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Title: Attendance reality
Post by: guinpen on October 12, 2019, 10:53:38 PM
For years on this board people have barked about our schedule and used it as the reason we have so many empty seats.

Last home game was against a playoff team from last year, tonight we hosted the # 3 team in the country. No more butts in the seats then our game against Howard.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: The YO Show on October 12, 2019, 11:07:52 PM
It was probably roughly equivalent but to be honest I thought there were more people there tonight. Won't be many the rest of the way though I'm guessing
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: go guins on October 14, 2019, 09:04:29 AM
For the record:
Howard 12,380
SDSU    12,381
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: YGUINSNO1 on October 14, 2019, 05:37:30 PM
Yep...The usual result in stands   😕
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: IAA Fan on October 15, 2019, 06:25:29 AM
Attendance has been pretty good this year ...so far. The two new loges (from the media moving across the field) sold in advance and the line is still long for more. It was smart to let the HS bands stay as reward for the trip. I propose that we do a parade of bands before the game next time. Bring in about 6-10 bands for the parade & then they march right into Stambaugh for the show.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: go guins on October 15, 2019, 09:10:30 AM
The two new loges (from the media moving across the field) sold in advance and the line is still long for more.
Perhaps we screwed up not building loges to the end of East stands extending the Don C Multimedia Center from end to end?  Would have been MUCH easier to do as one project than starting a second one later?
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: guinpen on October 15, 2019, 07:54:21 PM
For the record:
Howard 12,380
SDSU    12,381

Point made that it is not about who we are playing. There is a core group of YSU fans and others that it is not that important to. Just the way it is.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: The YO Show on October 15, 2019, 08:46:10 PM
Guinpen, I suppose that is a valid point. But, as a core fan, I still prefer games against opponents like SDSU.
On another note, had we beaten UNI the week prior, I believe attendance would have been better.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: goodnews on October 16, 2019, 12:04:02 AM
I think its safe to say diehard fans of yesterday are gone and not just at YSU.  People want an experience not just a chairback seat.  Food and social environment.  The game is merely an after thgt.  Thats why I think a beer garden and patio area that overlooks the field is the way to go.  Between the the east stands and beeghly. 
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: go guins on October 16, 2019, 10:55:15 AM
I think its safe to say diehard fans of yesterday are gone and not just at YSU.  People want an experience not just a chairback seat.  Food and social environment.  The game is merely an after thgt.  Thats why I think a beer garden and patio area that overlooks the field is the way to go.  Between the the east stands and beeghly.
I think that sounds like an interesting idea.  "The Corner" is VERY successful for the Indians, and worth trying.  Club seating with food service facilities is another idea many, including JMU, have tried with GREAT success.  One thing for sure, if you aren't moving forward, you are moving backward!  I think the DCMC is a great addition, but with -0- fan benefits.  We most often vote based on the economy, and I am strongly considering voting "NO" on the Penguin Club next year.  I can buy a portable seat back for about $20 vs. several HUNDRED dollars. I can afford the seating, but want to register a "no" vote to being ignored.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: ytownchief22 on October 16, 2019, 05:30:24 PM
Reality is that 10-15k is the norm now.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: go guins on October 17, 2019, 09:07:43 AM
Reality is that 10-15k is the norm now.
10-15 what the norm in the past too.  I could only find 1997 attendance records for our championship years, but we averaged less than 15K in 1997 and that included Kent State which brought more fans than does South Dakota.   BTW 1997 biggest crowd was Buffalo which is also an easy away game trip for their fans.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: guinpen on October 17, 2019, 07:28:56 PM
Reality is that 10-15k is the norm now.

agree
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: Wick250 on October 18, 2019, 01:30:33 PM
From an old media guide, here are the average attendance figures for the six seasons that Tressel took the team to the national championship game:

1991   11,619
1992   11,935
1993   10,717
1994   16,181
1997   14,721
1999   16,765

We all remember a few big crowds from the 90s, but they were not the norm.  It took three consecutive appearances in the championship game to produce a huge bump in attendance.

