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Ok. Let’s hear it. What do we know other than the press release.
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Article on the internet on the violation:
https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/bo-pelini-left-youngstown-state-with-ncaa-recruiting-violations/article_adf438e4-a1f2-11eb-8d09-ab50108a11eb.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=user-share
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Did someone turn us in or did we self -report the violations. The penalties seem pretty harsh. A new low for us.
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Well that sucks bigtime, so who is in charge of the compliance office? Sounds like they did not follow up.
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Did someone turn us in or did we self -report the violations. The penalties seem pretty harsh. A new low for us.
We found out when LSU requested paperwork.
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WOW. Wonderful news... So, it seems like the compliance department needs a bit of a shakeup too.
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At many schools, an athletic director who lost control over the primary sport would be fired. We will probably give our athletic director a raise.
In no way do I excuse or condone our behavior, but the NCAA changed the nature of college athletics with their ill-conceived new transfer rules. Tampering will become a way of life. Schools that are victimized by talent raids will have to conduct their own raids just to survive.
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Lol thanks Bo. What a clown...
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It was pre-covid when the athletic department was tripping over each other because of too much staff. No excuses. Wick is right the AD will likely get a raise.
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It actually sounds more like a Bo issue than an AD issue. According to the article he was informed of being out of compliance
"Pelini is not named in the NCAA's report, but he's identified as the former head coach who was hired by another school in January 2020. When LSU hired Pelini, it contacted Youngstown State to request Pelini's Coaches Certification (Recruiting) Test score, but YSU discovered that Pelini and two a$$istants hadn't taken the annual test.
Pelini had been notified by YSU's compliance office in the summer of 2019 that he hadn't taken the test, but he never took it and continued to recruit anyway. This is a violation of NCAA recruiting rules and resulted in impermissible contact with 16 prospects and impermissible evaluations of two more. "
I wonder if LSU could have any penalties for hiring a coach who was actively violating recruitment compliance
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The AD is accountable as he over sees the department. Hence, the title Athletic Director.
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I wonder if LSU could have any penalties for hiring a coach who was actively violating recruitment compliance
This is an interesting observation.
So far, Bo’s violations occurred when he was at YSU.
However, we don’t know if he has corrected his mistakes before working at LSU or whether LSU has neither self reported nor investigated by NCAA up to this point.
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Agree with much of what all of you say. I point the finger at Bo, but Strollo is the CEO of the athletic department. He was afraid of Bo, and would not hold Bo accountable. Bo looked at this job as a hobby and so did his staff. Lazy and it shows.
As for big picture with Strollo, he is average at best.
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Agree with much of what all of you say. I point the finger at Bo, but Strollo is the CEO of the athletic department. He was afraid of Bo, and would not hold Bo accountable. Bo looked at this job as a hobby and so did his staff. Lazy and it shows.
As for big picture with Strollo, he is average at best.
Average? What do you see that would elevate him to average? If the boss is afraid of the employee, how is the boss "average". I see him as several steps below average.
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Two things, first this HURTS really bad when we NEED to have better recruiting and this violation has just FURTHER hurt our recruiting potential for the next two years.
Second, IDK about YSU but at the company I work for the compliance departments are brutal as is our management on ensuring we are in compliance. If I'm 3 months away from hitting a deadline that I have to have some yearly training done by to be in compliance I'm getting yelled at. If I fail to complete the training before the deadline it will have consequences for performance review and raise and could lead to further discipline or termination, but I know damn well the DAY BEFORE I would be non-compliant I would get pulled from my duties and put in a room to finish the test. Upon completion there would be someone requiring to see the results to confirm I passed and then I would likely have a performance review on the spot with my immediate supervisor.
ALL that is said to say, sending a reminder that he didn't take the test is not enough. They needed to go into enforcement and ensure he wasn't recruiting if he wasn't compliant. That is literally part of the compliance department's responsibility (yes it sucks having to babysit people but this is usually not a big deal).
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One can criticize the compliance department for not making sure Pelini took the tests, but please, Pelini had no sense of responsibility beyond himself since he arrived on campus. He was surly, resented community events, was lazy about recruiting, behaved badly during games, so much so that a "pelini rule" was added. He never accepted that he reported to anyone. So he avoided what seemed to him trivial and unnecessary and suffers no consequence. I would bet that he is the only coach on staff who didnt take the test. Then he leaves as soon as his Nebraska pay ends. What a guy!
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I believe that there were 2 other coaches that did not do the test.
Bo certainly was unique, trying to be polite here, but regardless who the coach is it falls to the compliance folks to do their job. And it ultimately falls on the AD to make sure that everyone in the department does their job.
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Two things, first this HURTS really bad when we NEED to have better recruiting and this violation has just FURTHER hurt our recruiting potential for the next two years.
Second, IDK about YSU but at the company I work for the compliance departments are brutal as is our management on ensuring we are in compliance. If I'm 3 months away from hitting a deadline that I have to have some yearly training done by to be in compliance I'm getting yelled at. If I fail to complete the training before the deadline it will have consequences for performance review and raise and could lead to further discipline or termination, but I know damn well the DAY BEFORE I would be non-compliant I would get pulled from my duties and put in a room to finish the test. Upon completion there would be someone requiring to see the results to confirm I pa$$ed and then I would likely have a performance review on the spot with my immediate supervisor.
ALL that is said to say, sending a reminder that he didn't take the test is not enough. They needed to go into enforcement and ensure he wasn't recruiting if he wasn't compliant. That is literally part of the compliance department's responsibility (yes it sucks having to babysit people but this is usually not a big deal).
Spot on. It appears that no person in the athletic departement has any real managment experience. His contract shold have had a clause that allowed YSU to fine him (not pay pay him. That is how you get complaince.....through thier pay. That should apply to all on his staff. How much do you want to bet that this was NOT in his contract.
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Two things, first this HURTS really bad when we NEED to have better recruiting and this violation has just FURTHER hurt our recruiting potential for the next two years.
Second, IDK about YSU but at the company I work for the compliance departments are brutal as is our management on ensuring we are in compliance. If I'm 3 months away from hitting a deadline that I have to have some yearly training done by to be in compliance I'm getting yelled at. If I fail to complete the training before the deadline it will have consequences for performance review and raise and could lead to further discipline or termination, but I know damn well the DAY BEFORE I would be non-compliant I would get pulled from my duties and put in a room to finish the test. Upon completion there would be someone requiring to see the results to confirm I pa$$ed and then I would likely have a performance review on the spot with my immediate supervisor.
ALL that is said to say, sending a reminder that he didn't take the test is not enough. They needed to go into enforcement and ensure he wasn't recruiting if he wasn't compliant. That is literally part of the compliance department's responsibility (yes it sucks having to babysit people but this is usually not a big deal).
Spot on. It appears that no person in the athletic departement has any real managment experience. His contract shold have had a clause that allowed YSU to fine him (not pay pay him. That is how you get complaince.....through thier pay. That should apply to all on his staff. How much do you want to bet that this was NOT in his contract.
About withholding pay, I agree with you in principle but with BP I do not think that it would work in reality. The money he got from YSU was a drop in the bucket. Now with the assistants withholding pay would get their attention.
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What a profoundly mismanaged program.
When you tolerate a HC recruiting an internationally infamous convicted gang rapist, you must expect additional problems. The AD and HC should have been terminated immediately. In exchange for sacrificing the University’s reputation, you didn’t even get a winning program (The natty was with Wolf recruits).
Winning and ethics go hand in hand.
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Hard to say that Nation. No One gave more "second chances" than coach Tressel. He was lauded for it. This is not to say that Bo was not a jerk.
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Pelini's coaching career is over