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Where do they turn this time. Hope its not a re-tread from OSU and Tressel days. So many of them landed MAC jobs and failed miserably. Any idea where they turn now?
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Tressel needs to have a say this time. Curt Mallory at Indiana State should be on the list.
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I would hope that we don't place too much emphasis on "northeastern Ohio" ties. Tressel grew up in Berea, Heacock in Beloit, Wolford in Brookfield, Pelini in Boardman. Obviously, only Tressel worked out.
This is still a fantastic opportunity for an ambitious, talented young coach. The Watts, a big time weight room (not my opinion...ask the 49er's,) excellent (and compliant) media coverage, enough regional talent (not like the old days but still sufficient.) And the precedent to go directly to OSU from here. Great place for a rising coach to give us 3-4 years of winning and reach the big time.
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Wick I agree 100%. This is a very good job. Great facilities, winning tradition and strong recruiting base.
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I want an offensive coach that can recruit Ohio and Florida. I know I will get my head beat in but I want Shane Montgomery, or what about Brian Wright. He just took a D2 gig.
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Pretty late to begin a national search for a head coach. Carl has a leg up but I'll ask around and see what I can find.
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Very late. Will suck to see the impact on the recruiting class in a week
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Names I'm hearing so far:
Shane Montgomery
Mike Stoops
Vince Marrow
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Thanks chief! Wonder if any of the three names you are hearing are actually interested.
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I want an offensive coach that can recruit Ohio and Florida. I know I will get my head beat in but I want Shane Montgomery, or what about Brian Wright. He just took a D2 gig.
Always a coach Shane fan here. I am concerned about Wright being capable, but I always liked him. He needs some Head-coaching experience for me to feel more comfortable.
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Heard that Shepas is in the mix. Need to cut the Mooney umbilical now!
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I want an offensive coach that can recruit Ohio and Florida. I know I will get my head beat in but I want Shane Montgomery, or what about Brian Wright. He just took a D2 gig.
Always a coach Shane fan here. I am concerned about Wright being capable, but I always liked him. He needs some Head-coaching experience for me to feel more comfortable.
Shane did more for the program then most people realize plus he was a very good recruiter. When he left along with Bricillo this program did a 360 degree turn for the worse. The Culture and discipline was simply know more..Shane should be strongly considered if he wants to return
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You guys do realize that assistant coaches at P5 schools make 2x or even 3x the salary that we can pay our head coach. It is a different world from the days when we hired Tressel. Lower your expectations.
This is exactly why some of us have been harping about the bloated number of athletic administrators and the poor pay for our coaches. I'm afraid you are about to see the concrete ramifications of this misguided policy.
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Your correct wick..Was wanting to throw Zordich in the mix then I found out Michigan's assistants are getting paid anywhere from 600,000 to a mill a year
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Shane was a disaster as a HC at Miami. The team got worse every single year he was there.
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Hannon brought up a few names. Montgomery is interested. Michael Zordich. The coach from Indiana St. Vince Marrow, Michael Stoops. I will throw out a name is Michael Mangino too old to be a serious candidate. Somehow I feel it will be none of those.
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I would hope that we don't place too much emphasis on "northeastern Ohio" ties. Tressel grew up in Berea, Heacock in Beloit, Wolford in Brookfield, Pelini in Boardman. Obviously, only Tressel worked out.
This is still a fantastic opportunity for an ambitious, talented young coach. The Watts, a big time weight room (not my opinion...ask the 49er's,) excellent (and compliant) media coverage, enough regional talent (not like the old days but still sufficient.) And the precedent to go directly to OSU from here. Great place for a rising coach to give us 3-4 years of winning and reach the big time.
I think we also need a coach with a little bit of an ego. If I was looking at a coaching job that was could be leveraged into a multimillion dollar payout, YSU would not be at the tip of my list. Most coaches get one chance as a HC before they are branded as a perpetual assistant. The reasons why I would not take the job have to do with 2-things:
1. We dont pay well enough to hire a competent staff that has elite recruiting and are great D1 coaches.
2. We play in the MVFC and the elephant in the room is that you need to recruit 85 elite D1 athletes with 63 scholarships. The reason is that is the only way to make it through the conference with enough healthy players to make the playoffs and then make a run. NDSU is doing this and they are winning for a reason.
Finally, we are in the most competitive conference at any level of football in the country. The conference loaded with great coaching. If you piece all of that together, it tells me that we need a person that is a great coach that can build and execute a strategy with less, and has the ego to believe he can win under those constraints. Lift one of the constraints and the pool widens.
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I would consider recruiting the offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator at North Dakota State. NDSU has had perpetual, uninterrupted success by promoting internally. The result would be a coach with significant winning experience who would bring the NDSU culture to Youngstown.
Did not STROLLO utilize this approach when he recruited Coach BARNES from Green Bay?
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Tressel needs to have a say this time. Curt Mallory at Indiana State should be on the list.
He makes 200,000 at ISU so we certainly could afford him. But, as critical as this fan base seems to be, he is coming off a losing record.
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You guys do realize that assistant coaches at P5 schools make 2x or even 3x the salary that we can pay our head coach. It is a different world from the days when we hired Tressel. Lower your expectations.
This is exactly why some of us have been harping about the bloated number of athletic administrators and the poor pay for our coaches. I'm afraid you are about to see the concrete ramifications of this misguided policy.
Hey guys wanting FBS assistants. I hear the LSU DC was getting 2,500,000 and the new guy is getting more. We are completely out of the game.
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Since Mallory falls into our price range, he certainly is interesting. He has very little to work with at Indiana State. Poor stadium, no indoor training facility, no media interest, no regional recruiting base compared to YSU, no fan support at a basketball school. Yet he has certainly overachieved there. Winning record in 2018 but doomed last fall when he lost his quarterback early in the season. That did not stop him from embarrassing Pelini both years. I wonder if he would be interested. Everything his program lacks in Indiana he would have here.
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Vince Marrow? https://kentuckysportsradio.com/football-2/vince-marrow-could-be-a-candidate-for-the-youngstown-state-head-coaching-vacancy/
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We should interview Vince Kehres from Mount Union. He was just hired as Toledo’s DC
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We need someone who's proven they can be a HC. I don't care about what level, but I'm tired of hiring coordinators and finding out they are awesome coordinators but suck as head coaches.
That's a losing strategy.
Coach Shane was a disaster as a HC. No thanks.
Not sold on Carl either. Nothing there fills me with confidence from his last HC gig :-X
If its those 2 clowns versus a D2 HC, give me the D2 guy. Especially if he's young.
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in other words do not follow the Cleveland Browns strategy
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in other words do not follow the Cleveland Browns strategy
Yes, if anyone needed any reminders, do not emulate the Browns
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I have a name to throw out there, How about Andrew Sowder O.C. Kent St.? Left San Jose St only to take a pay cut and Join HC Sean Lewis who he coached with earlier at B.G..Guessing Sowder's salary to be in the neighborhood of 170,000, However he is setting himself up nicely to become a head coach in the MAC or follow Lewis when he gets a big coaching job elsewhere
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We need someone who's proven they can be a HC. I don't care about what level, but I'm tired of hiring coordinators and finding out they are awesome coordinators but suck as head coaches.
That's a losing strategy.
Coach Shane was a disaster as a HC. No thanks.
Not sold on Carl either. Nothing there fills me with confidence from his last HC gig :-X
If its those 2 clowns versus a D2 HC, give me the D2 guy. Especially if he's young.
A lot of water under the dam since '08 don't you think? Coach Monty shouldn't be eliminated because of a Miami record from over a decade ago.
I thought Carl did a pretty good job at BGSU under some trying circumstances.
Sorry, but name calling of coaches Montgomery and Pelini may impress some, but I think it shows immaturity
That being said, my money is on Marrow!
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Marrow was recently named assistant HC at Kentucky with a salary of $650k. Is a head coaching job at a lower level worth that kind of a pay cut?
