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YSU Penguin Athletics => YSU Penguin Athletics => Topic started by: lakesbison on October 27, 2019, 11:26:18 PM
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#1 NDSU coming to town, I'm not going to post our accolades after our last 2 games, as they have been questionable at best. We demand excellence!!
We had a great time tailgating with you guys 4 years ago, but can't make it.
YSU and BO will be fired up for this game and will come to play.
what you guys thinking?
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Our season ended before November....once again....with humiliation in Carbondale eight days ago. Few really expect to win another game this season, and many are angry over the bleak future for this program. You can name your score next Saturday.
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nice try. Pelini will have the penquins ready to fight. cmon now.
Youngstown has pride, lets chat it out my man!
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Lake:
Leaning a bit toward Wick myself. If we do not win out (giving us a total of 3 ranked wins if ILS stays up there), I do not want to go to the post-season. We would just be a lame-duck entry. The best we can finish is #4 in the conference, so it looks like 3 teams from the MVFC this year as there will be a clear distinction if we loose this Saturday. However, it is quite possible that we could make it with 4-losses and I just do not want that. IMO, if you cannot demonstrate any dominance in your conference, you should not be selected to the post-season.
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Lake,
The loss at SIU has left a bitter taste with the fans. Granted we lost to a higher ranked UNI in their garage and had SDSU on the ropes at home until a total meltdown and coaching debacle in the second half. Our pumpkin schedule at the beginning of the season always gives false hopes to conference play. We get exposed on the road and have a tendency to blow the big games at home. We do play the Bison tough though. Our secondary is vulnerable to say the least and our O line gave up 9 sacks to SIU?? If there are no playoffs this year I see season tix sales dropping like leaves in the fall and pressure on the AD to pull the trigger on Pelini. We went to the NC on Wolford's players and the last several years have been mediocre at best. If it comes down to the ISUr game at the end of the season then we have been down that road before and were destroyed 35-0 two years ago. I don't see it happening this year.
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Honestly I did not expect much this year. For me, the false hope came from seeing the offense start running a real offense. An offense similar to the previous OC & the players are used to it. The defense had some depth. However, all of the same old stuff just comes back. The offense recruited no backs, so we are playing what were once back-ups. The QB is still injured and it was not until last week that I saw the back-up able to drive the team down-field. Until last week, there was no outside run game . Now we find out that the defense is still weak against the deep pass, the line has no lateral ability. When the do move outside, we get burned by a simple crossing-pattern. We simply have no balance on defense and no power on offense.
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Definitely hard to get a lot of enthusiasm out of these boards this year Lake Bison... The SIU loss was just such an inexplicable letdown... how does a team go from giving the #3 team in the nation all they can handle to looking like a division 2 program in the span of one week.
I'm most upset by the fact that despite having BOTH Bo and Carl Pelini on the staff our defense manages to give away multiple big plays because players are missing assignments. I can almost guarantee the Bison will have a long pass to a wide open receiver because of blow coverage.
However... I'm actually pretty optimistic about this team. We have the talent to compete with almost anyone in the country, we proved that by being a handful of plays away from beating UNI and SDSU. The issue is just consistency, if this team can put together a complete game it could be a serious challenge for the Bison.
The other aspect of this is that NDSU is coming off of the excitement of a HUGE Dakota marker game featuring ESPN game day. It will be interesting to see if they come out flat simply due to the mental and physical toll such a big game takes.
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Win and we're in! Not holding my breath tho..
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YSU winning is like expecting the Browns to have a game where they have less than 10 penalties
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Win and we're in! Not holding my breath tho..
Yes indeed! But between your post and YSU1's about the Browns... expecting YSU to win this week is like expecting the Browns to beat the Patriots ::)
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Win and we're in! Not holding my breath tho..
