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I’m staring it. This is embarrassing. He got out coached. Stuff him now. Get rid of the Mooney connection. Clean house. All his homeboys need to go.
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I’ll pitch in to buy him out.
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I’m in too
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If anyone thinks that this is something that can be easily fixed you are crazy. The best scenario is he resigns at season end.
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If anyone thinks that this is something that can be easily fixed you are crazy. The best scenario is he resigns at season end.
Empty the stands. Pressure the admin. Tressel has to see it. Strollo won’t. This is a joke. Best move is to get rid of him now. Don’t wait. Kids don’t want to play for him. It’s obvious.
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hey just extended him, correct? Anyone know what they are on the hook for if they fire him? Enrollment drop created a big budget hole. Will they be willing to pay 2 coaches under these circumstances? Seems safe as long as Tressel is around. Pelini has been there long enough that this dumpster fire is all on him.
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Have we ever fired a coach that had years left on a contract? I doubt it. Paying both an active coach and a fired coach is something we will never do. As goodnews just suggested, the best case is if Pelini faces reality and resigns after this season. He must understand after today that he has lost control of this team.
Does anybody else have the horrible impression that Pelini has now done for YSU exactly what Faust did for Akron? Made the football program totally irrelevant.
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Football isn’t really a big revenue generator so firing Pelini will cost way more than its worth.
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I would venture to guess more 60% of the current roster isn't D1 talent. I would also guess 80% of the coaching staff isn't D1 either. The two combined is exactly why we are, where we are. He has one hell of an ego to think that he can make up for the lack of knowledge of his coaches and make us competitive.
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Won't happen. He will have to resign.. Problem is, Carl is taking over once Bo leaves. It was apart of the deal when Bo signed his extension and got Carl to come back.
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I would venture to guess more 60% of the current roster isn't D1 talent. I would also guess 80% of the coaching staff isn't D1 either. The two combined is exactly why we are, where we are. He has one hell of an ego to think that he can make up for the lack of knowledge of his coaches and make us competitive.
I have to disagree. It seems like more of a motivation / football IQ / coaching issue than a talent gap. We had the #3 team in the nation on the ropes last week and we beat 4 d1 programs by 20+ points. You don’t do that with d2 talent.
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Please review roster and coach bios and tell me different. You cant possibly convince me that we have capable depth. We played 1.5 good quarters last week. On the ropes at halftime? The #3 team made the halftime adjustments offensively and defensively and hung 35 points on us in the 2nd half at home. We found out today what kind of road team we are.
Now football IQ of the coach yes. Who would leave #7 or whatever his number is on defense in the game?
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Please review roster and coach bios and tell me different. You cant possibly convince me that we have capable depth. We played 1.5 good quarters last week. On the ropes at halftime? The #3 team made the halftime adjustments offensively and defensively and hung 35 points on us in the 2nd half at home. We found out today what kind of road team we are.
I’m not sayings it’s a great team, I’m just saying a team with 60% non d1 talent probably doesn’t win 4 straight d1 games, and probably gets blown off the field by SDSU and UNI, which our team did not.
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Won't happen. He will have to resign.. Problem is, Carl is taking over once Bo leaves. It was apart of the deal when Bo signed his extension and got Carl to come back.
If this is fact...I’m happy NOT to renew our tickets. Tickets we have had since Stambaugh opened. Add me to the “Strollo is a moRon” group. What’s paladins phone number? Need to give him a call...
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Been a season ticket holder since 83. Done. Will tailgate to have fun. Will not go into another game until the Mooney faction is gone. I’m done.
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The Pelini experiment is an epic failure. Bottom line is that he has a losing conference record during his 4 plus years as head coach. One playoff berth in what will be five years.
He is a disaster. In all his years as a head coach how many conference titles has be won? Zero. His coaching staff is overwhelmed. Pelini is an arrogant bully and that kind of coach, aka Belichick and Saban win championships and get away with being that way. Pelini has won nothing.
His days of being a head coach are over. Yes, he can land a big time D coordinator job, coaching is the good old boys network. Just look at his staff, all the Mooney guys.
Chief your comments that Carl Pelini will be head coach are wrong. Yes, Strollo made that deal, not Jim Tressel. Tressel will step in. How insane would be in to promote the brother of the head coach who is putting the program in the tank. What has Carl done to be a head coach? He was a disaster at Florida Atlantic on and off the field. Tressel and all his connections will hire the next coach.
The sad part is that Pelini likely will return next year. Strollo doesn't have it in to fire Pelini, and who wants Pelini?
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Well, I was looking for a word and couldn't come up with anything better than "embarrassing".
That was shameful and while I'm on record as not a Mays fan, this was NOT on Nate or any player, it was on a staff that simply didn't get a team ready to play. Since the pick six and Jones personal foul against SDSU them team has simply quit. That is on the staff and the staff needs to go.
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Well, I was looking for a word and couldn't come up with anything better than "embarrassing".
That was shameful and while I'm on record as not a Mays fan, this was NOT on Nate or any player, it was on a staff that simply didn't get a team ready to play. Since the pick six and Jones personal foul against SDSU them team has simply quit. That is on the staff and the staff needs to go.
i am also not a Mays fan. It is not that I don't him as player. He just does not have the talent to be premium QB at our level. He has heart but we need hi to have arm also.
I personally do not think Tressel will be around YSU when Pelini's contract is up. #8 could not play or read the offense in his playing days. He is now coaching DB's.......that is the reason why #7 is still starting (he plays just like the coach (#8)....lost
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Well, I was looking for a word and couldn't come up with anything better than "embarrassing".
That was shameful and while I'm on record as not a Mays fan, this was NOT on Nate or any player, it was on a staff that simply didn't get a team ready to play. Since the pick six and Jones personal foul against SDSU them team has simply quit. That is on the staff and the staff needs to go.
i am also not a Mays fan. It is not that I don't him as player. He just does not have the talent to be premium QB at our level. He has heart but we need hi to have arm also.
I personally do not think Tressel will be around YSU when Pelini's contract is up. #8 could not play or read the offense in his playing days. He is now coaching DB's.......that is the reason why #7 is still starting (he plays just like the coach (#8)....lost
The way our oline is pass blocking, it wouldn’t matter if we had Aaron Rodgers as QB ... still needs time to throw
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I am not happy with the direction the football program is headed. We basically are now similar to Kent State and Akron but on the FCS level.
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13 Princeton 5-0 323 16
14 Furman 4-3 268 8
15 Nicholls 4-3 232 9
16 Dartmouth 5-0 225 21
17 Towson 4-3 212 20
18 North Carolina A&T 4-2 207 11
19 Delaware 4-3 115 24
20 UIW 5-2 113 25
21 Jacksonville St. 5-3 101 14
22 UC Davis 4-4 96 22
23 Florida A&M 6-1 86 NR
24 Central Connecticut St. 6-1 83 NR
25 Sam Houston St. 5-3 75 NR
I listed 13-25 rankings...seriously...we can't break the top 25 with these teams? How embarrassing! Two Ivy's ranked? The tradition is gone. He has to go...he is not all in! You have to be all in in this league. He thought he was coming into a joke conference and that he could just cruise. Welcome to the MVFC Bo! We have regressed. This is real football...you can't lose on the road and have to win big games...not like Nebraska.
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On several threads, Strollo is taking the hit for Pelini. Im not inside, but perhaps the decision to hire and keep Pelini is above Strollo. Tressel gets major passes. Its on him too and maybe more than Strollo.
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On several threads, Strollo is taking the hit for Pelini. Im not inside, but perhaps the decision to hire and keep Pelini is above Strollo. Tressel gets major passes. Its on him too and maybe more than Strollo.
All I can go by is 1AA claiming that Pelini is here, and his contract extended 100% by Strollo and JT had NOTHING to do with it. If Strollo didn't know Pelini was as ass after his first several years and before offering an extension, it's a lot on Strollo too. Time to clean house IMO!
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On several threads, Strollo is taking the hit for Pelini. Im not inside, but perhaps the decision to hire and keep Pelini is above Strollo. Tressel gets major passes. Its on him too and maybe more than Strollo.
All I can go by is 1AA claiming that Pelini is here, and his contract extended 100% by Strollo and JT had NOTHING to do with it. If Strollo didn't know Pelini was as a$$ after his first several years and before offering an extension, it's a lot on Strollo too. Time to clean house IMO!
I fully believe that Strollo was much more involved in the coach P hiring than most think. However, as with any HC, He will have to answer up to the administration. That is more than JT. So if we really wish to "clean house" we would be dumping a few administrators.
That being said, Strollo is not going to walk in and fire a coach that is 2.5 seasons out of a national championship appearance. I think he will ride this season out, let Bo talk directly to the fans, players and administration. Try to present his ideas to demonstrate that he is aware of any issues and how he is going to deal with them. If this fails, I expect that Strollo will do the talking the second time any any failure here will result in a resignation/termination. Strollo does owe Bo a chance to state his case.
Remember, we have 2 ranked teams remaining on our schedule, including #1. So it is possible we win out and see the play-off. Anything less and I do not wish to go. Anymore losses and we would be going to the post-season as second-string.
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IAA Fan---reasonable answer that makes sense. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds, both short and long term.
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On several threads, Strollo is taking the hit for Pelini. Im not inside, but perhaps the decision to hire and keep Pelini is above Strollo. Tressel gets major passes. Its on him too and maybe more than Strollo.
All I can go by is 1AA claiming that Pelini is here, and his contract extended 100% by Strollo and JT had NOTHING to do with it. If Strollo didn't know Pelini was as a$$ after his first several years and before offering an extension, it's a lot on Strollo too. Time to clean house IMO!
I fully believe that Strollo was much more involved in the coach P hiring than most think. However, as with any HC, He will have to answer up to the administration. That is more than JT. So if we really wish to "clean house" we would be dumping a few administrators.
I think he will ride this season out, let Bo talk directly to the fans, players and administration. Try to present his ideas to demonstrate that he is aware of any issues and how he is going to deal with them.
