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Let's more on from and start taking about our next loss.
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Let's more on from and start taking about our next loss.
What, you don’t believe in miracles?
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Tough place to play - rare wins out in Iowa. Flat field, flat turf, play in a tin can, fans right on top of you, etc..
Let's put 3 quarters together this week - keep building and get Crenshaw the experience he needs.
GO GUINS
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Any spread on this yet? Would imagine UNI -17.5. Any guesses?
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Is the game on local tv?
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We're less than 24 hours from kickoff against arguably one of our biggest nemesis and there are 5 posts. For those who don't think this program is in serious trouble, think again!
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We're less than 24 hours from kickoff against arguably one of our biggest nemesis and there are 5 posts. For those who don't think this program is in serious trouble, think again!
But, based on the other topic on MAC/Zippy, we still have better support than Akron.
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The game is on WYTV live at 5 pm.
It will be a tough game for us, especially after our poor showing in the 2nd half last week. Our O line is hurting us on offense. No time for any passing game and the run game is mostly the running ability of 8 and 10. And on defense we get no pressure on the qb. I hope it is better than I think. Will be watching.
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would love a win but if not at least show improvement
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Been MIA this week. I moved on Tuesday out of my apartment, so it's been busy. I would like to think that YSU may show improvement from last week, but honestly I still put last week's loss at coaching not players. So that being said fully expect this to be a loss. I'd be happy if it looks competitive because I'm not sure it will be. Only thing we may have going for us is Farley may not run the score up too much? Either way I'll be hoping for a miracle. Go penguins!
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Not a good start no D and less O
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Nice pressure on that 3rd down
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D is picking it up
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scoreless over 3 qtrs now
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please get us an offensive coordinator!
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Big plays are killing us.
I don’t know if we are capable of scoring. There has been no creativity in the offensive plays.
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May need another color guy as Hannon sounds sick watching this.
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Pitiful. The offense is inept and the defense is worse.
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We should have given up another TD.
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We should have given up another TD.
You spoke too soon
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4 qtr's 0 points
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We should have given up another TD.
You spoke too soon
I know.
I think all previous bottom MVFC teams are now all above us. This is so sad for YSU football.
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Time to give another QB some playing time
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You cannot win when you cannot block. The LOS needs to be fixed and it's not a quick one.
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5 qtr's 0 points
given up 65 points since our last score
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It is hard to believe that we scored 35 points in the 1st half of last game and didn’t score any in the 2nd half.
UNI scored 34 points in the first half and 0 points in the 2nd half.
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We scored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We are not very good.
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Yawn....
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We are not very good.
Yes, we are not very good, but are better than their 2nd string
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Agreed. We are not that good. I would love to see stats on the amount of time Crenshaw had to throw the ball because on my counts he may have had 2 seconds on each play. Can’t expect much from that. Gave up To many big plays on defense. UNI is legit and way ahead of us which we expected. It is going to be a long season and now is the time to season these kids for the rest of this year and going into the summer off season. I can’t blame the OC. He has little work with when it comes to the O line. They are weak, slow and are not ready for the level of play they are expected to play at. They got beat on every play. I am really shocked at the defense and how they have regressed since the spring season. That is an issue. To many big plays. The staff is young. The team is young and we have a long way to go but I still am a DP fan. He will get this going. Give him the time he allotted and let him go. We need to continue to support the coach and players. They play hard for the talent they have and what they have to work with. We are not that deep!!
Go Guins!!
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Agreed. We are not that good. I would love to see stats on the amount of time Crenshaw had to throw the ball because on my counts he may have had 2 seconds on each play. Can’t expect much from that. Gave up To many big plays on defense. UNI is legit and way ahead of us which we expected. It is going to be a long season and now is the time to season these kids for the rest of this year and going into the summer off season. I can’t blame the OC. He has little work with when it comes to the O line. They are weak, slow and are not ready for the level of play they are expected to play at. They got beat on every play. I am really shocked at the defense and how they have regressed since the spring season. That is an issue. To many big plays. The staff is young. The team is young and we have a long way to go but I still am a DP fan. He will get this going. Give him the time he allotted and let him go. We need to continue to support the coach and players. They play hard for the talent they have and what they have to work with. We are not that deep!!
