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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: Double ET on May 18, 2020, 07:36:38 AM
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From today’s Vindy/Tribune:
https://www.tribtoday.com/sports/local-sports/2020/05/ysu-has-no-plans-to-eliminate-sports/
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Noteworthy that 15 folks are making over $65,000! That is a lot of money. I know that other schools pay more, I know that you get what you pay for. But that is still a lot of money.
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Noteworthy that 15 folks are making over $65,000! That is a lot of money. I know that other schools pay more, I know that you get what you pay for. But that is still a lot of money.
I don't agree about it being a lot of money IF you do something to earn it!
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Its called ROI and there is very little coming out of the bottom floor of Stambaugh.
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Its called ROI and there is very little coming out of the bottom floor of Stambaugh.
No, actually it's called "football" and there isn't much of THAT on the floor of Stambaugh.
It's been a LONG time since we had a good coach that cared and contributed to good public relations. Let's hope DP is that guy again!
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This is coming out of Akron.
https://www.beaconjournal.com/news/20200520/university-of-akron-invoking-contract-clause-to-allow-for-ldquoimmediaterdquo-layoffs-faculty-union-says?fbclid=IwAR3962lwLVX7yBcOPE5trmbNmyIqImr8Dg7zvsbBXhOhpg_avBdzXHuE3B0
With all these cuts to the academic division, how could UA justify spending all the $$ to stay in 1-A?
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If newspaper accounts are accurate, Akron had about 30k students in 2010. This past year that figure dropped to about 19k. During that same span, YSU probably dropped from about 13.5k to about 12k. Yet Akron continued to spend like the proverbial drunken sailor on both academic programs and athletics. They must now confront financial reality. They are getting exactly what they deserve.
Nobody knows what the long term ramifications of this pandemic will be for YSU or any American university. We will suffer but we are much better positioned than quite a few of our rivals in Ohio and the Midwest.
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Who cares what Akron does? For the last 10 years or more some are hoping to see there demise. I over that stuff about being in the MAC or hoping our neighbors fail to the west of us. We blew our chances years ago and maybe it’s a blessing we never moved up. I wonder what would have happened if Mickey Monus’s paper empire would have lasted longer if he could have got us their with his $$$. Heck we could to D2. Who knows!
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Who cares what Akron does? For the last 10 years or more some are hoping to see there demise. I over that stuff about being in the MAC or hoping our neighbors fail to the west of us. We blew our chances years ago and maybe it’s a blessing we never moved up. I wonder what would have happened if Mickey Monus’s paper empire would have lasted longer if he could have got us their with his $$$. Heck we could to D2. Who knows!
Monus was never going to be the salvation, that's for sure. D2 isn't either. My vote is OVC, less travel, more rivalries, and all sports under one umbrella which also aids rivalries and attendance.
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I would take the OVC in a heartbeat!
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YSU is not going to the OVC. Fans may not like it but administration and AD's love being in the MVFC for football, being it's the toughest in FCS and the horizon in basketball and the rest.
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I am confused by this fascination with the OVC. It makes no sense whatsoever, even ignoring the fact that those schools "invited" us to leave their conference by the late 1980s.
When we were members of that league, Eastern Kentucky was a national IAA football power. Today, OVC football is weak, closer to the NEC than the MVFC.
When our basketball team competed in the OVC during the 1980s, the conference was one of the top mid-majors. Today, basketball is also weak, near the bottom according to both Sagarin and Massey.
Our football team would have to fly to games in Tennessee and southern Missouri, just as we do now in the MVFC. Travel costs would be enormous for all of our other sports, compared to the friendly geography of the Horizon League.
The Horizon League is perfect for us at the present time. You have just seen how we can be competitive in basketball with a real head coach. Barnes has proven his ability when the roster is not annihilated with injury. This can only change if the new financial reality provoked by the virus forces the Ohio MAC schools to abandon their delusions.
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I am confused by this fascination with the OVC. It makes no sense whatsoever, even ignoring the fact that those schools "invited" us to leave their conference by the late 1980s.
When we were members of that league, Eastern Kentucky was a national IAA football power. Today, OVC football is weak, closer to the NEC than the MVFC.
When our basketball team competed in the OVC during the 1980s, the conference was one of the top mid-majors. Today, basketball is also weak, near the bottom according to both Sagarin and Massey.
Our football team would have to fly to games in Tennessee and southern Missouri, just as we do now in the MVFC. Travel costs would be enormous for all of our other sports, compared to the friendly geography of the Horizon League.
The Horizon League is perfect for us at the present time. You have just seen how we can be competitive in basketball with a real head coach. Barnes has proven his ability when the roster is not annihilated with injury. This can only change if the new financial reality provoked by the virus forces the Ohio MAC schools to abandon their delusions.
I agree with your Horizon League comments, but it all turns to crap when you board a plane for Fargo ND which you have no basketball or any other sport, or regional contact. The issue is football in #1 and the Horizon league doesn't have any. Closest competitive "all sport" league is OVC.
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Let's put a few things into perspective.