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Marrow was recently named assistant HC at Kentucky with a salary of $650k. Is a head coaching job at a lower level worth that kind of a pay cut?
Seems to me you are serious or your're not serious. We pay him 500K minimum if we feel we want to compete, otherwise we look at what we can afford. IE. Carl.
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I have a name to throw out there, How about Andrew Sowder O.C. Kent St.? Left San Jose St only to take a pay cut and Join HC Sean Lewis who he coached with earlier at B.G..Guessing Sowder's salary to be in the neighborhood of 170,000, However he is setting himself up nicely to become a head coach in the MAC or follow Lewis when he gets a big coaching job elsewhere
Nice one Fever. Perhaps a bit lite on experience though.
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I think that Happy and Chief have legitimate concerns with coach Shane. I would think it was staff-related, but Strollo needs to be assured that it will not happen again. Shane understands the administrative component well, the university had all-confidence in him. I think that if he is not hog-tied into staff, he will do exceptionally well. If he is (which is what I think happened at Miami) then we can still have success; but how long will it take and at what cost we do not know. It should also be noted that JMU has much more cash than YSU and they are probably quite happy with coach Montgomery. I also think that YSU is higher in the I-AA/FCS "pecking order" than Miami is in the IA/FBS pecking order. It will be a bit easier to recruit staff and players here. Also, with these two knew QB's, Shane is quite the QB's coach.
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Why don't we focus on coaches that can win and are not tied to the university like we always do. Shane and Carl would not be good decisions we will be mediocre at best as we are now. Glad Pelini is gone don't let the door hit you in the butt. LSU will have a terrible defense now . they apparently didn't look at his defense during his tenure here. Let's get a good coach with winning experience. I would go after the North Dakota State or South Dakota State assistants they know how to win. Enough with dwelling on Shane and Carl. Makes me want to puke
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Marrow was recently named assistant HC at Kentucky with a salary of $650k. Is a head coaching job at a lower level worth that kind of a pay cut?
Seems to me you are serious or your're not serious. We pay him 500K minimum if we feel we want to compete, otherwise we look at what we can afford. IE. Carl.
I hope we don’t pay someone 500k to coach here, apparently we just had a head coach worth 2 million a year and that got us a lot of mediocrity
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Marrow was recently named assistant HC at Kentucky with a salary of $650k. Is a head coaching job at a lower level worth that kind of a pay cut?
Seems to me you are serious or your're not serious. We pay him 500K minimum if we feel we want to compete, otherwise we look at what we can afford. IE. Carl.
I hope we don’t pay someone 500k to coach here, apparently we just had a head coach worth 2 million a year and that got us a lot of mediocrity
We won't pay anywhere near 500k for any coach--possible Marrow would take it although I don't believe any coach in the US making in the neighborhood of 625k would take such a drastic pay cut to coach here.
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I think we may have issues finding a coach that will want to come here for what we will pay that is a good fit and meets the qualifications we on this board are looking for.
We either will go browns route and take someone that is young and up and coming with no head coaching experience, or we are gonna get someone with a shaky track record who does have head coaching experience. It's really late to be looking for a coach this year. This is my prediction.
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YSU in talks with Vince Marrow. Looking like a deal will get done but not yet.
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Looks like he is a excellent recruiter. Is he an ex mooney alumni and we better surround him with some experienced coordinators. Looks like another wolf type hire
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Chief,
You are the best source of information on this site, and I believe you. But I'm having a hard time digesting why a top SEC assistant would take a 400K pay reduction to become a head coach at a FCS school. Also, given the dire situation of our football program, can we really gamble on anybody that lacks head coaching experience on the collegiate level?
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Coach Montgomery wins award. https://www.prweb.com/releases/football_scoop_astroturf_present_annual_coach_of_the_year_honors/prweb16843435.htm
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YSU in talks with Vince Marrow. Looking like a deal will get done but not yet.
I am sorry, I just have a very hard time believing this. FootballScoop agrees:
"Vince is extremely well compensated at Kentucky. I know all the ties, etc... but would be stunning to see him leave UK for Youngstown.
@MichaelWBratton
Kentucky's ace recruiter Vince Marrow is "in talks with Youngstown State" regarding the head coaching position at the school following Bo Pelini's departure according to @KySportsRadio. Jones notes that no decision by Marrow has been made at this time."
https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/1222902402887507971
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It is hard to believe that he would like take such a large pay cut to come here.
IMO, this could only happen is if he looks at this as an investment for him to get the necessary HC experiences setting himself up for a future HC position at FBS level with multi-million $ payday.
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https://www.wkbn.com/sports/watch-sports-team-27-asks-kentuckys-vince-marrow-about-interest-in-ysu-coaching-position/
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Chief I respect you, but this is bad info. Marrow has yet to meet with Tressel and Strollo. Marrow is meeting with two trustees tomorrow. Interviews are ongoing.
I am hearing that Marrow is not at the top of either Strollo or Tressel's list. Highly unlikely he is under consideration.
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1990, I interpret this in a different way. If Marrow is going to meet with two trustees, this is deadly serious. And you could be sure that Tressel arranged that meeting. And I hope you are right about Mallory. He would be my first choice.
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My friend just sent me information that Marrow actually has a buyout clause in his UK contract. Looks like it would cost us $300,000 given to UK just to sign the guy. Scratch him off your list.
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Just passing along what I hear. He is talking with the university and wants to be a head coach but I think he stays at Kentucky because he likes it there and they would be willing to give him a raise to keep him I believe.
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We need someone who's proven they can be a HC. I don't care about what level, but I'm tired of hiring coordinators and finding out they are awesome coordinators but suck as head coaches.
That's a losing strategy.
Coach Shane was a disaster as a HC. No thanks.
Not sold on Carl either. Nothing there fills me with confidence from his last HC gig :-X
If its those 2 clowns versus a D2 HC, give me the D2 guy. Especially if he's young.
A lot of water under the dam since '08 don't you think? Coach Monty shouldn't be eliminated because of a Miami record from over a decade ago.
I thought Carl did a pretty good job at BGSU under some trying circumstances.
Sorry, but name calling of coaches Montgomery and Pelini may impress some, but I think it shows immaturity
That being said, my money is on Marrow!
I think you just lost all your money bud.
I do love the idea of a great recruiter as HC though, especially if he gets a couple good DC's to come on board.
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What the coach across the border At Slippery Rock. Last year 13-1 grew up at Massillon Jackson -Shawn Lutz
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What the coach across the border At Slippery Rock. Last year 13-1 grew up at Massillon Jackson -Shawn Lutz
I must have been reading your mind before I came to the board. I was on SRU's site checking out his record there.
2016 7-4
2017 8-3
2018 11-3
2019 13-1
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What the coach across the border At Slippery Rock. Last year 13-1 grew up at Massillon Jackson -Shawn Lutz
Shawn has been at the Rock for over 20 years 4 as head coach, he seems to be comfortable there. Has the program going in the right direction so for now has it made. He may be happy with that. So much more pressure at YSU.
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I was also looking into D2 Notre Dame in the Cleveland area. Their head coach Mike Jacobs was 42-8 there, but just took the Lenoir Rhyne job.
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Be careful with lower level coaches.... Ask the folks in Akron how they like their new head coach.
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Carl Pelini telling those close to him that he will not get an interview, so much for the coach in waiting. Marrow never under consideration, ever. Montgomery On B list, but still under consideration.
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If u know who isnt under consideration do u know any coaches that are?
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Marrow was definitely under consideration until they started talking dollars. I think the powers above have just been rubbed the wrong way by the Pelini's so I think Carl will not be in serious consideration as stated above.
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It has been more difficult to get the names under consideration than those being eliminated. I do know they would prefer a head coach with a successful record who has had success. I think Curt Mallory at Indiana State is one of a few on their short list, no idea who the others would be.