This is Bo Pelini you're talking about, isn't it? Bo is going to talk directly to fans? Seriously. Bo Pelini? He's too good for all that schmoozing crap, just ask him, he'll brush you off in a heartbeat!
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I remember when coach Heacock (who was more than aware of the Youngstown fan base and preferred smash-mouth style of ball) told Strollo that he had to covert the style of offense to more of a spread. He used the play-off loss to App State and Strollo (who was against the style change initially) agreed to let him try & renewed the contract. We then had all of those injuries during the conversion. Coach H simply told Strollo that he needed another year & that if he could not get to the post-season ... he would resign. Heacock was a man of his word & he resigned after the 4th loss. Coach Wolf was hired and at Heacock's last home game Wolf was watching from the loges/press box.
I would suspect something similarly respectful when Bo leaves. If it is Carl as the replacement, then I would expect Bo to stick around for a year to help out before he retires. Now if Bo picks up a bigger job, all bets are off. Carl may go with him.
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I do not think any schools will be knocking on Bo's door
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I do not think any schools will be knocking on Bo's door
Yeah, it's a damn line around the block! College football is all about recruiting. Bo cam here and stayed here because he hates recruiting and thought his name would get the second tier players without effort. When that didn't work, he hired young, enthusiastic guys like Crist and D'Alesio to do the work for him. That obviously has been a full blown disaster. Maybe Bo could get a job if he wanted it as a coordinator with no recruiting, or press, or speaking responsibility, but that's it. I don't know Bo at all, and so this is obviously idle speculation, but he has TONS of money, and might like and do well and enjoy being defensive coordinator at Mooney?
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I listened to the Oct 22nd weekly press conference and what Bo is saying is that coaching, game preparation and in game adjustments are flawless but the players are not executing or making too many mistakes. It is nice to know that coaching is not the issue. ;D
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What will the coach say after this humiliation?
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What will the coach say after this humiliation?
If we're lucky - Good bye!
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What will the coach say after this humiliation?
forget this game like i forgot nebraska and win 3 straight games and get into playoffs.
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Dear sweet, tiny, infant, baby Jesus. Please let someone record a tirade from Bo tonight after the game and then leak said recording tomorrow so that we, the faithful, may be rid of this foolishness. Amen!
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We are not as good as ndsu but we are not this bad either. He just cannot seem to get the guys ready for games, no mental toughness, after the first fumble they looked as if they did not care.
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Pelini came from the Big Ten to FCS and has not been successful. His heart is not in this. He is doing this for pocket money/fun money and to pass the time. This is not working for him or YSU. The future doesn't look good either. Time to move on from the Pelini experiment.
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I have officially sworn off the YSU Penguins until there is a coaching change. Although I am not a donor to the program, I probably spend close to $1,000 a season between tickets for my family, concessions, apparel, and drinks. We are done! I feel bad for these players. I feel bad for the fans. I feel bad for the student body. I wish the current students could experience what I did at YSU in the 90's.
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It's basketball season!
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I can't state that I will stop attending games because I might feel differently by next September. But after 37 years, I have definitely bought my last season tickets. Buying season tickets again would constitute an endorsement of this mess. It would make me feel guilty, just as I have felt partly responsible for three decades of bad basketball because I kept on buying season tickets to watch garbage. No more!
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I will not be attending any more games until I see changes.
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Pelini is one guy. He is the one guy in charge of the program. I am not here to defend him, but he is not working with adults with regard to his coaching staff. His staff is also more than half responsible for getting the right players and having them prepared. They are not because his staff is incapable. Part of this has to do with the financial resources he has available to him.....not much. Either way. not only do you have to be a good recruiter of players, but you must also be a good recruiter of coaches, especially when you have limited resources. This means the Pelini has to find good up-and-coming coaches that are good recruiters, good coaches, and will work for less to have the opportunities. But they also need some experience and natural talent because they will need players to make up for coaching inexperience until they learn their coaching positions well.
We don't have this. Pelini can recognize a good player but he cannot recognize good coach. You win with the best players, but those players are schemed and motivated by coaching, at least until the team cohesion takes effect. We don't have that cohesiveness because we don't have the leadership in the assistant coaching positions (outside of Carl). We need some adults in the room and we just don't have them.
That is where this shifts to Strollo. Shift more money to football. That is the only sport the community cares for. All of the others pale in comparison. Give the resources to get what we want. Don't let this turn into what happened with Heacock where you eliminate what is left if the fan base. I watched the fans disappear every year under Heacock and it continued under Wolford and now we are getting to a new low under Pelini. Ron your 5 year plan is failing. You need to help fix this mess you helped to make.
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With respect, I cant buy the resources argument. The stadium and WATTS are top tier especially compared to other FCS programs. The university environment is the best its been. Its on Pelini to find and young hire up and comers from the coaching ranks. Money isnt the issue, its having a good set up on the career ladder. They also have to want to work for him. We've seen his personality. What does he have to offer to an aspiring coach? Maybe the only ones who will work for him are the cronies. It cant be harder to recruit to Youngstown than the Dakotas and Iowa and middle of Illinois. Its not expensive to recruit Toledo, Columbus, Cincinnati and Cleveland not be mention Western PA. There is competition for talent everywhere. The idea was that players would come here because of Pelini. Maybe they arent coming here because of Pelini.
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When I say resources, I mean coaches salaries. We don't pay and there are MAC schools that pay more right down the road
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Akron's coach is incentivized to make $600k as of 2018. Terry Bowden made $412k. The OC at Kent makes $137k. How do you compete with that?
https://www.hustlebelt.com/mac-football/2013/12/15/5213126/a-look-at-mac-football-coaching-salaries-does-more-money-translate
https://www.crainscleveland.com/kevin-kleps-blog/new-akron-football-coach-tom-arths-five-year-deal-includes-incentives-can-push
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We have a gazillion assistant AD's running around the joint. Reorganize and funnel the money to football coaching salaries. That is what I would do. Build the program up so you can continue to afford to hire good football coaches and then you can add back some help with the assistant ADs. As it stands we will continue to get worse because there is such a big discrepancy in coaching salaries. I would also argue that recruiting is more difficult in the FCS and the teams we play are better coached than the MAC, which makes coaching tougher with less pay. Who would want that job? I know......no one except unqualified Donald D'Alesio caliber people that cannot recruit because they couldn't play and they have zero experience.
We get what we deserve. As long as Strollo is the main AD this will not change. We need to do something quickly before we are thrown back to the 1970's D2 irrelevance days. We are close.
The way to fix it as it is is to hire a few Alpha recruiters that can turn this thing around. At least it's one way to do it, and keep the current org structure and have a good football program. The other way is to deal with the current issue: We are too fat in the admin side for the services they are providing. Here is a list of AD's currently in the directory:
Name Title
Rick Love Associate Director of Athletics
Trevor Parks Director of Athletics Communications
Jamie Hall Assistant Director of Athletics Communications
Drae Smith Assistant Director of Athletics Communications/Event Management
John Vogel Assistant Director of Athletics Communications
Elaine Jacobs Associate Director of Athletics/SWA
Emily Wollet Associate Athletic Director
Rebecca Fink Assistant Athletic Director
Myisha Jennings Assistant Athletic Director
Robb Schmidt Assistant Athletic Director, Marketing and Promotions
Chris Sumner Assistant Athletic Director, Sales and Event Management
Tim Stuart Assistant Athletic Director
Tom Morella Assistant Athletic Director
Jim Morrison Associate Athletic Director for The Penguin Club
Andrew Wingard Assistant Director of Athletics – Sales & Development
We need Trevor parks as he is a real talent, but I think we need to do a little more with less, combine some of these jobs and give the money to the coaching staff after they fire all of the people that don't belong. The Penguin Club people are useless. I would have fired them many years ago. Hire me. I have an MBA with a certificate in finance and Innovation as well as an undergraduate degree in chemical engineering. I currently manage a multi-million dollar operation (far larger than the athletic department budget) and do it will far less staff. The problem is that I don't want to move back there because the weather sucks ......but I am sure there is someone that is qualified to fix the issue.
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True. But what has that got them? And I would bet that they are complaining that they arent getting enough to compete.
Salary increases the chances of success but it doesnt equate to success. It takes hard work to recruit good coaches just as it does to recruit good players. And you have to have something to offer them.
YSU was turned down by multiple coaches before they hired Bolden who was motivated and built the womens basketball program that was at a point far below where football is now. Now its self sustaining.
FInd a young D2 or D3 coach who is ambitious and dont use ties to Youngstown as a criteria. Tressel didnt have ties to Youngstown before he got here and neither did most of his assistants. Its no guarantee but clearly past approaches havent worked.
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not only do you have to be a good recruiter of players, but you must also be a good recruiter of coaches, especially when you have limited resources. This means the Pelini has to find good up-and-coming coaches that are good recruiters, good coaches, and will work for less to have the opportunities.
Agreed, at our level this will apply to any head coach. JT did a good job with this.
AD needs to find that diamond in the ruff HC, an up and comer. The guy that other schools will be luring away from us after he proves how good he is. This will not be easy but that is the job of the AD. And when you can see you made a bad pick, know when to start looking again.
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With respect, I cant buy the resources argument. The stadium and WATTS are top tier especially compared to other FCS programs. The university environment is the best its been. Its on Pelini to find and young hire up and comers from the coaching ranks. Money isnt the issue, its having a good set up on the career ladder. They also have to want to work for him. We've seen his personality. What does he have to offer to an aspiring coach? Maybe the only ones who will work for him are the cronies. It cant be harder to recruit to Youngstown than the Dakotas and Iowa and middle of Illinois. Its not expensive to recruit Toledo, Columbus, Cincinnati and Cleveland not be mention Western PA. There is competition for talent everywhere. The idea was that players would come here because of Pelini. Maybe they arent coming here because of Pelini.
