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Title: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: 33Y0 on January 07, 2022, 03:11:32 PM
https://twitter.com/DomIzzoWDAY/status/1479501218506592259?s=20

"Murray State makes it official, they are leaving the Ohio Valley for the Missouri Valley Conference. This statement says there are active discussions between the Missouri Valley Football Conference and Murray State on membership."
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: Wick250 on January 07, 2022, 04:38:59 PM
This is potentially very good news for us. I doubt that anybody wants to play more than 8 league games. So if the MVFC expanded to 12, how would you fairly decide which 8 teams a school played in a given year?  The only feasible way is by forming divisions. Six schools on each side of the Mississippi.

YSU, Indiana State, Illinois State, Western Illinois, Southern Illinois, Murray State

NDSU, SDSU, South Dakota, North Dakota, Northern Iowa, Missouri State

Each year you play the 5 teams from your own division and then 3 from the other.  Rotate the 3 after a 2-year cycle.

For reasons of geography and rivalries, the Dakota schools always play each other.  Likewise, the Illinois schools and Indiana State always play.  Murray would just be happy to be in a much better basketball conference.  YSU obviously would be pleased.

The two losers, UNI and Missouri State.  Who cares.
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: guinpen on January 07, 2022, 05:46:02 PM
This is potentially very good news for us. I doubt that anybody wants to play more than 8 league games. So if the MVFC expanded to 12, how would you fairly decide which 8 teams a school played in a given year?  The only feasible way is by forming divisions. Six schools on each side of the Mississippi.

YSU, Indiana State, Illinois State, Western Illinois, Southern Illinois, Murray State

NDSU, SDSU, South Dakota, North Dakota, Northern Iowa, Missouri State

Each year you play the 5 teams from your own division and then 3 from the other.  Rotate the 3 after a 2-year cycle.

For reasons of geography and rivalries, the Dakota schools always play each other.  Likewise, the Illinois schools and Indiana State always play.  Murray would just be happy to be in a much better basketball conference.  YSU obviously would be pleased.

The two losers, UNI and Missouri State.  Who cares.

Makes sense and would be good for YSU. Love your last line, I agree

Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: guinpen on April 04, 2022, 06:28:32 PM
ST. LOUIS, Missouri (WKBN) – The Missouri Valley Football Conference, of which Youngstown State is a member, voted to extend an offer of membership to Murray State University.

The move establishes the Racers Football program as the 12th member of the FCS conference.

Murray State, which is located in Murray Kentucky, finished last season with an overall record of 6-5.

“With Murray State becoming the 12th Missouri Valley Football Conference member, we have stabilized and strengthened FCS football in the Midwest and cemented the MVFC’s position as the premier FCS football conference in the nation,” said MVFC Commissioner Patty Viverito. “This course of action makes good sense for our conference, our member institutions, our fans and most importantly our student-athletes.  With this move, we will turn long-standing traditional games with neighboring schools into conference rivalries and open the way for equally satisfying new rivalries throughout the league.”

Murray State will play its’ first season in the Missouri Valley Football Conference in the fall of 2023.

The Racers will play the 2022 season in the Ohio Valley Conference, their 75th and final season in the league.

“As we enter a new era of Racer Athletics and begin to play in the Missouri Valley Conference, I am extremely proud that we will be playing football in the Missouri Valley Football Conference,” said Murray State University President Bob Jackson. “This is the best FCS Conference in the country and it will benefit our student-athletes, our program and the university as a whole as we move forward.  I want to thank Commissioner Patty Viverito and the MVFC Presidents Council for this invitation and vote of support.”
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: Wick250 on April 04, 2022, 07:13:19 PM
Viverito also stated that the conference will not use divisions.  Rather, you would play everybody at least four times in six years!  Sorry, that is not practical.  You know that the Dakota schools will insist on yearly matchups. The Illinois schools and Indiana State (right on the Illinois border) would rightly also insist on playing each other every year?  Divisions is the only answer. And it will mean far fewer trips to the Dakotas for us.
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: IAA Fan on April 05, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
It is a little upsetting that we cannot get a bid into the MVC, especially with the historical success for our women's basketball, but football does not control conference moves ...never has. Honestly I expect to see Murray State as a bottom-feeder in the MVFC, but a good choice for the MVC. However, you never know, the MVFC has a reputation and that may draw some football recruits to Murray State. I mean let's face it, if we were going for football, the MVFC would take EKU or JSU.
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: YSUGO on April 05, 2022, 01:14:26 PM
Don’t see how Murray St football benefited the conference for us.  The MVC wanted them for basketball. Explain to me how it benefits our program. 
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: goodnews on April 05, 2022, 04:51:12 PM
The last thing we need is another team we cant beat. 
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: guinpen on April 05, 2022, 07:37:55 PM
The last thing we need is another team we cant beat.

Why cant we beat them?

Looked at their schedule last year and the only score that remotely stands out is their loss to Bowling Green by only 17.
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: guinpen on April 06, 2022, 09:41:39 AM
Viverito also stated that the conference will not use divisions.  Rather, you would play everybody at least four times in six years!  Sorry, that is not practical. 

