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Title: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 08, 2020, 06:42:58 PM
AP Source: Ivy League calls off fall sports due to outbreak

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/ap-source-ivy-league-calls-off-fall-sports-due-to-outbreak/



Presidents’ Athletic Conference moving to intra-conference schedule for fall 2020 seasons

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/presidents-athletic-conference-moving-to-intra-conference-schedule-for-fall-2020-seasons/
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 08, 2020, 06:47:36 PM
What will the Ivy League's fall sports decision mean for college football?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29425334/what-ivy-league-fall-sports-decision-mean-college-football
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 09, 2020, 01:04:39 PM
DeWine says that the Ivy decision will not impact his decision for Ohio. At this point, college football is still "likely", but who will be at the games is still uncertain.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: YSU1 on July 09, 2020, 01:16:10 PM
I am not sure anything is certain
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 09, 2020, 04:10:27 PM
watch DeWine's Virus update replay today. I am told he says the new money for education can be used for athletics.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 09, 2020, 08:05:07 PM
watch DeWine's Virus update replay today. I am told he says the new money for education can be used for athletics.

I love sports as much as anyone but never at the expense of education.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 10, 2020, 06:50:14 AM
Well it looks like conference only schedule
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 10, 2020, 07:24:07 AM
More detail please
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 10, 2020, 07:44:52 AM
Big Ten to play only conference games this fall

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/big-ten-to-play-only-conference-games-this-fall/

Ohio State pauses voluntary workouts following latest COVID-19 testing

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/ohio-state-pauses-voluntary-workouts-following-latest-covid-19-testing/
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 10, 2020, 07:51:26 AM
Not trending in the right direction.



The Latest: California CCAA moving all sports to the spring

https://www.wfmj.com/story/42350865/the-latest-california-ccaa-moving-all-sports-to-the-spring
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 10, 2020, 12:28:20 PM
I see us going the same as the Big-10 and Pac-10, with conference only, especially since most Mountain schools play Pac-10 & they in turn also play MVFC schools. However for YSU, I see no reason to cancel Akron, unless the MAC makes a move. Duquesne is a short drive from Pittsburgh, so that should go as well. EKU is out
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 10, 2020, 04:28:49 PM
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/07/09/big-ten-football-schedule-mid-american-conference-coronavirus/5408707002/

The MAC plans to move forward as scheduled by competing in as many non-conference games as possible. What leaves Steinbrecher scratching his head, however, is the timeline of the Big Ten's choice that puts his member schools further in the hole. "Our interest was in playing a full schedule," Steinbrecher said.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: ysuhoops24 on July 10, 2020, 05:06:11 PM
I just don't see the Penguins taking the field in 2020.  Not trying to be negative but I'm being a realist. 
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on July 13, 2020, 09:30:34 AM
I just don't see the Penguins taking the field in 2020.  Not trying to be negative but I'm being a realist.
Without a widely available vaccine by "game time" I would tend to agree.  IF we have a vaccine, they LET'S GO GUINS!
I don't get the "conference only" concept.  It is like you can't mingle with strangers, but it is OK to mingle with friends??!?!  Like friends can't carry the virus?  Playing Northern Iowa is OK, but paying Iowa State would be too dangerous?!?!?  WTF is anybody thinking about with this?!?!?1
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 13, 2020, 09:52:14 AM
I just don't see the Penguins taking the field in 2020.  Not trying to be negative but I'm being a realist.
Without a widely available vaccine by "game time" I would tend to agree.  IF we have a vaccine, they LET'S GO GUINS!
I don't get the "conference only" concept.  It is like you can't mingle with strangers, but it is OK to mingle with friends??!?!  Like friends can't carry the virus?  Playing Northern Iowa is OK, but paying Iowa State would be too dangerous?!?!?  WTF is anybody thinking about with this?!?!?1

I agree with the conference only thinking, makes no sense to me. It's like they feel that they have to do something, but they do not have the balls to pull the plug. Can't imagine the pressure the folks in charge are getting from all sides.

a$$uming that a vaccine is ready by then I like the idea of moving games to the spring. Of course scheduling lodging, transportation and such would be a nightmare.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: Kandrase on July 13, 2020, 01:09:50 PM
I just don't see the Penguins taking the field in 2020.  Not trying to be negative but I'm being a realist.
Without a widely available vaccine by "game time" I would tend to agree.  IF we have a vaccine, they LET'S GO GUINS!
I don't get the "conference only" concept.  It is like you can't mingle with strangers, but it is OK to mingle with friends??!?!  Like friends can't carry the virus?  Playing Northern Iowa is OK, but paying Iowa State would be too dangerous?!?!?  WTF is anybody thinking about with this?!?!?1

I believe the rationale for conference only schedule is that conference members can collectively agree on safety protocols, if the Big ten collectively agrees on sideline masks and twice a week testing for example , they’ll feel comfortable playing teams they know have the same focus on safety but if they play OOC they won’t know and may not agree with how those other teams are handling things

Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: The YO Show on July 13, 2020, 03:36:47 PM
It may just be me, but it doesn't matter if all are "following the same protocols" the safety provided by doing that is minimal to say the least. In the grand scheme of things, over the course of a season it will minimally prevent spread of COVID19. I wish more legitimate and concrete moves were being made, but doing something is better than nothing I suppose.

I really doubt though that this will prevent any outbreaks in Big10 schools. Hell schools have spread and no games are being played, just practice! More honest idea would be to move the season to the spring as sad as that is.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on July 14, 2020, 08:38:12 AM
I just don't see the Penguins taking the field in 2020.  Not trying to be negative but I'm being a realist.
Without a widely available vaccine by "game time" I would tend to agree.  IF we have a vaccine, they LET'S GO GUINS!
I don't get the "conference only" concept.  It is like you can't mingle with strangers, but it is OK to mingle with friends??!?!  Like friends can't carry the virus?  Playing Northern Iowa is OK, but paying Iowa State would be too dangerous?!?!?  WTF is anybody thinking about with this?!?!?1