His personality has nothing to do with it. If he can promise a true shot at the NFL, he will get the talent he needs. Pelini is not the only recruiter. "You win with people"-Someone close to the university said that years ago. The issue is that you need to recruit the talent required to win. Winning allows you to get even more talent. Talent enables you win games against good teams. Talent allows you to play a non-perfect game and win because talent helps you to cover up mistakes. Real talent works to eliminate mistakes.
If there is a real shot at getting a good look from the NFL with Pelini's NFL ties then it would be worth keeping him, but he needs a good staff surrounding him and he doesn't have it. If we continue to lose, it will be even more difficult to recruit. NDSU has a national recruiting footprint. We do not. Did you see their roster? They have kids from Florida and California...from all over. We do not have that level of diversity nor do we have that sort of recruiting presence. They don't even have a freaking stadium. They rent the Fargo Dome, they have outdoor football fields not an indoor practice facility. They have money because they have a fan base that puts more than 5k people in the stands. They have boosters and they pay more to their coaches. They have a recruiting strategy that is outstanding. We have a coach that doesn't care to recruit and then has assistants, some of which are unqualified, to land recruits. Pelini has to do it all himself. I always use D'Alesio as an example because he is easy to point out as the example......but there is no way I would go and play for D'Alesio. NO FREAKING WAY. Pelini would have to come to my house. Now if it was NDSU and I knew that they win all of the time....maybe I would sign on and play for one of their assistants. I don't think we have that kind of continuity or program. Do we even have a program or do we just randomly get whatever we can when it comes to player personnel?
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True. But what has that got them? And I would bet that they are complaining that they arent getting enough to compete.
Salary increases the chances of success but it doesnt equate to success. It takes hard work to recruit good coaches just as it does to recruit good players. And you have to have something to offer them.
YSU was turned down by multiple coaches before they hired Bolden who was motivated and built the womens basketball program that was at a point far below where football is now. Now its self sustaining.
FInd a young D2 or D3 coach who is ambitious and dont use ties to Youngstown as a criteria. Tressel didnt have ties to Youngstown before he got here and neither did most of his assistants. Its no guarantee but clearly past approaches havent worked.
YSU was turned down by other coaches because we don't resource the coaches to be successful. They wanted more money, we cannot afford it. I know that some people on this board think $100k is a lot of money but outside of the Mahoning Valley that is not a lot of money. It is peanuts in comparison to what other schools pay. Talent can go somewhere else for more money and talent WILL do that.
We need some sort of SWOT analysis done for each sport and then use that SWOT to find the right coach and have a plan to leverage strengths, address weaknesses, aggressively pursue opportunities, and eliminate threats.
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https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone/mens-sports/football/4752459-McFeely-Pelini-is-blunt-as-always-but-what-else-can-he-say This should have been a trap game and much closer game for the Bison, considering our win last week and their hard fought contest only having to go on the road and face a Pelini squad that historically plays them close. Instead it looked like they never lost their 25 seniors from a year ago and were the home team inside the Fargo dome. On the bright side of things our next two opponents are very bad. Western beat South Dakota yesterday and South Dakota shut out Indiana St earlier in the year. It will be interesting to see how this team responds on the road
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this problem did not just start now. 3 play-off appearances in the last 20 years is not good. each year more and more fans find other things to do on saturdays. whatever the problems are, money, recruiting, coaching there is no easy fix. for the hard core loyal YSU followers it is a hard pill to swallow.
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Bottom line is this team should not be 8-13 in conference play after a National title run in 2016
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My concern is that he Pi$$es away Waid's red shirt on 3 meaningless games. If he does this he should be fired at seasons end. Poor planning and player management.
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I would be more concerned what happens the next 3 weeks off the gield with recruiting. In addition, if Waid is the guy Craycraft may bolt causing more problems. Like I said nothing is a quick fix and we are spiralling down in so many ways.
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Look: NDSU's recruiting base has grown, but they still have 72 of their 99 players from 4 states (HD, SD, Minn and IL). However, we have to realize that NDSU looks for a very specific kind of player, as we used to. Frankly, I thought their defense was noticeably weaker than year past last night. Funny how they got the the kid who is probably the best (or second best) punter in Ohio & we did not. Why is that? That is not forgivable unless he is a legacy or something.
Now we can spend the money to move into NDSU territory and recruit, but why? Outside of Illinois (which we should be all over) we would be lucky to take any recruits away from NDSU. Those same dollars would yield 10+ recruits from Florida, or some quality California JUCO's.
The difference is that our staff does not know "what" to recruit, as they have no idea what talent is & this team has no real coordinators to give it direction (Carl excluded). They have no idea that you have to know your needs before you recruit, not just grab some transfer because he is available. Right now I have no idea what this team needs. We simply need an upgrade at all positions (which is truly a sign of bad staff). Here is an example: about 5 years ago we had YSU great Jamaine Cook at TB (arguably the best back in I-AA). An incredible package of power and speed. His back-ups were Demond Hymes, Martin Ruiz and Jody Webb. Hymes had real ability and a local kid that we all liked; yet we all knew he was never going to be Cook. A year later we had the "thunder and lightning tandem of Martin Ruiz and Jody Webb ... undoubtedly the most effective tandem in the nation. Their back-ups were Tevin McCaster and Joe Allesi. Tevin had the power & Alessi had some speed, but we all knew that neither of them had what Martin Ruiz had in vision, power and speed. And Webb was simply a true 4.4 bolt of lightning with dynamic vision. McCaster was a full back and served a purpose. Over the past couple of years, these career back-ups have become our starters. How did that happen? Simple, we failed to continue to recruit. If any of you have time and care to do so, take a look at this year's o-line and then line up the past 2 seasons of the same. You will see that we lost everyone, even sophs and juniors? What happened to them? They left and were not replaced with the same talent level. Our line (except Zinni) are all first-year guys
Look at our level a team cannot be everything, as we do not have all of the scholarships. On offense you need to decide if you a running team that can pass ... or a passing team that can run. On defense you have to stop the run & force your opposition to throw at you ... or be a passing-covering team and force your opponents to play power ball against you. Tressel's DC was Heacock. He shut down our opponents run game (with lines that were big, strong and deep), backed them up with LB's and dared teams to pass against usually 1 or two stop-dead backs in the secondary. He then worked his middle. Everyone loved to watch it & how we became the master (if not inventors) of smash-mouth football. On offense, Tressel established the run at any cost (which included more than a few losses). His lines were big, fast and deep. Again, this year we start only 1 player up front that has seen a previous start in a YSU uniform, yet they are all seniors.
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The program is a mess. Penguinpower is correct. We are trying to run a program on a dollar general budget. Hell. Monty might be making more as the OC wherever he is at than Pelini. The stadium is UTD. The dollar general press box add on did little to add money to the program. Look at James Madison’s stadium look at others they needed to
Add Club boxes to buy booze. Etc. We are so way over our heads in this conference with the top teams it’s scarey. Sorry typing this while traveling.
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We are who we are. An average to maybe above average FCS program besides one year where everything aligned with Wolf's good recruiting and Bo's transfers. This team will never get back to what it was in the 90's and people need to realize that. Bo is just buying time until he gets his big time D1 D-Coordinator job or back to the NFL as an assistant coach.
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Wont claim to be inside....but here are some questions, not to answer, but should be asked by those in charge...
1. Is it a reasonable goal for YSU football to be in the top 4 of the MVFC, be a regular participant in the playoffs, and to occassionally make a deep playoff run?
2. If yes, is YSU achieving that goal?
3. If no, what is preventing YSU from achieving that goal?
4. If no, can the factors preventing YSU from achieving that goal be fixed?
5. If no to #4, should YSU either accept where it is in FCS or drop down to D2?
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We are all disgusted, and with good reason. But let's look at this dilemma rationally. A few other FCS programs have newer and better stadiums, but does anybody else have the facilities package that we can offer? The stadium, the Watts, a weight room that is equal to any big time program. The infrastructure for success is in place; the failure is entirely human.
As Penguinpower suggested, the allocation of resources here at YSU is a joke. Hundreds of thousands squandered on unnecessary athletic administrators while coaches of the revenue programs are underpaid. Totally unacceptable.
To answer your questions gbs20, a fresh well-paid head coach with a well-paid staff could return this program to prominence. But do the power-holders (president and trustees) have the will and the guts to break with the status quo? At this point, I doubt it.
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Been a season ticket holder since 83. Done. Will tailgate to have fun. Will not go into another game until the Mooney faction is gone. I’m done.
As I posted after the SIU game....I am done being a season ticket holder ( I have been watching YSU since 1966, my freshman year at the university.
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Maybe Pelini to FSU with Stoops? We cant be that lucky right nor he?
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Did anyone else see the meltdown on the sidelines with players throwing haymakers at each other after one of NDSU touchdowns. Coaches had to step and break them up. He has lost control of players and coaches. What do we expect though...he blames everything on them so they react.
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Did anyone else see the meltdown on the sidelines with players throwing haymakers at each other after one of NDSU touchdowns. Coaches had to step and break them up. He has lost control of players and coaches. What do we expect though...he blames everything on them so they react.
Yep...Richmond and Smalls I believe.
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I did notice a very irate player yelling but I thought it was at pelini I don't know
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Tressel needs to meet him on the tarmac at Youngstown Airport and tell him to pack his bags.
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Fire Mooney!
The Mooney DC is the real problem right now
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Bring back Wolf!!
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Has to happen. Someone start a donorschoose.org please. Raise the money!!
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220 points given up in conference play...……………..???????????????
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220 points given up in conference play...……………..???????????????
the defense looked halfway decent against UNI and SDSU, how did it regress so much since then??
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Maybe Pelini will quit.
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Dreaming! They have to tell him that they are cutting all funds to football by 40% because of ticket sales. They will have to force him to leave. This is the most embarrassing system ever. He has ruined this program.
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Wait until he loses next years opener.
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spirited call in show. if some of the players quit during the game sit them down and play someone else. you keep them out there, come on.
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there are some people who are protecting Pelini. hey these are his coaches and his recruits. they are not even competitive. time for a change.
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Paper bags will be out and ready to go for ISUr.
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Fire everyone. Start over.
