESPN+
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: mudclods on March 21, 2022, 08:12:31 PM
Probably one of the best teams in the tourney.  They are 20-13 on the year, 12-4 at home.  They were #73 in the net rankings, YSU is #249.

Looks like YSU is a 12.5-13.5 underdog. 

YSU is going to have to play a lot better than they have in awhile to pull off the upset.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: IAA Fan on March 22, 2022, 09:15:56 AM
Yes. The game is on my calendar for ESPN+. It adds automatically. so it must be getting coverage.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: mudclods on March 23, 2022, 08:58:09 AM
Finally some clarification as YSU did get a bye into the quarterfinals after Wofford withdrew. 

Last night Southern Utah beat UTEP and will now play Portland on Friday night with the winner playing the YSU - Fresno State winner. on Monday  Southern Utah has had to win 2 games to get where they are compared to everyone else only winning 1.  They did give them a home game against Portland. 

I'm guessing YSU will have to stay out there if they win. 

Coastal Carolina and South Alabama have advanced to the semi-finals.  This will be South Alabama's 3rd home game, Coastal Carolina has had 2. 
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: guinpen on March 23, 2022, 10:11:11 PM
Well it is a nice start to the game, 7-0 good guys
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: mudclods on March 23, 2022, 10:56:21 PM
Played very well the first half.  Cohill has been amazing.  Downside is just 1-10 from 3 and have had a lot of good looks; a few were in and out.  YSU has done well taking care of the ball and doing a good job on the boards.  Now let's hope the 2nd half struggles don't continue.  Fresno State has only won 1 game this season when trailing at the half.     

The TV broadcast has been horrible.  Many times the screen went black, audio is slightly behind, could hear a girl in the background calling replay to the announcers, scoreboard wasn't updated the last several mins
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Dmorton on March 24, 2022, 12:17:15 AM
Another 5-8 minute breakdown in the second half got them!  Other than that, good effort!  Now, let us see who stays and who goes!
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: mudclods on March 24, 2022, 12:26:09 AM
Shame to lose that one.  Thought YSU played really hard but that stretch during the 2nd half after YSU built the lead to 10 and then it was turnover after turnover and they made a lot of shots.  YSU took care of the ball in the first half with only 4 turnover, but had 10 in the 2nd half and there had to be 6 within a few mins.  Then when Akuchie fouled out that pretty much sealed the deal.  Just hated to see his career end that way.   

Cohill was just outstanding once again.  When was the last time someone from YSU had 8 assists? That in addition to 26 points.  I hope he hasn't played himself out of YSU.  It was nice to see Jamir Thomas go out with probably his best game of the year.  Wish we could have saw more of that throughout the year.

A lot of credit to YSU in this one as they seemed to really utilize their game plan.  Even though they lost, I felt that was the best they'be played since probably the Oakland & Detroit wins during the end of their 6 game win streak.

On a side note, thought Fresno State taking it down to dunk it at the end when YSU called off the dogs was pretty cheap.  Not sure the last time I saw a team do that
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: mudclods on March 24, 2022, 12:39:09 AM
Another 5-8 minute breakdown in the second half got them!  Other than that, good effort!  Now, let us see who stays and who goes!

The 2nd half has hurt YSU all year.  Of course Fresno State had only won 1 game when trailing at the half all year.  The final numbers for the season is YSU was +109 in the first half and ended up -3 in the 2nd half & OT combined.  That really was the demise of the season.  Not sure if that's coaching, not executing or just the other teams making better adjustments/executing or probably a combination of everything. 
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: ucfpengbuck on March 24, 2022, 03:16:36 PM
Had a stretch in the 2nd half where too many turnovers which killed us from holding the lead along with Akuchie fouling out.   Not enough size to win a war against their two 7-0 footers.  Outside of Jamir nothing else from the bench.  Fresno really keyed on Cohill in the 2nd half.
Fresno announcers where very complementary towards the program despite a crappy production.
Outside of playing UCLA in 2007 not sure the last time the Penguins were in California.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Penquin68 on March 24, 2022, 03:30:17 PM
Their bigs were too much for us and with Akuchie gone in the 2nd half we were done. Played them closer than the talent of the teams would indicate so that is good. Unfortunately costly turnovers with careless passes in the 2nd half really hurt us and were not due to a talent differnce in my opinion, just loosing focus and making some passes that were easily intercepted. But the size difference was the major problem all game with them getting many easy baskets and causing us difficulty on offense.