Yes indeed! But between your post and YSU1's about the Browns... expecting YSU to win this week is like expecting the Browns to beat the Patriots ::)
Stranger things have happened, remember when last year’s team that lost to Butler gave NDSU a scare? No game is a gimme in the MVFC
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Fair point Kandrase
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Don't get blown out Saturday, win the last 3, and they'll have a chance to make the playoffs. 4 or 5 MVFC teams will probably make the playoffs, if they have a record of at least 8-4.
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Don't get blown out Saturday, win the last 3, and they'll have a chance to make the playoffs. 4 or 5 MVFC teams will probably make the playoffs, if they have a record of at least 8-4.
this is the proper take
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Don't get blown out Saturday, win the last 3, and they'll have a chance to make the playoffs. 4 or 5 MVFC teams will probably make the playoffs, if they have a record of at least 8-4.
this is the proper take
No if we lose Saturday, it would be a team in 4th place (at best) ...having lost to every team above them and another 2 below them (UNI & SIU). Who wants to take that resume to the post-season? Again, let a team from a supposed "lesser" conference get a second-bid. Maybe they have won most all of their conference games.
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Don't get blown out Saturday, win the last 3, and they'll have a chance to make the playoffs. 4 or 5 MVFC teams will probably make the playoffs, if they have a record of at least 8-4.
this is the proper take
No if we lose Saturday, it would be a team in 4th place (at best) ...having lost to every team above them and another 2 below them (UNI & SIU). Who wants to take that resume to the post-season? Again, let a team from a supposed "lesser" conference get a second-bid. Maybe they have won most all of their conference games.
Look, I know we have our issues, but at the end of the day we are still better than most of the top 24 teams that will get into the playoffs. Bottom line is that there is not equity in the FCS when it comes to playoffs. We will curb stomp every team in the first round.
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Don't get blown out Saturday, win the last 3, and they'll have a chance to make the playoffs. 4 or 5 MVFC teams will probably make the playoffs, if they have a record of at least 8-4.
this is the proper take
No if we lose Saturday, it would be a team in 4th place (at best) ...having lost to every team above them and another 2 below them (UNI & SIU). Who wants to take that resume to the post-season? Again, let a team from a supposed "lesser" conference get a second-bid. Maybe they have won most all of their conference games.
Look, I know we have our issues, but at the end of the day we are still better than most of the top 24 teams that will get into the playoffs. Bottom line is that there is not equity in the FCS when it comes to playoffs. We will curb stomp every team in the first round.
Exactly... the MVFC has proven and over and over again that it’s the best conference in football, being the 4th or 5th best is nothing to be ashamed of. Obviously we aim for higher standards but I just don’t understand why IAA thinks we’re so unworthy that he doesn’t want a playoff bid if we lose to NDSU and then win out. The non scholarship pioneer league gets an auto-bid... are they any more deserving than the 4th or 5th best MVFC team?
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Every team accept the 5 that would have already beaten us (although SIU will not make it, so maybe 4). Maybe several of the teams from the CAA & this year's Big Sky. The NCAA has to establish equal conference representation to the play-off; otherwise teams in current disadvantaged conferences will stay that way. If you are a recruit from S. Carolina, you should not have to play in New England, the Midwest, or the plain states. It defeats the reason that I-AA/FCS was created in the first place. That recruit needs to know that teams from the SoCon or Big South are good options, because the chances of making it to the post-season are just the same as anywhere else in the nation.
Look at IA/FBS ball when the SEC was so dominant. A complete "snooze fest". I still cannot watch it.
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Hope we play a good game Saturday. If we loose, let it be because they beat us, not that we had breakdowns that give them easy scores.