I have been told that Montgomery on the B list, and not their A list because of his 17-31 record as a head coach at Miami of Ohio, including a pair of 2-10 seasons.
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Let me sum up:
Guys we want from bigger programs, already earn to much.
Any body from a smaller program we don't want because he is from too small a program.
Guys that are here we don't want.
HEADLINE NEWS, YSU to have first 1AA Foortball Program with Players Self-Coached!!
Let me tell you about hiring. It is a complete crap shoot. (IE. Pelini won 9 games or more every year at Nebraska in the Big10. Playing Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State etc. Comes to YSU and wins 9 games just once and loses to Butler)
You just don't know, but you interview the interested parties, pick the guy you think is the best for your position and move forward. NDSU is NOT going to spot you 21 because you have a new coach.
In college football the most important thing is NOT O, and it's NOT D, it's R recruiting. Bo thought by stepping down to 1AA he could skip the part of the game he liked least, he was wrong. Going forward it as all about recruiting. Hire the best recruiter. If necessary, you can have the coordinates handle most of the football, but if you don't have players, you are doomed.
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I agree to the point that recruiting has to be a priority. But, I think the head coach needs to a strong CEO type. I think Vince Marrow would be a stretch to hire at YSU, but he is credited with the strong recruiting classes at Kentucky, then Mark Stoops comes in and closes the deal.
Bo Pelini loved practice and gameday, didn't like much else. Even at FCS level head coach needs to work with the media, boosters, be out in the community, engage the community where he lives. As a head coach, there is so much more to do than coach. Also critical is put together a great staff, and I think one could make the argument that Pelini had an an average staff at best. I think you will see that most on his staff will struggle to get a good job. Donald D'Alesio is going to LSU, but as a Grad Assistant.
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Word is Marrow is back in town meeting with officials today and we could hear more by days end. I realize vince is a great recruiter , but we have to start earning some respect in conference play with wins. Name alone will not fix this dumpster fire Bo created
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Heard Monty is interviewing.
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Marrow met with YSU today and he decided to remain at Kentucky.
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Thanks for the update chief! Kinda figured it would turn out this way. The job just doesn't pay enough for him.
This is an aside to ask everyone, does anyone know if their will be other coaching changes once we find a new head coach?
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Thanks for the update chief! Kinda figured it would turn out this way. The job just doesn't pay enough for him.
This is an aside to ask everyone, does anyone know if their will be other coaching changes once we find a new head coach?
I would assume so but it just depends on who it is and how late in the spring it is.
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The new coach must be given complete freedom to choose his staff. Imposing assistants on a new head coach is a prescription for disaster. That being said, since it is so late it would not be shocking if the new guy decides to retain some members of Pelini's staff.
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Good source. Curt Mallory likely next head coach.
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Be careful with lower level coaches.... Ask the folks in Akron how they like their new head coach.
You can’t judge any coach by their first season. curt Mallory, who many on this board think is a decent candidate was also winless in his first season at Indiana State.
And Arth, Akron’s head coach came from UT Chattanooga, a d-1 school... yes he was at a d3 John Carroll before that, but kind of a stretch to call him a “lower level” coach.
My point is we should be more open to potential candidates... not less. There’s ZERO reason to not include coaches from lower divisions.
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But anyway... I think Mallory would be a great choice, Indiana State has been just as good as YSU over the past few years despite having far fewer resources, facilities etc. I like the idea of having someone who already understands FCS football and especially the MVFC, I don’t think Bo was quite prepared for how challenging the MVFC is...
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Don’t see nothing special here if Mallory. He had one good year and he beat us big deal. They lost do Dayton last year and if anything the season was mediocre and mirrored ours. Beat the real bad teams and had offensive struggles at times. But if him I will give him a chance. Don’t know his recruiting style etc. But I think he likes to run the ball.
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Go,
Mallory lost his quarterback in the first or second game and that tanked his season as he had no capable replacement. It would be better to judge him on 2018. He is interesting to me because Indiana State might be one of the very worst jobs in FCS. If he came here, he would be able to secure better players and many more of them.
There is no "slam dunk" choice. Everybody is a gamble. Tressel's legacy (the athletic part) is on the line with this selection. And he knows it.
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Go,
Mallory lost his quarterback in the first or second game and that tanked his season as he had no capable replacement. It would be better to judge him on 2018. He is interesting to me because Indiana State might be one of the very worst jobs in FCS. If he came here, he would be able to secure better players and many more of them.
There is no "slam dunk" choice. Everybody is a gamble. Tressel's legacy (the athletic part) is on the line with this selection. And he knows it.
This hire has no impact on Tressel’s legacy at Youngstown State at all! His athletic legacy here has already been sealed with his 4 National Championships. And his mission right now is SO MUCH BIGGER than the football program. He has done amazing things as President of the University and his impact on both the University and the area will be felt many years to come.
With that being said, my only hope with the next hire is that the Athletic Department does not feel any obligation to hire a local guy for the job. The recent hires in the other sports have been good so I’m hopeful we will finally get the right guy for the job. It will be interesting to see how much talent was truly left of the roster for the next guy. I’m concerned due to the recruiting record of our previous staff. I think, in the end, the Penguins were bailed out by LSU because change was needed, the culture of the program had gone bad.
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Did coach Nic- Mckissic Luke and Devin Jordan both leave the football program? Could not find them on athletic website
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Also appears the Offensive Line Coach and his Son are gone too.
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Don’t see nothing special here if Mallory. He had one good year and he beat us big deal. They lost do Dayton last year and if anything the season was mediocre and mirrored ours. Beat the real bad teams and had offensive struggles at times. But if him I will give him a chance. Don’t know his recruiting style etc. But I think he likes to run the ball.
YES last season pretty much mirror ours... which is a HUGE testament to coaching because I state doesn’t have the legacy, facilities, fan base etc. that we have. The fact that Mallory’s program was pretty much as good as Bos Over the last few years despite these challenges is impressive
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I think we need to keep perspective when comparing teams. Indiana State and YSU were equally as BAD not equally as GOOD. Both programs had horrible losses. Indiana State lost to Dayton and YSU to Butler the previous year. However, ISU beat YSU both years. I think its important to hire the right guy that can attract the right asst coaches.
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Don’t see nothing special here if Mallory. He had one good year and he beat us big deal. They lost do Dayton last year and if anything the season was mediocre and mirrored ours. Beat the real bad teams and had offensive struggles at times. But if him I will give him a chance. Don’t know his recruiting style etc. But I think he likes to run the ball.
Yea...and we lost to a lowly Butler with Pelini so...
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The one thing that stands out to me is Mallory was able to win 7 games in 2018 after going 0-11 his first year. If anyone needs a program turned around we certainly do. I also like the coaching experience he has had throughout the MAC and Big Ten even though it was mostly position related. He has been known to steal recruits from Ball State and Miami,Oh on a regular basis. Every time pelini went to the Hoosier to recruit he would always come back empty handed and the players he targeted picked the sycamores. I will support whoever as long as it isn't Carl
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D'Alesio is headed to LSU with Bo as a defensive analyst.
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LAUGHABLE... What else can u say? Some can play. Some can coach. He can do neither.
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LAUGHABLE... What else can u say? Some can play. Some can coach. He can do neither.
Top ten oost of this young year!!!
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Strollo did day long interviews in Canton this past Saturday. Could have a new coach soon.
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Good for D’Alesio, the D-line was the only consistent position group on the team throughout Pelini’s tenure and especially this past season.
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Good for D’Alesio, the D-line was the only consistent position group on the team throughout Pelini’s tenure and especially this past season.
Yes, that's true, but give me Rivers Moss, Smith, Reed, Cook et. al. and I'LL have a good DL! I'm with the unpaid job in LSU as the best for him.
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Indiana State's Curt Mallory is out. Said he was flattered, but not interested. I hope we don't have to settle for a coach and bring back Montgomery. He was a bust as a head coach.
