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Title: Duquesne Week
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 10, 2019, 08:12:27 AM
Duquesne is no slouch this week. They have 16 D1 transfers on the team.

Syracuse, Penn State 2x, Ohio State, Illinois 2x, Rutgers, Eastern Michigan, Duke, NC State, UCF, FAU, BG, Maryland, Boise St, Pitt.

If YSU takes them lightly, this could easily be a loss. QB play will be big in this game.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: penguinpower on September 10, 2019, 08:59:14 AM
This game should not be taken lightly. They knocked off #16 in the playoffs last year and have significant talent. They are looking for a top 25 ranking and have more votes than us.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: go guins on September 10, 2019, 09:07:48 AM
QB play is definitely important, but from a "3 aspects of the game" prospective, our kicking game was absolutely record setting terrible.  we punted for twice our rush carry average!?!?! 22 yds per punt, 11 yards per carry!   I've never heard of that!  When you add in the 2 missed PATs it was a BAD day for special teams. 
Cleaning up the penalties big issue too.  People asking what was wrong with Baker Mayfield Sunday.  Well 1st and 25 puts additional pressure on QB.  Doesn't matter much with bad efence (no D) like Howard, but sure will against better teams.  IMO, Bo has his hands full this week.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: YSU1 on September 10, 2019, 10:11:16 AM
instead of punting throw a long pass that can be intercepted.  same as a punt as long as it is more than 22 yards
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: go guins on September 10, 2019, 10:39:52 AM
instead of punting throw a long pass that can be intercepted.  same as a punt as long as it is more than 22 yards
Good plan! (what if DB drops the pass?) Truth is DeSalvo is much better tan 22 yards per kick.  Don't know the issue, but it wasn't weather!  If injury, we must have a back up that is good for more than 22 yards!  This issue is he punted 4 times and his long was 31.  Something is/was wrong.  I'm sure the shortcoming was noted by the coaching staff, and something will be done.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: penguinpower on September 10, 2019, 01:11:31 PM
Wasn't May's a punter in HS? Let him punt. What do we have to lose?
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: go guins on September 10, 2019, 02:19:41 PM
Wasn't May's a punter in HS? Let him punt. What do we have to lose?
Hopefully he'll need a starting job too.  As a senior, he deserves to lead one of the 3 phases of the game!
BTW, we do list Ryan Teminsky out of Canfield as a punter on the roster, if DeSalvo is injured.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: IAA Fan on September 10, 2019, 03:17:12 PM
Let's see what happened as DeSalvo went for 43 average the week prior. Gonya can punt if he is healthy. Also we have That kid from Canfield that can kick for 4-game if he has to.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: go guins on September 10, 2019, 03:24:15 PM
Let's see what happened as DeSalvo went for 43 average the week prior. Gonya can punt if he is healthy. Also we have That kid from Canfield that can kick for 4-game if he has to.
I agree.  It's concerning to average 43 then 22 on 4 kicks with a long of 31 in good weather.  That's 4 bad kicks in a row which seems more likely injury than a bad case of the "shanks".  Coaching staff will sort it out.  If we lose to the Dukes it won't be punting that caused it!
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 10, 2019, 07:30:36 PM
Special teams are awful.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: The YO Show on September 10, 2019, 09:05:47 PM
Thanks for making this thread chief. Eager for this week. Hoping the guins clean it up and come out with a convincing win.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: penguinpower on September 10, 2019, 10:45:15 PM
Dont be surprised by a closer than expected win. If we sleep walk it will not end well
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 11, 2019, 07:36:26 AM
Dont be surprised by a closer than expected win. If we sleep walk it will not end well

100% agreed.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: OleYSUfan on September 11, 2019, 06:20:59 PM
If we don't correct the may errors (punting, penalties & etc.) committed in the Howard game; this could be like the Butler fiasco. Duquesne will be up for this game and we must be prepared physically and mentality. We must get out in front right at the get go!

This game is predicted to be close; but if we learned from the Howard game, we should win by 3 plus touchdowns.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: penguinpower on September 11, 2019, 07:52:31 PM
One of the betting sites show Duquesne having a 48% chance to win
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Kandrase on September 11, 2019, 08:48:46 PM
One of the betting sites show Duquesne having a 48% chance to win

Massey ratings gives us an 83% chance of winning, I like that number better lol
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Wick250 on September 11, 2019, 11:04:37 PM
Based on information from the Duquesne athletic site, that team has only five starters back on each side of the ball.  Only one offensive lineman returns, and their all-time record holding receiver has graduated.  They do return a veteran quarterback and a running back who earned All-American status last season.  How anybody that plays in the NEC could become a FCS All-American is a separate topic.  What they did against Walsh last week is irrelevant. 