I see a few possibilities. One is that we play them well and stay in the game till the end and win or loose based on the 4th quarter. The next I fear which is things fall apart and we loose big. Need to block their D End to protect Mays. That killed us in a few games and will again if we don't do something different. Also would like to see Chapman more at running back. His size and speed are good and could wear down a defense. I know Joe has been good and has more quickness and speed, but spell him with number 3. If we can run the ball a bit we will be able to throw. If not a long day. We can't have obvious running or passing situations; we are not good enough for success when they know what is coming. And I think on D we need to substitute more to keep guys fresh for the 4th quarter. Our depth is questionable for sure, but we have tried so many players on the back end that they all have playing time. Also the D line needs substitutes for the same reason.
Lets hope for a big win!
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You think the "back end" "coach" may be part if the reason why we have to try so many people back there? I do. In fact we have regressed there. It is a testament to his knowledge and ability to both recruit and coach.
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Every team accept the 5 that would have already beaten us (although SIU will not make it, so maybe 4). Maybe several of the teams from the CAA & this year's Big Sky. The NCAA has to establish equal conference representation to the play-off; otherwise teams in current disadvantaged conferences will stay that way. If you are a recruit from S. Carolina, you should not have to play in New England, the Midwest, or the plain states. It defeats the reason that I-AA/FCS was created in the first place. That recruit needs to know that teams from the SoCon or Big South are good options, because the chances of making it to the post-season are just the same as anywhere else in the nation.
Look at IA/FBS ball when the SEC was so dominant. A complete "snooze fest". I still cannot watch it.
If SIU wins out they're 8-4 and in over us. If they win out but lose to NDSU in the final game theyre 7-5 and may still get in over an 8-4 YSU if YSU doesn't beat NDSU. They will have a better conference record than us, and have us in head to head... And have an FBS win.
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True. That FBS win help a lot with SOS.
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Every team accept the 5 that would have already beaten us (although SIU will not make it, so maybe 4). Maybe several of the teams from the CAA & this year's Big Sky. The NCAA has to establish equal conference representation to the play-off; otherwise teams in current disadvantaged conferences will stay that way. If you are a recruit from S. Carolina, you should not have to play in New England, the Midwest, or the plain states. It defeats the reason that I-AA/FCS was created in the first place. That recruit needs to know that teams from the SoCon or Big South are good options, because the chances of making it to the post-season are just the same as anywhere else in the nation.
Look at IA/FBS ball when the SEC was so dominant. A complete "snooze fest". I still cannot watch it.
No I understood why all teams have access, I just meant more that the at large bids are for the next best teams regardless of conference and that could be a middle of the pack MVFC team. But looking at the scenarios our odds are looking long unless we beat NDSU
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Right. Our job is to win every remaining game.
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Article from today's Tribune/Vindy:
Consistent play is necessary for YSU
LOCAL SPORTS
NOV 1, 2019
JOE SIMON
Sports Reporter
jsimon@tribtoday.com
Time is running out for the Youngstown State football team — and maybe for coach Bo Pelini.
No, YSU won’t be firing him anytime soon — nor should they — and no, the Penguins won’t be eliminated from playoff contention if they lose Saturday’s showdown with top-ranked North Dakota State (6 p.m., at Stambaugh Stadium), but that’s not the point.
Consistency has been the missing ingredient since Pelini took over in 2015, and if that doesn’t change soon, one has to wonder if it’s every going to happen. This season could be a defining one for Pelini and his Penguins.
Right now, it’s hard to know which team is going to show up on a weekly basis. Some days, the Penguins look like the team people expect to see. They run the ball with authority, make a few big pass plays and the defense plays exceptional.
Other times, none of the above happens. Maybe it’s the next quarter. Maybe it’s the next game. The running game suddenly looks inept, which essentially takes away from the passing game, and the defense has total meltdowns. A team that appeared to be on its way to being a contender will look like one of the worst teams in the conference.
It’s puzzling, not only to fans and members of the media but to the team and Pelini. He has said more than once that he doesn’t understand why the up-and-down play is happening. Players have pointed to inexperience and not realizing just how difficult it is to win in the Missouri Valley Football Conference.