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Strollo did day long interviews in Canton this past Saturday. Could have a new coach soon.
Based on this and your most recent post about Curt being out, who do you think we are getting? Any name not already mentioned here?
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Why Canton? Could they be considering Nate Moore H.C. of Massillon
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I am guessing.
YSU conducted many major searches/interviews (Deans, Provost..... VPs) at major regional airports such as PIT, CLE and CAK where applicants flown in.
Canton is the home of CAK.
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I’d rather lose every game in 2020 with any old interim coach off the street, so that we have proper time to find a real HC for the future, rather than find someone haphazardly last minute with a three year contract.
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Good for D’Alesio, the D-line was the only consistent position group on the team throughout Pelini’s tenure and especially this past season.
Yes, that's true, but give me Rivers Moss, Smith, Reed, Cook et. al. and I'LL have a good DL! I'm with the unpaid job in LSU as the best for him.
You're right about him having a lot of talent to work with, but it still was the only group that came to play week in and week out. It was going to be very difficult for any of his assistants to find good jobs this late into the offseason. I think many of his assistants will have trouble finding any jobs now because of how late it is and because many lacked any prior experience before coming here. Hopefully we have a better group of assistants this time around.
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Strollo did day long interviews in Canton this past Saturday. Could have a new coach soon.
Based on this and your most recent post about Curt being out, who do you think we are getting? Any name not already mentioned here?
Lou Holtz!
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Monty is definitely one of the names at the top of the list.
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Monty is definitely one of the names at the top of the list.
Any names on the top of the list that haven't been mentioned or ruled out yet?
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I’d rather lose every game in 2020 with any old interim coach off the street, so that we have proper time to find a real HC for the future, rather than find someone haphazardly last minute with a three year contract.
I agree with this. If we can't find anyone that we are truly happy with, an interim coach is a good solution. I could live with Carl on a one-year contract, with the stipulation that he must go 7-4 (5-3) minimum to even be considered for the full time job.
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Whether for one year, one month, or one day, Carl is not going to be the coach. He was told last week that he would not interview for the job. He was not among those interviewed in Canton.
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I add this as comic relief. Many of you will remember the banned poster who called himself Paladin. He is currently pontificating on a high school site called Yappi Football that has a thread about the YSU opening. He has stolen every scrap of information secured by chief, 1990, and others and presented it there as his own "findings." Still the consumate loser.
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If the INDY ST coach turned us down we have truly fallen to a near bottom feeder program. Very alarming! We don’t have the money to pay and we have lost our fan base. Our facilities are good but not elite.
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If the INDY ST coach turned us down we have truly fallen to a near bottom feeder program. Very alarming! We don’t have the money to pay and we have lost our fan base. Our facilities are good but not elite.
Could also be the fact that he’s from Indiana and doesn’t want to move his family again for basically a lateral move. Don’t think it categorizes is as a bottom feeder. He’d probably not be interested in coaching SDSU either
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Also appears the Offensive Line Coach and his Son are gone too.
Their names have been put back on..this could mean something
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I add this as comic relief. Many of you will remember the banned poster who called himself Paladin. He is currently pontificating on a high school site called Yappi Football that has a thread about the YSU opening. He has stolen every scrap of information secured by chief, 1990, and others and presented it there as his own "findings." Still the consumate loser.
He's a clown.
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One name I keep hearing is Tim Tyrell.
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One name I keep hearing is Tim Tyrell.
Isn’t he a high school coach? We’re too good to interview the top notch D3 coach in our backyard but we’re looking at high school coaches now?
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One name I keep hearing is Tim Tyrell.
Also I’m not directing that at you ytown chief, just know you’re relaying info
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One name I keep hearing is Tim Tyrell.
Isn’t he a high school coach? We’re too good to interview the top notch D3 coach in our backyard but we’re looking at high school coaches now?
Yep, just relaying what I'm hearing. Turned Akron Hoban into a power with recruiting and he is an Ursuline grad and played for YSU during the championship years in the 90's and also coached here after he graduated under JT.
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If the INDY ST coach turned us down we have truly fallen to a near bottom feeder program. Very alarming! We don’t have the money to pay and we have lost our fan base. Our facilities are good but not elite.
Could also be the fact that he’s from Indiana and doesn’t want to move his family again for basically a lateral move. Don’t think it categorizes is as a bottom feeder. He’d probably not be interested in coaching SDSU either
Nice post
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YSU is not the draw everyone thinks it is. The program peaked in the 90's and that's as good as it will get let's be honest. Heck, even Stambaugh isn't a top 10 stadium in FCS anymore.
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I'm not buying the Tim Tyrrell rumor. I think we will be pleasantly surprised with the final choice. It's a good sign there has hardly been any leaks so far.
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I'm not buying the Tim Tyrrell rumor. I think we will be pleasantly surprised with the final choice. It's a good sign there has hardly been any leaks so far.
Speculation or know something?
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I could see Bob Davie being hired. He and New Mexico parted ways. He has some health issues (I think heart issues) and the Clevland Clinic is one of the best (if not the best in America) for heart problems..
He isn't likely being chased down with job offers and he is an alumnus that may even desire health care coverage.
Just complete speculation on my part but I don't see us getting a proven commodity with our price point. As I've said before you get what you pay for. Sometimes you get lucky but the odds are against you.
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Mike Stoops?
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I think what chief heard on Tim Tyrrell is accurate. That he interviewed the best and had the best plan for the program. Tyrrell now the favorite. I am not an insider, I get my info from someone who works in athletics, and he usually is spot on.
He said Mallory likes Indiana State and if he ever left it would be for FBS, also said that Zordich came with no plan or vision, and that Montgomery's interview was fine, but that Strollo and Tressel prefer to move on from the Wolford and Pelini era. He also said Montgomery wants the job badly, that he is blowing up donors and boosters phones here in town.
I for one don't think this is a quick fix. The best teams in our conference are young(other than Illinois State last year, they had many seniors) and this will be a process. We lost league games by 39,35, and 25.
I don't have any other names.
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I add this as comic relief. Many of you will remember the banned poster who called himself Paladin. He is currently pontificating on a high school site called Yappi Football that has a thread about the YSU opening. He has stolen every scrap of information secured by chief, 1990, and others and presented it there as his own "findings." Still the consumate loser.
He's a clown.
On a good day (there were some, just not enough) Paladin stimulated conversation and diverse thought, but he was such a hater the choice to ban was the right one. He was, by any measure, a loser!
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Heard the same about Tyrel. Front runner.
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I add this as comic relief. Many of you will remember the banned poster who called himself Paladin. He is currently pontificating on a high school site called Yappi Football that has a thread about the YSU opening. He has stolen every scrap of information secured by chief, 1990, and others and presented it there as his own "findings." Still the consumate loser.
He's a clown.
On a good day (there were some, just not enough) Paladin stimulated conversation and diverse thought, but he was such a hater the choice to ban was the right one. He was, by any measure, a loser!
A loser? Geez.
BTW, aren't you the guy who called a 15 year old child who was raped a "sl*t"?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820393-nebraskas-maurice-washington-faces-revenge-porn-charges-for-sending-video
http://ysupenguins.com/forum/index.php/topic,18978.msg105046.html#msg105046
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Let's be real..Any coach could look great at Hoban, LaSalle or Massillon with the way they recruit. For what it's worth the coaches at LaSalle and Massillon are better then Tyrrel. Remember the time Gerry Faust left mighty Cincinnati moeller to coach the Irish? That didn't go so well and the university looked like fools..this will be know different if they hire Tyrrel. Certainly didn't see Tyrrel and Hoban send any recruits our way in recent memory. Hopefully Strollo and J.T. will do the right thing here and get a polished or upcoming coach that has experience from the MAC or other lower level FBS programs
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Anyone hear or know what the timeline is, or if there is a timeline?