Dwayne Cohill is the real deal; sure hope he stays.  Will Dunn can be significant with improvement and Mays can be a contributor. Not sure about the rest of our returning team and how much they can grow as players over the off season. Who stays and who goes and who comes in to supplement our group will be key for next year. It can happen as you look around basketball.  Look at the improvement of Cleveland State in a short time and look at St Peters in the NCAA; not much more of a recruiting environment than we have in my opinion. Maybe I am too optomistic but I sure hope we can do it.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: YSU1 on March 24, 2022, 06:40:41 PM
Don't forget that Fresno had two starters that were hurt and another guy that was plaing hurt.  they were playing subs some of whom saw little time during the season.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: ucfpengbuck on March 24, 2022, 07:12:34 PM
Penguin68,I see no reason why Cohill would leave.  He's going to be the face of the program .   Would love to see him at point next season and if Covington comes back and the addition of Brandon Rush would give some real fire power with a 3 guard offense.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Dmorton on March 24, 2022, 09:51:53 PM
I don't care who they had out!  YSU gave a good effort and accounting of themselves against one of the top four Mountain West schools. 
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: goodnews on March 25, 2022, 01:24:05 AM
To compare St Peters recruiting area to Youngstown is like comparing Ohio weather to Florida.  St Peters is in Jersey City and close to NYC and Philly.  The biggest challenge is finding kids that qualify for college.  Lots of street ballers on the east coast. Physical, gifted and fearless.  However,  most dont understand team concept.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: ucfpengbuck on March 25, 2022, 09:16:51 AM
I don't care who they had out!  YSU gave a good effort and accounting of themselves against one of the top four Mountain West schools.

YES!  Can we say that we lost arguably our best player 3 games into the season with an achillies injury.   We need to realize that coach C has got the program out of the cellar of the conference and we're in the middle and fighting to compete with the upper echelon.  The last few years YSU has been competitive where they once were a doormat.   No way (maybe one or two years exception) the last 30 years could YSU battle a Fresno on the road like they did the other night.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Penquin68 on March 26, 2022, 10:34:31 AM
Recruiting at our level is difficult. The east coast is not that far away that we can't recruit there. It usually takes a coach with ties to an area to recruit it. Look at our women's basketball team. Coach Andy Crane, who has since left, came from the Minnosota area. We had a long list of players at YSU WBB from that area, a 10 hour drive away. Chelsey Olson to name just one. It will probably dry up now that he is gone. But recruitiing is key at all levels and at times a good coach hire can get you into areas that previously were not open to you.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: IAA Fan on March 28, 2022, 02:25:42 PM
To compare St Peters recruiting area to Youngstown is like comparing Ohio weather to Florida.  St Peters is in Jersey City and close to NYC and Philly.  The biggest challenge is finding kids that qualify for college.  Lots of street ballers on the east coast. Physical, gifted and fearless.  However,  most dont understand team concept.

So true. I watched those guys a few times in their run and they were very much Ghetto ball. They were coached to be overly-aggressive and knew that eventually the officials would stop calling it as often. They moved their pivot foot on almost every single pick they set and I doubt it was called more that a few times each game. That one player drove underneath the board, out-of-bounds almost every time, then pushed his backside up against the defender & that was not only never called, but most of the times the defender was called. Had he moved under the hoop face-forward he would have been called every time ... very smart.

Then when they met Duke, St. Peters had no idea what to do. Stronger with more finesse in almost every way. So it showed how aggressive St Peters was and they were suddenly called. Look how long it took Peters to even score back-to-back baskets. By then it was too late. Their run reminded me of Butler, only Butler had the 3-pointers. I also noticed that Duke got back in position when inbounding the ball, where most teams stayed with St. Peter's press, Duke did not. Of course that is easy to do when you are playing with a 20-point lead.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Dmorton on March 28, 2022, 04:49:39 PM
Well!  They got the final four they wanted!  Big dollars!  UNC vs Duke-coach K's last go around. Kansas vs Villanova!  Another two storied programs!  Should be good!  Ratings should be high!
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: mudclods on March 28, 2022, 08:28:38 PM
To compare St Peters recruiting area to Youngstown is like comparing Ohio weather to Florida.  St Peters is in Jersey City and close to NYC and Philly.  The biggest challenge is finding kids that qualify for college.  Lots of street ballers on the east coast. Physical, gifted and fearless.  However,  most dont understand team concept.