“We might be a relatively old team in terms of age, but a lot of guys are relatively young and inexperienced,” said YSU senior quarterback Nathan Mays in an interview last week. “That experience that they’re lacking in this conference, it will come back to bite you. So they need to realize that each of these games is either going to come down to the last series, or you’re going to get blown out. There aren’t going to be many games where you come out and you just manhandle the other team. You’ve got to come ready to play each week, and if you’re not, then we’re going to see the same result as last Saturday.”
Mays said that days after YSU was clobbered, 35-10, by an unranked Southern Illinois team. They followed that loss up with a 59-14 rout of Western Illinois last Saturday, further demonstrating the inconsistent play.
If the Penguins are ever going to become a perennial winner and compete for national championships, the inconsistencies must stop. Not next week. Not next year. Not for a handful games before going back to bad habits. It needs to happen now, and it needs to happen for good.
This is Year 5 under Pelini. There’s no more talk of culture change. There aren’t any former players from previous coaching staffs. There isn’t any unfamiliarity with the conference or blaming youth. There aren’t any reasons YSU shouldn’t be a consistent winner.
This year’s team still has a chance to change their ways. They don’t necessarily have to go out and beat the undefeated Bison, which has won 29 straight games, to prove they’ve changed. While a win would do wonders for their playoff hopes, the inconsistencies aren’t about one game.
Building a perennial winner takes a lot of things, one of which is possessing the right mindset — believing in the coaches, the system and the team. Pelini actually touched on it this week at his press conference as he was discussing the success of North Dakota State, which has won six of the last seven national championships.
He said the Bison reminded him of when he played for Cardinal Mooney and the Cardinals were playing for a state championship every year under legendary coach Don Bucci. NDSU has similar traits.
“They have their system, and they run it, and they run it at a high level,” Pelini said of the Bison. “That’s a testament to good football teams and good programs, is they’re going to run what they run and they’re going to make you stop it. They have their beliefs, and they execute really well.”
Well, it’s time for those attributes to be part of YSU’s system.
That’s easier said than done. Getting a team to buy into every single thing a coaching staff is preaching is much more difficult than people think, but it can be done. If Pelini can make it happen, this seems to be the team to get it started.
YSU has good leadership. They’re talented on both sides of the ball, and they seem to have “bought in” more so than in other years. Pelini himself appears to have made some subtle changes to his own demeanor.
He has ever so slightly calmed the volatile manner in which he carries himself. Pelini is still incredibly intense and fiery, but his meltdowns on the sideline haven’t been as frequent, which needs to continue. If he expects his team to play at a consistent level, he needs to project behavior that is in line with that.
It’s often said that a team is a reflection of its coach. That may very well be the case with YSU.
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I don’t want to start another firestorm but IMO you have to place the blame of our programs 20 regression on the last 3 coaches. Heacock was a great DC but not a HC. Wolford could recruit but was no HC. Bo is a great DC but... I mean, idc that Bo won with Wolfs players. That fact doesn’t mean Wolford was a good HC...he wasn’t. Wolf didn’t take us to the playoffs...that’s not up for debate, it’s pure fact. Heacock didn’t take us to the playoffs, regularly, that is pure fact. Everyone says Heacock hated and wasn’t a good recruiter. So then it’s HIS fault we didn’t have good enough players to get into post season. Wolford couldn’t coach up GOOD players to get us into the post season. So then it’s HIS fault he wasn’t a good enough HC. Bo also hates recruiting, so then it’s HIS fault we don’t have the talent. I’m confused as to why It’s “puzzling!” I mean, if the players you recruited aren’t doing what you have been coaching them to do then it’s the coaches fault for not recruiting better players. Its Bo’s fault for getting a 15 ya penalty during terrible times in games that hurt us. Im sorry, I now ALSO buY into the problem of the “good ole boys” from Tressel to Strollo to “insert good ole boy coach”. I have to now agree with Paladin and whoever else...they are ALL inept and ALL need to go. I had a brief “debate” with the family of a player last week in the stands as I continued to make bad remarks while we were beating a chump squad. I said “you all have been here for 4 years and we won’t see you again after this year...meanwhile I’ve been here since ‘83, had fun for a decade, and then the last 20 years of crap...and by the way things don’t look fun for the foreseeable future either. But some of us will still be here, regardless!” Ugh...Go Guins!!!