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Fever, all indications are that Tyrrell will be the next coach. It is a gamble regardless what direction they go. You never know with this. God rest Joe Malmisur's soul, but he wanted Gerry Faust in 1985, and had to settled for Jim Tressel, it worked out well.
We are not going to get coaches from the FBS level to come here, assistants at FBS for the most part make more money than we pay as a head coach. Eric Wolford makes 600 K as offensive line coach at South Carolina, that is more than double what we pay.
I hear he will be introduced on Saturday.
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Let's be real..Any coach could look great at Hoban, LaSalle or Massillon with the way they recruit. For what it's worth the coaches at LaSalle and Massillon are better then Tyrrel. Remember the time Gerry Faust left mighty Cincinnati moeller to coach the Irish? That didn't go so well and the university looked like fools..this will be know different if they hire Tyrrel. Certainly didn't see Tyrrel and Hoban send any recruits our way in recent memory. Hopefully Strollo and J.T. will do the right thing here and get a polished or upcoming coach that has experience from the MAC or other lower level FBS programs
I definitely see you point, Fever, and remember the Faust fiasco very well. One difference here is that when Tyrrell arrived at Hoban, the football program was nothing special, the weak step-brother to SVSM. Tyrrell recruited the best players in metro Akron, then extended his reach all across northeastern Ohio. He turned Hoban into a monster, in some years the best high school program in the state regardless of classification. I figure if he could induce the parents of 8th graders to allow their son to commute over 40 miles to play for him at Hoban, he could persuade 12th graders to play for him at YSU. And his recruiting would be legal. ::)
Would he be the best choice? Perhaps given our financial constraints. If it happens, I am going to defer to Tressel's judgment. As I mentioned before, he does not want to retire from the presidency with the football program in shatters.
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To say that Faust failed going to an FBS major program at Notre Dame so we shouldn't hire Tyrrel is like saying since Jimmy Carter was the worst POTUS of the 20th century we should never elect another Democratic president.........well maybe not the best example, but you get my point.
You are guilty of very faulty logic. MANY great coaches started in high school before moving to college. Pick the right guy, you will be rewarded, pick wrong and you won't, but to hang in on Jerry Faust is silly.
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Per football scoop, other candidates who have interviewed besides the ones mentioned here are Don Treadwell, Doug Phillips and Mike Sullivan.
I believe it's down to Tyrrell and Monty.
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Michigan State coach Mark Dantonio stepping down after 13 seasons now available to take the JOB :angel:
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Per football scoop, other candidates who have interviewed besides the ones mentioned here are Don Treadwell, Doug Phillips and Mike Sullivan.
I believe it's down to Tyrrell and Monty.
Don't count out Lou!
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I add this as comic relief. Many of you will remember the banned poster who called himself Paladin. He is currently pontificating on a high school site called Yappi Football that has a thread about the YSU opening. He has stolen every scrap of information secured by chief, 1990, and others and presented it there as his own "findings." Still the consumate loser.
He's a clown.
On a good day (there were some, just not enough) Paladin stimulated conversation and diverse thought, but he was such a hater the choice to ban was the right one. He was, by any measure, a loser!
A loser? Geez.
BTW, aren't you the guy who called a 15 year old child who was raped a "sl*t"?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2820393-nebraskas-maurice-washington-faces-revenge-porn-charges-for-sending-video
http://ysupenguins.com/forum/index.php/topic,18978.msg105046.html#msg105046
Yes. I suppose you believe you can't be a sl*t and 15 at the same time? It should be noted the player involved here was NOT involved in the act, NOR was he involved in the filming NOR was he present. He received a text, and he forwarded it, which he should NOT have done. But he is hardly a rapist.
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From what I heard from my guy today, it looks like Tyrrell is a done deal.
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One thing I can't help but note in this process. At the beginning of this thread, it read like we wouldn't get any qualified applicants because of the money, and in the end, it looks like approx. a dozen guys who each had very good points on their resumes were interested. Hope the best man got the job, but only time will tell. Seems funny or ironic or whatever, but it looks like the high school guy may get the job because he has demonstrated the best recruiting, which is against the rules in HS, isn't it?
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It comes down to money.
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Program needs ENERGY and maybe he is the right guy at the right time. My concern would be the supporting staff.
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Done deal, Tyrrell. YSU trying to hold off til
Saturday for announcement.
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Why hold off? Tomorrow is the second signing period..maybe we can get a steal
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I didn’t want it to be true but it indeed is. It’s a huge risk for the Athletic Department but I’ll give him a chance. Hopefully he can turn his vision into reality.
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Program needs ENERGY and maybe he is the right guy at the right time. My concern would be the supporting staff.
Assuming this is true, goodnews has highlighted Tyrrell's most appealing feature and also his potential weakness. We need passion, zeal, and energy. Someone with a burning desire to win. He stretched the laws and broke them with his recruiting at Hoban yet managed to keep ahead of the OHSAA rule enforcers. I have no concerns about clashes with the NCAA because all the illegal recruiting he did at Hoban just prepared him for what is to come on the college level....legally.
On to goodnews' second point, how to put in place assistant coaches that are well-versed in the college game? Do we have the funds to surround him with capable veterans? I doubt it. Just as we are gambling on Tyrrell, we must take a leap of faith and give unproven coaches their opportunities.
Exciting times. If there was ever a high risk/potential high reward hire, this is it.
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Definitely a risk but JT has wanted Tyrrell back on campus for awhile now. He had a lot to do with this getting done.
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I remember Tim from living on campus back in 93-97 as most of us back then were student athletes until Cafaro was built. Although a high school coach you could compare the programs he worked for to be almost D3 in college terms maybe higher? Hopefully, this Ursuline disciple works out better then the previous one. The other candidates weren't overwhelmingly exciting but certainly safer.
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This guy seem more in line with a college coach at 1FCS!
Treadwell, now at Michigan State, previously served as running-backs coach and offensive coordinator at YSU. He also spent time as an assistant at Miami-Ohio, Cincinnati, Stanford, Boston College, North Carolina State and Kent State.
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Seriously we play in the toughest conference in FCS and we are hiring a HS coach. You guys are ok with this. The media needs to ask why. How is he better than Montgomery or any other proven college coach.
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We just had a proven college coach and it didn't work. All the other guys are just journey men who had assistant jobs because of Tressel. I believe those other guys would've been complacent just like Bo. Time will tell the truth.
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Seriously we play in the toughest conference in FCS and we are hiring a HS coach. You guys are ok with this. The media needs to ask why. How is he better than Montgomery or any other proven college coach.
Monty was a train wreck as a HC.
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Seriously we play in the toughest conference in FCS and we are hiring a HS coach. You guys are ok with this. The media needs to ask why. How is he better than Montgomery or any other proven college coach.
May be this is the low cost option that we could afford.
I could not afford a Cadillac on my YSU salary, so I drive a Chevy. Lol
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Tyrell is a done deal then? So I heard tressel wanted him, how does that everyone else feel about the hire? Big jump from high school to FCS
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Seriously we play in the toughest conference in FCS and we are hiring a HS coach. You guys are ok with this. The media needs to ask why. How is he better than Montgomery or any other proven college coach.
May be this is the low cost option that we could afford.
I could not afford a Cadillac on my YSU salary, so I drive a Chevy. Lol
I hope the hire is not just for money reasons but assuming that it is not I would guess that he would not cost as much as the others. That said it would stand to reason that there would be more money for a stronger staff.
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IMO...we have had three straight busts in 20 years. All with FCS, FBS, and NFL resumes. How has that worked out for us? I mean, we aren’t replacing Tressel or Bohl or Meyer or an “All Time” HC? We are trying to get out of the damn gutter. If Tyrell doesn’t work out...oh well. I mean...I know it CAN get worse than what we’ve had but unfortunately...not by much.