Go Guins!!
We can thank Pellini for the personnel issues and the reduction of scholarships due to his NCAA violations. Our kids were physically smaller than nearly every one of Northern Iowa's players. It looks like a high school team playing a college team.
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Coming out of spring the coaches knew what we had. They should have brought in some transfers to help us through the rebuild. If you keep loosing it will be harder to recruit. No one wants to play for a loosing program.
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Watched the game again last night - the O-line got completely manhandled and our D-line were being pancaked consistently. UNI lineman were dominating our lines. Plain and simple. Can't win in the trenches you will not win games. Sad to see that happen.
Go Guins!
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Couple of quick thoughts?
What did Coach Wolford have when he recruited? Why could he find offensive lineman? I know the year he got released he said he was actively going to recruit lineman prospects from the upper Midwest. He to to compete in our league size and length was essential.
We all know he could recruit. So instead of blowing it up why didn’t we ante up to get better assistant coaches. Isn’t that the AD job to find$$$. If you think about it our line was pretty good after 5 years of recruiting by Wolford. In my opinion till we increase budget we will never be a top 3 team in this conference. Year after year we say the same things about the lines.
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Our AD is a bean counter by trade. Does not care about winning programs just bringing in money. Apparently the big money supporters keep donating so he is happy. Instead of building winning athletic programs he is more interested in adding sports like bowling and lacross & building facilities that remain mostly empty. This is the current situation so until there is a change at the top in personnel & priorities do not expect much improvement. We as low level fans do not have much impact on the revenue flow and really are insignificant to these people.
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Couple of quick thoughts?
What did Coach Wolford have when he recruited? Why could he find offensive lineman? I know the year he got released he said he was actively going to recruit lineman prospects from the upper Midwest. He to to compete in our league size and length was essential.
We all know he could recruit. So instead of blowing it up why didn’t we ante up to get better a$$istant coaches. Isn’t that the AD job to find$$$. If you think about it our line was pretty good after 5 years of recruiting by Wolford. In my opinion till we increase budget we will never be a top 3 team in this conference. Year after year we say the same things about the lines.
My thought exactly.
As I posted before, if Coach W had the $$ to get himself a good DC and #8 held on to the interception ( right in his hands and that would have put us into the playoff), Wofford could still be the HC today somewhere, if not at YSU.
There is no question in my mind that Wofford’s team had the talents to compete with the top teams in our conference.
On the other hand, Coach P did not even have the talents (his recruits) to compete with the bottom teams in our conference although he was given higer budget to bring in assistants. Amazingly, he brought back #8 to coach the D. That screwed us up big time. He even took #8 to the next job with him. We all know what happened to the LSU defense.
It is difficult to watch the games any more ( I have been watching the team since 1966, my Freshmen year at Youngstown University).
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Our AD is a bean counter by trade. Does not care about winning programs just bringing in money. Apparently the big money supporters keep donating so he is happy. Instead of building winning athletic programs he is more interested in adding sports like bowling and lacross & building facilities that remain mostly empty. This is the current situation so until there is a change at the top in personnel & priorities do not expect much improvement. We as low level fans do not have much impact on the revenue flow and really are insignificant to these people.
An accurate summary. Strollo does not even care about common season ticket holders who choose not to join his Penguin Club. I'm not going to complain about the big money contributors because they do a lot of good. But I wonder if we would be in better shape if they demanded excellence in exchange for their funds. Would fear of losing donations and not filling his precious loges spur Strollo to get serious about winning?
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I just don't want us to turn into a FCS version of the AKRON ZIPS.
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Here is what makes me sad.
We won 4 championships and of all the Dominant FCS schools we parlayed them for what?
A 4000 other side of the stadium.
Apply St. moved up
Georgia S moved up
Marshall moved up
Boise moved up
We haven’t done sh** in 20 years other than what 2 playoff appearances.