In this age of ESPN+ HD streaming, we are actually doing okay.  Beyond a few select programs, most FCS teams struggle at the gate.  If you have ESPN streaming, you can see that for yourself on any Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: IAA Fan on October 18, 2019, 01:44:50 PM
Again good points Wick. I also think that might have been about the time that they enclosed the stadium, so much of that bump could have been from the people that used to stand around the fence.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: guinpen on October 18, 2019, 08:19:42 PM
I still recall the first game of 92, expected a full house coming off the championship, even went to the game early. Plenty of room, bummed
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: nova75 on October 19, 2019, 10:18:42 AM
There are plenty of 1aa schools that would like to have the disappointment of only drawing 10,000 fans.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: go guins on October 21, 2019, 09:43:23 AM
There are plenty of 1aa schools that would like to have the disappointment of only drawing 10,000 fans.
Good grief, look at the stands on Saturday.  SIU looked like maybe 2,000? 
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: guinpen on October 21, 2019, 08:10:43 PM
There are plenty of 1aa schools that would like to have the disappointment of only drawing 10,000 fans.
Good grief, look at the stands on Saturday.  SIU looked like maybe 2,000?

For the record my main focus was to point out that some folks felt that our low numbers were due to "weak" schools on the schedule. Reality does not prove that to be true.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: Double ET on October 21, 2019, 09:48:47 PM
There are plenty of 1aa schools that would like to have the disappointment of only drawing 10,000 fans.
Good grief, look at the stands on Saturday.  SIU looked like maybe 2,000?
And that was their homecoming.....with that kind of support, their team was all fire up. We had 15000 at our homecoming, we didn't show any intensity. We can't really blame our fans.
As I posted earlier, I will not renew my season ticket next year. I am one of a few faculty members truly support the program. Not only they put the inferior product on the field, they also stopped picking us old folks at the M1 parking deck this year. If that wasn't enough, at the homecoming game, without any notice, they wanted to charge faculty parking fee even though we have a parking pass (that has never happened before) They were told that I was going to my office before the game. They said I would be given a parking ticket. I informed them I would talk to Tressel personally if I was issued a parking ticket for going to work in my office. (For the record, we had an on campus concert a few weeks ago, email was sent out to inform us that faculty parking would be allowed only in the M1 parking deck..... For homecoming, without any notice, faculty would have to pay at any parking lots...... Way to go, charged parking for all the friends and families for coming back to campus for homecoming.
As I said, I  AM Done.....
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: YGUINSNO1 on October 26, 2019, 08:57:06 AM
Can probably count on your hands and feet ..All that are in stands today....  maybe howland band will have more in stands
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: HappyPenguin on October 26, 2019, 09:44:23 AM
College Game Day is at SDSU today. Let that sink and and reflect on how far we have fallen.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: penguinpower on October 26, 2019, 10:07:52 AM
They are showcasing the Dakota schools.  Sure that can't hurt recruiting.  We had out chance a few years ago and f***ing blew it as usual.....because we are pretenders that can't win sh**
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: Double ET on October 26, 2019, 01:38:32 PM
My season ticket will not be used today.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: YSU FAN#34 on October 26, 2019, 02:04:36 PM
Anyone here???  Wow...the body language of the team running into the field SCREAMS of “yeah, yeah...whatever!”   Good thing to know.  At least I know I don’t have to come to anymore home games this year.  The honey do list is growing
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: ytownchief22 on October 26, 2019, 04:08:56 PM
Maybe 500 people.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: guinpen on October 26, 2019, 06:18:53 PM
a couple of thousands at the start of the game not counting the loges. 182 left on the big side late in the 4th,  sad I know that
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: Kandrase on October 26, 2019, 07:15:11 PM
a couple of thousands at the start of the game not counting the loges. 182 left on the big side late in the 4th,  sad I know that

I mean it was a blowout, I'm fine with people leaving a rainy game early
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: IAA Fan on October 26, 2019, 09:27:13 PM
LOts of band parents today. They all left in the 3rd with the bands. Nice job by all 4 bands today. I am telling you, a band show would be nice.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: lakesbison on October 27, 2019, 11:27:42 PM
over 10,000 for NDSU?

i don't think NDSU will travel that well after SDSU game. maybe 1000
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: The YO Show on October 28, 2019, 07:26:17 PM
Lakes, unfortunately, if 1000 NDSU fans travel to YSU, it is not outside the realm of possibility that they will come close to the number of penguin fans there. And they will likely be louder either way.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: Penquin68 on October 28, 2019, 07:55:47 PM
It is too bad that all the optimistic YSU fans are gone from this board.  Most all are negative.  Weather it is attendance or chance in a game, they are negative.  It reminds me of the old Vindicator, they won't be happy till the city of Youngstown is gone along the Cafaro's and Jim Tressel and YSU.