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So again how is a HC coach have any of the qualifications in running a Div 1 program. The Bison and other conference members are laughing their ass of and penciling in another 4 wins. How is the HC coach better than a coach who coordinated pro football offenses and asst coaches that have recruited nationally. Our program is on fumes and this could just redline us out of D1 football. Sigh
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So again how is a HC coach have any of the qualifications in running a Div 1 program. The Bison and other conference members are laughing their a$$ of and penciling in another 4 wins. How is the HC coach better than a coach who coordinated pro football offenses and asst coaches that have recruited nationally. Our program is on fumes and this could just redline us out of D1 football. Sigh
With you on all your thoughts and concerns. This program will not come close to 4 wins. It's going to get ugly real quick and it starts with Akron, the zips are going to humiliate us
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If he gets stuck with Bo's assistants you are probably right. Its safe to say this guy knows talent and can relate to the kids of today. If he can recruit Ohio, Western PA and get back to South Florida he will be able to billed what the last three coaches couldn't. He can dream and so can we. Its a huge gamble but exciting at the same time. If Crenshaw is a done deal he has something to build upon.
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Worth sharing this posting from Cleveland.com when he was hired at Hoban:
“Tyrrell returns to Northeast Ohio after spending five season as head coach at Chaminade-Madonna College Prep in Hollywood, Fla. Tyrrell amassed a 39-18 record at Chaminade-Madonna, including a 13-1 record and trip to the state semifinals in his second season.
He was named South Florida coach of the year by the Miami Herald and South Florida Sun Sentinel in 2009 and district coach of the year in 2009, 2011, and 2012.
Tyrrell was the head coach at Louisville St. Thomas Aquinas for seven seasons. He also served as tight ends/tackles coach at Youngstown State from 1991-2001.
Tyrrell graduated from Youngstown Ursuline and Youngstown State, where he was a member of the 1993, 1994, and 1997 Division I-AA National Championship teams.“
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Starting to wonder if he was headed to YSU as a coordinator prior to Bo resigning? Just seems too coincidental.
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Financial restrictions are an obstacle that we cannot avoid. Given that context, it looks like it came down to hiring one of two recycled head coaches with poor records (Montgomery and Treadwell at Miami) or gambling on a radical new approach. If Tressel was not at YSU, this decision would freak me out. But I will support the call of the guy in town who knows a hundred times more about football coaching than any of us on this site.
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Worth sharing this posting from Cleveland.com when he was hired at Hoban:
“Tyrrell returns to Northeast Ohio after spending five season as head coach at Chaminade-Madonna College Prep in Hollywood, Fla. Tyrrell amassed a 39-18 record at Chaminade-Madonna, including a 13-1 record and trip to the state semifinals in his second season.
He was named South Florida coach of the year by the Miami Herald and South Florida Sun Sentinel in 2009 and district coach of the year in 2009, 2011, and 2012.
Tyrrell was the head coach at Louisville St. Thomas Aquinas for seven seasons. He also served as tight ends/tackles coach at Youngstown State from 1991-2001.
Tyrrell graduated from Youngstown Ursuline and Youngstown State, where he was a member of the 1993, 1994, and 1997 Division I-AA National Championship teams.“
Somethings not quite right with this bio... he was a coach from 91-2001? But was also on the 93 94 and 97 championship teams?
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Those of you who are putting all of your faith in Tressel, remember a couple of things...first, he was responsible for Bo coming here. How did that work out? Second, for all of the accomplishments that are public, the state of YSU as an organization under his leadership, has been mixed at best. There is plenty of money at YSU. Like all organizations, they cry poor when they dont want to do something and find the money for what they want to do. If he is such a great fund raiser, and the rich powerful alums are behind a particular person, money can be had to subsidize a coach and staff for the term of the contract.
If you want to give him credit for recruiting a HS coach and the coach is successful, great. If its another bust, dont blame Strollo, its on him.
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I enjoy the conversation both ways on the hiring of Tim Tyrrell. Thats what I enjoy most about this site, that we can agree to disagree, and there is a place for YSU fans to have discussion.
Without question this hire is a risk, and it is Tressel's hire, however he will be long gone when we determined if Tyrrell is successful; so Strollo will get the praise of criticism. The safe way would have been Treadwell or Montgomery. I think Montgomery would have been a disaster. I like the risk, and only time will tell on the success.
As for Tressel, he is God like in this community, but he has his scars as well. Without question, a great football coach. Mixed results in hiring as an AD here at YSU. He put together a committee several years ago to hire a basketball coach, most of the committee nixed John Robic, but he did what he wanted and hired Robic, who was a bust. If you are going to do what you want anyway, don't put together a fraud committee. Tressel has had issues with following the rules. Ray Isaac getting paid to do nothing by Mickey Monus was orchestrated by Tressel and his lying to the NCAA cost him his job at Ohio State.
But back to Tyrrell, he needs our support, and we need to give him a chance, he is one of our own.
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Worth sharing this posting from Cleveland.com when he was hired at Hoban:
“Tyrrell returns to Northeast Ohio after spending five season as head coach at Chaminade-Madonna College Prep in Hollywood, Fla. Tyrrell amassed a 39-18 record at Chaminade-Madonna, including a 13-1 record and trip to the state semifinals in his second season.
He was named South Florida coach of the year by the Miami Herald and South Florida Sun Sentinel in 2009 and district coach of the year in 2009, 2011, and 2012.
Tyrrell was the head coach at Louisville St. Thomas Aquinas for seven seasons. He also served as tight ends/tackles coach at Youngstown State from 1991-2001.
Tyrrell graduated from Youngstown Ursuline and Youngstown State, where he was a member of the 1993, 1994, and 1997 Division I-AA National Championship teams.“
Somethings not quite right with this bio... he was a coach from 91-2001? But was also on the 93 94 and 97 championship teams?
Asked my buddy who was on the championship teams in 93 and 94, and he stated he was a player coach from 1991 to 1994, then stayed on as a coach and he graduated.
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We should have seen the handwriting on the wall when Bo's contract was renewed. It's pretty clear of the favoritism that exists in and around the valley. Bo showed his true colors with the assembly of his inexperienced coaching staff and awarding scholarship's to Mooney players that had know business being on the field. It got so bad at the end of last year he had to do the right thing swallow his pride and replace his linebackers. This latest hire ( If true) is nothing more then J.T. showing his loyalty to a former player. He could care less if it works out or not because his legacy is cemented either way
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I heard nothing has been decided down to 3 choices.
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The team will be told later this afternoon that Tim Tyrrell is their new coach. YSU was hopeful to keep this quiet until Saturday, and that did not happen. They want the players to know as soon as possible.
Also the other candidates have been informed they are not the choice.
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Calhoun was complaining on his radio show Monday that he was unhappy that word leaked out about his hire at YSU before the D2 championship game. Premature revelations are unfortunate but inevitable in this era of social media.
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Calhoun was complaining on his radio show Monday that he was unhappy that word leaked out about his hire at YSU before the D2 championship game. Premature revelations are unfortunate but inevitable in this era of social media.
Can't even keep TS national security issues under wraps LOL!
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Tyrrell Meeting team today.
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If true on Tyrell ... MAJOR disappointment for a pick as a head-coach.
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If true on Tyrell ... MAJOR disappointment for a pick as a head-coach.
I understand your concern but look at it this way... Tyrell is the only candidate who actually built programs into powerhouses. The other guys were are just assistants who didn’t have to build anything. Even Bo didn’t have any experience building a program into something great. Also he’s gonna be able to relate to this generation much better than an old school type like Bo or Shane.
Yes HS to D1 is one helleva leap. But he does have d1 experience so it’s not like he will be blindsided by how everything works.
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If true on Tyrell ... MAJOR disappointment for a pick as a head-coach.
I understand your concern but look at it this way... Tyrell is the only candidate who actually built programs into powerhouses. The other guys were are just assistants who didn’t have to build anything. Even Bo didn’t have any experience building a program into something great. Also he’s gonna be able to relate to this generation much better than an old school type like Bo or Shane.