I believe the rationale for conference only schedule is that conference members can collectively agree on safety protocols, if the Big ten collectively agrees on sideline masks and twice a week testing for example , they’ll feel comfortable playing teams they know have the same focus on safety but if they play OOC they won’t know and may not agree with how those other teams are handling things
If you don't agree, you don't play.  The "testing twice a week" comment highlights just how ineffective a test is.  You don't know from day to day if you have been infected and can spreed the virus. I repeat my position, if it is safe to play somebody from in the conference, then it can be equally safe to play somebody from outside the conference.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: Double ET on July 14, 2020, 01:09:53 PM
I fail to see how playing the North and South Dakota, over a thousand miles away would be safer than playing Akron 50 miles away
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 14, 2020, 01:21:17 PM
I do not think it is safety, I agree that it is common protocols. Also, most conference games do not begin until October. I just adds another 4-6 weeks
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on July 14, 2020, 04:07:10 PM
I fail to see how playing the North and South Dakota, over a thousand miles away would be safer than playing Akron 50 miles away
I get what you are saying, but this may not be the best example.  I'd much rather play in SD, ND than Akron.  I think there are more deaths in Akron than either of the STATES of ND, and SD. 
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on July 14, 2020, 04:09:19 PM
I do not think it is safety, I agree that it is common protocols. Also, most conference games do not begin until October. I just adds another 4-6 weeks
Who cares a twit about common protocols if they aren't focused on safety?  Sometimes you lose me.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 14, 2020, 09:28:31 PM
College football season in the spring? Support for the concept is growing

The 2020 college football season is already certain to be played amid unprecedented circumstances. Would shifting the entire season to the spring be a bridge too far for CFB stakeholders?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29456649/a-spring-2021-college-football-season-coronavirus-impacted-schedule-look-like
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 15, 2020, 08:26:49 AM
Yes it would. Might as well cancel it. I live in Columbus. All fans plan vacations and in other ways schedule their lives around it. Then again, isn't cancellation what the media wants anyways?
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: Penguin Nick on July 15, 2020, 09:03:16 AM
I could see the season starting in the fall, than after a huge spike in infections, being canceled and then postponed till spring.  Your record from the fall will be carried over to the spring (and that's if a vaccine is discovered).
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 15, 2020, 10:33:03 AM
Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference suspends sports in 2020, eyeing spring football

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/pennsylvania-state-athletic-conference-suspends-sports-in-2020-eyeing-spring-football/
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 15, 2020, 11:12:37 AM
Yes it would. Might as well cancel it. I live in Columbus. All fans plan vacations and in other ways schedule their lives around it. Then again, isn't cancellation what the media wants anyways?

Someone should tell them that there is more to life than football!
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: Wick250 on July 16, 2020, 05:23:35 PM
The Horizon League today canceled competition in all sports, conference and non-conference, until at least October 1. It is becoming more obvious that the next YSU sporting event will take place in 2021.  Whether that will be in January or the next fall remains to be seen.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 16, 2020, 07:21:26 PM
Ironic that football would be 2 days later!!!1

Mid-American Conference delays the start of fall sports
SPORTS
The MAC has postponed the start of fall sports until Sept. 3

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/mid-american-conference-delays-the-start-of-fall-sports/
Title: Re: And so it begins - MVFC
Post by: Double ET on July 17, 2020, 05:41:44 AM
From today’s Tribune/Vindy:

MVFC still on course

Strollo: YSU football, others seeking full season in 2020
LOCAL SPORTS
JUL 17, 2020

JOHN VARGO
Sports Reporter
jvargo@tribtoday.com
 
 
The Patriot League and Ivy League have canceled fall sports.


On Thursday, Fox Sports reporter Bruce Feldman said the Colonial Athletic a$$ociation will announce today the league will not be playing football this fall with other CAA teams because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Nicole Auerbach of The Athletic said there are no CAA league games, but anyone in the conference wanting to play an independent schedule can do so.

The CAA includes 2016 FCS champion James Madison, the national runner-up in 2017 and ’19 to North Dakota State University.

So far, NDSU and the other Missouri Valley Football Conference schools have not made a decision about their fall future. Youngstown State University is in the MVFC.


YSU Executive Director of Athletics Ron Strollo said he doesn’t expect a decision one way or another on the MVAC teams to be in the near future.

“I think we, as a group, are very committed to having a full season right now,” Strollo said. “We’ll continue to evaluate the national landscape and the situation with the virus as these weeks pa$$ by.”

YSU is scheduled to start the season Sept. 5 at Akron before its two non-conference games, Sept. 12 vs. Duquesne and Sept. 19 vs. Eastern Kentucky. Ironically, the Penguins first three games are against opponents closer than any MVFC opponent, which would be Indiana State — six-and-a-half hours away in Terre Haute, Indiana.

Despite the distance, Strollo said the MVFC is still interested in playing a full season, but knows things change daily in the world of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“I don’t think we’re going to rush to a decision,” Strollo said. “If we can play all of our games, that would be great. If we have to play conference games, that would be the next step. We’re not to the point where we’re ready to make those decisions.”
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 17, 2020, 07:01:28 AM
Yes it would. Might as well cancel it. I live in Columbus. All fans plan vacations and in other ways schedule their lives around it. Then again, isn't cancellation what the media wants anyways?

Someone should tell them that there is more to life than football!

It is precisely for this reason that you might as well cancel. Football has a natural rhythm. Spring is for spring practice and a chance to see the new recruits. A spring game. Do you realize that OSU sells out the spring game with tickets going up in price every year? 105k x $30 is over $3mil in revenue lost. Fall is for the season, it is the culmination of all the work that begins in spring. So have it or don't.  I mean there is a reason that the HL chose October first for their date to begin.

$$$ MBB money games and tournaments
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on July 17, 2020, 09:00:41 AM
Yes it would. Might as well cancel it. I live in Columbus. All fans plan vacations and in other ways schedule their lives around it. Then again, isn't cancellation what the media wants anyways?

Someone should tell them that there is more to life than football!