I have said this countless times we are in the wrong conference. We have no chance of ever winning it for years. If at all.
They will use us as a schedule filler for every Homecoming that’s what we have become. Being in a tough league means sh** if you don’t have the resources we are like the missouri and S Carolina of the SEC they ain’t winning sh**. We when we were dominant we should of made a move to a different league or hell we should have started one.
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I just don't want us to turn into a FCS version of the AKRON ZIPS.
Not any time soon. We are in the BIG/SEC conference of the FCS.
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What is the billionaire doing for the program who had to have DP as coach?
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Here is what makes me sad.
We won 4 championships and of all the Dominant FCS schools we parlayed them for what?
A 4000 other side of the stadium.
Apply St. moved up
Georgia S moved up
Marshall moved up
Boise moved up
We haven’t done sh** in 20 years other than what 2 playoff appearances.
I have said this countless times we are in the wrong conference. We have no chance of ever winning it for years. If at all.
They will use us as a schedule filler for every Homecoming that’s what we have become. Being in a tough league means sh** if you don’t have the resources we are like the missouri and S Carolina of the SEC they ain’t winning sh**. We when we were dominant we should of made a move to a different league or hell we should have started one.
I agree with most of what you say.
Look at the other teams we would play that have moved up, Nevada, Liberty, Western Kentucky and others. Heck I believe that several of the teams in our league that we cannot compete with, were D2 back in the day.
I am tired of hearing that we do not have the money, all these other teams figured out a way to do it, is there a rule saying that YSU cannot?
Only one place to look for answers.
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I just don't want us to turn into a FCS version of the AKRON ZIPS.
Bite your tongue
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I think people need to put perspective into this. UNI nearly best Iowa State who was highly ranked until beaten by Iowa. Both are FBS teams. And UNI is using the transfer portal combined with their developmental recruiting strategy and you've got a a contender.
Phillips doesn't have that yet. Who's coming here with our current line situation? It's those players that want to be a QB but were probably recruited into a different position.
Don't be upset. This is going to take time. At least they didn't quit. That is a huge improvement over Pelini team. Those kids play hard they were just outmanned. Also keep in mind that Doug Phillips as mentioned the need to improve the line play in order to win in the league. He said it has to be the foundation of the team. He knows.
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Here is what makes me sad.
We won 4 championships and of all the Dominant FCS schools we parlayed them for what?
A 4000 other side of the stadium.
Apply St. moved up
Georgia S moved up
Marshall moved up
Boise moved up
We haven’t done sh** in 20 years other than what 2 playoff appearances.
I have said this countless times we are in the wrong conference. We have no chance of ever winning it for years. If at all.
They will use us as a schedule filler for every Homecoming that’s what we have become. Being in a tough league means sh** if you don’t have the resources we are like the missouri and S Carolina of the SEC they ain’t winning sh**. We when we were dominant we should of made a move to a different league or hell we should have started one.
I agree with most of what you say.
Look at the other teams we would play that have moved up, Nevada, Liberty, Western Kentucky and others. Heck I believe that several of the teams in our league that we cannot compete with, were D2 back in the day.
I am tired of hearing that we do not have the money, all these other teams figured out a way to do it, is there a rule saying that YSU cannot?
Only one place to look for answers.
Well besides needing money, I'd also ask what the benefits of moving up are. Would that really increase game attendance or program interest? Maybe the regional rivalries would generate some interest but it's hard to tell. Look at NDSU, they could move into the big 12 today and compete, but they are content staying FCS.
I was too young for the glory days of the 90s but were the Kent St and Akron games a big contribution to program interest? If so, the move would make sense but if not I don't see why we would move, even if we had the money.
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I think people need to put perspective into this. UNI nearly best Iowa State who was highly ranked until beaten by Iowa. Both are FBS teams. And UNI is using the transfer portal combined with their developmental recruiting strategy and you've got a a contender.