Yes HS to D1 is one helleva leap. But he does have d1 experience so it’s not like he will be blindsided by how everything works.
Well said. I'd rather give him a shot than hire a retread that 's already bombed before as a HC.
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If money is impacting YSU Athletics that much, the AD needs to figure out a way to raise money. I don't care about the tennis courts and the complex on 5th Ave. I graduated in 98 and they were discussing that back then.
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If true on Tyrell ... MAJOR disappointment for a pick as a head-coach.
I never doubted any of the reports from chief or others about this being true on Tyrell. Yesterday I had confirmation from a source of my own that this is indeed accurate.
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If true on Tyrell ... MAJOR disappointment for a pick as a head-coach.
As opposed to Monty who was already a failure as a head coach?
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If true I am somewhat surprised by the pick. not saying that I am upset with the pick, just surprised.
As someone else mentioned we have tried head coaches and assistants with limited success. I am excited to see how it plays out, maybe he will make JT look like a rookie.
Guessing he will be hungry and full of energy. As a hs coach he sure should be able to relate to the youth of today and maybe that will help in the recruiting.
I think that the key will be the coaching staff he puts together.
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People fail and succeed if given a chance. Walt Disney filed bankruptcy early in life. The HC for the Seattle Seahawks was horrible in his first HC job. Saban was a failure at Miami. Bill B of the Pats wasn’t he fired too. So you bs about Montgomery is just your opinion. He is a respected coach at a top notch FCS school. But u think. HC coach that recruits eighth graders is a better hire. Again We will be a homecoming patsy for all our conference members. If this guy was so great why wouldn’t other schools try to hire him.
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People fail and succeed if given a chance. Walt Disney filed bankruptcy early in life. The HC for the Seattle Seahawks was horrible in his first HC job. Saban was a failure at Miami. Bill B of the Pats wasn’t he fired too. So you bs about Montgomery is just your opinion. He is a respected coach at a top notch FCS school. But u think. HC coach that recruits eighth graders is a better hire. Again We will be a homecoming patsy for all our conference members. If this guy was so great why wouldn’t other schools try to hire him.
Comparing those guys to Monty, wow lol. How many others got 2nd chances and they just aren't HC material?
Well respected??? Still hanging onto the coat tails of Big Ben makes him well respected? So respected that he went and coached at Charlotte???? His offense doesn't win championships and it's been proven over and over again.
I'm not saying Tyrrell is a slam dunk hire and will work out but I am a YSU fan and I'm damn sure not going to slam the hire and the guy before he is even announced as head coach. You are a part of the problem in this piss poor community.
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When Montgomery was the offensive coordinator here, was he not heavily criticized by a significant numbers of posters? Was there not considerable rejoicing when he finally left? Now it is a tragedy that he was not brought back as the head coach? I am really confused. :-\
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When Montgomery was the offensive coordinator here, was he not heavily criticized by a significant numbers of posters? Was there not considerable rejoicing when he finally left? Now it is a tragedy that he was not brought back as the head coach? I am really confused. :-\
You pretty much nailed it!
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Okay, so quick note about Monty. I’m not a fan, but hes a good offensive coordinator, especially for FCS. It’s hard to argue that he’s not at least pretty good.
The bigger issue is that he was also our QB coach, but I saw very little QB development during his tenure. We didn’t recruit great quarterbacks, we tended to recruit good athletes who could throw. None of our quarterbacks seemed to really improve from year to year, they all seemed to stay pretty stagnant. Hunter wells was O.K. But with his arm he really should have become one of the better QBs in our conference. Then look at Mays, and Rickie Davis, two great athletes who just didn’t seem well coached when it came to reading defenses, making good throws, learning to slide instead of taking big hits etc.
I also don’t see any change coming with Monty. Sure if we hire him he’ll probably go 7-4, 8-3, 6-5.... but I don’t see him changing the culture or Turning the program around.
With Tyrell, we’ll probably get a 3-8 and a 4-7 season but maybe we go 9-2 after that.
As a fan I’m willing to take a risk rather than take the safe option and stay in mid MVFC limbo.
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I disagree that I am part of the problem. I still haven’t heard why he deserved to get this job. I can’t support this hire but I am still a fan and alumni. This type of hire is and looks like a reach and desperate. Plus if shows we don’t have the money to get a quality college coach. As your bs comments about Montgomery again pure your opinion. If he sucked why did a top FCS program hire him. He is respected by his peers. My bet he gets back to the championship game quicker than we do.,
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I disagree that I am part of the problem. I still haven’t heard why he deserved to get this job. I can’t support this hire but I am still a fan and alumni. This type of hire is and looks like a reach and desperate. Plus if shows we don’t have the money to get a quality college coach. As your bs comments about Montgomery again pure your opinion. If he sucked why did a top FCS program hire him. He is respected by his peers. My bet he gets back to the championship game quicker than we do.,
If you were responding to me, you may have misunderstood. . I said he was good! Not that he sucked, I just don’t think he develops quarterbacks very well, which kinda screwed up our program for a few years. And I don’t think he would change our culture.
My opinion is that he’s low risk low reward while Tyrell is high risk high reward
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No I was responding to chief sorry. I guess what bothers me is teams like Indy ST and WIU with little Capital and substandard resources and facilities could get a college experienced coach. But the best we could do is a HS coach. Just plain don’t understand! I guess in 3 years we will know.
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Tyrell’s qualification is that he is willing to work for the absurdly low salary paid here. It’s a step up for him. If the university insists on running a bare bones athletic department they should drop all sports to D II.
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Tyrell’s qualification is that he is willing to work for the absurdly low salary paid here. It’s a step up for him. If the university insists on running a bare bones athletic department they should drop all sports to D II.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
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No I was responding to chief sorry. I guess what bothers me is teams like Indy ST and WIU with little Capital and substandard resources and facilities could get a college experienced coach. But the best we could do is a HS coach. Just plain don’t understand! I guess in 3 years we will know.
Don’t forget he was an assistant coach here before coaching high school. if his resume was reversed would you be as upset?
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You rip on this hire, go talk to your boy JT. He is the one who got this done. This is his guy.
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People fail and succeed if given a chance. Walt Disney filed bankruptcy early in life. The HC for the Seattle Seahawks was horrible in his first HC job. Saban was a failure at Miami. Bill B of the Pats wasn’t he fired too. So you bs about Montgomery is just your opinion. He is a respected coach at a top notch FCS school. But u think. HC coach that recruits eighth graders is a better hire. Again We will be a homecoming patsy for all our conference members. If this guy was so great why wouldn’t other schools try to hire him.
Comparing those guys to Monty, wow lol. How many others got 2nd chances and they just aren't HC material?
Well respected??? Still hanging onto the coat tails of Big Ben makes him well respected? So respected that he went and coached at Charlotte???? His offense doesn't win championships and it's been proven over and over again.
I'm not saying Tyrrell is a slam dunk hire and will work out but I am a YSU fan and I'm damn sure not going to slam the hire and the guy before he is even announced as head coach. You are a part of the problem in this piss poor community.
I love Chief. I just love him.
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So whats the status of the 3rd rate assistants? Who stays and who goes?
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Look lots of justification posts here. If the resume was reversed I would certainly be disappointed. This guy is pushing 60. When he left here he was not moving up, Pete was more qualified to be OC.
If hired: Here is why:
1. He was an assistant for several years under Tressel.
2. He can recruit NE Ohio.
3. He comes on the cheap.
4. He did a stint as a prep coach in Florida and may be able to recruit there & he is used to coaching trash.
5. He was a player rep, so he may still have some NFL recognition.
However, we are not Mt. Union. We are YOUNGSTOWN. A former NATIONAL power. We recruit in every state. We do not have the cash for big assistants that might provide a national footprint ... so our head-coach has to have this. This guy clearly does not.
He does not have a trail of assistants to bring along.
He may have coached under Tressel, but the game does not even resemble those days & Tyrell has not even been in college coaching for the past 20-years. Let alone DI team. Sure he can succeed with time, so can anyone.