As for the game this week, yes it is a long shot for us to win. BUT we have played North Dakota State tough in recent history and for a few bad calls by the refs, could have won a game or two.  I understand that the refs don't like us due to the personality of Bo, but calls are calls. Our talent may be lacking I understand, but Bo is a great defensive mind.  Things could go our way.  I for one sure hope we play a good game and I think that is possible.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: Kandrase on October 28, 2019, 08:07:09 PM
It is too bad that all the optimistic YSU fans are gone from this board.  Most all are negative.  Weather it is attendance or chance in a game, they are negative.  It reminds me of the old Vindicator, they won't be happy till the city of Youngstown is gone along the Cafaro's and Jim Tressel and YSU.

As for the game this week, yes it is a long shot for us to win. BUT we have played North Dakota State tough in recent history and for a few bad calls by the refs, could have won a game or two.  I understand that the refs don't like us due to the personality of Bo, but calls are calls. Our talent may be lacking I understand, but Bo is a great defensive mind.  Things could go our way.  I for one sure hope we play a good game and I think that is possible.

Good to hear  Penguin68, I’m still optimistic. This team has a high ceiling but they are just inconsistent, we beat SDSU for 3/4 of a game, if we play well there is no reason we can’t compete with the Bison. Based on their play against SDSU they aren’t heads a shoulders above the jacks.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: The YO Show on October 28, 2019, 08:11:15 PM
It is too bad that all the optimistic YSU fans are gone from this board.  Most all are negative.  Weather it is attendance or chance in a game, they are negative.  It reminds me of the old Vindicator, they won't be happy till the city of Youngstown is gone along the Cafaro's and Jim Tressel and YSU.

As for the game this week, yes it is a long shot for us to win. BUT we have played North Dakota State tough in recent history and for a few bad calls by the refs, could have won a game or two.  I understand that the refs don't like us due to the personality of Bo, but calls are calls. Our talent may be lacking I understand, but Bo is a great defensive mind.  Things could go our way.  I for one sure hope we play a good game and I think that is possible.

I'm going to go the game hoping we win. I'll cheer for my team, but it is hard for me to be optimistic with the roller coaster we've been on through games. Had we shown up for SIU, I would be a completely different perspective right now.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: guinpen on October 29, 2019, 08:28:03 PM
My group will be there cheering on the guins
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: IAA Fan on October 30, 2019, 03:17:04 PM
I have not missed more than one game in the past decade or 2, so I hope to beat this one as well.

That being said I have yet to see Bo's great defensive mind. Let's see ...blitz at all costs ...have some speed in the back, but no coverage or tackling skills. Just teach them to watch the eyes of your man and ignore what is going on in the play.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: Kandrase on October 30, 2019, 09:45:57 PM
I have not missed more than one game in the past decade or 2, so I hope to beat this one as well.

That being said I have yet to see Bo's great defensive mind. Let's see ...blitz at all costs ...have some speed in the back, but no coverage or tackling skills. Just teach them to watch the eyes of your man and ignore what is going on in the play.


I have to agree with you IAA, I don’t understand how with both Bo and Carl on the sideline we don’t have a more fundamentally sound. It’s bizarre.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: guinpen on November 02, 2019, 08:46:37 PM
More proof that the teams on the schedule is not the reason for our attendance being what it is. I think that part of the issue is that many folks, myself one, simply do not get excited about these far off teams.
Title: Re: Attendance reality
Post by: IAA Fan on November 04, 2019, 04:35:51 PM
I have to agree with you Guinpen. I think that this is our media's fault. Let's be honest; we have been in the Gateway/MVFC for over 20 years now. Every fan should know all of the teams in our conference and the news should be reporting their scores and such. This is not to say that some local opponents may not capture more interest, but I think that we will be discussing our disappointment next year after the Akron game, as there will not be the number of YSU fans in attendance as many people on the board are thinking. We will never drop to D2, nor will it ever be a serious discussion. We are a DI school in all sports. We are in a great football conference and good non-football conference.

I will make sure that we have all of the tailgate information well in advance and let's hope the local media does the same.