It is precisely for this reason that you might as well cancel. Football has a natural rhythm. Spring is for spring practice and a chance to see the new recruits. A spring game. Do you realize that OSU sells out the spring game with tickets going up in price every year? 105k x $30 is over $3mil in revenue lost. Fall is for the season, it is the culmination of all the work that begins in spring. So have it or don't.  I mean there is a reason that the HL chose October first for their date to begin.

$$$ MBB money games and tournaments
to be fair and accurate here, some schools don't play a spring game at all and OSU has never even come close to selling out the spring game and ticket prices were $15 for reserved and $5 general admission. Revenue more like 600K than 3M
HOWEVER, the point is, you can't have 2 seasons in one year, that's ridiculous so 1AA is right have football in 2020 or not, but not in the spring.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 17, 2020, 09:26:41 AM
Also, consider this; MBB lost their season last year and I see no possible way that the NCAA, along with conferences, are going to allow this to happen again. Midnight Madness this year is Tuesday October 12th. (I could be off a couple of days either way on this). So do you think fans are going to stand for the NCAA to play MBB and NOT football when playing at the same time? Many football conference seasons have just begun that same weekend. This is why all the talk about In-Conference only. Schools and Conferences know that sports will return by this time.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on July 20, 2020, 09:40:52 AM
Also, consider this; MBB lost their season last year and I see no possible way that the NCAA, along with conferences, are going to allow this to happen again. Midnight Madness this year is Tuesday October 12th. (I could be off a couple of days either way on this). So do you think fans are going to stand for the NCAA to play MBB and NOT football when playing at the same time? Many football conference seasons have just begun that same weekend. This is why all the talk about In-Conference only. Schools and Conferences know that sports will return by this time.
Nobody has made a credible argument on this "conference only" schedule thing.  This makes NO sense to me.  Without the non-conference schedule MBB will need an additional ton of cash. 1AA, you are the guy on cash losses, how are your supporting conference only play?
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 20, 2020, 05:50:20 PM
Also, consider this; MBB lost their season last year and I see no possible way that the NCAA, along with conferences, are going to allow this to happen again. Midnight Madness this year is Tuesday October 12th. (I could be off a couple of days either way on this). So do you think fans are going to stand for the NCAA to play MBB and NOT football when playing at the same time? Many football conference seasons have just begun that same weekend. This is why all the talk about In-Conference only. Schools and Conferences know that sports will return by this time.
Nobody has made a credible argument on this "conference only" schedule thing.  This makes NO sense to me.  Without the non-conference schedule MBB will need an additional ton of cash. 1AA, you are the guy on cash losses, how are your supporting conference only play?

I think you need conference play to establish the post-season. Other than that, it starts a month later and lets people think you put some thought into it.  :)
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: YSU1 on July 21, 2020, 09:41:31 AM
if we have no non conference games where we get our wins
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: Kandrase on July 21, 2020, 10:19:04 AM
Also, consider this; MBB lost their season last year and I see no possible way that the NCAA, along with conferences, are going to allow this to happen again. Midnight Madness this year is Tuesday October 12th. (I could be off a couple of days either way on this). So do you think fans are going to stand for the NCAA to play MBB and NOT football when playing at the same time? Many football conference seasons have just begun that same weekend. This is why all the talk about In-Conference only. Schools and Conferences know that sports will return by this time.
Nobody has made a credible argument on this "conference only" schedule thing.  This makes NO sense to me.  Without the non-conference schedule MBB will need an additional ton of cash. 1AA, you are the guy on cash losses, how are your supporting conference only play?

I believe the rationale behind conference only is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a conference.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on July 21, 2020, 10:34:46 AM
"I believe the rationale behind conference only is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a conference."

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

I turned on the Indians game last night and Lindor was playing shortstop wearing a mask!  Who the hell is going to infect him at shortstop!?!?!?  At the peak, there were some 40,000,000 people out of work due to COVID-19  Well, with 164,000,000 workers in Feb. 2020 that means some 75% of the workforce or some 120,000,000 Americans and immigrants continued to work so that we could eat, drive, run our air conditioners etc. every day.  Some poor slob is getting $12 an hour to disinfect the toilet seats in Progressive Field so Lindor can sh** in comfort and safety.  I am totally fed up with the coddled prima donna athletes in the country.   Get to work and do your job, just like the rest of us!
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: Kandrase on July 21, 2020, 11:43:38 AM
"I believe the rationale behind conference only is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a conference."

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

I turned on the Indians game last night and Lindor was playing shortstop wearing a mask!  Who the hell is going to infect him at shortstop!?!?!?  At the peak, there were some 40,000,000 people out of work due to COVID-19  Well, with 164,000,000 workers in Feb. 2020 that means some 75% of the workforce or some 120,000,000 Americans and immigrants continued to work so that we could eat, drive, run our air conditioners etc. every day.  Some poor slob is getting $12 an hour to disinfect the toilet seats in Progressive Field so Lindor can sh** in comfort and safety.  I am totally fed up with the coddled prima donna athletes in the country.   Get to work and do your job, just like the rest of us!

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

So if a team has 3 OOC games they are supposed to change their safety protocols 3 times depending on who they are playing? What about season long precautions like player quarantines, practice restriction or testing. What if the  OOC game team you’re playing this week doesn’t agree with the protocols your team used in your first OOC game and is worried your team could infect their players.

It’s just more practical to come up with a set of protocols and rules as a conference.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: The YO Show on July 21, 2020, 06:36:29 PM
"I believe the rationale behind conference only is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a conference."

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

I turned on the Indians game last night and Lindor was playing shortstop wearing a mask!  Who the hell is going to infect him at shortstop!?!?!?  At the peak, there were some 40,000,000 people out of work due to COVID-19  Well, with 164,000,000 workers in Feb. 2020 that means some 75% of the workforce or some 120,000,000 Americans and immigrants continued to work so that we could eat, drive, run our air conditioners etc. every day.  Some poor slob is getting $12 an hour to disinfect the toilet seats in Progressive Field so Lindor can sh** in comfort and safety.  I am totally fed up with the coddled prima donna athletes in the country.   Get to work and do your job, just like the rest of us!

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

So if a team has 3 OOC games they are supposed to change their safety protocols 3 times depending on who they are playing? What about season long precautions like player quarantines, practice restriction or testing. What if the  OOC game team you’re playing this week doesn’t agree with the protocols your team used in your first OOC game and is worried your team could infect their players.

It’s just more practical to come up with a set of protocols and rules as a conference.

While I understand your point Kandrase, it seems rather ridiculous to suggest such small measures, while well intentioned, will actually achieve much in the way of safer conditions. There is no way there should be a season this year. Doubt we will have one.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: Kandrase on July 21, 2020, 07:20:03 PM
"I believe the rationale behind conference only is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a conference."