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Game day folks!
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Ok so I'm gonna get excited and have hope for a win. Let's go Guins! fb
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No OSU game maybe 18,000 to cheer on the GUINS
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No OSU game maybe 18,000 to cheer on the GUINS
That would be nice.
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No OSU game maybe 18,000 to cheer on the GUINS
I hope you are kidding. Not a chance. Not even close. Be lucky to get half that,,,,Bo has done nothing but rapidly diminish interest in YSU football,,,it’s a shame,,,he needs to be gone
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well here we go! shouldve played this at 1pm 2pm when it was actually warm!
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YSU fumbles punt after nice Defense stand.... NDSU scores 7-0
says 68 visitors, 3 users. where ya'll at?
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YSU had a couple 1st downs. but ndsu ball on 10 now.
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NDSU 14-0 long TD pass.
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Well I wanted to be wrong about this being a blowout. But it appears so.
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Well Mays is leveled
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PRAYERS to Mays... that looked bad.... don't wish that on anyone.
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ok ill stop posting :( 21-0
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We stink
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Yeah and they are laying down after hanging 21 on the Pelini Bros defense in the 1st Quarter.
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36 yards offense to 233 for NDSU. We stink
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4th and one. Down by 28 and we punt. 10 yard punt I may add. We just suck
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Another humiliation
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we could not beat their third team BO MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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18.5 point dogs at home is embarrassing enough. To be completely out of the game before the 1st quarter is another. To know there was no other possible outcome is the worst though.
This program is light years away from elite.
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Well, that was the earliest that I ever left a football game in my life. What we witnessed this evening is nothing short of the death of this once-proud football program.
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win your last 3 and you're still in playoffs at 7-4 though right? #silverlinings
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So we finally score then h G I’ve up a 94 yard kickoff return for a touchdown ! Seriously? A you Fukin kidding me?
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win your last 3 and you're still in playoffs at 7-4 though right? #silverlinings
Come on. First---there is no way. Second---and more importantly---you aren't competitive with the top of the division, so who cares? Barely making a watered down playoff really isn't all that exciting, right? I mean, you are playing the #1 ranked team in the division at home and you aren't remotely closely to being competitive. Making the playoffs is a waste of time.
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Best play of the first half by far was executed by the band, dance line and ROTC. They created a human chain to prevent the buff's flag line from running past them.
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As soon as Jake fumbled the punt I knew it was over... Onto basketball season!
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win your last 3 and you're still in playoffs at 7-4 though right? #silverlinings
As Boston said ...who would want to see it? Not I. Besides, Besides 24-teams in an open play-off format is a joke. Go back to 16.
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If we win the last three we will be 8-4
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Agree with above that 24 team playoff is a joke. You know how many bad teams would make the playoffs if FBS had 24 teams? We are bad, and a playoff berth might somehow lead those at YSU to believe that the direction of the program is fine.
He has a losing record in conference play, the program is regressing under his leadership. YSU football is irrelevant in this community and in FCS football. But, he will be back, hate to see that, but YSU won't fire him and why leave when you can get paid full-time and work part-time.
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He has a losing record in conference play, the program is regressing under his leadership. YSU football is irrelevant in this community and in FCS football. But, he will be back, hate to see that, but YSU won't fire him and why leave when you can get paid full-time and work part-time.
I actually think that he works his butt off, his approach and style just does work with today's players.
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As soon as Jake fumbled the punt I knew it was over... Onto basketball season!
Thats the point the season ended in my mind as well.