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I suspect Coach Pelini is a Manchurian candidate tasked with insuring that Cardinal Mooney is the best football program in Youngstown!
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Looking ahead to the 2020 season the non conference schedule will be much more difficult. We could very easily be 1-3 heading into conference play only to open up against N.D.S.U and S.D.S.U. on the road. The rest of the M.V.F.V. is very young and talented and we are know where close to being competitive with these teams. The excuse that we are bad because we pay our coaches slightly less then some of the other F.C.S. programs do is just laughable. Bo has had every opportunity to assemble his staff and recruit his own players. It's obvious this team has regressed since losing the remaining Wolford recruits and coaching staff. When players do not respect a coaching staff and simply quit it's a major problem. Probably will not happen, but Bo should do the right thing and resign following the conclusion of this season
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BO must GO!
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Let's be real. After an extension in the offseason do we really think Bo is leaving? He's enjoying living in his hometown where his kids can go to Mooney and all his Mooney buddies are around and he doesn't have to deal with big media scrutiny like he did at Nebraska. Who gives a sh*t how well the program is doing....
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He can be around his Mooney Buddies without coaching YSU.
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Ysu is currently facing severe budget problems. They will not be able to afford to buy out his contract. As a matter of fact, they need to more butts in the seats. Unfortunately , with the present state of the football program, I do not see that being possible.
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If u cant field a competitove team and u are having budget issues YSU needs to play another FBS game. No playoffs next either. Buy out the non-conference home games if somethg comes along in the next few years. What choice is there?
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Goodnews, you are going to be a prophet! Faced with dwindling revenues and a revolt of season ticket holders, Strollo might well schedule two money games. We can become the FCS equivalent of Kent that knows they have no fans and takes every guaranteed game they can get their hands on.
Of course there is a second option. Are you listening, Jim? Fire half the athletic administrators and use that money in the next few years to buy out Pelini's contract. Once that obligation is fulfilled, take that extra money and pay the new football coaching staff properly so that this nightmare can never occur again.
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Everyone needs to accept that the BIGGEST part of coaching college football is recruiting both players and coaches. Just cause u can recruit doesnt mean u can coach and vice versa. I heard an interview with Urban Meyer (not a fan of him or OSU) but he said u have to motivate kids to play this game even at OSU. He said the game is so fast and physical that not everyone is wired to play and he understands that. The take away is even at OSU u have to motivate so who do u thk is doing that at YSU? We have a roster full of players and coaches that clearly arent right for YSU, for each other and for the MVFC. U have to ask who's fault that is?
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If it keeps going like this, there will be no butts in the seats and that is not good for the budget.
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Does Bo Bo have one year left on his contract.
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No money game this year and basically not one next year, so I do not see having two money games as a doable thing. Although it would allow us to buy out Bo.
Seems we should have put more stock into the fact that Nebraska was willing to pay that much money to get rid of Bo.
How tight can money be if we are adding sports?
Yea there probably is some fat that could be trimmed in the AD Dept as is true with most schools.
With that said I can see where the powers to be would take a chance on Bo, big-time name, seemingly great resume, yadda yadda yadda, now the inevitable BUT. Disappointed that the folks in charge did not or could not see the direction of the program and gave an extension.
Sometimes when you mess up the best thing to do is suck it up, fix it and move on.
I feel bad for the seniors, they will be looking at empty seats for their last home game.
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Excellent post guinpen
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No money game this year and basically not one next year, so I do not see having two money games as a doable thing. Although it would allow us to buy out Bo.
Seems we should have put more stock into the fact that Nebraska was willing to pay that much money to get rid of Bo.
How tight can money be if we are adding sports?
Yea there probably is some fat that could be trimmed in the AD Dept as is true with most schools.
With that said I can see where the powers to be would take a chance on Bo, big-time name, seemingly great resume, yadda yadda yadda, now the inevitable BUT. Disappointed that the folks in charge did not or could not see the direction of the program and gave an extension.
Sometimes when you mess up the best thing to do is suck it up, fix it and move on.
I feel bad for the seniors, they will be looking at empty seats for their last home game.
Why feel bad for the seniors? Looks to me like they quit playing and don't give a sh**. Empty stadium is what they want. Yeah the coaching staff sucks but when you quit as a player that tells me a lot about the character and culture they came from.
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Enrollment is down and has been. Adding sports is a way to increase enrollment. The new mens swim/dive team is a perfect example. Few if any of the 25 man team are on full scholarship. Most if all would not be at YSU were it not for the new team. So they basically give a partial, probably funded by the Foundation and the student pays the rest. The cost of the program is minimal because the facilities are in place. Its actually a money maker and an enrollment generator.
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Some DIII schools actually offer many more sports than we do. They have found that high school athletes that play relatively fringe sports will actually pay for the privilege of continuing their careers on the college level. GBS20 is absolutely correct. Adding low scholarship sports helps more than it hinders. Another example is the new lacrosse program. In a radio interview, the coach stated that she has more than 20 commitments for next year from players all across the country.
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I would not say it is related to enrollment, as much as it is a part of scholarship & title-IX. The NCAA requires a certain number of scholarships, at a DI university, be for women. A school must also have have a fair balance between men's and women's scholarships. Swimming & Diving is not a head-count sport like men's Basketball or FBS/IA football. We can use equivalents & get a higher scholarship count with less money being spent. I think it also has to do with increasing the demand for housing, which will allow us to more rapidly expand the campus.
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The statement was made that the Athletic Department cant be in too much financial difficulty because they are adding sports, implying that they could have the resources to buy out Pelini. My point is that adding sports adds revenue/enrollment to the university because the fact that they funded by partial scholarships. IAA fan is right, it will also help to fill up student housing. They may also incentivize developers to continue to build new apartments. Pelini's contract may also have a buy out clause in it that is defines a fixed amount if terminated. It may also have a clause that negates any buyout if he gets another job because that job will likely pay more than what he makes at YSU, unlike what happened when he came to YSU from Nebraska. In other words, a buyout of Pelini is likely not to cost YSU much if anything unless he decides to sit and do nothing until the contract expires.
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No money game this year and basically not one next year, so I do not see having two money games as a doable thing. Although it would allow us to buy out Bo.
Seems we should have put more stock into the fact that Nebraska was willing to pay that much money to get rid of Bo.
How tight can money be if we are adding sports?
Yea there probably is some fat that could be trimmed in the AD Dept as is true with most schools.
With that said I can see where the powers to be would take a chance on Bo, big-time name, seemingly great resume, yadda yadda yadda, now the inevitable BUT. Disappointed that the folks in charge did not or could not see the direction of the program and gave an extension.
Sometimes when you mess up the best thing to do is suck it up, fix it and move on.
I feel bad for the seniors, they will be looking at empty seats for their last home game.
Why feel bad for the seniors? Looks to me like they quit playing and don't give a sh**. Empty stadium is what they want. Yeah the coaching staff sucks but when you quit as a player that tells me a lot about the character and culture they came from.
Maybe your correct but I am not willing to paint with a wide brush, yes some may want an empty stadium to prove a point but I doubt all do.
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The statement was made that the Athletic Department cant be in too much financial difficulty because they are adding sports, implying that they could have the resources to buy out Pelini. My point is that adding sports adds revenue/enrollment to the university because the fact that they funded by partial scholarships. IAA fan is right, it will also help to fill up student housing. They may also incentivize developers to continue to build new apartments. Pelini's contract may also have a buy out clause in it that is defines a fixed amount if terminated. It may also have a clause that negates any buyout if he gets another job because that job will likely pay more than what he makes at YSU, unlike what happened when he came to YSU from Nebraska. In other words, a buyout of Pelini is likely not to cost YSU much if anything unless he decides to sit and do nothing until the contract expires.
I was not suggesting that the money being spent on a swim team was equal to what we pay Bo. My point was that in my life, at a time when money was tight, we cut back in all areas and new spending was out of the question. I would expect any public entity to use the same thinking.
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The players have quit, Bo has run out of answers. Time for a new voice.
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Questions surround collapse of Penguins
YSU SPORTS
NOV 13, 2019
JOE SIMON
Sports Reporter
jsimon@tribtoday.com
YOUNGSTOWN — There are plenty of fingers being pointed by followers of the Youngstown State football team on what’s going wrong.
Defense. Offense. Coaches. Players.
Fans have taken to social media to call out the litany of issues and who’s to blame. The Penguins are pointing fingers as well — right at themselves.
Coach Bo Pelini admitted that losing five of the last six, including back-to-back lopsided losses, falls squarely on him.
“I apologize to everybody associated with this program,” said Pelini about YSU’s 56-21 loss to South Dakota last Saturday, which came after a 56-17 loss the week prior. “That’s unacceptable, and I’m responsible for it. I’m sick about it, and we’ve got to come out and play well Saturday and get some things fixed.”
Pelini isn’t the only one accepting blame.
No one knows the struggles of a defense that has given up 112 points in the last two games much better than Kyle Hegedus. The starting free safety is at the apex of a secondary that has been picked apart for much of the season. The senior also is the man who makes most of the calls to get the defense aligned, and thus he must take the wrath of Pelini when things go wrong.
They’ve gone wrong a lot lately.
“Point blank, we’re just not executing as a whole,” Hegedus said. “The way our defense is built, all 11 guys need to do their job. You have one guy who doesn’t do their job or isn’t aligned correctly, fits a block where they’re not supposed to, it messes up the whole defense.
“Overall, it’s just a lack of execution,” he added. “The coaches do a great job, I think it’s more communication on us players. That’s really where it lies. It’s not that they’re not teaching us correctly or not teaching us the right things. They’re putting us in the best position that they can, we’re just not executing up to our standards right now.”
YSU fell to 5-5 after Saturday’s loss, but more importantly the Penguins dropped to 1-5 in the Missouri Valley Football Conference and out of the FCS playoff picture.
Pelini understands that “playing for pride,” as he put it, isn’t what anyone expected, especially after a 4-0 start, but the Penguins have regressed as the year has gone on. The offense has lost its physical, run-first identity (rushing for 62 yards last week), and the defense has been shredded through the air and on the ground (two players ran for more than 100 yards, and the quarterback threw for four touchdowns last week).