Fail to see any logic in her statement.
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: IAA Fan on April 06, 2022, 12:49:32 PM
Viverito also stated that the conference will not use divisions.  Rather, you would play everybody at least four times in six years!  Sorry, that is not practical. 

Fail to see any logic in her statement.

I don't know, I think one is as practical as the other.  It is just more work to schedule with everyone & th conference will tell us which teams we play. The big-10 proved what a flop assigned teams are. You have the 'contenders' vs the 'wannabes' right now.
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: guinpen on April 06, 2022, 01:18:14 PM
Viverito also stated that the conference will not use divisions.  Rather, you would play everybody at least four times in six years!  Sorry, that is not practical. 

Fail to see any logic in her statement.

I don't know, I think one is as practical as the other.  It is just more work to schedule with everyone & th conference will tell us which teams we play. The big-10 proved what a flop a$$igned teams are. You have the 'contenders' vs the 'wannabes' right now.

Makes more sense to have divisions so 5 teams are set every year. Then 3 teams for 2 years then the other 3 teams for 2 years.
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: Wick250 on April 06, 2022, 01:20:24 PM
Viverito also stated that the conference will not use divisions.  Rather, you would play everybody at least four times in six years!  Sorry, that is not practical. 

Fail to see any logic in her statement.

Nothing that Viverito has said about scheduling is logical.  She claims that there will be no divisions yet states that the Dakota schools will always play each other. That alone makes a shambles of her 4/6 provision. She is just trying to placate UNI and Missouri State who fear getting stuck with the Dakotas each season.  I still submit that the divisions that I proposed at the top of this thread are the only logical scheduling pattern.  And in 2023 if that proposal came to a vote, it would be approved by league teams by a 10-2 margin.
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: peteonastick on April 06, 2022, 01:34:15 PM
I think it opens up the possibility of the OVC and MVFC "partnering" or just flat out combining into a super conference.  This opens up all kinds of possibilities with eastern MVFC teams and OVC teams.  YSU could use some more local rivalries instead of traveling to the Dakota's all the time. Eastern Illinois, EKU, and the 6 eastern MVFC teams would make a good conference or division. 

GO GUINS!
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: Dmorton on April 06, 2022, 01:54:06 PM
I think I read that EKU will be joining another league!  Could be wrong!
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: IAA Fan on April 07, 2022, 08:32:23 AM
EKU and JSU both left the OVC. They are going into the ASUN, a conference which will be IA/FBS in a year.
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: guinpen on April 07, 2022, 01:23:28 PM
EKU and JSU both left the OVC. They are going into the ASUN, a conference which will be IA/FBS in a year.

Thanks for reminding me all those schools are moving up, some were recently D2. I need to go for a walk!
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: Wick250 on April 07, 2022, 05:38:25 PM
EKU and JSU both left the OVC. They are going into the ASUN, a conference which will be IA/FBS in a year.

Thanks for reminding me all those schools are moving up, some were recently D2. I need to go for a walk!

ASUN is and will remain a FCS conference, so EKU is not going to FBS.  JSU will spend only 2022 in ASUN before moving to Conference USA and FBS.
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: Penguin Nation on April 08, 2022, 01:23:51 PM
It is madness to not have the Dakota Marker game annually, or any of the Dakota inter/intra-state rivalries. Playing it OOC would deprive these schools of either a money game or a red meat game.

Will Murray, a team that hasn't been in the playoffs for 20 years, and only had one FCS playoff win ever, hurt current members ability to get at-large playoff bids by watering down the conference SOS?

If we're scavenging for OVC roadkill, why not go after Eastern IL, which would immediately have natural rivals, is a better geographic fit, and has been in the FCS playoffs seven times since Murray's last appearance?

Murray's acceptance to the MVFC was likely only due to their acceptance into the MVC for other sports. 

Interesting also that their HC is Dean Hood, who was a candidate for the YSU job before the dumpster fire became HC.

Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: guinpen on April 09, 2022, 10:53:52 AM
EKU and JSU both left the OVC. They are going into the ASUN, a conference which will be IA/FBS in a year.

Thanks for reminding me all those schools are moving up, some were recently D2. I need to go for a walk!

ASUN is and will remain a FCS conference, so EKU is not going to FBS.  JSU will spend only 2022 in ASUN before moving to Conference USA and FBS.

Thanks, that makes me feel some better!
Title: Re: Murray State heading to the Missouri Valley
Post by: IAA Fan on April 10, 2022, 11:23:42 AM
I noticed on the spring releases, the ASUN is making a big deal out of football, but also being very public about Liberty NOT being a football member. Like the MVFC, the ASUN football conference will be independent from the rest of the conference, but not as separated as the MVFC/MVC. So it looks like they begin 2022 with UCA (Central Arkansas), EKU (Eastern Kentucky), JSU (Jacksonville State), KSU (Kennesaw State) and UNA (North Alabama) as football members. I also understand they will receive a bid to the FCS tourney because they have a minimum 5 qualifying members.

The remaining OVC football member schools and Big South will be merging, as the Big South allows football-only membership. So since the Big South and ASUN are sister conferences, does anyone think there will be some type of further conference merger? I still think one of these conferences will become FBS.