Phillips doesn't have that yet. Who's coming here with our current line situation? It's those players that want to be a QB but were probably recruited into a different position.
Don't be upset. This is going to take time. At least they didn't quit. That is a huge improvement over Pelini team. Those kids play hard they were just outmanned. Also keep in mind that Doug Phillips as mentioned the need to improve the line play in order to win in the league. He said it has to be the foundation of the team. He knows.
Great point PP, UNI is a very good team, I think they've got a great shot at beating NDSU this week. Our offensive struggles this week were more a product of UNI than our offense. Iowa State was only able to put 16 points on them, and 9 of those points were field goals!
Now the Western Illinois game is an entirely different story...
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Here is what makes me sad.
We won 4 championships and of all the Dominant FCS schools we parlayed them for what?
A 4000 other side of the stadium.
Apply St. moved up
Georgia S moved up
Marshall moved up
Boise moved up
We haven’t done sh** in 20 years other than what 2 playoff appearances.
I have said this countless times we are in the wrong conference. We have no chance of ever winning it for years. If at all.
They will use us as a schedule filler for every Homecoming that’s what we have become. Being in a tough league means sh** if you don’t have the resources we are like the missouri and S Carolina of the SEC they ain’t winning sh**. We when we were dominant we should of made a move to a different league or hell we should have started one.
I agree with most of what you say.
Look at the other teams we would play that have moved up, Nevada, Liberty, Western Kentucky and others. Heck I believe that several of the teams in our league that we cannot compete with, were D2 back in the day.
I am tired of hearing that we do not have the money, all these other teams figured out a way to do it, is there a rule saying that YSU cannot?
Only one place to look for answers.
Well besides needing money, I'd also ask what the benefits of moving up are. Would that really increase game attendance or program interest? Maybe the regional rivalries would generate some interest but it's hard to tell. Look at NDSU, they could move into the big 12 today and compete, but they are content staying FCS.
I was too young for the glory days of the 90s but were the Kent St and Akron games a big contribution to program interest? If so, the move would make sense but if not I don't see why we would move, even if we had the money.
The Can't State and Zits games were of great local interest and we would beat them consistently. As a matter of fact, the last time we beat Can't State was at home and when we did, they said they would no longer play at YSU. I believe that's the game when our safety Dwight Smiley completely levels a Can't State player on one of the greatest hits I've ever seen live. It was unbelievable. Someone at YSU probably has that hit. It was remarkable. I think the receiver was knocked out cold and he did a helicopter flip (like a toothpick in the air) before landing on his back. Smiley came at him like a cruise missile. Anyone else remember that? All you heard was the packed crowd gasp and then silence because people were wondering if he would ever walk away from that hit. I bet you Trevor Parks has access to that film.
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The receiver was Eugene Baker who played in the NFL for the Facons. He actually hung onto the ball and it was a completed pass tough guy.
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The receiver was Eugene Baker who played in the NFL for the Facons. He actually hung onto the ball and it was a completed pa$$ tough guy.
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I was at that game. We completely outplayed KSU. Around the same period of time, we also creamed Ohio U. 30 to something. Didn’t the KSU’s QB go on to play in NFL as a receiver or RB or CB.
I don’t believe KSU refused to played future at at YSU. I thought couple things happened right after that season. First, there were some IA rules that prohibited 1A teams played at 1AA. Second, in ranking 1A teams, pollsters would not count victories over 1AA teams in calculating the national rankings , resulting in 1A teams not scheduling 1AA teams.
Eventually, NCAA allowed an additional game (12). The second restriction was then lifted a few years later.
Anyone remembers that?
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The receiver was Eugene Baker who played in the NFL for the Facons. He actually hung onto the ball and it was a completed pa$$ tough guy.
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I was at that game. We completely outplayed KSU. Around the same period of time, we also creamed Ohio U. 30 to something. Didn’t the KSU’s QB go on to play in NFL as a receiver or RB or CB.