The defensive-minded Pelini is mystified by it all.
“We didn’t do anything well the other day,” he said of the defense. “We lined up wrong in just basic calls. I had to call three timeouts in the first half because we weren’t lined up. The one time we were getting ready to blitz, and we weren’t even covered down (to compensate for the blitz), so I ran over and called timeout. We had 22 missed tackles. So, it was a comedy of errors, and it’s unacceptable.
“… We’re trying to turn over every stone, and we’re doing everything we possibly can to get this thing turned around.”
The Penguins travel to face another team looking for answers.
Indiana State is 3-7 and 1-5 in the MVFC. The Sycamores have lost four straight. Much like YSU, they were expected to contend for a playoff berth before losing their starting quarterback (ISU in Week 4; YSU in Week 9) and both teams’ only league win came against lowly Western Illinois.
Indiana State has played some of the conference’s better teams closely the last two weeks, while the Penguins have been outscored 112-38. Pelini said he’s considering giving younger players more playing time, but he said he must be careful not to put them in a position they’re not ready for.
“In all three phases, we’re also trying to weigh the possibility of playing some younger guys where possible,” he said. “You also don’t want to put them in there when they’re not ready. They’re on scout team in some cases. You have to weigh the benefits of putting them in there to get some experience, or do you wait until spring ball to get them going?
“This freshmen class we have is really talented,” he added. “It’s probably our best recruiting class from top to bottom. You don’t want to do it at the expense of them and of giving yourself the best chance to win.”
It’s a position Pelini and the Penguins never envisioned they would be in.
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WE LINED UP WRONG IN BASIC CALLS? Coach time to start recruiting football IQ and disciplined players. If you have to give up some talent and athleticism so be it. Out of the 7 cardinal mooney players on the active roster does anyone know how many are under scholarship? Seems like a high number for a Division 4 program that has been mediocre at best for several years. Most schools that size are lucky to send 1 student athlete to a Division 1 football program every 5 years
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WE LINED UP WRONG IN BASIC CALLS? Coach time to start recruiting football IQ and disciplined players. If you have to give up some talent and athleticism so be it. Out of the 7 cardinal mooney players on the active roster does anyone know how many are under scholarship? Seems like a high number for a Division 4 program that has been mediocre at best for several years. Most schools that size are lucky to send 1 student athlete to a Division 1 football program every 5 years
Recruiting?? Bo doesn't recruit! He relies on his assistants to do that. Just what I had stated before. Start recruiting athletes..not just football players!! Track, wrestling, baseball, basketball players that play football. Multi sport ATHLETES! Competitive kids..not football players. We never recruited the DelGarbino kid from Girard who was a state champion and runner up in wrestling at heavyweight and ended up wrestling at Princeton. Don't care if he was not FCS lineman material..he could have played eventually at YSU because he was an ATHLETE. DEVELOPMENT OF PLAYERS IS DEAD AT YSU! THEY NEED TO LEARN FROM MOUNT UNION!! Another one is Jake Esarco from Canfield. Multiple state placer in wrestling at 220lbs at Canfield and football lineman. Went to Colgate to play football but was never offered at YSU. Started 4 years at Colgate at D line. Another smart, hard nosed kid who we didn't even attempt to offer him. Football IQ, hard nosed, local talent, ATHLETES! Never offered or looked at.
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The best part is pelini said the current group of freshman on the team was his best recruiting class yet. I really hope it is actually really good but I'm not sure...
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WE LINED UP WRONG IN BASIC CALLS? Coach time to start recruiting football IQ and disciplined players. If you have to give up some talent and athleticism so be it. Out of the 7 cardinal mooney players on the active roster does anyone know how many are under scholarship? Seems like a high number for a Division 4 program that has been mediocre at best for several years. Most schools that size are lucky to send 1 student athlete to a Division 1 football program every 5 years
Recruiting?? Bo doesn't recruit! He relies on his assistants to do that. Just what I had stated before. Start recruiting athletes..not just football players!! Track, wrestling, baseball, basketball players that play football. Multi sport ATHLETES! Competitive kids..not football players. We never recruited the DelGarbino kid from Girard who was a state champion and runner up in wrestling at heavyweight and ended up wrestling at Princeton. Don't care if he was not FCS lineman material..he could have played eventually at YSU because he was an ATHLETE. DEVELOPMENT OF PLAYERS IS DEAD AT YSU! THEY NEED TO LEARN FROM MOUNT UNION!! Another one is Jake Esarco from Canfield. Multiple state placer in wrestling at 220lbs at Canfield and football lineman. Went to Colgate to play football but was never offered at YSU. Started 4 years at Colgate at D line. Another smart, hard nosed kid who we didn't even attempt to offer him. Football IQ, hard nosed, local talent, ATHLETES! Never offered or looked at.
Esarco is not really the best example though... Just because a kid could start for Colgate doesn’t mean he’s MVFC material. I’m not defending the YSU recruiting efforts I just know if I buy your Athletes over football players argument. I do agree that player development plays a huge role (or lack of) in the failure
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I cannot agree with the multi-sport athletes at the DI level. Don't get me wrong, having down linemen that can wrestle is always nice because they learn to use their hands and maybe some foot skills. That is about it. We are not a D-III school so we cannot pattern anything off of any D-III program. They need multi-sport athletes as they do not have scholarships for football. YSU is a DI program that has 63 scholarships that are just for football players and that is what we need to be recruiting ...and we are not doing so right now. I am not excited about a 220lb DL from Canfield unless he is playing in the Ohio/PA all-star game at defensive-end and rotated into the offensive backfield. I would rather spend my DL money on a kid that has a chance of getting to 320lbs. There are very few scholarships at wrestling & if he went to Princeton, he is solid in wrestling and in the classroom. Probably not a Penguin football candidate.
I hate to say it, but as Heacock found out, there are not too many quality local kids that are not going to larger programs. The days of finding real talent in the 2nd & 3rd string local players is certainly gone by now. Just how many DI schools are in the Valley these days?
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Therr are 30+ kids from Hudson to Salem on the roster. I did not count Western Pa or Akron. If u have an 80 man roster and thats how u want to fill the holes its obvious it gets u 1 to 3 wins in the MVFC. In addition, its done nothing for attendance.
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I cannot agree with the multi-sport athletes at the DI level. Don't get me wrong, having down linemen that can wrestle is always nice because they learn to use their hands and maybe some foot skills. That is about it. We are not a D-III school so we cannot pattern anything off of any D-III program. They need multi-sport athletes as they do not have scholarships for football. YSU is a DI program that has 63 scholarships that are just for football players and that is what we need to be recruiting ...and we are not doing so right now. I am not excited about a 220lb DL from Canfield unless he is playing in the Ohio/PA all-star game at defensive-end and rotated into the offensive backfield. I would rather spend my DL money on a kid that has a chance of getting to 320lbs. There are very few scholarships at wrestling & if he went to Princeton, he is solid in wrestling and in the classroom. Probably not a Penguin football candidate.
I hate to say it, but as Heacock found out, there are not too many quality local kids that are not going to larger programs. The days of finding real talent in the 2nd & 3rd string local players is certainly gone by now. Just how many DI schools are in the Valley these days?
Jake Esarco. 6’4” 290 at Colgate. He wrestled at 220 in high school. That is where we are missing the boat. We don’t know how to develop players and see potential. Check out the starting offensive line from Iowa when you get the chance. All 5 were either state champ wrestlers or placers. I think good coaches want multi sport athletes that COMPETE!!! Not just single sport athletes that don’t know how to WIN!! Losing is a disease. We don’t have tough, hard nosed ATHLETES!! That can move. Have skills beyond those required for positions. The athletes that NDSU put on the field were just that - ATHLETIC! You didn’t have to be a football coach to see the difference between our sloppy and slow players vs. their athletic talent.
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I'm reading some of these posts and am just incredulous! Somebody thinks we are starting Men's swimming to attract 45 men as students who wouldn't have otherwise attend? I read this twice to be sure I was reading correctly. The cost of Men's Swimming will be hundreds of times more that any tuition paid by the new students. This is so outlandish as to make me thing is is joke.
Now I am reading about the Iowa high school wrestlers going to Iowa to play football and that is why there OL is better than ours, because we don't have enough wrestlers? Seriously? I know, we'll fire Bo Pelini and hire Randy Orton or maybe even Stone Cold Steve Austin as our new HC!!! The mentality of a wrestler and a football player are reasonably close and I'm NOT suggesting we stay away from wrestlers being recruited as football players. Several very good NFL players have wrestling backgrounds. But the stars of Iowa aren't coming to YSU and we don't have great wrestling programs around us to recruit from, this is just so much wasted key strokes. The heart of the problem is the name of the thread, please re-read: Fire Pelini
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I'm reading some of these posts and am just incredulous! Somebody thinks we are starting Men's swimming to attract 45 men as students who wouldn't have otherwise attend? I read this twice to be sure I was reading correctly. The cost of Men's Swimming will be hundreds of times more that any tuition paid by the new students. This is so outlandish as to make me thing is is joke.
Now I am reading about the Iowa high school wrestlers going to Iowa to play football and that is why there OL is better than ours, because we don't have enough wrestlers? Seriously? I know, we'll fire Bo Pelini and hire Randy Orton or maybe even Stone Cold Steve Austin as our new HC!!! The mentality of a wrestler and a football player are reasonably close and I'm NOT suggesting we stay away from wrestlers being recruited as football players. Several very good NFL players have wrestling backgrounds. But the stars of Iowa aren't coming to YSU and we don't have great wrestling programs around us to recruit from, this is just so much wasted key strokes. The heart of the problem is the name of the thread, please re-read: Fire Pelini
The best wrestling schools have the best football teams and it is not a coincidence
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I'm reading some of these posts and am just incredulous! Somebody thinks we are starting Men's swimming to attract 45 men as students who wouldn't have otherwise attend? I read this twice to be sure I was reading correctly. The cost of Men's Swimming will be hundreds of times more that any tuition paid by the new students. This is so outlandish as to make me thing is is joke.