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

I turned on the Indians game last night and Lindor was playing shortstop wearing a mask!  Who the hell is going to infect him at shortstop!?!?!?  At the peak, there were some 40,000,000 people out of work due to COVID-19  Well, with 164,000,000 workers in Feb. 2020 that means some 75% of the workforce or some 120,000,000 Americans and immigrants continued to work so that we could eat, drive, run our air conditioners etc. every day.  Some poor slob is getting $12 an hour to disinfect the toilet seats in Progressive Field so Lindor can sh** in comfort and safety.  I am totally fed up with the coddled prima donna athletes in the country.   Get to work and do your job, just like the rest of us!

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

So if a team has 3 OOC games they are supposed to change their safety protocols 3 times depending on who they are playing? What about season long precautions like player quarantines, practice restriction or testing. What if the  OOC game team you’re playing this week doesn’t agree with the protocols your team used in your first OOC game and is worried your team could infect their players.

It’s just more practical to come up with a set of protocols and rules as a conference.

While I understand your point Kandrase, it seems rather ridiculous to suggest such small measures, while well intentioned, will actually achieve much in the way of safer conditions. There is no way there should be a season this year. Doubt we will have one.

Oh yeah, I’m not saying I agree it’ll be an effective course of action, I’m just trying to explain that the conference only idea does in fact have some type of logic behind it.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: The YO Show on July 21, 2020, 08:28:06 PM
"I believe the rationale behind conference only is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a conference."

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

I turned on the Indians game last night and Lindor was playing shortstop wearing a mask!  Who the hell is going to infect him at shortstop!?!?!?  At the peak, there were some 40,000,000 people out of work due to COVID-19  Well, with 164,000,000 workers in Feb. 2020 that means some 75% of the workforce or some 120,000,000 Americans and immigrants continued to work so that we could eat, drive, run our air conditioners etc. every day.  Some poor slob is getting $12 an hour to disinfect the toilet seats in Progressive Field so Lindor can sh** in comfort and safety.  I am totally fed up with the coddled prima donna athletes in the country.   Get to work and do your job, just like the rest of us!

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

So if a team has 3 OOC games they are supposed to change their safety protocols 3 times depending on who they are playing? What about season long precautions like player quarantines, practice restriction or testing. What if the  OOC game team you’re playing this week doesn’t agree with the protocols your team used in your first OOC game and is worried your team could infect their players.

It’s just more practical to come up with a set of protocols and rules as a conference.

While I understand your point Kandrase, it seems rather ridiculous to suggest such small measures, while well intentioned, will actually achieve much in the way of safer conditions. There is no way there should be a season this year. Doubt we will have one.

Oh yeah, I’m not saying I agree it’ll be an effective course of action, I’m just trying to explain that the conference only idea does in fact have some type of logic behind it.

Understood. Sorry I realize I may have come across as somewhat pointed, that wasn't the intention.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on July 22, 2020, 08:26:56 AM
"I believe the rationale behind conference only is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a conference."

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

I turned on the Indians game last night and Lindor was playing shortstop wearing a mask!  Who the hell is going to infect him at shortstop!?!?!?  At the peak, there were some 40,000,000 people out of work due to COVID-19  Well, with 164,000,000 workers in Feb. 2020 that means some 75% of the workforce or some 120,000,000 Americans and immigrants continued to work so that we could eat, drive, run our air conditioners etc. every day.  Some poor slob is getting $12 an hour to disinfect the toilet seats in Progressive Field so Lindor can sh** in comfort and safety.  I am totally fed up with the coddled prima donna athletes in the country.   Get to work and do your job, just like the rest of us!

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

So if a team has 3 OOC games they are supposed to change their safety protocols 3 times depending on who they are playing? What about season long precautions like player quarantines, practice restriction or testing. What if the  OOC game team you’re playing this week doesn’t agree with the protocols your team used in your first OOC game and is worried your team could infect their players.

It’s just more practical to come up with a set of protocols and rules as a conference.
OR is it just more practical to come up with a set of protocols and rules as the NCAA?  You're out there with no mask bumping against a sweating yelling (spitting) unmasked body of some strange kid from Detroit for 40 minutes, do you actually think some conference only rule about how you greet opponent after the game matters to COVID-19?  This is all pretty silly.  If we don't have a very effective widely available treatment by the end of August they won't be any games.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 22, 2020, 11:54:50 AM
"I believe the rationale behind conference only is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a conference."

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

I turned on the Indians game last night and Lindor was playing shortstop wearing a mask!  Who the hell is going to infect him at shortstop!?!?!?  At the peak, there were some 40,000,000 people out of work due to COVID-19  Well, with 164,000,000 workers in Feb. 2020 that means some 75% of the workforce or some 120,000,000 Americans and immigrants continued to work so that we could eat, drive, run our air conditioners etc. every day.  Some poor slob is getting $12 an hour to disinfect the toilet seats in Progressive Field so Lindor can sh** in comfort and safety.  I am totally fed up with the coddled prima donna athletes in the country.   Get to work and do your job, just like the rest of us!

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

So if a team has 3 OOC games they are supposed to change their safety protocols 3 times depending on who they are playing? What about season long precautions like player quarantines, practice restriction or testing. What if the  OOC game team you’re playing this week doesn’t agree with the protocols your team used in your first OOC game and is worried your team could infect their players.

It’s just more practical to come up with a set of protocols and rules as a conference.
OR is it just more practical to come up with a set of protocols and rules as the NCAA?  You're out there with no mask bumping against a sweating yelling (spitting) unmasked body of some strange kid from Detroit for 40 minutes, do you actually think some conference only rule about how you greet opponent after the game matters to COVID-19?  This is all pretty silly.  If we don't have a very effective widely available treatment by the end of August they won't be any games.

NCAA should be dictating protocol over all member schools regardless of division or conference.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: The YO Show on July 22, 2020, 02:55:39 PM
"I believe the rationale behind conference only is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a conference."

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

I turned on the Indians game last night and Lindor was playing shortstop wearing a mask!  Who the hell is going to infect him at shortstop!?!?!?  At the peak, there were some 40,000,000 people out of work due to COVID-19  Well, with 164,000,000 workers in Feb. 2020 that means some 75% of the workforce or some 120,000,000 Americans and immigrants continued to work so that we could eat, drive, run our air conditioners etc. every day.  Some poor slob is getting $12 an hour to disinfect the toilet seats in Progressive Field so Lindor can sh** in comfort and safety.  I am totally fed up with the coddled prima donna athletes in the country.   Get to work and do your job, just like the rest of us!