So true. I watched those guys a few times in their run and they were very much Ghetto ball. They were coached to be overly-aggressive and knew that eventually the officials would stop calling it as often. They moved their pivot foot on almost every single pick they set and I doubt it was called more that a few times each game. That one player drove underneath the board, out-of-bounds almost every time, then pushed his backside up against the defender & that was not only never called, but most of the times the defender was called. Had he moved under the hoop face-forward he would have been called every time ... very smart.

Then when they met Duke, St. Peters had no idea what to do. Stronger with more finesse in almost every way. So it showed how aggressive St Peters was and they were suddenly called. Look how long it took Peters to even score back-to-back baskets. By then it was too late. Their run reminded me of Butler, only Butler had the 3-pointers. I also noticed that Duke got back in position when inbounding the ball, where most teams stayed with St. Peter's press, Duke did not. Of course that is easy to do when you are playing with a 20-point lead.

Assume you're talking about North Carolina and not Duke.  Coach Calhoun has always talked about with YSU when shots aren't falling it carries over to a team's defense.  I think this was the case in this game.  Saint Peter's missed so many close range shots and open 3's early, which really allowed UNC to open up a lead.  Not that it would have changed the outcome, but it probably would have been a closer game.  I think UNC's quickness just really affected Saint Peter's.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: IAA Fan on March 30, 2022, 09:57:08 AM
Yes I meant UNC, not Duke. That will be an interesting final-4 game. They said it is the first time they have faced each other at this level.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: mudclods on April 04, 2022, 08:32:14 AM
Back to Fresno State, they did end up winning The Basketball Classic title.  After the YSU win, they beat a good Southern Utah team by 21 and Coastal Carolina on the road by 11 in the championship game.  I think they were clearly the best team in the tournament and YSU had them on the ropes. 
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Double ET on April 04, 2022, 11:18:37 AM
Back to Fresno State, they did end up winning The Basketball Cla$$ic title.  After the YSU win, they beat a good Southern Utah team by 21 and Coastal Carolina on the road by 11 in the championship game.  I think they were clearly the best team in the tournament and YSU had them on the ropes.

I still could not get this out of my head. How many more games could we have won if Naz, Q and Covington were all on our team this year?
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Penguin Nick on April 04, 2022, 02:36:46 PM
I think of this everyday >:(
I hate the transfer portal with a passion.
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Dmorton on April 04, 2022, 04:11:50 PM
I would think at least 23-25 game!
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Double ET on April 04, 2022, 04:52:06 PM
I would think at least 23-25 game!
In that case, Naz and Q could have very well experienced the big dance without having to transfer out. How ironic!
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Dmorton on April 04, 2022, 05:25:04 PM
Yep!  How did that work for them? 
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: Dmorton on April 04, 2022, 05:26:58 PM
I must agree, I hate the transfer portal.  How in the heck are you supposed to build a program the right way?
Title: Re: Fresno State
Post by: ucfpengbuck on April 04, 2022, 06:49:00 PM
Everyones seems to agree that the portal hurts the the mid-major and works well for the big conference schools but YSU took Owen Long who was the leading scorer on his D2 team and Tevin Olison who was the leading scorer at his NAIA team.   Just saying mid-majors are bullying in their own way.

As far as not having Q,Naz,and Garrett.  I can only say that the portal gave us Cohill and Olison which might have been a wash only because Q's history of injuries in which he missed games at Fordham and his shooting % was not great this year.  Losing Naz was a bigger blow along with Covington going down. No doubt if they all came back and health was not a factor this team would have been scary good.

Really think Cohill is going to have a monster season and should be a 1st team all Horizon type.  Still thinking about the Fresno broadcast team that thought Dwayne was the best guard they saw all season.

Also did everyone see where Naz declared for the NFL draft.  I quess he'll try to make it as as a TE.