1. YSU and the OVC is going back too far now. Just too many years to talk real rivals. Our bigger concern is to embed rivalry thinking into our incoming classes. When I took my daughter on her first tour of OSU. In one day, my daughter was responding "..IO" to every "OH..." she heard. It starts right from the very beginning and we need to do the same.
2. Tressel moved us out of the OVC for very specific reasons.
- The NCAA allowed independents to participate in the play-off and GA Southern did well as an independent and were offered admission to the SoCon. That sets the stage to put YSU in the play-off every year that we can manage 7-wins with schedules that are much easier than the OVC.
- 7 wins was NEVER going to win the OVC. We were seldom, if ever, going to win the OVC and it was a 1-deep conference for the play-off.
Taking these two things into account, why not go independent? Honestly, even if we won the OVC, I doubt we could have advanced and won a title. It was a good move to go independent.
The MVFC and NDSU. NDSU is only going to be beaten regularly when other MVFC teams play the same style of ball and/or make a conscience effort to focus on them. Now when a team is in a conference that goes 3-4 deep in the post-season, why would you bother with any kind of focus on NDSU? You may beat NDSU, even on a regular basis, but you will probably lose to other teams that have offensive speed and a mobile QB. So what good is defeating NDSU and not making the play-off, or losing in the early rounds? Besides if NDSU goes to the post-season, the MVFC still puts another 2-3 teams in the post season. That is more than the OVC.
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From YSU internal communications on budget cuts posted this morning... This paragraph highlighted the budget cuts in athletics:
YSU announces budget reductions
Youngstown State University announced today that there will be significant operational budget cuts and the elimination of 22 coaching and administrative positions in Intercollegiate Athletics, resulting in an overall expense reduction of nearly $2 million.
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From YSU internal communications on budget cuts posted this morning... This paragraph highlighted the budget cuts in athletics:
YSU announces budget reductions
Youngstown State University announced today that there will be significant operational budget cuts and the elimination of 22 coaching and administrative positions in Intercollegiate Athletics, resulting in an overall expense reduction of nearly $2 million.
That is a hit, saving grace will be if everyone else has to do the same, it should not be a dis-advantage.
One side affect of all this cutback in people whether public or private is that if things get done without them, were they really needed?
Glad to see YSU stepping up and addressing the issue.
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Let's put a few things into perspective.
1. YSU and the OVC is going back too far now. Just too many years to talk real rivals. Our bigger concern is to embed rivalry thinking into our incoming classes. When I took my daughter on her first tour of OSU. In one day, my daughter was responding "..IO" to every "OH..." she heard. It starts right from the very beginning and we need to do the same.
2. Tressel moved us out of the OVC for very specific reasons.
- The NCAA allowed independents to participate in the play-off and GA Southern did well as an independent and were offered admission to the SoCon. That sets the stage to put YSU in the play-off every year that we can manage 7-wins with schedules that are much easier than the OVC.
- 7 wins was NEVER going to win the OVC. We were seldom, if ever, going to win the OVC and it was a 1-deep conference for the play-off.
Taking these two things into account, why not go independent? Honestly, even if we won the OVC, I doubt we could have advanced and won a title. It was a good move to go independent.
The MVFC and NDSU. NDSU is only going to be beaten regularly when other MVFC teams play the same style of ball and/or make a conscience effort to focus on them. Now when a team is in a conference that goes 3-4 deep in the post-season, why would you bother with any kind of focus on NDSU? You may beat NDSU, even on a regular basis, but you will probably lose to other teams that have offensive speed and a mobile QB. So what good is defeating NDSU and not making the play-off, or losing in the early rounds? Besides if NDSU goes to the post-season, the MVFC still puts another 2-3 teams in the post season. That is more than the OVC.
Interesting post,
Do you know right off how many OVC teams usually made the play-offs?
How tough would it be to make a relevant schedule as an independant?
What is more important to YSU and it's fans? Coming in top two of the OVC, making the play-offs and maybe lose in the first round, or playing in the MVAC being a better team for it but maybe not making the playoffs? At this point I think our fans would just like to make the playoffs.
As always the trick is to make the playoffs as you are peaking.
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The OVC is not happening people lol.
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YSU sports - $ 2 Millions in Budget cuts
From today Vindy/ Tribune:
https://www.tribtoday.com/sports/local-sports/2020/05/ysu-cuts-2-million-from-athletic-budget/
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Article from today’s Vindy/Tribune on budget cuts on YSU sports:
https://www.tribtoday.com/sports/local-sports/2020/05/ysu-cuts-2-million-from-athletic-budget/
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Looks like the football coaching staff was reduced by 4 coaches .
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We had to refund 3 million in student fees due to the university being closed. The athletic dept was supported with student fee money without we cannot sustain D1 full sports slate of teams? Is D2 on the the radar screen the next few years. I think it should be. I love our sports but we cannot compete without solid funding.
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We had to refund 3 million in student fees due to the university being closed. The athletic dept was supported with student fee money without we cannot sustain D1 full sports slate of teams? Is D2 on the the radar screen the next few years. I think it should be. I love our sports but we cannot compete without solid funding.