Now I am reading about the Iowa high school wrestlers going to Iowa to play football and that is why there OL is better than ours, because we don't have enough wrestlers? Seriously? I know, we'll fire Bo Pelini and hire Randy Orton or maybe even Stone Cold Steve Austin as our new HC!!! The mentality of a wrestler and a football player are reasonably close and I'm NOT suggesting we stay away from wrestlers being recruited as football players. Several very good NFL players have wrestling backgrounds. But the stars of Iowa aren't coming to YSU and we don't have great wrestling programs around us to recruit from, this is just so much wasted key strokes. The heart of the problem is the name of the thread, please re-read: Fire Pelini
The best wrestling schools have the best football teams and it is not a coincidence
That's why Lehigh is in the to 10 nationally and NOT A SINGLE SEC school is in the top 25? I love blanket statements that clearly aren't supported by fact.
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I'm reading some of these posts and am just incredulous! Somebody thinks we are starting Men's swimming to attract 45 men as students who wouldn't have otherwise attend? I read this twice to be sure I was reading correctly. The cost of Men's Swimming will be hundreds of times more that any tuition paid by the new students. This is so outlandish as to make me thing is is joke.
Now I am reading about the Iowa high school wrestlers going to Iowa to play football and that is why there OL is better than ours, because we don't have enough wrestlers? Seriously? I know, we'll fire Bo Pelini and hire Randy Orton or maybe even Stone Cold Steve Austin as our new HC!!! The mentality of a wrestler and a football player are reasonably close and I'm NOT suggesting we stay away from wrestlers being recruited as football players. Several very good NFL players have wrestling backgrounds. But the stars of Iowa aren't coming to YSU and we don't have great wrestling programs around us to recruit from, this is just so much wasted key strokes. The heart of the problem is the name of the thread, please re-read: Fire Pelini
The best wrestling schools have the best football teams and it is not a coincidence
That's why Lehigh is in the to 10 nationally and NOT A SINGLE SEC school is in the top 25? I love blanket statements that clearly aren't supported by fact.
I think you are missing the point. I don't think he meant in college..he meant high school as far as being the best football programs have good wrestling program. Do me a favor...go on NDSU roster and randomly pick some of their starters and look at their high school accomplishments...I just did..lots of hockey, wrestling, basketball, baseball, state placers, state champions, etc..here is their starting fullback bio for example...
HIGH SCHOOL: Graduated in 2015 from Frazee-Vergas High School...Four-year starter for the Hornets coached by Jim Rader...Primarily played linebacker and offensive line...Three-time all-conference honoree...Conference defensive MVP as a junior and linebacker of the year as a senior...Helped lead the Hornets to a 24-7 record over his final thee years including a 9-2 mark and Section 8AA runner-up finish in 2014...Set school records for tackles in a season and career...Also a state champion wrestler...Went 48-0 his senior year in winning the Class 1A heavyweight title.
You will also notice that I started this thread so this is all about getting rid of Bo as a head coach and recruiting is a huge factor on why we cannot compete at this level and he is in charge of recruiting! RECRUIT ATHLETES! Not only strong football abilities but the ability to COMPETE! OTHER SPORTS GIVE YOU THAT SKILL AND ABILITY TO COMPETE AND THE DRIVE TO WIN!!
Read this...
https://www.stack.com/a/iowa-footballs-offensive-linemen-are-multi-sport-monsters-of-athleticism
And this
https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/09/13/iowa-hawkeyes-offensive-line-wrestling
Also...if you think wrestling is the WWE stuff on TV then you really are not in touch with what this team is missing as far as athletes and what wrestling really is. And I am not saying they have to be wrestlers...any sport...track, hockey, basketball, baseball, lacrosse...etc...They don't know how to recruit these kinds of kids and until we do we will not compete in this conference again...
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I'm reading some of these posts and am just incredulous! Somebody thinks we are starting Men's swimming to attract 45 men as students who wouldn't have otherwise attend? I read this twice to be sure I was reading correctly. The cost of Men's Swimming will be hundreds of times more that any tuition paid by the new students. This is so outlandish as to make me thing is is joke.
Now I am reading about the Iowa high school wrestlers going to Iowa to play football and that is why there OL is better than ours, because we don't have enough wrestlers? Seriously? I know, we'll fire Bo Pelini and hire Randy Orton or maybe even Stone Cold Steve Austin as our new HC!!! The mentality of a wrestler and a football player are reasonably close and I'm NOT suggesting we stay away from wrestlers being recruited as football players. Several very good NFL players have wrestling backgrounds. But the stars of Iowa aren't coming to YSU and we don't have great wrestling programs around us to recruit from, this is just so much wasted key strokes. The heart of the problem is the name of the thread, please re-read: Fire Pelini
The best wrestling schools have the best football teams and it is not a coincidence
That's why Lehigh is in the to 10 nationally and NOT A SINGLE SEC school is in the top 25? I love blanket statements that clearly aren't supported by fact.
You must be a liberal because you have to parse words to support your narrative. Lehigh is not high level football and should not be counted. It is a general statement that is accurate but not precise meaning that it obviously doesn't apply to all schools but there are more schools with that have elite football programs and good wrestling programs. I don't know if this is because of the strength coaches or athlete make-up but this is a well known thing that I am pointing out and there are some people on here that know this. Read this fact checker.
https://www.lenconnect.com/sports/20170130/is-there-link-between-countys-football-and-wrestling-success
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I'm reading some of these posts and am just incredulous! Somebody thinks we are starting Men's swimming to attract 45 men as students who wouldn't have otherwise attend? I read this twice to be sure I was reading correctly. The cost of Men's Swimming will be hundreds of times more that any tuition paid by the new students. This is so outlandish as to make me thing is is joke.
Now I am reading about the Iowa high school wrestlers going to Iowa to play football and that is why there OL is better than ours, because we don't have enough wrestlers? Seriously? I know, we'll fire Bo Pelini and hire Randy Orton or maybe even Stone Cold Steve Austin as our new HC!!! The mentality of a wrestler and a football player are reasonably close and I'm NOT suggesting we stay away from wrestlers being recruited as football players. Several very good NFL players have wrestling backgrounds. But the stars of Iowa aren't coming to YSU and we don't have great wrestling programs around us to recruit from, this is just so much wasted key strokes. The heart of the problem is the name of the thread, please re-read: Fire Pelini
The best wrestling schools have the best football teams and it is not a coincidence
That's why Lehigh is in the to 10 nationally and NOT A SINGLE SEC school is in the top 25? I love blanket statements that clearly aren't supported by fact.
You must be a liberal because you have to parse words to support your narrative. Lehigh is not high level football and should not be counted. It is a general statement that is accurate but not precise meaning that it obviously doesn't apply to all schools but there are more schools with that have elite football programs and good wrestling programs. I don't know if this is because of the strength coaches or athlete make-up but this is a well known thing that I am pointing out and there are some people on here that know this. Read this fact checker.
https://www.lenconnect.com/sports/20170130/is-there-link-between-countys-football-and-wrestling-success
WHAT??? All I am saying is our recruiting sucks because our coaches don't know how to recruit tough, hard nosed kids. And the way to get those kids is find ones that are multi sport athletes that make them winners, not the losers we have out there on the field right now. Again...you missed the point and make assumptions about my political stance...WTF??? You are weird...
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I'm reading some of these posts and am just incredulous! Somebody thinks we are starting Men's swimming to attract 45 men as students who wouldn't have otherwise attend? I read this twice to be sure I was reading correctly. The cost of Men's Swimming will be hundreds of times more that any tuition paid by the new students. This is so outlandish as to make me thing is is joke.
Now I am reading about the Iowa high school wrestlers going to Iowa to play football and that is why there OL is better than ours, because we don't have enough wrestlers? Seriously? I know, we'll fire Bo Pelini and hire Randy Orton or maybe even Stone Cold Steve Austin as our new HC!!! The mentality of a wrestler and a football player are reasonably close and I'm NOT suggesting we stay away from wrestlers being recruited as football players. Several very good NFL players have wrestling backgrounds. But the stars of Iowa aren't coming to YSU and we don't have great wrestling programs around us to recruit from, this is just so much wasted key strokes. The heart of the problem is the name of the thread, please re-read: Fire Pelini
The best wrestling schools have the best football teams and it is not a coincidence
That's why Lehigh is in the to 10 nationally and NOT A SINGLE SEC school is in the top 25? I love blanket statements that clearly aren't supported by fact.
You must be a liberal because you have to parse words to support your narrative. Lehigh is not high level football and should not be counted. It is a general statement that is accurate but not precise meaning that it obviously doesn't apply to all schools but there are more schools with that have elite football programs and good wrestling programs. I don't know if this is because of the strength coaches or athlete make-up but this is a well known thing that I am pointing out and there are some people on here that know this. Read this fact checker.
https://www.lenconnect.com/sports/20170130/is-there-link-between-countys-football-and-wrestling-success
WHAT??? All I am saying is our recruiting sucks because our coaches don't know how to recruit tough, hard nosed kids. And the way to get those kids is find ones that are multi sport athletes that make them winners, not the losers we have out there on the field right now. Again...you missed the point and make assumptions about my political stance...WTF??? You are weird...
Peteonastick, this was not directed at you.
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Cough cough
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Bo must go!!
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would not want to be on the same bus as Bo
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would not want to be on the same bus as Bo
I would. I'd like to have a few minutes to ask him exactly WTF is going on with this program.
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Sad,,,Just sad what this has come to. We got beaten by a second rate FCS program on a field akin to a small, rural D7 Ohio high school. I can’t see more than 1000 people showing up next week. Only parents, family, friends and diehards. Good luck selling tickets and getting sponsors next season,,,this program has imploded. So many to blame,,,just amazed it has come to this.
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The pressure is on Bo but too bad the administration doesn't give a sh*t. Strollo is afraid of Bo.