Bring the guy in and groom him to replace Strollo ...might be a good risk. run your football program? Unless he a puppet coach for JT, this is too large of a risk for me.
I have to trust my administration. I trust that they saved enough money with this hire to entice Montgomery back as OC.
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Look lots of justification posts here. If the resume was reversed I would certainly be disappointed. This guy is pushing 60. When he left here he was not moving up, Pete was more qualified to be OC.
If hired: Here is why:
1. He was an assistant for several years under Tressel.
2. He can recruit NE Ohio.
3. He comes on the cheap.
4. He did a stint as a prep coach in Florida and may be able to recruit there & he is used to coaching trash.
5. He was a player rep, so he may still have some NFL recognition.
However, we are not Mt. Union. We are YOUNGSTOWN. A former NATIONAL power. We recruit in every state. We do not have the cash for big assistants that might provide a national footprint ... so our head-coach has to have this. This guy clearly does not.
He does not have a trail of assistants to bring along.
He may have coached under Tressel, but the game does not even resemble those days & Tyrell has not even been in college coaching for the past 20-years. Let alone DI team. Sure he can succeed with time, so can anyone.
Bring the guy in and groom him to replace Strollo ...might be a good risk. run your football program? Unless he a puppet coach for JT, this is too large of a risk for me.
I have to trust my administration. I trust that they saved enough money with this hire to entice Montgomery back as OC.
What a racist statement, wow. Do yourself a favor and stop commenting on "your own" site.
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I couldn’t agree more. There is something wrong with this guy.
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Grow up and discuss the topic. The mere fact that you consider the word "trash" to be a racist statement shows just how racist you are. FYI, most of the trash in Florida has white skin, as do I. As does much of Broward County. I am merely giving you reasons why a hire like this could possibly be made. Chaminade is in Broward County. You either live in Miami, or the Everglades. Here is the first sentence of the the school's mission statement: "Chaminade-Madonna seeks to provide a safe and family-oriented environment where students can learn and mature into caring leaders in our society." If you have to address safety right off the top...draw your own conclusion.
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Grow up and discuss the topic. The mere fact that you consider the word "trash" to be a racist statement shows just how racist you are. FYI, most of the trash in Florida has white skin, as do I. I am merely giving you reasons why a hire like this could possibly be made. Chaminade is in Broward County. You either live in Miami, or the Everglades. Here is the first sentence of the the school's mission statement: "Chaminade-Madonna seeks to provide a safe and family-oriented environment where students can learn and mature into caring leaders in our society." If you have to address safety right off the top...draw your own conclusion.
I mean, regardless of racial implications. I’m concerned with anyone calling children “trash” in general. Kinda mean-spirited to refer to someone growing up in a less than ideal neighborhood as “trash”.
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YSUGO, you are both comical and delusional. Anyone who thinks Montgomery deserved to be the head coach is not looking at the big picture. He was 17-31 as a head coach at Miami, including a pair of 2-10 seasons. Terry Hoeppner the coach prior to Montgomery had 7 straight winning seasons before leaving for Indiana. Montgomery took a winning program and ran it into the gutter.
He did a good job at YSU under Wolford. As for James Madison he walked into a perfect situation, they were loaded with offensive talent, a veteran QB and offensive minded head coach. James Madison and ND State were so much better than anyone in FCS, I think even without the great Shane Montgomery that JMU would have been in the title game.
Montgomery is a good assistant coach, he showed nothing as a head coach, zero. He is like Jon Heacock, but not as good as Heacock. Being an assistant is where he belongs, not running the entire program.
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YSUGO, you are both comical and delusional. Anyone who thinks Montgomery deserved to be the head coach is not looking at the big picture. He was 17-31 as a head coach at Miami, including a pair of 2-10 seasons. Terry Hoeppner the coach prior to Montgomery had 7 straight winning seasons before leaving for Indiana. Montgomery took a winning program and ran it into the gutter.
He did a good job at YSU under Wolford. As for James Madison he walked into a perfect situation, they were loaded with offensive talent, a veteran QB and offensive minded head coach. James Madison and ND State were so much better than anyone in FCS, I think even without the great Shane Montgomery that JMU would have been in the title game.
Montgomery is a good assistant coach, he showed nothing as a head coach, zero. He is like Jon Heacock, but not as good as Heacock. Being an assistant is where he belongs, not running the entire program.
Heacock did not get the $$ support and facilities Bo and Wolf got but his teams were equally as good. I'd say Heacock is a better HC than Bo or Wolf.
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Chief or 1990,
Does anyone know when the university plans to make an official announcement. We have known it since Tuesday, the players know it, and yet silence from the media. This will be really strange if they wait until Saturday to make the formal announcement at the banquet or basketball games.
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I am hearing Saturday for sure. Don't know when or where.
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Grow up and discuss the topic. The mere fact that you consider the word "trash" to be a racist statement shows just how racist you are. FYI, most of the trash in Florida has white skin, as do I. As does much of Broward County. I am merely giving you reasons why a hire like this could possibly be made. Chaminade is in Broward County. You either live in Miami, or the Everglades. Here is the first sentence of the the school's mission statement: "Chaminade-Madonna seeks to provide a safe and family-oriented environment where students can learn and mature into caring leaders in our society." If you have to address safety right off the top...draw your own conclusion.
So he got hired because he can relate to the "trash" kids? Got it. You need serious help mentally.
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Not sure about an announcement Wick.... Not sure what the hold up is.
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Chief ...attack all you want; your justifications still fall far short. I am the only one on the board looking at reason why such poor move could be made. I mean tell me a college football reason, besides being here almost 20-years ago. Gee any assistants showing success at the collegiate level? When you run down to Florida to bring a recruit up here, "it ain't for an education". It is to play ball. It is a completely different mindset than catching a local recruit with a partial to try an get his degree.
The only reason you need to say as to why you would hire Montgomery comes from the YSU record book. Recent experience. Also, to say that he could not coach a QB? Just take a look in our record book at all of the relevant stats for QBs. They are all held by Montgomery-coached QB's. Again attacking the messenger does not negate the message. You are scratching your head just as hard as the rest of us.
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Doug Phillips got the job.
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What is going on???
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SAFE, INEXPERIENCED and CHEAP......
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Well, what a dumpster fire this has become. The usual.
Tyrrell was going to be the choice but from what I can gather, he wanted more money, especially to bring in certain assistants that would've cost more. Certain people in charge did not like that idea trying to go the cheapest route possible.
Phillips is a Youngstown boy and another close guy to JT and will be the new coach.
Nothing like going from a HC coach to a guy who wasn't even coaching football and was superintendent of West Branch high school for a few years lol. Yikes. What an abysmal hire.
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Heard a certain billionaire from the area backed him...read between the lines...2001-05...
COACHING CAREER
YEAR: SCHOOL - POSITION
1991-92: Youngstown State - Graduate Assistant
1997-2000: Springfield Local HS - Head Coach
2001-05: Salem HS - Head Coach
2006: Ohio State - Quality Control (Defense)
2007-08: Bowling Green - DE/Recruiting Coord.
2016: Iowa State - Director of Player Personnel
2017: Cincinnati - Special Teams Coordinator/Tight Ends
2018-: Cincinnati - Running Backs
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Per usual, certain boosters get what they want in this town.
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So who wss the booster! Why is it a secret?
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I don't know for sure, never did know, but based on the cryptic posts from Peteonastick, I think I know.
That description seems to me to point a very specific person.
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I have no clue
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SEBO?
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SEBO?
Bingo
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SEBO?
Bingo
The payroll service firm guy?
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So Is this guy bankrolling the program the next few years?
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Or renovating Stambaugh? Unless u have donated 7 figures to the university u shldnt have a voice. So the donor is a graduate of BGSU which explains why he had a joh there for 1 year. Wow! This is UNREAL.