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Keep everything in perspective. All athletic programs below the big time level are struggling with finances. Everybody will be cutting staff. Right now I am pleased that we have retained every one of our sports. We definitely will not miss any fired administrators, and we might just discover that we had more assistant coaches than we really needed.
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Are they moving forward on the new turf?
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Are they moving forward on the new turf?
It's been delayed. They still hope to have it done by the start of football season.
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Good chance Robert Morris joins the horizon league soon.
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Good chance Robert Morris joins the horizon league soon.
WHY
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/06/04/rmu-potentially-joining-horizon-league/
https://bustingbrackets.com/2020/06/04/horizon-league-basketball-how-robert-morris-addition-would-impact-the-conference/
https://triblive.com/sports/robert-morris-reportedly-mulling-move-out-of-northeast-conference/
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https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/college/2020/05/23/briggs-why-toledo-and-bg-football-dropping-to-fcs-is-absolute-non-starter/stories/20200523086. His argument seems purely emotional.
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https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/college/2020/05/23/briggs-why-toledo-and-bg-football-dropping-to-fcs-is-absolute-non-starter/stories/20200523086. His argument seems purely emotional.
It is interesting that anybody at Toledo would even be talking about this. Toledo is the only MAC school in Ohio that has the community support and tradition to remain viable in FBS. I also found it fascinating that this Toledo writer has the same low opinion about Akron and Kent State football as many of us. And this is the first MAC person that I have encountered that admits that playing for a national championship is more interesting than some meaningless, obscure bowl game.
This article does suffer from some shoddy research. To "prove" that there would not be substantial cost-saving if the MAC dropped to FCS, he cites James Madison. JMU is hardly a representative FCS school. They have the largest budget in FCS by far, mostly by imposing an extraordinarily high athletic fee on all of their students. In fact, MAC schools would save many millions by reducing scholarships. Of course, "our fans would not like it. We would lose prestige. We belong in Division I (ignorant that FCS is Division I.)" The most pathetic thing of all is that MAC people believe that football fans across this country actually consider their league "big time" simply because of a NCAA classification on a piece of paper.
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Good link showing athletic budgets, costs and amount of institutional support for their athletic programs. I think YSU was at 72% which I think was a higher percentage than Akron. Hers the link:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2020/02/192-million-in-student-fees-other-school-subsidies-for-sports-at-ohio-division-i-public-universities.html%3foutputType=amp
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Good link showing athletic budgets, costs and amount of institutional support for their athletic programs. I think YSU was at 72% which I think was a higher percentage than Akron. Hers the link:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2020/02/192-million-in-student-fees-other-school-subsidies-for-sports-at-ohio-division-i-public-universities.html%3foutputType=amp
percentages are one thing, but I measure most things in $$$ and YSU is BY FAR the lowest subsidy school with football, at nearly 1/2 the next couple schools. This says beyond a doubt YSU needs to INCREASE it's subsidy to football! Thank God we aren't in the MAC, it is WAY too expensive!
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What's the game plan in the Athletic Department to save money with yesterdays decision? Will they strike too if they don't get their way like the union has threatened?
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What's the game plan in the Athletic Department to save money with yesterdays decision? Will they strike too if they don't get their way like the union has threatened?
What was yesterdays decision?
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My point was without student fees we are not self sufficient in athletics. Too bad every week wasn’t a money game in football lol!
Good link showing athletic budgets, costs and amount of institutional support for their athletic programs. I think YSU was at 72% which I think was a higher percentage than Akron. Hers the link:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/datacentral/2020/02/192-million-in-student-fees-other-school-subsidies-for-sports-at-ohio-division-i-public-universities.html%3foutputType=amp
percentages are one thing, but I measure most things in $$$ and YSU is BY FAR the lowest subsidy school with football, at nearly 1/2 the next couple schools. This says beyond a doubt YSU needs to INCREASE it's subsidy to football! Thank God we aren't in the MAC, it is WAY too expensive!
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I believe the Athletic Department has already been trimmed but what is the plan now? How many get-to-know videos can the SID staff do? I just cant see pouring money down the drain for what?
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There are four full-time staff working in the Sports Information Department. For a smaller D-1 program that needs to cut costs that ridiculous. I know times are changing and there may be more sports, but when Greg Gulas was there was a one man band. I would also make the case that Greg got a lot media coverage for YSU as well.
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I only know of 3 full-timers in the SI department. Trevor is in charge of the department, has 1/2 website duties and spends most of his time with FB. Jamie Does publishing (programs and paper), SB, MBB and Track/XC. John was part-time, now full. He is the other half of the web and used to focus more on women's sports. Now, the sports are divided more equally between them. I am not sure if that is overstaffed, but I would not think so.
When Greg started, we were just transitioning from DII to DI and he had people as well. later in his tenure a full staff. Remember that we did not even have a full time AD for quite some time (although Malmisar was full-time). coaches worked things out themselves. Tressel became AD with a small stipend being added to his salary. That was the only thing that got his income up over $100k. I do not have a list, but we have had 11 AD's (including Strollo).
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I think its fair to say with no competition they're overstaffed. If things don't start backup until 2021 that will have been 10 months of a lot of idle time and expense.