OR, "I believe the rationale behind non-conference play is that you can agree on and adopt common safety / testing protocols as a non-conference opponent."

So if a team has 3 OOC games they are supposed to change their safety protocols 3 times depending on who they are playing? What about season long precautions like player quarantines, practice restriction or testing. What if the  OOC game team you’re playing this week doesn’t agree with the protocols your team used in your first OOC game and is worried your team could infect their players.

It’s just more practical to come up with a set of protocols and rules as a conference.
OR is it just more practical to come up with a set of protocols and rules as the NCAA?  You're out there with no mask bumping against a sweating yelling (spitting) unmasked body of some strange kid from Detroit for 40 minutes, do you actually think some conference only rule about how you greet opponent after the game matters to COVID-19?  This is all pretty silly.  If we don't have a very effective widely available treatment by the end of August they won't be any games.

NCAA should be dictating protocol over all member schools regardless of division or conference.

Agreed, rather disappointed by the lack of leadership here by the NCAA.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 22, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick wants delayed start, 8-10 games

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29512748/notre-dame-ad-jack-swarbrick-wants-delayed-start-8-10-games
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 22, 2020, 03:25:49 PM
New Mexico governor asks colleges to postpone fall sports

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29516340/new-mexico-governor-asks-colleges-postpone-fall-sports


Toledo football coach Jason Candle tests positive for coronavirus, to self-isolate

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29517587/toledo-football-coach-jason-candle-tests-positive-coronavirus-self-isolate
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: The YO Show on July 22, 2020, 09:41:27 PM
Big Ten task force on infectious disease chair Dr. Chris Kratochvil gives less than a 15% chance for a single game to be played by a Big Ten school this year.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on July 23, 2020, 08:36:36 AM
Big Ten task force on infectious disease chair Dr. Chris Kratochvil gives less than a 15% chance for a single game to be played by a Big Ten school this year.
This reads like the CHAIR of the Big10 infectious disease committee is running a betting pool?!?!?!?!?! 
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on July 23, 2020, 11:59:39 AM
The NCAA will not dictate anything. This is out of their jurisdiction and a "nice big lawsuit" would show this. The NCAA almost went away in football (Big-6 conference football) once in recent years and they do not want this to happen again. It would be simple for the NCAA to make arrangements if their was a national policy; but these are state's issues, which I am happy about. I see stands full of season ticket holders at a minimum. This way people do not lose their chance to renew with existing seats and I would recommend that all of you pay for your tickets. If not for this, then at least for the sake of next year going forward.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 23, 2020, 03:59:03 PM
The NCAA will not dictate anything. This is out of their jurisdiction and a "nice big lawsuit" would show this. The NCAA almost went away in football (Big-6 conference football) once in recent years and they do not want this to happen again. It would be simple for the NCAA to make arrangements if their was a national policy; but these are state's issues, which I am happy about. I see stands full of season ticket holders at a minimum. This way people do not lose their chance to renew with existing seats and I would recommend that all of you pay for your tickets. If not for this, then at least for the sake of next year going forward.

So in a nutshell the NCAA is basically a joke and dictated to by the BIG BOYS.

I am a long time season ticket holder that will not be getting them this year. I will reconsider next year and if they do not give me the same seats I will do what most people around me do, get free tickets or the cheapest tickets and then sit where ever I want to.

Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 23, 2020, 09:43:40 PM
So many canceled games listed here, so much lost $$$$$$$$


Will college football happen in 2020? How each conference is approaching the upcoming fall season

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29517964/will-college-football-happen-2020-how-conference-approaching-upcoming-fall-season
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 24, 2020, 02:28:39 PM
Ohio Athletic Conference, including Mount Union, set to postpone athletic activities for 2020

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/ohio-athletic-conference-including-mount-union-set-to-postpone-athletic-activities-for-2020/


President’s Athletic Conference postpones fall sports; Grove City, Thiel, Westminster impacted

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/presidents-athletic-conference-postpones-fall-sports-grove-city-thiel-westminster-impacted/
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 28, 2020, 09:01:21 AM
Missouri Valley Conference issues statement on 2020 season

https://www.wfmj.com/story/42418227/missouri-valley-conference-issues-statement-on-2020-season
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on July 30, 2020, 09:35:34 AM
Here is one game off the schedule!



Northeast Conference the latest to postpone fall sports

The NEC Council of Presidents voted to postpone all competitions and championships, and applies to men’s and women’s cross country, field hockey, football, men’s and women’s soccer and women’s volleyball, as well as all other NEC sports scheduled to engage in competition this fall.

The council agreed to reconvene again by October 1 to evaluate the public health crisis and competitive options moving forward.

“While this decision was exceedingly difficult and will be incredibly heartbreaking for our NEC student-athletes, coaches and administrators, the NEC Council of Presidents focused on the importance of the health and safety and well-being of our entire campus communities,” said NEC Commissioner Noreen Morris. “This pandemic has challenged us all in ways we could never have imagined, and I applaud our student-athletes and coaches for handling this difficult time with grace and courage. We are committed to providing all of our student-athletes with meaningful practice and training activities this fall and look forward to reconvening our presidents by October 1 to discuss future competitive opportunities.”

Off note, the Duquesne football team was previously slated to face Youngstown State on September, 12 at Stambaugh Stadium.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on July 31, 2020, 09:13:36 AM
Without a vaccine, it looks hopeless and while the 2 year thing is probably wrong, there is NOT going to be a vaccine by September. 
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: Guin83 on July 31, 2020, 10:46:08 PM
Here is one game off the schedule!



Northeast Conference the latest to postpone fall sports

The NEC Council of Presidents voted to postpone all competitions and championships, and applies to men’s and women’s cross country, field hockey, football, men’s and women’s soccer and women’s volleyball, as well as all other NEC sports scheduled to engage in competition this fall.

The council agreed to reconvene again by October 1 to evaluate the public health crisis and competitive options moving forward.

“While this decision was exceedingly difficult and will be incredibly heartbreaking for our NEC student-athletes, coaches and administrators, the NEC Council of Presidents focused on the importance of the health and safety and well-being of our entire campus communities,” said NEC Commissioner Noreen Morris. “This pandemic has challenged us all in ways we could never have imagined, and I applaud our student-athletes and coaches for handling this difficult time with grace and courage. We are committed to providing all of our student-athletes with meaningful practice and training activities this fall and look forward to reconvening our presidents by October 1 to discuss future competitive opportunities.”