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I will be there
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Sad,,,Just sad what this has come to. We got beaten by a second rate FCS program on a field akin to a small, rural D7 Ohio high school. I can’t see more than 1000 people showing up next week. Only parents, family, friends and diehards. Good luck selling tickets and getting sponsors next season,,,this program has imploded. So many to blame,,,just amazed it has come to this.
Nobody will be there - College Gameday is at Ohio State this coming Saturday for the PSU game at 12:00. Fat chance on anyone being at the game and rightfully so as not many will want to support this coach. I feel for the kids but they have been the taking the brunt of his BS for too long. They deserve better.
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The university should offer free tickets(for walk-ups) and free beer for those in attendance
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Pete you may be reaching to think we will get 1000 fans. You are correct, it is pathetic. The blame starts at the top with Ron Strollo, he doesn't hold Pelini accountable. Not sure why Pelini got a three year extension after a 4-7 season and loss to Butler.
But whats even worse, nothing will be done about this.
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Anyone get the survey yet? Any thoughts??? My brother actually gets the emails and buys our annual 16 season tickets with tailgate passes. He says he has never been asked to answer a survey in the past. So is this coincidental or are they looking for proof of some kind to make changes to the program even though they shouldn’t need fan feedback to tell them this program is incredibly bad.
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Anyone get the survey yet? Any thoughts??? My brother actually gets the emails and buys our annual 16 season tickets with tailgate passes. He says he has never been asked to answer a survey in the past. So is this coincidental or are they looking for proof of some kind to make changes to the program even though they shouldn’t need fan feedback to tell them this program is incredibly bad.
Not yet. You say it is an email?
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Yes, the survey appeared in my email at 10:30 this morning. I indeed find it odd that they are doing this before the final game. Much of this survey consists of trivial stuff, but there is opportunity to blast them (if you are so inclined) on parking and any other aspect of the game-day experience that displeases you. You can also check a box telling them that you will not renew your season tickets. The only place your can express your unhappiness with the team itself comes in the final section of the survey. I filled up that final box and I expect that many of you will do the same.
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Strollo has indicated that he meets with coaches after every season. I think you need to read between the lines based on the timing. Where there is smoke there is fire.
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Oh Please Ron and JT. Fire Bo! Go get a hot shot D2 coach or pluck a Coordinator from one of the Dakota's. Slippery Rock has had GREAT success the past few years with a new coach. Go interview him. Please
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If they have to do a survey to inform them things aren't going well, come on.
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Pete you may be reaching to think we will get 1000 fans. You are correct, it is pathetic. The blame starts at the top with Ron Strollo, he doesn't hold Pelini accountable. Not sure why Pelini got a three year extension after a 4-7 season and loss to Butler.
But whats even worse, nothing will be done about this.
That wasn't me..I am saying nobody will be there..parents of seniors only and a few Michigan fans as they play at 3:30.
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Strollo has indicated that he meets with coaches after every season. I think you need to read between the lines based on the timing. Where there is smoke there is fire.
Agreed. I find it amazing that they just can't see what is going on and pull the trigger without fan input. Making the season ticket holders the scapegoats? A little gutless if you ask me. That is if it used at the end of the season as part of the reason he is let go??
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Do the players on the roster respect Bo Pelini as their coach? Are they still buying in to what he's selling or has he lost this team ? Does anyone have serious input on this with actual knowledge without spouting irrational dislike ? I have refrained from this thread but YSU football is WAY bigger than the head coach.
I'm far removed from YSU but I have heard a few things from some in the area. While I support the coach and the program but where there is smoke there is fire.
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I'll do some digging but my thing is... Why after a tough loss or 2 does this team just completely fall apart? Acting like they don't care. Bo and some players talked all off season about how the culture has changed and they had some bad apples last year which contributed to that. Ok so what's the excuse now?
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I just thk the staff is a major issue. Most are barely older then the players. Who is gonna respect them? Especially this day and age with all the distractions. Its no secret millennials respect no one. Not to mention they have no resume. Its like hiring professors with zero experience. Its a joke. Just think about that for a minute. Its insane. Then u have one of the coaches sons running around with an axe like he is the motivator. Only at YSU would this be tolerated.
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The team reflects the assistant coaches as much as anything. The units spend a ton of time with them. The HC has a lot of other things to do but is certainly involved, but cannot be everywhere at every minute. The weaknesses with out assistants is a major issue.
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I listened to the radio show with Hannon and Pelini last night. Pelini is delusional, he talked about all the great young talent, and that this team will contend for a league title next year. Pelini said big changes are coming, and Hannon asked him to be more specific. Pelini said he can't right now, only that big changes are coming.
Its all BS, I would be stunned if he makes any changes in staff or anything major, we will see. He said that wide receiver CJ Charleston will be a super star, he did look good vs Indiana State. Pelini also said after the first four games that DeMarko Craig(defensive tackle) would be an All American, and he didn't even make the trip to Indiana State and Craig overwhelmed in conference play.
I seriously think Pelini has lost it and isn't seeing how bad it is.
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With the contract situation, I woould say that we don't have a choice but to let it play out. I hope the big changes he is referring to are changes to the asstiant coaching staff. Keep Carl and the rest, well.......
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Based upon what I have heard from a person that is close to the program, I now expect significant changes to the assistant coaching staff. I don't have permission to reveal this source, but he is reliable.
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As Bo would say it's just a comedy of errors. This roster is made up of mostly D-2 talent and lower level FCS recruits and a few D-1 transfers that are not working out like they hoped. If he thinks he can win with that in the Missouri next year he might want to think again. Remember this is a coach who told Joey Burrow(LSU) He wasn't good enough to play at Nebraska and was better suited for the MAC level.The hand writing was on the wall when the class of 2015 offered by Wolford the previous year decided to go elsewhere. With the state this program is in, what quality recruits in their right mind would want to come here? Bo should do the right thing and part ways with YSU
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As Bo would say it's just a comedy of errors. This roster is made up of mostly D-2 talent and lower level FCS recruits and a few D-1 transfers that are not working out like they hoped. If he thinks he can win with that in the Missouri next year he might want to think again. Remember this is a coach who told Joey Burrow(LSU) He wasn't good enough to play at Nebraska and was better suited for the MAC level.The hand writing was on the wall when the class of 2015 offered by Wolford the previous year decided to go elsewhere. With the state this program is in, what quality recruits in their right mind would want to come here? Bo should do the right thing and part ways with YSU
Joe Burrow was awarded the Ohio Mr. Football Award and Ohio Gatorade Player of the Year Award as a senior. He was also a standout basketball player, and was named first-team all-state at point guard his senior year. Burrow was rated as a four-star football recruit, and was the eighth-highest ranked dual-threat quarterback in the class of 2015 according to the 247Sports Composite.He committed to Ohio State to play football on May 27, 2014. The only connection to Nebraska was his dad played there who was in 2014 the D coordinator for Ohio University. looks like your information about Bo not offering him is hearsay!?
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I got the survey #34. It seems like more of a game-day atmosphere survey; but I did mention a few things that I would like to see. The one thing that I forgot is that I would like them to make the video board back to more of a scoreboard with video. I wish to see time, TOL, etc.i It is like we only have the new smaller scoreboard now.
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I got the survey #34. It seems like more of a game-day atmosphere survey; but I did mention a few things that I would like to see. The one thing that I forgot is that I would like them to make the video board back to more of a scoreboard with video. I wish to see time, TOL, etc.i It is like we only have the new smaller scoreboard now.
My survey would ask why we are adding Lacrosse, Swimming, bowling, etc. and take on all of the those coaching, recruiting, and travel expenses when the onl sport that matters has a litany of coaches that are underpaid by today's standards and is not helping the only sport that matters to win.
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I've heard some new assistant coaches will be coming. Bo is staying.
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I got the survey #34. It seems like more of a game-day atmosphere survey; but I did mention a few things that I would like to see. The one thing that I forgot is that I would like them to make the video board back to more of a scoreboard with video. I wish to see time, TOL, etc.i It is like we only have the new smaller scoreboard now.
To me it was strange, maybe because I’m so frustrated with the program. Since we have never been sent a survey in the past. Was this a legitimate honest survey? Ok, I’ll buy that as I think they SHOULD ask us our thoughts. Nothing wrong with trying to make the game day experience positive/better. Btw-our biggest gripe in sec 4 row 13 is that the PA system is worse than the football team, as if that’s even possible. Also, the radio feed they have in the concessions is equally piss poor. Anyway, couldn’t help but to also wonder, did they mask an a opportunity for fans to blast Pelini, Strollo and whoever else by creating it to look simply as a “game day experience survey.” Idk...maybe it’s just my own delusional conspiracy. Either way, PLENTY OF THINGS NEED IMPROVED ON. Judging by pelini’s presser today, he is either spouting more general BS or he had an actual, real life, honest, productive come to Jesus with himself. Can’t wait to see what all these changes are going to be next year. Except, we are still undecided on renewing our tickets.
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I hope they surprise me but I don't see us being able to afford any coordinators that are going to "wow" us with their resumes.
That being said I will welcome the changes and the attempt to improve because staying with the status quo with the current staff would be throwing next year away before it even begins.
I'm going to guess (hope) Carl returns to D coordinator\assistant head coach and maybe we change a few other position coaches also.
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They can't afford to buy out Bo, but hopefully they lean on him to make some changes to the staff. Need to put Carl back to DC and fire at least two of these three, D'Alesio, Baker and Gomes. Too bad they had to get rid of McNutt. Secondary was definitely better under him
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https://www.vindy.com/sports/ysu-sports/2019/11/changes-on-the-horizon-for-penguins/
Questions arise...it took him this long to figure out he needs to change his coaching philosophy to today's athletes? Is this a kink in his armor? Was there a meeting with admin that precipitated this? Will he be more transparent with fans, media, administration?