I don’t believe KSU refused to played future at at YSU. I thought couple things happened right after that season. First, there were some IA rules that prohibited 1A teams played at 1AA. Second, in ranking 1A teams, pollsters would not count victories over 1AA teams in calculating the national rankings , resulting in 1A teams not scheduling 1AA teams.
Eventually, NCAA allowed an additional game (12). The second restriction was then lifted a few years later.
Anyone remembers that?
I don't recall the circumstances as to why they wouldn't play a home and home, but I remember them notifying us about not having those games anymore, AFTER the beat down.
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Well besides needing money, I'd also ask what the benefits of moving up are. Would that really increase game attendance or program interest? Maybe the regional rivalries would generate some interest but it's hard to tell. Look at NDSU, they could move into the big 12 today and compete, but they are content staying FCS.
I was too young for the glory days of the 90s but were the Kent St and Akron games a big contribution to program interest? If so, the move would make sense but if not I don't see why we would move, even if we had the money.
My interest in moving up is to play schools that would be more interesting to the fans, Most interest would be with OH and MI schools now in the MAC so if they do not drop down we should move up. And if they still do not want us in the MAC it would be easier to play them non league.
Dropping to D2 is not an option.
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I say three letters......OVC
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Ohio Valley Conference exploring possible additions for departed members
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I agree about the Ohio Valley conference.
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The receiver was Eugene Baker who played in the NFL for the Facons. He actually hung onto the ball and it was a completed pa$$ tough guy.
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I was at that game. We completely outplayed KSU. Around the same period of time, we also creamed Ohio U. 30 to something. Didn’t the KSU’s QB go on to play in NFL as a receiver or RB or CB.
I don’t believe KSU refused to played future at at YSU. I thought couple things happened right after that season. First, there were some IA rules that prohibited 1A teams played at 1AA. Second, in ranking 1A teams, pollsters would not count victories over 1AA teams in calculating the national rankings , resulting in 1A teams not scheduling 1AA teams.
Eventually, NCAA allowed an additional game (12). The second restriction was then lifted a few years later.
Anyone remembers that?
I don't recall the circumstances as to why they wouldn't play a home and home, but I remember them notifying us about not having those games anymore, AFTER the beat down.
After Tressel's teams beat the MAC (Bowling Green, Ohio, Kent, Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, later Akron and Buffalo,) the conference passed a rule forbidding members from playing IAA teams on the road. We referred to it at the time as the "Youngstown Rule." The conference hoped that YSU, deprived of the opportunity to ever host Akron or Kent, would stop playing MAC schools entirely and thus put a stop to their embarrassment. It worked.
Our last game against Kent was on the road during Heacock's tenure. Joshua Cribbs was the Kent quarterback. They beat us on a last minute field goal after we gave a brutally bad performance on offense behind the leadership of the forgettable quarterback, Aaron Marshall.
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I say three letters......OVC
No thank you. If the OVC survives, no sure thing, it would be the absolute weakest of the FCS scholarship conferences. We can't rebuild the program by playing junk.
What we need right now is for Murray State to join both the Missouri Valley Conference and the MVFC. They would be the twelve football member and the league could be split into divisions, six teams on each side of the Mississippi River.
Each year we would play everybody in our division: Indiana State, Illinois State, Western Illinois, Southern Illinois, and Murray State, plus three teams from the west. That would cut down the insane travel somewhat and make our rebuild somewhat more manageable.
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I say three letters......OVC
No thank you. If the OVC survives, no sure thing, it would be the absolute weakest of the FCS scholarship conferences. We can't rebuild the program by playing junk.
What we need right now is for Murray State to join both the Missouri Valley Conference and the MVFC. They would be the twelve football member and the league could be split into divisions, six teams on each side of the Mississippi River.
Each year we would play everybody in our division: Indiana State, Illinois State, Western Illinois, Southern Illinois, and Murray State, plus three teams from the west. That would cut down the insane travel somewhat and make our rebuild somewhat more manageable.
I guess that would help a little. basically would eliminate the two year bye against teams that would be in our division. Still would need a better long term solution.
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I thought that Murray State just inked a deal with the Horizon League?