Off note, the Duquesne football team was previously slated to face Youngstown State on September, 12 at Stambaugh Stadium.

Heard from a good source that a certain Big 12 team two hours south is looking to fill an open date Sept 12.  They‘re looking for a smaller school.  They moved their game from that weekend up two weeks to create an opening. 
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: The YO Show on August 01, 2020, 02:47:05 PM
Hmmm. WVU!? That would be exciting for an extra money game. But sadly I do not think that football would be played. What a schedule this would be otherwise.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: goodnews on August 01, 2020, 04:28:16 PM
WVU lost Florida State and already has EKU on schedule.  I suspect they would be more inclined to play a MAC team if the season is played.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: The YO Show on August 01, 2020, 06:09:11 PM
Good news, maybe but it with the exception allowing FBS schools to count two games against FCS for bowl eligibility this year, maybe they just want the cheaper option of an FCS school?  ???
After all, at a minimum this year will have lower ticket sales due to social distancing, maybe playing with no fans at all. Need to keep the costs down somehow. It may actually make sense to schedule a YSU instead of a MAC school.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: goodnews on August 01, 2020, 06:40:05 PM
I'm all for dumping EKU and getting 3 money games. 
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 04, 2020, 11:12:11 AM
Big Ten in trouble: Rutgers’ coronavirus outbreak expands, Northwestern pauses workouts, Indiana student’s heart condition


Things are not looking good for the Big Ten playing football in 2020.


As NJ Advance Media’s Keith Sargeant first reported Monday night, the number of COVID-19 cases connected with the Rutgers University football team nearly has doubled from 15 to 28 players.

There are multiple players with symptoms widely a$$ociated with the coronavirus, including fevers, headaches, and sore throats, two of the people said. There are also numerous players who are asymptomatic after testing positive last week, two of the people said.

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And Rutgers isn’t the only Big Ten program struggling with the coronavirus these days.

ESPN reports “Northwestern has paused workouts after one player tested positive for the coronavirus”

Workouts will be on hold until Wednesday at the earliest. The player who tested positive is self-isolating, while those who were in close contact with him must test negative before being cleared to return to activities. Northwestern held its last workout on Friday.

On Sunday, Deborah Rucker, the mother of an Indiana freshman football player shared a story on Facebook about how the offensive lineman, Brady Feeney, has developed a possible heart condition as a result of contracting COVID-19. The story quickly went viral.

According to the Indianapolis Star, Feeney tested positive for the coronavirus last month.

“After 14 days of hell battling the horrible virus, his school did additional testing on all those that were positive,” Rucker wrote. “My son even received extra tests because he was one of the worst cases. Now we are dealing with possible heart issues! He is still experiencing additional symptoms and his blood work is indicating additional problems. ... Bottom line, even if your son’s schools do everything right to protect them, they CAN’T PROTECT THEM!!”

On Monday, Rucker explained why she went public.

“The whole point of my Facebook post is because in Missouri, where we live, the state is not taking this as seriously as they should,” Rucker said Monday. “With everything Brady is going through and has been struggling through, it has been infuriating to me that people are not taking this seriously and not wearing masks.”

According to the Indianapolis Star, Feeney was “one of a handful of players” to be diagnosed with COVID-19 in July, triggering a two-week shutdown of the Hoosiers’ football program. Indiana resumed offseason workouts last week.

As for Rutgers, players currently are in isolation through Aug. 8, a day after the NCAA will allow training camps to open nationwide. The Big Ten has not yet determined when it will allow its member schools to open camps, but a decision and a revised conference-only schedule for the season is expected to be released on Tuesday.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 04, 2020, 11:15:05 AM
Indiana State pauses workouts for 2 weeks after positive tests

Indiana State has paused football workouts for two weeks after six players tested positive for COVID-19.

Coach Curt Mallory told players, coaches and support staff that everyone must quarantine for 14 days. The athletic department issued a news release, saying none of the six players participated in Sunday's March for Justice because they -- and those in close contact with them -- had already been isolated.

The Sycamores also said the players do not live on campus.

Indiana State is at least the third team from the Missouri Valley Football Conference, a traditionally strong Football Championship Subdivision league, to pause workouts. "Our doctors and training staff instituted and followed strict protocols on monitoring and testing student-athletes,'' athletic director said Sherard Clinkscales.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 05, 2020, 05:10:55 PM
UConn becomes 1st FBS program to cancel football over virus

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/uconn-becomes-1st-fbs-program-to-cancel-football-over-virus/
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 07, 2020, 11:32:00 AM
Big Sky planning for football games in spring, sources say
12:39 AM ET

The Big Sky Conference is moving forward with plans to play an eight-game conference schedule in the spring due to conditions from the coronavirus pandemic, multiple sources confirmed to ESPN, a move that would likely result in the cancellation of the 2020 FCS playoffs.

With the addition of the Pioneer League on Friday, seven other FCS football conferences have already canceled their fall seasons. And without the Big Sky's 13 teams, FCS would no longer have the number of participating teams necessary to conduct a championship event. On Wednesday, the NCAA announced "if 50% or more of eligible teams in a particular sport in a division cancel their fall season, there will be no fall NCAA championship in that sport in that division."

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The Big Sky Presidents' Council met Thursday to discuss the plan, which has not yet been finalized, and will reconvene Friday for further discussion about both football and the rest of the conference's fall sports slate, sources said.

"We have no announcement at this time," a conference spokeswoman said in an email Thursday.

In addition to the Pioneer League, the Ivy League, CAA, MEAC, Northeast,and Patriot League have all canceled their fall seasons, while the Southwestern Athletic Conference is planning for a seven-game spring football season. The NCAA announced Wednesday championships would be canceled for both Division II and III sports in the fall.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 07, 2020, 11:33:16 AM
7 leagues have canceled the fall season so far, writing is on the wall folks!
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 08, 2020, 08:29:23 AM
Read the report on WKBN this morning, it clearly states that the fall league schedule has been canceled but schools can opt to play non-conference games in the fall. Would that even be a consideration for YSU?
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 08, 2020, 11:17:43 AM
Guess that we will not be playing akron after all.


Sources: MAC postpones all fall sports, including football
10:37 AM ET
Adam Rittenberg
ESPN Senior Writer

The Mid-American Conference is postponing all fall sports, including football, sources confirmed to ESPN on Saturday.