This is a matchup between our good defensive and offensive lines and Duquesne's inexperienced units.  Can they stand up against us for four quarters?  I doubt it.

Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Double ET on September 12, 2019, 09:34:28 AM
One of the betting sites show Duquesne having a 48% chance to win

Massey ratings gives us an 83% chance of winning, I like that number better lol

Do we know what % chance of winning that Massey gave us before the Butler game last year?
I hope Mays does not have to pass much. Otherwise, that 83% will drop in a hurry.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: HappyPenguin on September 13, 2019, 10:44:24 AM
Special teams are awful.

Yes sir. Very concerning when a coach is this far along in his tenure and they are still bad. All the players on the roster are Bo's guys, so no excuses.

These breakdowns should not be happening with such alarming regularity.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: HappyPenguin on September 13, 2019, 10:52:50 AM
One of the betting sites show Duquesne having a 48% chance to win

Massey ratings gives us an 83% chance of winning, I like that number better lol

For what the betting line is worth, ESPN app has us listed at -14.5. I believe it was -13.5 a few days ago.

I would place ZERO stock in their level of analysis as the link for more info provided ZERO additional info.

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Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: YSU1 on September 13, 2019, 01:39:28 PM
We will beat the Dukes and roll Bob Morris then pre-season is over.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Double ET on September 13, 2019, 02:53:42 PM
In the private industry, Mays is chosen as a manager rather than as a leader. His role is to manager the system without making fatal mistakes. So the team does not lose.
I hope Craycraft and Wait will be developed into leaders. The leader will posses a winning attitude, have ability to execute and do whatever necessary in order for the team to win
IMO, a manager is ok for the first four games. However, we will need a leader in order to win the remaining league games.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 14, 2019, 07:36:15 AM
Game day! Hope the Guins can take this team seriously and dominate!
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: HappyPenguin on September 14, 2019, 09:38:34 AM
Game day! Hope the Guins can take this team seriously and dominate!

I would think the guys got a lifetime's lesson about taking things seriously last year against Butler  >:(

If we can start 4-0, win half our games in the conference we are playoff bound  ;D

Don't rain on my parade with logic.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: The YO Show on September 14, 2019, 04:01:09 PM
Wait targeting is 15. Why was that 30 yards
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Kandrase on September 14, 2019, 04:04:23 PM
Wait targeting is 15. Why was that 30 yards

Targeting + a confusing sideline interference I guess
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: The YO Show on September 14, 2019, 04:18:06 PM
Another messy game. We need to not make these mistakes on special teams and limit the penalties or this will cost us against good teams
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: pen4life on September 14, 2019, 04:24:03 PM
History is full of awful leaders and managers. They also need knowledge and good judgement with a strong grasp of reality.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Kandrase on September 14, 2019, 04:41:40 PM
Cool, glad our conference opponents have that trick play on film now
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 14, 2019, 05:05:44 PM
Our punt units are so so bad.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: goodnews on September 14, 2019, 05:28:32 PM
How many more interviews is Hannon gonna ask the same question to President Tressel:  Do you think the MVFC is the best conference in our division?  I think its been validated.  The real question is how is YSU gonna compete year in and out?  We have the facilities and support.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: ytownchief22 on September 14, 2019, 08:16:56 PM
Glad to get the win but lots to clean up.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Wick250 on September 14, 2019, 09:26:30 PM
OK, more good than bad this week.  We have three weeks to seek remedies for flaws that are obvious and need not be repeated.

I wonder if the voters in that STATS poll will place us above Duquesne this week?

I wonder if Joe Simon, the Tribune sportwriter who now appears in the new Vindicator, will start to understand the distinctions between the top and bottom of the FCS hierarchy?  He predicted a close game with us winning, 28-24.

It was helpful that Duquesne could actually tackle somebody when they placed 8 men in the box.  Samford and Howard certainly could not.  That forced us to try other things today.  It was the equivalent of a good scrimmage.

Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: penguinpower on September 14, 2019, 10:23:30 PM
The pussification of football as we know it.  This is the worst targeting call I have ever seen.  This is how millennials are pussifiying football.  They needed to throw a penalty on the tackle for sucking so bad and instead that penalized the talent.  These Referees are Pieces of sh** and someone needs to report them to the league office.  Bastards.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCbOxR5Mf3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCbOxR5Mf3s)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmUsnEyUsTk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmUsnEyUsTk)
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Double ET on September 14, 2019, 10:56:23 PM
Penalty kept the Dukes in the game. The so call phantom targeting call, instead of 1st &10 for us at their 20, it wounded up 1st & 10 for them at our 35. It costed us a whooping 45 yards plus the posesion of the ball. After reviewing the YouTube replay, I could not how that call could be made.
I didn't see it in the game and I still don't see it now. How could these refs hold on to their job? These guys were so incompetent. It was even worse since the call was not made during the play. It was called when they reviewed the fumble by their qb.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Wick250 on September 14, 2019, 11:15:40 PM
power,

Good job showing that atrocity of a call to the entire world.  Did Reed lead with his helmet? No.  Did Reed hit the qb after the ball was thrown?  No, the hit CAUSED the fumble.  Did Reed cause the qb to hit the ground and possibly get a boo-boo?  Yes, that must be it.

The league office should overturn this call, but they will protect their gutless, incompetent officials.  Fortunately, Reed should not be missed in the first half against another NEC pushover.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Double ET on September 15, 2019, 06:46:02 AM
The only targeting committed for that play was done by the ref against fairness and against Reed.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: guinpen on September 15, 2019, 02:55:57 PM
not the only time in the game the ref's were clueless, that was just a good football play
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Double ET on September 15, 2019, 08:22:44 PM
Hey ref, because of you guys, there was no "Justus" for this game.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: Penquin68 on September 16, 2019, 03:33:06 PM
On another issue it seems that teams are trying to get tall wide receivers on our shorter dbs, especially number 2 and 7.  Many pass interference penalties when they make contact with the receivers.  Not sure what we can do in the future about this, but it seems like it will be an issue all season.

Punting is also an issue.  Watched 43 punting in warm-ups and he can really boom the ball.  In the game with a rush and at times less than ideal snaps, he has had trouble. I think this will improve.

QB play better than I expected.  Hope it holds together.

D and O lines are fine.  RB is fine. Receivers fine. Tight ends really good. Line backers fine.  Safeties fine. Corners may be an issue.

My uneducated opinions.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: ysubigred on September 16, 2019, 03:53:23 PM
On another issue it seems that teams are trying to get tall wide receivers on our shorter dbs, especially number 2 and 7.  Many pass interference penalties when they make contact with the receivers.  Not sure what we can do in the future about this, but it seems like it will be an issue all season.

Punting is also an issue.  Watched 43 punting in warm-ups and he can really boom the ball.  In the game with a rush and at times less than ideal snaps, he has had trouble. I think this will improve.

QB play better than I expected.  Hope it holds together.

D and O lines are fine.  RB is fine. Receivers fine. Tight ends really good. Line backers fine.  Safeties fine. Corners may be an issue.

My uneducated opinions.

You did a fine job on evaluations there 68. My biggest concern is the penalties. I mentioned when the heat is turned up in conference play and not the stiffs we faced so far how are they going to react?  I'm hoping it's a bit of a bully syndrome and some playing down to the competition causing the mental lapse. The ref's are really watching the Guins because of this stuff so it seem like they will be called for anything. my two cent on that.

Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: IAA Fan on September 16, 2019, 05:29:35 PM
Some good opinions there 68. I also noted that Duquesne played opposite side to #55 after the first couple of series...that guy can play.
Title: Re: Duquesne Week
Post by: HappyPenguin on September 17, 2019, 10:59:10 AM
Our corners are going to get their fair share of PI penalties.

That's just how we play, tight man coverage, with a lot of contact. Them being short doesn't help, its very tempting for a QB to throw it up and see what happens.

They are killing themselves by not getting their heads around and looking for the ball. I know that face guarding isn't a penalty in NCAA, but the look of a DB with his hands all over a guy is a LOT different if he is looking to play off the receiver and go for the ball or if he is impeding the receiver and has his back to the play.

As long as these guys play like they are following the receivers around and grabbing, the flags will come.

If I'm RMU I throw deep at least 15 times against those guys. Half fly pattern half back shoulder\comeback throws. The way things are going now you'll probably get 10 or more completions and penalties on those 15 throws.

Think back to the season opener. The Samford coach was livid after the picks, because our guys made contact. And they did, no question they had hands around the waist and were hand fighting with the receivers. But they were also looking back at the QB and making a play for the ball, so no call.

I think the success of our D is really that simple. If the CB can hang 1-1 without getting PI calls we can beat most anyone.