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https://www.vindy.com/sports/ysu-sports/2019/11/changes-on-the-horizon-for-penguins/
Questions arise...it took him this long to figure out he needs to change his coaching philosophy to today's athletes? Is this a kink in his armor? Was there a meeting with admin that precipitated this? Will he be more transparent with fans, media, administration?
he needs to say, "change coaching philosophy for today's athletes", but it doesn't mean he is going to change, even a little bit. He wen't with new young coordinators and who doesn't think that's a full blown disaster?
meeting with admin? NOT that anyone will ever admit, that's for sure
transparent with fans NO, media NO NO and administration NO NO NO!
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Bo may very well understand the game, but it does not seem that he is a players coach. Maybe he can change this, I guess that he has three years to prove it.
Big difference between Nebraska and YSU is obviously the budget, can't afford to hire folks to cover some of his weaknesses, whether it be player relationships or X's and o's.
Any idea how his salary compares to other hc's in the league? What about assistants?
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Bo may very well understand the game, but it does not seem that he is a players coach. Maybe he can change this, I guess that he has three years to prove it.
Big difference between Nebraska and YSU is obviously the budget, can't afford to hire folks to cover some of his weaknesses, whether it be player relationships or X's and o's.
Any idea how his salary compares to other hc's in the league? What about assistants?
We are near the bottom if not the lowest paid.
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Bo may very well understand the game, but it does not seem that he is a players coach. Maybe he can change this, I guess that he has three years to prove it.
Big difference between Nebraska and YSU is obviously the budget, can't afford to hire folks to cover some of his weaknesses, whether it be player relationships or X's and o's.
Any idea how his salary compares to other hc's in the league? What about assistants?
We are near the bottom if not the lowest paid.
I'm a little surprised by this. I'm not saying you are wrong, its just odd to me.
I would say we likely have among the BEST, if not the top, facilities in the conference. This is a weird disparity.
To me, college football success is 90% recruiting. Every hire we make should be evaluated as both a coach and recruiter equally. We can't just hire young guys and hope they have the energy and drive to figure it out. Adding accomplished recruiters with tons of established connections should be a very high priority.
We've all seen what Bo can do with a talented team. If they made it to the NC because or despite him is open for debate, but he did get us there.
The other 10% of college football success is in game adjustments. Yeah we lose that one almost every week LOL.
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3 years. welcome to mens basketball. no play-offs no fans no interest. not good for the athletic budget
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Bo's salary is top 10 in FCS. Assistant salaries are not.
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He has hinted at some changes, not clear what they may be, but we will have to wait and see what they are.
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From today's Tribune/Vindy:
Listen up, Pelini coming back for YSU
SPORT COLUMNS
DEC 8, 2019
JOE SIMON
Sports Reporter
jsimon@tribtoday.com
YOUNGSTOWN
TELLING people what they don’t want to hear is never an easy thing to do — for anyone.
Doctors have to do it. Families have to do it. Friends, bosses, co-workers — and journalists. We all do. It’s part of life, whether we like it or not.
So, while some people don’t want to hear that Youngstown State football coach Bo Pelini will be returning next season, he will, indeed, be back on the sidelines. He’s not quitting, and YSU isn’t firing him.
Pelini and the Penguins agreed on a three-year extension in February of 2019, and YSU isn’t the type of institution to buy out a coach after one year. This isn’t Nebraska, and Pelini isn’t a quitter.
The reason his continued time at YSU may be disappointing to fans is because Pelini’s tenure — and teams — have been terribly inconsistent.
There was plenty of excitement when the fiery, high-profile coach was hired in December of 2014, and most people were surprised the former Nebraska head coach came back to Youngstown to be part of a lower level of Division I football (FCS). Things started off well, with Pelini leading YSU to the FCS Championship game in 2016, just his second year, but things have gone downhill since then.
The Penguins were 6-5 in 2017, 4-7 in 2018 and 6-6 this year. Pelini is 33-28 overall in five years as head coach and 18-22 in the brutal Missouri Valley Football Conference. The man who won 70 percent of his games and never had less than nine wins in a season with the Cornhuskers is barely over .500 at YSU, with one playoff appearance.
As disappointing as this is for fans, it’s even more frustrating for Pelini, a Youngstown native deeply rooted into the area. As a reporter who has covered YSU for Pelini’s entire tenure, the dissatisfaction of his time at YSU became more and more evident over the last two seasons.
A defensive guru throughout his career, Pelini was often left without an explanation or understanding of why players were making inexplicable mistakes on that side of the ball. His teams have often followed great performances with terrible ones. They looked uninspired one week and ready to run through a wall the next. Pelini has often admitted to being baffled by the up-and-down play. Fans and members of the media are as well.
His tone changed toward the end of this season. The last few months, he sounded different than I’ve ever heard him. A coach who was a key part of a Super Bowl title (San Francisco, 1995) and a national championship (LSU, 2008) sounded distraught and beat down — but not defeated. Instead of losing his temper, as he has many times in his career, Pelini was more focused on figuring out how he can reach a new generation of players.
It’s not easy. Ask any coach at any level. Times have changed, and so have people. The changes aren’t necessarily bad, but for an intense, in-your-face 51-year-old football coach who is used to the grit and grime of the Youngstown rustbelt, this social revolution is a bit of a rude awakening. Just because he’s coaching in Youngstown doesn’t mean the players are going to respond to the old-school approach that seems to reflect the Mahoning Valley.
Pelini seems to be realizing this, and he talked, extensively but not specifically, about adapting to a new age of players during a Nov. 19 press conference.
“The kids are different now,” he said. “It’s a different dynamic as far as how they were brought up playing the game. I don’t know that a lot of the kids these days are watching the sport the way we did. They’re definitely not playing in the backyard the way we did growing up, which creates different challenges. I could spend an hour on it and how some of the aspects of coaching have changed over the last seven, eight years, but you’ve got to adapt.
“You have to really think it through and be prepared to make the necessary changes to meet the challenges that lie ahead. I feel comfortable that maybe some of the frustrations that have come through this year have helped me identify some of the important issues and develop a plan to move forward and better this football team.”
It was an honest answer from a man who is willing to accept that some of the very qualities that helped him reach the pinnacle of the sport may be the same ones leading to his demise. People, especially from this area, should appreciate such authenticity. I did.
All that said, if Pelini was almost any other coach, he probably wouldn’t be here. Certainly no other coach (aside from maybe Jim Tressel) would receive a contract extension after a 4-7 season in which his team suffered one of the most embarrassing losses in school history (the 2018 home opener to Butler). But, that’s what a glowing background does for you in the coaching world.
Yes, some of the statistics and records under Pelini are ugly, and after five years, the team should be well on its way to continuity instead of trending downward, but maybe, just maybe his recent self reflection will be a revelation for him. There is still hope for him to turn things around.
That’s what Penguin fans need to cling to because YSU and Bo Pelini are sticking together, whether people want to hear it or not.
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Bo is just realizing times have changed, What is he living in a bubble.
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For those interested in following the Pelini brothers saga
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/carl-pelini-turns-himself-in-to-police-following-alleged-domestic-violence-incident/ar-AANWoiu
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Good news is, this conduct is not YSUs problem anymore.
From reading that, he deserves jail time.
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Been a season ticket holder since 83. Done. Will tailgate to have fun. Will not go into another game until the Mooney faction is gone. I’m done.
I don't get this entirely. Domestic violence is about crime not football ticket sales. You don't do or not so something because of the tickets he may or may not sell.
Second, I don't get the Cardinal Mooney connection. I have employees, and heaven forbid, one of them commits domestic violence, you think I, or my business, should be punished? You guys Taliban or something? For decades Mooney has been the preeminent HS football program in the valley, YSU is the preemminat 1AA football program in Ohio, of course there will be a bunch of well coached, but less that 1A talent coming out of Mooney and YSU is a logical place for them to play. This is a good and natural thing, why does it need to be severed because of a A-Hole criminal who happens to be a coach? Domestic violence happens in EVERY walk of life, every day. Yes it needs addressed, but it isn't a "sports" issue, it's a societal issue.
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Been a season ticket holder since 83. Done. Will tailgate to have fun. Will not go into another game until the Mooney faction is gone. I’m done.
I don't get this entirely. Domestic violence is about crime not football ticket sales. You don't do or not so something because of the tickets he may or may not sell.
Second, I don't get the Cardinal Mooney connection. I have employees, and heaven forbid, one of them commits domestic violence, you think I, or my business, should be punished? You guys Taliban or something? For decades Mooney has been the preeminent HS football program in the valley, YSU is the preemminat 1AA football program in Ohio, of course there will be a bunch of well coached, but less that 1A talent coming out of Mooney and YSU is a logical place for them to play. This is a good and natural thing, why does it need to be severed because of a A-Hole criminal who happens to be a coach? Domestic violence happens in EVERY walk of life, every day. Yes it needs addressed, but it isn't a "sports" issue, it's a societal issue.
Dude---you are quoting from something from two years ago. That guy's comment has nothing to do with the domestic violence charges. It was entirely about the football program stinking in 2018 and 2019.
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Pelini walks. It was just a misunderstanding.
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Been a season ticket holder since 83. Done. Will tailgate to have fun. Will not go into another game until the Mooney faction is gone. I’m done.
I don't get this entirely. Domestic violence is about crime not football ticket sales. You don't do or not so something because of the tickets he may or may not sell.
Second, I don't get the Cardinal Mooney connection. I have employees, and heaven forbid, one of them commits domestic violence, you think I, or my business, should be punished? You guys Taliban or something? For decades Mooney has been the preeminent HS football program in the valley, YSU is the preemminat 1AA football program in Ohio, of course there will be a bunch of well coached, but less that 1A talent coming out of Mooney and YSU is a logical place for them to play. This is a good and natural thing, why does it need to be severed because of a A-Hole criminal who happens to be a coach? Domestic violence happens in EVERY walk of life, every day. Yes it needs addressed, but it isn't a "sports" issue, it's a societal issue.
Dude---you are quoting from something from two years ago. That guy's comment has nothing to do with the domestic violence charges. It was entirely about the football program stinking in 2018 and 2019.
18 & 19? wasn't that also 2 and 3 years ago?