League presidents met Saturday morning and voted for the postponement. The MAC is the first FBS conference to opt not to play this fall. Earlier this week, FBS independent UConn became the first FBS program to cancel its season.


An official announcement will be made later Saturday. Stadium first reported on the MAC's decision.

The MAC presidents initially met Thursday morning to discuss the season but could not reach a decision. Northern Illinois and other league members expressed reservations about playing football and other sports safely amid the COVID-19 pandemic, sources said.

A spring season is likely for football and other fall sports but has not yet been determined.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 09, 2020, 07:26:39 PM
The end is near.

Sources: Power 5 talking about no fall football 6:09 PM ET ESPN


Commissioners of the Power 5 conferences held an emergency meeting on Sunday, as there is growing concern among college athletics officials that the upcoming football season and other fall sports can't be played because of the coronavirus pandemic, sources told ESPN.

Several sources have indicated to ESPN that Big Ten presidents, following a meeting on Saturday, are ready to pull the plug on its fall sports season, and they wanted to gauge if commissioners and university presidents and chancellors from the other Power 5 conferences -- the ACC, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC -- will fall in line with them.

Sources told ESPN that a vast majority of Big Ten presidents have indicated that they would vote to postpone football season, hopefully to the spring. A Big Ten official confirmed to ESPN that no official vote took place during Saturday's meeting, but the presidents are set to meet again Sunday night.

"It doesn't look good," one Power 5 athletic director said.

Notre Dame has close ties to the Power 5, deciding to join the ACC in football this year instead of remaining independent due to the challenges of the pandemic. Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick verbalized one of the central issues with altering the season.

"My view is if we change course, we better be able to articulate the reason for doing so to our student-athletes," he told ESPN.

The Mid-American Conference on Saturday became the first FBS league to postpone the fall sports season, including football.

Presidents and chancellors of the Pac-12 universities are scheduled to meet on Tuesday.

Several sources have told ESPN over the past 48 hours that the postponement or cancellation of the football season seems inevitable. Many of those sources believed it ultimately will take a Power 5 conference to move things in that direction, and that either the Big Ten or Pac-12 would probably be the first league to do it.

"Nobody wanted to be the first to do it," a Power 5 coach told ESPN, "and now nobody will want to be the last."

A Power 5 administrator added: "It feels like no one wants to, but it's reaching the point where someone is going to have to."

The ACC, Big 12 and SEC have wanted to wait to see what happened after thousands of students returned to their campuses this month, but they might be forced to act if the Big Ten and/or Pac-12 take action this week, the sources said.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on August 10, 2020, 09:42:46 AM
Read the report on WKBN this morning, it clearly states that the fall league schedule has been canceled but schools can opt to play non-conference games in the fall. Would that even be a consideration for YSU?


I know this sounds bad, but I hope not. Just cancel it. The sooner we get back to normal the better. You know they will never cancel basketball, yet it starts only 3 weeks after football. Cancel this spring season game schedule as well. Let's just let our team have spring practice sessions and a nice spring game to welcome the new coach. Keep the money as is, and apply it to next year. Why complicate matters?

The ones I feel the most sorry for are the 2021 HS grads (recruits). The NCAA has to let the players have another year (or they will be sued with just reason). This leaves the school without much in the way of scholarships funds for anyone new. Maybe the NCAA will allow some adjustments, but we still need to come up with the money. Is suspect there will be some top recruits "without a home" this year. Would be nice to have the open scholarships to take advantage of this.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: goodnews on August 10, 2020, 11:01:34 AM
We have plenty of Division III players on scholarship. The coach needs to let them know they're not in our future plans and pull the scholarships.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 10, 2020, 11:30:21 AM
Report: Big 10 votes to can fall football season


According to Dan Patrick, the Big 10 Presidents have voted 12-2 in favor of postponing the fall football season

by: Josh Frketic

Posted: Aug 10, 2020 / 11:13 AM EDT / Updated: Aug 10, 2020 / 11:17 AM EDT


INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana (WKBN) – According to Dan Patrick, the Big 10 Presidents have voted 12-2 in favor of cancelling the fall football season.


Nebraska and Iowa were the two schools that were still in favor of having a season.

Multiple reports said on Sunday that the Power 5 conferences are in advanced talks to move football to the spring.

The Mid-American Conference was the first FBS conference to move fall sports to the spring.

Late last week, the Big 10 told teams to stay in the acclimatization period until further notice, which means players must stay in helmets only during practice.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 11, 2020, 12:58:51 PM
Almost seems like money is driving the thinking process.

Schools and divisions that are not big money makers seem to have had an easier time deciding to cancel fall sports. Yet the decision to cancel is a bit harder for the schools and leagues that bring in the big bucks.

Surprise!
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: go guins on August 17, 2020, 10:11:36 AM
Almost seems like money is driving the thinking process.

Schools and divisions that are not big money makers seem to have had an easier time deciding to cancel fall sports. Yet the decision to cancel is a bit harder for the schools and leagues that bring in the big bucks.

Surprise!
So that is why the Big10 cancelled before the MVFC?  Your argument makes logical sense but doesn't follow what's actually happened.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: penguinpower on August 18, 2020, 05:14:09 AM
The reason the MVFC cancelled is because the NCAA said that if a certain percentage of schools cancelled their seasons there would not be a playoff. First the pussified Ivy League cancelled, then the NEC, Pioneer League etc. When the Big Fluffy Sky finally cancelled championships were not going to be held. The MVFC asked the athletes at the schools in the conference if they wanted to play the season without a championship.  The athletes said hell no, we want a championship.  The MVFC said the best chance for that to happen is if the season is moved to the spring.

Let's be rational here. There will likely be no spring football. Players need the off-season to heal from injuries.  This time will be shortened. The schedule will have to be completely re-tooled because the playoffs take up several weeks plus the regular season. They would have to have the championship by April 1st to give them 3 months off before reporting to fall camp a$$uming that would be July 1.  That means they would have to start the season January 1, and  finish with playoffs April 1st. That's like an 8 game season with no bye weeks or money games before the championship start. It is possible that there would be multiple conference co-champions.

The worst part is that the athletes would not have much time to rest and recover between the seasons.  Injuries with 6-12 month recovery periods would prevent a player from playing in the fall. The risk for more serious injury would also likely be higher in the fall due to shortened recovery times.

The only way for spring to work would be to also move and shorten the fall season as well.

People are stupid and do not make decisions based in facts. The mortality rate of this disease is now down below the H1N1 rates and declining. Hospitalizations nationwide are around 1,200 people. The doctors have treatments for people and are saving people with comorbidities.  The elderly over 74 are still at the highest risk. From a statistical standpoint this disease is really an age related disease. Yes, there are people the die at younger ages, but that can be said with all diseases. The kids that are playing sports are at very low risk of death. They want to play and the fans want to see them play.  People should be given the decision to both participate and attend the games. If you feel you need to stay home, then so be it, but the decision making by the NCAA to take away the championship is total bullsh** and is unacceptable. 

What really burns me up is that the people making the decisions are making them because they know what is best for you. Leftists want to control outcomes at the expense of the rights of the individual and this is a perfect example of this repeated pattern throughout history.  Many of the academic people at the President level whom are making these decisions are Confucius disciples.  As a result they rarely rely on making decisions based on reasoned argument, but rather ethical ideals that are conveyed through allusion, innuendo, and tautology.  It is essentially a form of group-think among them. I just call it Marxist because their decisions essentially manifest the same way as they would in Marxist societies- the ruling cla$$ controls what happens and you don't  get to make any decisions because that freedom is taken from your control. 

If the spring season is played it will f*** up 2 seasons. I say play now or skip this season and start over next year. Our ancestors that went through the Spanish flu of 1918 would probably see people today as soft pussified cowards. They dealt with a disease that had a higher mortality rate and went on with their lives, which included attending games with masks.  I know that you could argue that the effects of WW1 and the governments response would have made it that way back then due to WW1 implications of disseminating information. However in current times,  if a Democrat was up for re-election with this disease and a mortality rate below the Spanish flu it would not be a front and center and would be justified using the current mortality and hospitalization rates that are now below the levels of benchmark plagues
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: guinpen on August 18, 2020, 08:01:28 AM
And so it ends!


‘A spring season is the right decision’: YSU football decides against all fall competition

The Penguins will instead focus on both non-conference and league play for the spring of 2021

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (WKBN) – Youngstown State University will not field a football team this fall. The Penguins will instead focus on both non-conference and league play for the spring of 2021, while making the health of their student athletes their top priority.

YSU Athletic Director Ron Strollo said in a release Monday, “After much consideration, we have decided that it’s in the best interest of our football student-athletes and staff to not have competitions this fall. At this point in time, planning for a spring season is the right decision. We will work with our coaches and student-athletes to do our best to make that happen.” 

Penguins head coach Doug Phillips added, “We preach every day to thrive in all situations so we will use our time this fall to work together to become a better football program. We will continue to support our student-athletes in everything and our expectations for them to represent YSU in a positive manner on and off the field will not change.”

Youngstown State had the option to play non-conference contests when the MVFC announced it was moving league games to the spring earlier this year. The Penguins had homes games scheduled against both Duquesne and Eastern Kentucky in September.
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: cjm on August 18, 2020, 08:33:43 AM
your first part was spot on. the second part? why? why do you continue to do this? read your history. note the"response" portion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu


The reason the MVFC cancelled is because the NCAA said that if a certain percentage of schools cancelled their seasons there would not be a playoff. First the pussified Ivy League cancelled, then the NEC, Pioneer League etc. When the Big Fluffy Sky finally cancelled championships were not going to be held. The MVFC asked the athletes at the schools in the conference if they wanted to play the season without a championship.  The athletes said hell no, we want a championship.  The MVFC said the best chance for that to happen is if the season is moved to the spring.

Let's be rational here. There will likely be no spring football. Players need the off-season to heal from injuries.  This time will be shortened. The schedule will have to be completely re-tooled because the playoffs take up several weeks plus the regular season. They would have to have the championship by April 1st to give them 3 months off before reporting to fall camp a$$uming that would be July 1.  That means they would have to start the season January 1, and  finish with playoffs April 1st. That's like an 8 game season with no bye weeks or money games before the championship start. It is possible that there would be multiple conference co-champions.

The worst part is that the athletes would not have much time to rest and recover between the seasons.  Injuries with 6-12 month recovery periods would prevent a player from playing in the fall. The risk for more serious injury would also likely be higher in the fall due to shortened recovery times.

The only way for spring to work would be to also move and shorten the fall season as well.

People are stupid and do not make decisions based in facts. The mortality rate of this disease is now down below the H1N1 rates and declining. Hospitalizations nationwide are around 1,200 people. The doctors have treatments for people and are saving people with comorbidities.  The elderly over 74 are still at the highest risk. From a statistical standpoint this disease is really an age related disease. Yes, there are people the die at younger ages, but that can be said with all diseases. The kids that are playing sports are at very low risk of death. They want to play and the fans want to see them play.  People should be given the decision to both participate and attend the games. If you feel you need to stay home, then so be it, but the decision making by the NCAA to take away the championship is total bullsh** and is unacceptable. 

What really burns me up is that the people making the decisions are making them because they know what is best for you. Leftists want to control outcomes at the expense of the rights of the individual and this is a perfect example of this repeated pattern throughout history.  Many of the academic people at the President level whom are making these decisions are Confucius disciples.  As a result they rarely rely on making decisions based on reasoned argument, but rather ethical ideals that are conveyed through allusion, innuendo, and tautology.  It is essentially a form of group-think among them. I just call it Marxist because their decisions essentially manifest the same way as they would in Marxist societies- the ruling cla$$ controls what happens and you don't  get to make any decisions because that freedom is taken from your control. 

If the spring season is played it will f*** up 2 seasons. I say play now or skip this season and start over next year. Our ancestors that went through the Spanish flu of 1918 would probably see people today as soft pussified cowards. They dealt with a disease that had a higher mortality rate and went on with their lives, which included attending games with masks.  I know that you could argue that the effects of WW1 and the governments response would have made it that way back then due to WW1 implications of disseminating information. However in current times,  if a Democrat was up for re-election with this disease and a mortality rate below the Spanish flu it would not be a front and center and would be justified using the current mortality and hospitalization rates that are now below the levels of benchmark plagues
Title: Re: And so it begins
Post by: IAA Fan on August 18, 2020, 05:20:21 PM

... If the spring season is played it will f*** up 2 seasons. I say play now or skip this season and start over next year. ...

Spot On